Not even so much that they took ages to load but moreso that ki attacks were always a big deal

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yeah and ki blasts were usually too fast to simply dodge them

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And when all are distinctively different too. Now everything is just the same with different names.

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Are you telling me that the Galick Gun, Final Flash, Spirit Bomb, Kappa, Supernova, Makankosappo and every other ki-technique from Z are exactly the same?

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+Bambadde Roc Pretty much, they all blew up on contact, can be charged, and can be deflected with a wave of hand if strong enough.

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cartoonjerk dbs has hits time- skip and black uses a ki- blade so its not every time the same.

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+kostas stampoulis Haven't watched DBS so couldn't argue with you, mainly focusing on DBZ right now. Also I'm not talking about martial arts attacks here but just ki blasts alone.

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Seriously though instead of having fancy sounding moves like Final Flash, Galick Gun, Recoome Eraser gun, Kamehameha, and Makankosappo that does the same thing let's simply call them Big Ass Ki Blasts, Small Ass Ki Blasts, Medium Sized Blasts, or Maximum Charged Blasts. At least now I know how big they are just from the name.

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+cartoonjerk Well. A Ki Blast is supposed to be that: A blast made up by ki that vapourizes things. What did you expect? They have differences in performance and effects. The makankosappo works like an arrow that goes through things, the supernova is a Giant fire Ball, the kamehameha is a blast that can be customized and powered up, the Kienzan is a Ki blast that can cut things... Is like if I told you that every single martial art attack is the same because it uses punches and kicks...

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+Bambadde Roc Not entirely true, it's obvious that you can narrow a Final Flash so it attacks just like a Makankosappo. Yes there are blasts of different shapes but that's about it, you can deflect them by a wave of hand or counter with a stronger blast. In the case of martial arts there are different types of punches and kicks but they all aim at different parts of the human body. That's not the case with ki blasts, no ki blast is specifically designed to attack a specific part of the body nor is a specific type of blast superior or inferior to another type, making their differences neglectable at best.

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+cartoonjerk The important thing in DBZ isn't fighting with Ki Blasts. The important thing is fighting using both martial arts and Ki blast. You can't fire a ki blast whenever you want. A kamehameha is more useful when you send flying off an opponent, a garlick gun is more useful when you are in close combat or when you punch an opponent in the gut (See Vegeta vs Zarbon's true form or Trunks FSSB vs Black And Zamasu) a Final Flash is a one-shot attack that requires lots of charging and energy, the kienzan needs lots of control in order to make it useful, the makankosappo requires calculating and charging (See Raditz death and Piccolo vs Frost) The death beam is a very fast shot that can be fired multiple times in a row etc etc. The power of the blast it's different depending on the power level, boosts (Zenkai, Kaioken) and skill...So yeah, they are different.

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+Bambadde Roc You are making a lot of assumptions here, there's never a case where Kamehameha is better at some situation than a Garlick Gun. Vegeta never uses Galick gun against Zarbon btw, he only shot it once at Goku and then switched to Final Flash for no apparent reason. No where does it state Final Flash requires more charging time than a Garlick gun either. As for Death beam a Kamehameha can be fired in rapid succession too (watch when Goku trains in space ship before arriving on Namek). Also all attacks require charging and calculating so you can't argue Makankosappo is different just cause you need to charge and aim. Point is all ki blasts can be charged, widen or narrow, and aim at different parts of the body thus they are all the same just with different name. Kienzan is a special case that cuts people in half but aside from this special move all other blasts share the same property and all can be adjusted accordingly.

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+cartoonjerk I can tell that the Garlick Gun is useful in close combat because you can fire it with a fist. Vegeta used the Garlick Gun this way to Kill Zarbon. The death beam is useful to finish off opponents and don't waste energy at the same time (Like when Frieza killed Vegeta) . It's a very fast paced missile that can go through bodies. You can fire houndreds of them in seconds and you don't waste too much energy unlike the kamehameha. But if you don't like guesses then we can organize Ki Blasts in different types. Ki blasts are different depending on WHAT they do. -There are destructive blasts that vapourizes people or destroy things like the Kamehameha, Garlick Gun, Kappa/Mouth Blast or the final flash. They can be powered up depending in how powerful and skilled the character. -There are Ki techniques that serves as a weapon like Zamasu's Ki sword or Black's Ki Scythe. -There are Ki techniques that serves as a power up like the Kaioken. -There are Ki techniques that transform other people like the Candy Beam. -There are fast and small ki blasts that can go through bodies. They don't waste ki at all and can be fired multiple times in a row like the Death Beam or the Eye Beam. -There are HUGE Ki balls that are used to blow up planets like the Supernova or the Death Ball. -There are Ki Techniques that serves as divine punishments like the "Hakai" Technique from Beerus. -There are Ki techniques that can cut bodies like the Kienzan -There are Ki techniques that can disable some people habilities like the Solar Flare. -There are Ki techniques which are very powerful but drain your life like the Final explosion or the Tri-Beam. -You can also transfer energy to another person using Ki As you can see, you can use different types of Ki techniques. Not everything has to be martial arts. So why Vegeta use the Galick Gun if it's the same as the Kamehameha? Because it's a signature move so you can associate Vegeta with the Garlick Gun, Gohan with the Masenko, Goku with the Kamehameha, Trunks with the burning attack etc. It would be boring if EVERY character fired the same Ki Blast without any kind of variations.

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+Bambadde Roc Completely not true, that's just a regular blast not Galick gun. Just cause Vegeta preformed it doesn't mean it's Galick gun. Also we are only talking about blasts here not ki techniques in general. You started this debate asking me if I think all the blasts are the same which I told you yes they are so stick with blasts here and don't try to divert the topic here. As for your last statement just cause different people use it doesn't make them fundamentally different.

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+cartoonjerk Then it's just as I said earlier. Those Ki blasts are signature moves so not every character would fire the same thing over and over. That's all.

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+Bambadde Roc Signature moves that work, charge and function the same are the same move just with different names. Galick Gun, Kamehameha, Final Flash, Big Bang Attack, Death Ball..etc are the same and work the same just with different names. I've been trying to tell you during all these conversation and yet you insisted these blasts work differently.

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+Bambadde Roc I know this argument is pretty much finished, just want to say good job for not cursing even one single time during all of these. I'm glad this conversation didn't turn into a curse match.

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+cartoonjerk That's because I thought that you were talking about Ki techniques in general. Those are the differences that I had thought of based on what I saw in the anime. Sorry if I misunderstood you. Im spanish and it's pretty hard to comunicate the way I want in English. But how can you expect a difference between how Ki blasts work (besides how they are fired) if they are there to do the same thing? Ki blasts are made to vapourize opponents and to cause big ass explosions and not to hit somebody in some specific part of his body. What you are describing are Martial arts. ki BLASTS aren't there to do that. There are Ki techniques which needs to be fired in some specific parts though, like the Solar Flare in the eyes. But we are talking about blasts and not techniques. Am I wrong? In terms of power. You can guess which blast is stronger based in various things such as: -Character transformation -Character's skill with the technique -Destructive power (That's why I thought that the Final Flash was stronger than the Galick Gun. If the Final Flash was weaker than the Galick Gun. Then Vegeta wouldn't fired it to destroy Perfect Cell) -Power Up during the attack (That's why Goku's Kamehameha was stronger than Vegeta's Garlick Gun or why Gohan's kamehameha was stronger than Cell's) -The time the blast is charged up. -If it's a suicide technique then you can expect a powerful attack like the Saibamen bomb, Vegeta's final explosion and Tien's full charged Kikoho. Again I'm sorry if I don't quite understand you or if I express myself the way I shouldn't. I'm doing my best to not sound stupid.

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I'm glad about this conversation too. I never faced a person who thought that way about the Ki Blasts. So it's a new experience to think about. Also, with no bad words. I was pretty tired to hear bad words from persons who thinks that Yamcha > Krillin or persons who thinks that Super is shitty because he doesn't like it. I tried to argue with that people but they didnt make arguments. They just threw shit at me without thinking about anything. Just swearing and it was pretty annoying. I just try to learn things by arguing with people. And to make them learn a few things too.

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+Bambadde Roc You make perfect sense, I didn't think you weren't a native English speaker even once. My point is yes ki blasts are there to look cool but the author could have gave them more variations other than just name differences. DBZ is good for what it was when it came out in the late 1980s/early 1990s where attacks and techniques in anime weren't all that different but compare to anime these days where there are many different elemental attacks and such it's lacking in variation. The biggest problem DBZ has is all characters can perform all ki techniques and no one specializes in any area thus the only difference is their power level. All in all good discussion, I'm just confused why you are so insistant that the different ki blasts are different that's all.

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+cartoonjerk That's because I thought that Ki Blasts were ALL of the attacks that required Ki. Like, for example,I thought that the Kaioken was a Ki Blast because it required Ki or that the Kienzan was a Ki Blast. But they were different kind of techniques. You were talking about,obviously, the Blasts (Kamehameha, Galick Gun...) and that they don't have any kind of variations. But I don't know... I find cool that there are variations of the kamehameha like the "super kamehameha" "feet kamehameha" "Kaioken kamehameha" "Father-Son Kamehameha" "Kamehameha with the shunkaido" etc. Or a Big Kienzan that divides in lots of small ones. Those are small changes but I think they're entertaining to see. and I still have fun guessing the power of some blasts. Asking questions like "I wonder if Goku could Kill Frieza with a Kamehameha while doing a Kaioken x20" "I wonder if Trunks could hurt Black Goku with a powered Galick Gun" "I wonder If Goku could beat Hit with a Kamehameha powered up with Kaioken x10 and Super Saiyan Blue" and so on.

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Lmfao 😂😂😂 Dudee hahahahaha

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That's Not Me what is funny about that?

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Tek Ski Vai todo mundo tomar no cu

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Not even so much that they took ages to load but moreso that ki attacks were always a big deal

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yeah and ki blasts were usually too fast to simply dodge them

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Korounet that's penetrate, actually.

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Killing him doing so, what's your point?

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Just sums up Yamucha in the whole series...

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+PixelCrafterZ no wonder Bulma leaves him.

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Pretty much sums up Vegeta in Dragon Ball Super

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+Skyrogue19 she actually left him cause he "was too promiscuous" stated by Trunks. Yamcha was a Lady killer. Vegeta is a simp who got his sloppy seconds .

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+JustM.E. lmao

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+Bryant Cowent no, that's Gohan

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Think it sums up all the earth born fighters. They just get blown out of the water by aliens lol.

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+Danblukk Except for Tien. He did tell Cell to kikof*ck himself

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to be fair, he really didnt even scratch cell at the cost of his own life force, he only kinda contained him

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Sure but given the power difference between the two it's still worth noting. The Kikoho may be the strongest attack after the self-destructing ones. (Like Imperfect Cell's or Majin Vegeta's)

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It's really a shame Tenshinhan and Krillin don't get more credit. As you said. The Kikoho is probably the most powerful attack in the series, alongside the Kienzan (Kienzan cuts through anything, so anyone who can't regenerate is f*cked by it, and the Kikoho is so absurdly powerful that even a half-assed one allowed Tenshinhan-- a guy probably weaker than Freeza, to pin down Semi-Perfect Cell). Why did Goku never learn the Kikoho? At this point he'd obliterate pretty much anyone with it, even if he half-assed it like Tenshinhan.

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Tenshinhan didn't half ass his Kikoho against Cell. That was an improved version called Shin-Kikoho. It had greater power than a normal one, and he still fired it off enough to kill himself. I agree though that if Goku learned the Kikoho, he would be nigh unstoppable. Only issue is that he already is nigh unstoppable even without the Kamehameha.

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I actually think Goku's Dragon Fist is th most powerful attack of the series. Everytime I've seen him use it, it's one hit insta kill. Theres also lots of attacks you could of said why didnt Goku learn it, like the Special Beam Cannon, Final Flash, Destructo Disc, even Yamcha's spirit ball. Could you imagine that in Goku's hands full force. All are capable of taking out foes way out of the Z fighters league.

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+Danblukk Dragon Fist is a filler only move though.

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+KatakiDoragon Didnt he use it to kill King Picollo.

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Danblukk no. He just punched right through him.

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It looked more like a Great Ape Punch than anything :p But it's just a punch basically. It uses all the current strength of the user while Kikoho is one of those attacks that give more power to its user but with huge sacrifice.

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+Danblukk As the other two guys have stated, he did not. He used a feet Kamehameha to blast him through King Piccolo with a punch. Was not the Dragon Fist.

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The feet Kamehameha was against current Piccolo but the move Goku uses to kill Piccolo's father is sometimes referred to as Dragon Fist (in videogames) but that's the only time it happens in non filler moments.

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Korounet that's penetrate, actually.

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Killing him doing so, what's your point?

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I agree. At the very end, Kami had to stop messing around and fight seriously. Yamcha didn't last after that, but it's still quite a feat considering his opponent's strength.

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Funny how everyone agrees with you when you say that, but when I mention it in another comment chain in a recent Immortal video, I get so much back talk.

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Yes and no. He is clearly not weak. However Yamcha never could really catch up to the rest of the fighters. There was only one battle, where his opponent didn't complete own him and that was against Tien in the tournament befor this one. As comparison: Krillin ctually put up a relativ good fight against Piccolo.

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+shadowhunter0815 For me this fight and fight between Krillin and Piccolo are exactly the same, clear stomp, Yamcha hit Kami once with his Ki and Krillin hit PIccolo one or 2 times. If it comes to this tournament Yamcha is 5th or 6th if i comes to power, we would have to see the fight between Yamcha and Krillin to judge. And Piccolo also underestimated Krillin and he got caught by suprise.

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+Cieciowski Well Piccolo did took Krillin serious, at a point and actually thought he had killied him by accident ad Krillin got up again (even though i gave up at that point) Again: I don't think Yamcha is weak, he just can catch up to the rest. Or rather, he is not the type of fighter. Yamcha has still a lot of a bandit in him. Overcome his oponents with quick surpriseattacks, which however results in a clear lack of defense. Krillin just seems more rounded at this point.

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+shadowhunter0815 Don't spare yamcha .. his fucking weak and in every fight he gets owned

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Weaker than a saber man says what?

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+Gaming Sickness He wasn't weaker, he died because his cockyness let his guard off.

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and krillin doesnt, Who was getting his ass literrally handed to him by the Cell Jr's ? Yamcha actually put up a fight and landed some decent blows. Krillin just got stomped the fuck out.

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+JustM.E. Yeah cause guess who has to help the weakling out Tien....

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+Cieciowski Lol caught off guard I thought he was trained to be useful not useless

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Compared to current day goku and the z fighters he is very weak

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+Gaming Sickness Nigga you can say the same about Goku. Remember when Majin Vegeta knocked him the fuck out? Or when he got a hole blasted in him by Piccolo? Or the most bullshit out of all of them: when he got his heart pierced by a fucking laser. And yet Goku is still the strongest Z-Fighter. It just goes to show you that even when you're stronger than your opponent, they can still kill you (Yamcha vs. Saibaman is the best example).

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+sonikku956 yep they were stronger but they let their guard down so they got taken out

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+R 3000 Yep. Yamcha stupidly let his guard down after beating the Saibaman, only for it to blow up (lol puns) in his face. Poor guy. He could have at least been killed by Nappa.

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None of the fighters stood a chance against the Cell Juniors. Yamcha and Tenshinhan actually hitting any of them was filler. Cell explicitly states in the manga, that Vegeta and Trunks were the only ones able to put up a fight against them.

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+KatakiDoragon yea u are right and goku was already tired from the previous fight with cell thats y he only says vegeta and trunks

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R 3000 Even tired, i don't think Goku could lose to Cell Jr. Cell just could have miscalculated his hyphotesis

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+rogerio mortoni No, Goku was losing to the Cell Jr. Goku wasn't just "tired" he had burnt almost all of his Ki in his fight with Cell. The Cell Jr. was teeing off on Goku with ease.

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if you read most of the power level databases, you can know for sure that Yamcha is the weakest it goes: Goku>Piccolo>Tenshin>Kuririn>Yamcha>Chiaotzu but again... Chiaotzu has mind powers and he didn't stopped training in the cell saga like Yamcha... so....

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I agree. At the very end, Kami had to stop messing around and fight seriously. Yamcha didn't last after that, but it's still quite a feat considering his opponent's strength.

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Funny how everyone agrees with you when you say that, but when I mention it in another comment chain in a recent Immortal video, I get so much back talk.

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You must be a real fighting master.

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Tigo2g exactly

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Oolon did it after the first oozaru transformation of Goku and Yamcha was here at this time.

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The question came up at the beginning of dragon ball whether Goku was an alien , actually. That said, in a word where Pterodactyl's talking and entering tournaments and The king of the Earth being a Dog is no big deal, I hardly see it as that unbelievable. xD

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tomimn2233 But they arent off model here. For the most part, this show kept it consistent

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Joseph Franc Yeah even during the fighting here the character art looks pretty good and consistent. In Super the characters constantly have derpy faces except in close ups.

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Fuck you then

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Alex Bigman I would say he got it from Team four Star so how is that original?

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Vladimir Putin like they say this day.... Battle power is bullshit. Even if Yamcha is Far more powerful than Master Roshi on DB Super.... Well i wish Master Roshi make a good show on this tournament, but my heart is with Yamcha loll

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+sonikku956 That´s most likely just a translation error. Earthling and human share words in japanese, and Tien is also confirmed not to be human, but from race called cyclops. Toriyama most likely wanted to say the strongest human, leaving Tien outside of the competition. That is way more logical because he didnt say that Krillin was the strongest like it was a big deal, he just mention it. (That´s still wrong anyway, because Uub exists) Also, Tien trained from the entirity of DBZ and Krillin just now in DBS started to train again. And every time Krillin and Tien were compared in strenght, Tien was way superior. (When Bulma get the scouter, and when Nappa scout the Z fighters) I find hard to believe that Krillin has better fisical qualities than Tien, tien can multiplies his arms, is way taller, which means more range, and has a way more physical fighting style. Krillin relies more on his speed and ki attacks. Also, needless to say, Tien has way better feats than Krillin. Tien fucking rocks.

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+JustM.E. Bumla is is mad old 

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+JustM.E. Why exactly do you have so much praise and adoration for Yamcha?

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It would have been cool to see him use it against Freeza's men but nope.

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shirosaki97 it's good in xenoverse 1 and 2

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anthony ward First, you dont know that for certain with Dragon Ball. With Z, yeah they did, but i dont think they did with DB. Second, if you look at the issues between Z and Super, its obvious Super has far more issues with its animation. Even with the Blu Ray re-release, the show still looks like crap, even with the animation edits. Third. even if the other shows were still re animated, why the hell should we expect a lower quality 20 years later? Shouldnt we be progressing in animation instead of regressing? This is 2017. Theirs no excuse for this shit

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Joseph Franc you dont know what problems they might have ;-;

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more the vessel lol

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He's ridiculously stronger than Videl. Like she's absolutely nothing power wise compared to him.

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MysticPowerZ I quit reading it after you wrote "you're" wrong

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