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[∆(s) from OP]CMV:The Lymphatic system is a hoax. It does not exist. (self.changemyview)

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Lymph fluid, according to Wikipedia, looks like this.

So where are the videos of people leaking this white liquid after being shot or injured?

Why is there no sign of this white fluid on any of the pictures of corpses that fill the internet?

There are videos of what they describe as 'lymph nodes', here is one of an operation being performed.

But the white fluid doesn't seem to exist in our body.

This video shows a swollen region being drained, but this is simply pus, not lymph.

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[–]ACrusaderA39∆ 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I don't think you know what lymph is.

Lymph isn't some secondary clear liquid with it's own circulatory system to travel around.

Lymph is the term used for the plasma and white blood cell mixture that diffused from the blood around lymph nodes and infected regions.

It then joins the bloodstream.

The reason you don't see the body leaking lymph is the same reason it doesn't leak serum, both are just names given to the particular solutions that at times separate from blood but are ultimately part of it in the circulatory system.

Pus is a combination of dead white cells, dead tissue, bacteria, and serum and/or lymph depending on location.

Lymph and serum are pretty much the same thing except lymph contains white blood cells and clotting factors while serum does not.

Whole Blood = Plasma + RBC + WBC + Clotting Factors

Serum = Plasma - Clotting Factors

Lymph = Serum + WBC

Plasma = Serum + CF + Proteins

[–]factsnotfeelings[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

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Ok, so the lymph doesn't actually flow around the body in the way blood does. It is simply drained at different nodes?

[–]Glory2Hypnotoad98∆ 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It seems to me that there's a bigger, even more troubling view at the core of this one that ought to be addressed. Without even fully understanding what lymph is or how it travels through the body, you were ready to declare the entire lymphatic system a hoax, implicating countless people in a huge sinister conspiracy.

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[–]ACrusaderA39∆ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Precisely.

When you burn yourself and get a blister, and early on it leaks a white-ish fluid? That is lymph.

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[–]ACrusaderA39∆ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to edit it to explain what I said that changed your view.

[–]-AragornElessar- 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (32子コメント)

So, you really believe that every member of the medical profession is part of a secret conspiracy to pretend that an entire organ system exists? Some questions.

Why would they do this? What is the motive?

How would they do this? There is no way a conspiracy of this scale could exist without someone exposing it.

Believing that the lymph system is a hoax is on the same level as believing the earth is flat.

[–]factsnotfeelings[S] -9 ポイント-8 ポイント  (31子コメント)

Why would they do this?

To prop up their lies about the non-existent disease 'cancer'.

How would they do this?

Well they don't have to censor anything. They just have to make sure that nobody asks awkward questions.

[–]-AragornElessar- 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (7子コメント)

But there is no way that a conspiracy this large could exist without someone exposing it. No medical professional has ever come out against this.

You believe cancer doesn't exist? Then tell me, what did the person I know who died of cancer actually die of? If you say it isn't cancer, then you must have an alternative explanation.

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    [–]factsnotfeelings[S] -7 ポイント-6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    they died of the chemotherapy

    [–]-AragornElessar- 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    No, they didn't. They didn't receive chemotherapy.

    [–]factsnotfeelings[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    ok, did they receive any other form of treatment?

    [–]-AragornElessar- 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    No. By the time they were diagnosed, the cancer had spread to far and had a 100% fatality rate. They were given pain meds to help make them comfortable, but no actual treatment.

    [–]scharfes_S2∆ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (17子コメント)

    How come doctors die of cancer?

    [–]factsnotfeelings[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    well doctors aren't usually 'in on it' so to speak. They are even more brainwashed than the general public

    [–]scharfes_S2∆ 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (15子コメント)

    Then who is in on it?

    [–]factsnotfeelings[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (14子コメント)

    the lab technicians who produce the fake pictures of 'cancer cells'

    [–]scharfes_S2∆ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (13子コメント)

    What do they gain from it, and why can they die of cancer, as well?

    [–]factsnotfeelings[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    cancer is just euthanasia, you go to the doctor, they diagnose you and show you the relevant cartoons.

    They give you chemotherapy and you die. The process is very profitable, but the aim is not to make money, but to humiliate and slaughter the general public.

    [–]scharfes_S2∆ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Why does no one who goes to become a doctor or medical technician speak out about this except in ways that match how conspiracy theorists talk?

    And what do they gain from humiliating and slaughtering the general public?

    [–]factsnotfeelings[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    I'm not sure what you mean exactly. Are you asking why nobody ever exposes the scam?

    [–]DayMorrow 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Why do a lot of people survive chemotherapy, then?

    [–]Spot_the_Ball2∆ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My friends and family who had cancer never received chemotherapy, what did they die from?

    [–]BecauseImNightwing [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    After watching my grandmother die from cancer (she didn't do chemo, there was no point), seeing you talk this way about the doctors who did everything in their power to help ease her suffering kinda makes me hope you get cancer.

    [–]Clockworkfrog2∆ 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    To prop up their lies about the non-existent disease 'cancer'.

    You need to start a new CMV for this line.

    [–]the_magic_gardener 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Cancer is definitely a real disease, it is a biological inevitability due to selection. If you can agree that we have DNA that codes for things in our cells, and that it can mutate, and that the fittest cells will reproduce more than less fit cells, then you believe cancer is a real disease.

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      [–]SocialJusticeWizard_ [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I'm a doctor. I have literally physically removed cancers from people both living and dead, and even occasionally looked at them under a microscope with my own eyes. How do you feel this is a hoax? Your hoax would have to span every human culture and extend back centuries. It's possibly the most unsupportable hoax idea I've ever heard.

      [–]RemoteCompass2∆ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      So where are the videos of people leaking this white liquid after being shot or injured?

      If you've been shot, then you typically have a bunch of red, high pressure blood gushing out of your wound. You're unlikely to really notice a small amount of white fluid slowly draining out.

      The lymphatic system is similar to the capillary system in a plant. Go up to a tree and look at the veins in the leaf. Those veins are certainly there to help transport fluid. But just like the lymphatic system they have no pump (like a heart) connected to them, so the fluid is typically under very lower pressure. Take some scissors and cut a leaf in half and look at where the veins were cut. Do you see a lot of fluid leaking out? Probably not. It's the same with with lymph vessels.

      The only time you notice fluid leaking out of leaves is when they are under a lot of pressure, during which guttation occurs (note, these are not dew drops). Similarly, if there's high enough pressure in the lymph vessels then they can leak too.

      [–]factsnotfeelings[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Right. We see blood when a vein/artery is cut, because it is pumped by the heart. But the lymph isn't being pumped.

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      [–]Ardonpitt72∆ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (13子コメント)

      To quote wikipedia "Lymph has a composition comparable to that of blood plasma, but it may differ slightly. Lymph contains white blood cells. In particular, the lymph that leaves a lymph node is richer in lymphocytes. Likewise, the lymph formed in the human digestive system called chyle is rich in triglycerides (fat), and looks milky white because of its lipid content."

      In other words its only white when its in its pure form the moment it would mix with say blood it would no longer be white. The lymph fluid that is seen in that image was gotten from a surgery specifically drained directly from the thoracic duct, most likely by thoracic duct embolization where the fluid is drained directly from the duct without contact with blood.

      [–]factsnotfeelings[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

      Well even chyle is still milky white. My point is that we should by now have seen a video where a person in an accident has had one of their lymph nodes/vessels burst.

      anyway thanks for your response

      [–]Ardonpitt72∆ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      You mean like THIS image of a chyle leak?

      [–]factsnotfeelings[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      well, it wouldn't be difficult to fake that picture. Just take some milk and some meat from the local butchers. Considering the lies that the medical establishment are willing to tell, such as the idea that babies feel no pain, it wouldn't surprise me.

      [–]-AragornElessar- 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      So, you say that we need visual evidence, and when someone gives you that evidence, it suddenly isn't good enough?

      What kind of evidence would you like then? What kind of evidence will change your view?

      [–]factsnotfeelings[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      well any picture of an injured person leaking this white fluid named 'lymph'.

      The elite are well versed in using CGI to deceive people, modern medicine is no different.

      [–]-AragornElessar- 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      So, how is a picture good enough if you believe that pictures can be faked?

      [–]factsnotfeelings[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Ok, ultimately that picture appears to be real. ∆

      [–]Ardonpitt72∆ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      well, it wouldn't be difficult to fake that picture. Just take some milk and some meat from the local butchers.

      Here is a video of a surgery. You can litterally find tons of these online.

      Considering the lies that the medical establishment are willing to tell, such as the idea that babies feel no pain, it wouldn't surprise me.

      You know that was a fairly fringe theory dating back to the 1600s that was thoroughly disproven BY the medical community right? The question from the early mid 1800s on was if they could remember the pain or not. No offence but your edging into conspiracy theory over facts.

      [–]RecessioEVE 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Part of asking to change your view is being open to new ideas, you can't just handwave contradictory evidence as fake.

      [–]factsnotfeelings[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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      [–]-AragornElessar- 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      where a person in an accident has had one of their lymph nodes/vessels burst.

      This does happen. However, the lymph fluid that leaks out is far less than the amount of blood, so it easily gets diluted when mixed with blood and other fluids.

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        [–]factsnotfeelings[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (10子コメント)

        They died from chemotherapy.

        Chemotherapy is toxic, just as the label shows

        [–]-AragornElessar- 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        That doesn't mean anything. All medications are toxic to a degree. You can die by taking too much of anything.

        [–]factsnotfeelings[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        medication shouldn't cause burns, or need biohazard suits to clean up

        [–]StaplerTwelve4∆ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Chemo kills everything, but fast-replicating cancer cells are more effected then healthy cells. Untreated cancers will kill a person by organ failure, if two thirds of your liver is taken over by a tumor you're going to be lacking a lot of functions that keep the body alive.

        [–]Ardonpitt72∆ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Toxins have been used in medications for centuries. That's exactly what antibiotics are as well. They are simply toxic to another type of life more than to humans.

        [–]-AragornElessar- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        The whole point of chemotherapy is to kill cancer cells. That's why it has to be so toxic. It's designed to eradicate them completely.

        [–]pensivegargoyle8∆ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's supposed to be. The idea is that it kills the rapidly dividing cells in the body including the cancer before it manages to kill the patient. It's not ideal, but it works a lot better than nothing.

        [–]20200005∆ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Not all of them take chemotherapy

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          [–]factsnotfeelings[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Well, lymphoma has to be diagnosed by a specialist, so relevant doctor would then recommend treatment.

          [–]SC80341∆ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          In school I had a classmate that had lymphorrhea, which is the leaking of lymph fluid. It's wasn't milky white like that but more clear with a yellowish hue. Lymph fluid definitely exists in the human body

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