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[–]Jacques_Ellul[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (6子コメント)

Reports:

1: Is a comic strip a poster? 1: Not a poster

Just a reminder that we allow any medium of propaganda. From the sidebar:

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[–]GentlemenBehold 940 ポイント941 ポイント  (22子コメント)

What if Santa Claus isn't real and we spend Christmas enjoying our family and friend's company based on a lie?

[–]Slap-Happy27 162 ポイント163 ポイント  (15子コメント)

What if the Easter Bunny never really died on the cross for our sins and we just hunt for bunnies every year for nothing?

[–]madmaxturbator 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (11子コメント)

You sick fuck, don't eat the god damn easter bunnies. Just consume their bunny eggs.

[–]motnorote 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Yes, eat the young.

[–]Hy3jii 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Their delicious, chocolaty young.

[–]littlecolt 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I like the creme-filled ones~

[–]ChristianKS94 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was gonna make a joke about Catholic bunny priests, but I think that would be too fucked up even for reddit.

[–]PsionicDiamond 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you new around these parts? :P

[–]tara_dacktail 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, eat the young.

This guy food-chains

[–]solids2k3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The Easter platypus is on his way!

[–]adamst2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bunnies don't lay eggs. Tried to pull a fast one on us!

[–]LearnToMaga 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You take that back, we don't hunt bunnies, we look for the chocolate eggs they leave in their nests.

[–]starkillerrx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You heathen. Easter is the day we remember the one who sacrificed himself for our sins: Pope Snowball

[–]Spider__Jerusalem 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Easter has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. It was a pagan Saxon holiday re-purposed by the early Church that celebrated the goddess of spring Eostre, the worship of which emerged much earlier from several other ancient religions who all worshiped a similar, if not the same, goddess of the dawn who symbolized renewal and rebirth, probably one of the most famous of which being Ishtar (in Akkadian and Babylonian), Inanna (in Sumerian), Astarte/Ashtoreth/Aphrodite (in Greek), Isis, or as it was pronounced, "Es-eer" (in Egypt) and Libertas/Venus in Rome.

[–]Aquilon97 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The US government is literally the grinch. My God.

[–]PsionicDiamond 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's why NORAD tries to shoot Santa out of the sky every year. But the wily bastard's too quick for 'em... so far.

[–]yalpelgoog 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The argument (not mine, pause your downvotes) is that maybe the family has some other spending priorities they should focus on before blowing a bunch of cash on Christmas presents.

[–]Chuckabilly 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure, but ignoring the metaphor for a second, if you put anything above clean air and drinking water, 99% of the time that makes you a crazy person.

[–]Thejewell25 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So dumb. More government more regulation more fraud and corruption through green energy government tied corporations does not equal a better world. I'm sure al we'll be enjoying his profit potential with the next film coming out.

[–]TossMeAwayToTheMount 338 ポイント339 ポイント  (118子コメント)

Even if "climate change doesn't exist" (not my actual belief), what logic is there for using an energy that is quickly running at to the end of its finite lifetime? Solar is plenty more bountiful and wind constantly refreshes. Any method of energy that requires drilling is trash tier anyway. Plus things like solar are easier to install in suburban areas and even urban areas and produce little noise.

[–]oldgreg88 165 ポイント166 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Stored energy per unit mass. Petroleum derivatives are extremely light and compact for how much energy they can produce. Tesla is making progress on batteries but until renewable energy storage can compete on an energy per weight basis, petroleum is going to be more desirable for many applications regardless of cost.

[–]Thencan 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Absolutely. The future of renewables depends on the advancement of battery technology.

[–]RustDragon 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Hey now, safe portable light weight non-weaponizable fusion reactors would save the future too! A fusion reactor in every vehicle!

(Or really just any energy positive fusion reactors, then we can synthesize hydrocarbons from hydrocarbons from CO2/water and keep on burning them)

[–]flying87 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ah fusion. We've been 5 years away from a breakthrough in fusion for the last 50 years.

[–]xevus11 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

We're actually building one in france right now, check out ITER. They say they want to start producing energy by 2030, but it will be doing tests starting around 2025 (cant remember exactly). If the tests go well, the production versions will be considerably cheaper and be built faster.

[–]flying87 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I wish them the best of luck. But fusion is one of those things where i wont believe it until its powering my lights.

[–]xevus11 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thats probably for the best, considering.

[–]DMPDrugs 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The sun is a good enough fusion reactor as it is, imo.

[–]Castun 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A portable star in every vehicle then!

[–]Whisper 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

safe portable light weight non-weaponizable fusion reactors would save the future too!

So would magic unicorn dust, but then, I think that's your point.

[–]FrankTank3 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nah, he's talking about the Fallout video game universe.

[–]RoaminRonin13 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And in modernizing the electrical grid. Right now it isn't designed for every house to be both a producer and consumer of electricity - or to share power across entire regions.

We need a 21st century grid to go with our 21st century batteries.

[–]MrFlagg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

right. how are those eestor super mega ultra capacitors coming along?

[–]thr3sk 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Stored energy per unit mass

Ok, I'll agree batteries are pretty shit right now but what about nuclear? I remember seeing (will try to find source) that 4th generation breeder reactor designs are more "green" than wind or solar, because they use almost all of the fuel (Uranium or Thorium), requiring comparatively very little mining since it's such a high energy fuel. To meet current energy needs we have to mine, process, and manufacture a massive amount of material to produce batteries, turbines, and solar panels, which has significant environmental costs (better than fossil fuels, but still).

[–]LeeSeneses 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We need to get our ass in gear on those Molten Salt Reactors. No meltdowns, not very hard to obtain fuel but, oh, the good of humanity? But oil's still making a little money right now! Don't spoil the party!

Hold on, I have some natives to take care of so I can go REALLY lay some pipe. Signed; big oil.

[–]Th30r14n 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Chernobyl and Fukushima have given nuclear too much bad press. The average voter is too bad at science and math to realize that they're still statistically much better than fossil fuels.

[–]WaterIsWet00 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Also, the whole disposal of nuclear waste Is a large issue. Below is an example of this. And even if they find more suitable sites eventually we will run out. Then what, shoot it into space?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain_nuclear_waste

[–]buba1243 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are a bunch of different reactor types that don't have the waste problem.

We use the waste type to create weapons.

[–]deathchimp 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think shooting it at people really counts as waste disposal.

[–]quantumdylan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's been a lot of research into recycling reactors that will cyclically use up the ceramic disk waste we have now.

I think Argonne had quite a few successful tests lately on that. Haven't checked in a while, mind you

[–]DMPDrugs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yucca Mountain. The perfect waste containment site. Unbuilt because having waste underground in a desert scared people "nearby," so instead we store the waste on site above ground at each individual plant, spread put across the country so it's close to everyone.

[–]Cairo9o9 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Mobility.

In terms of energy density/cleanliness Nuclear is top tier. But transfer that technology to automotives, you'll have difficulty doing it let alone convincing the population it's safe.

That's why batteries are the most important thing for the fight for renewables. The smaller we can make em with the largest amount of capacity possible is what will change the transportation industry from petrol to renewables.

[–]DMPDrugs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why not use hydrogen fuel cells for storage?

[–]Alpha_Bit_Poop 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And also the sheer volume of energy we get from oil and gas is mind blowing. I think the world uses 94 million barrels of oil a day. So it's going to take a lifetime to make that much renewable energy capacity.

[–]LeeSeneses 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Leaf blowers, F1 cars and... eh. I mean, does anybody really need a fucking charger? Are 90% of the people that buy that fucking car actually going to test it's limits? Most of us are just city drivers who are a slave to a job that never pays enough, most of us will be fine with electric or plug-in hybrid.

Mind, I'm probably missing a number of other irreplaceable applications of fossil fuels. This is just my focused rant.

[–]deathchimp 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Diesel. No one's talking about electric trucks or backhoes. A costly update to our rail system might reduce dependency on trucking. But its going to be a long time before diesel stops being cost effective.

[–]Tamagi0 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Geothermal can require drilling. Terrific solution in some places.

[–]sjminervino 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was in Iceland recently, and it was amazing seeing their geothermal facilities, even from afar. Great place for geothermal.

[–]TossMeAwayToTheMount 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's one of the types I am not too trilled about.

Edit: Call me a bydlo, but doesn't drilling disrupt a lot of processes down in the crust that causes other problems, like fracking?

[–]TheBatmanToMyBruce 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fracking is an issue because various substances are injected into the hole, and can travel for a significant distance underground. Depending on what you think of those substances, that can be a bad thing.

[–]TossMeAwayToTheMount 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seems some problems came from that, I don't know if geothermal is the same but I'm kind of against that. Geo is just reusing the earth's heat to heat water to turn turbines, no?

[–]LeeSeneses 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Geothermal is only about controlled release of trapped heat. The reason Iceland does it is because they're geologically active. If anything it would probably just delay Eifjallajokulamadingdong or whatever that volcano's named from erupting.

[–]Breakallsharpedges 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's different ways of using it, used to work at a place that had a bunch of lines running like 4 feet below a soccer field. Used to preheat water so you use less propane (or whatever) to get it to temperature... or something. Not sure how it worked I just called the guys when it stopped working.

[–]Shatners_Balls -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Geothermal is another energy source that is limited. There is only so much heat in the center of the earth, and the more taps we put into it, the faster it cools off.

[–]StarZephon 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's technically limited, but there's 100 billion years worth of current energy consumption present in heat energy in the earth. Which is to say it's limited like solar is limited because technically, one day the sun is going to go out.

[–]bhtesa 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We should really try to avoid any processes. Don't want to contribute toward the Heat Death of the Universe

[–]Archer5555 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not to support fossil fuels but:

We are nowhere near running out. With the advent of advanced horizontal drilling techniques and fracking opening up shale plays once thought to be too tight to produce we are basically beyond the concept of peak oil.

Global warming will completely erase our civilization before we are able to burn all the oil and gas reserves we've made available in the last decade

[–]TossMeAwayToTheMount 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fracking itself is a loaded gun being used as a hammer anyhow. It's eating eating yourself for substance. It wasn't long ago that predictions in 2003 had oil running out between 2010 and 2020. This was before the reverse in Texas was found and fracking implemented.

[–]Archer5555 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

We agree in principle but the fact of the matter is: We are still so wholly dependant on oil products, not by choice, but by relative necessity. Had we run out of oil in the 2010's society would have collapsed even further than what we will experience through global warming.

The man or woman who invents the battery technology that can store renewable energy with the same efficiency as fossil fuel enery will be the genuine hero and saviour of humanity. So much hinges on that theoretical battery.

[–]MrDeeds_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sounds like a some kind of electro-engineering messiah.

[–]randynumbergenerator 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesn't even have to have the same energy density, since there's a lot of efficiency loss in internal combustion -- if I recall correctly, once density is about a third that of fossil fuel, it'll all be a wash.

And that's just talking about physical equivalence. Economically, we're much closer, because the rest of the power train for an electric car is way simpler than for internal combustion engines.

[–]Roamingkillerpanda 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This should be higher. It's the unpleasant truth but just yesterday I was at a conference and one of the keynote speakers was from the DOE and he had specialized in fossil fuels for the past 40 years. He spoke of the three largest natural gas reserves in North America and said that we haven't even tapped 1% of those. I think until we make renewables more efficient and improve battery storage we'll continue to use fossil fuels because there is so much of it and it's so much more efficient at energy conversion than renewables.

[–]NUZdreamer 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (22子コメント)

fossil fuels are cheaper. People like cheap stuff.

[–]TossMeAwayToTheMount 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (20子コメント)

[–]NUZdreamer 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The investments are paid by the state, so they are paid by the consumer after all and Chile lacks natural resource. It produces next the no coal, less than 10 million tons per anno. source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_coal_production

It's not representative of the rest of the world where fossil fuels are still cheaper than solar.

[–]ortrademe 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]CoSh 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem with a lot of renewable energy like solar and wind is it can't be produced on demand. Solar energy isn't useful when the peak power usage is in the evenings/night when it's dark and cold. Coal and nuclear are popular because you can control the rate of power production, and have energy "stored" as fuel. Any inefficiency in storing renewable energies when production is higher is increased cost/kWh.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If that were true, markets would naturally choose solar energy to save money, with no extra influence by governments needed to bring about the change.

[–]randynumbergenerator 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Increasingly, they are. Wind crossed that threshold a while ago. Also, keep in mind fossil fuels are subsidized (and I'm not even talking about the externalities that aren't taxed due to market failure).

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Increasingly, they are.

And that's fine. No need for government to dictate the change if it's happening naturally by itself.

[–]LeeSeneses 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What about the factor of sunk cost in existing infrastructure?

[–]relemhcs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You must not be paying attention.

[–]BreakingBadEndind -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Solar is cheaper now anyhow.

But batteries aren't.

[–]theassassintherapist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yes they are. News today: Daimler Steps Back From Fuel-Cell Car Development - Declining battery costs have made fuel cell vehicles uncompetitive with electric cars. And batteries will only get cheaper still.

[–]BreakingBadEndind 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Here is two videos explaining the problems with renewable energy. There are thousands more like these on YouTube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1--7qqN4sQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uz6xOFWi4A

On the other hand, 50 or more years of regulation has made coal burning power plants some of the cleanest energy out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CpdRZNtxs

We still have no real technology for disposing of used batteries. Also the metals and other resources have to be dug out of the Earth just like coal. So your just creating new ways to pollute the planet.

[–]littlecolt 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We talk a lot about this kind of stuff, and I am glad we've done so much work on modern energy centers, but one of the biggest sources of pollution and CO2 in the air is from international shipping. I am not sure where the figures are right now, but it's pretty staggering how bad big boats are.

[–]BreakingBadEndind 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I have read about that as well. If we went back to manufacturing things we need in our own country we would see a return of jobs and a reduction in the pollution these cargo ships produce.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-pollution

https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:0/centery:16/zoom:2

[–]R00t240 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Did u really just say coal burning power plants are some of the cleanest energy out there? because that is completely and totally untrue.

[–]relemhcs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Care to source your "one of the cleanest sources of energy" statement?

[–]sloppyjoes7 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

  1. Sunk costs. We've already invested billions (trillions?) of dollars into fossil fuels.

  2. This has resulted in fossil fuel now being very cheap. Much cheaper than any other energy source, with possibly nuclear and hydro as exceptions. (Hydro is used up in the US, for the most part.)

  3. Solar is "more plentiful" but is not cheaper. Not without subsidies.

  4. Of course fossil fuels will run out, but not anytime soon. Do you throw out your car after a year or two? Or is it smarter to use it until it's run down and economically viable to replace?

  5. We have millions of vehicles and existing power plants. Building new ones would cost... again, billions to trillions of dollars. And would take decades.

  6. Energy that requires "drilling" is fine, especially if you get tons of energy for minimal effort.

  7. Solar and other techs aren't perfectly clean. Solar is notorious for metals it uses. Batteries too, like Lithium, which is incredibly poisonous. Nevermind the mining and effort needed to create them.

  8. You mention "installing" solar in surburban areas? You're talking rooftop? It's a good idea in some places if you have enough subsidies to offset massive installation costs. Otherwise, it makes more sense to use centralized power generation. That's more efficient.

  9. Wind is nice, but again, has an environmental impact and large installation costs. It is also expensive. Also, it can only be installed in certain places. It's also inconsistent, which is bad for power grids which require more constant production.

The TLDR is that cleaner energy will slowly but surely replace fossil fuels. It's inevitable, and nobody will stop it. Everyone realizes this. The only question is if we should speed up the replacement, and how much time/effort/money we should spend doing so.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Even if "climate change doesn't exist" (not my actual belief), what logic is there for using an energy that is quickly running at to the end of its finite lifetime?

If climate change is not caused by atmospheric CO2 then any attempts to restrict CO2 are an economic waste.

[–]TossMeAwayToTheMount 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Except fossil fuels are being depleted faster than being they are being replaced. It's an economic waste to not ease into alternatives if one one is going to run out soon. All that infrastructure built will be moot anyhow.

[–]NakedAndBehindYou 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

As fossil fuel supplies decrease, prices will increase slowly over time, and a free market of energy production would naturally ease into alternatives that become more cost effective based on the new higher prices of fossil fuels. We are not going to just wake up one day and say "oops, all the oil is gone, we're fucked because we didn't prepare." The process of running out of fossil fuels will be a long, slow one. We generally know how much fuel is left in the deposits we are currently extracting and can predict how long those deposits will last. Businesses will see these numbers and will know when to invest in new energy technologies to maximize their profits. No government intervention is necessary if climate change is not caused by negative externalities like CO2.

[–]TossMeAwayToTheMount 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The 1970s oil crisis was one that came slowly and not suddenly as well.

[–]Ballistica 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's all reasonable and a decent argument, but the real world isn't a closed system. Bare with my hypothical from my perspective of a small island nation.

We switch to a full free market model, government removes tarrifs and regulations and our import/export thrives, prices for importing fossil fuels drop and we continue cruising on the traditional fuel wave. But then as what consistently happens in history, trade negotiations break down due to ever present political tensions and then countries like my own that have little to no fossil fuels coming into the country? It would be like a on/off switch as everything breaks down. Obviously this is less of an issue for a large powerful resourced country, but as the quantity slowly dwindles for a valuable and necessary commodity, so does the power of the haves over the have nots increase exponentially. Eventually countries that do have large fuel deposits will have tremendous power over those who don't. Wouldn't it be a good, smart government that is able to allow judge the political climate and decide if intervention or tax payer spending is necessary to reduce the power countries have over it in these situations. The free market may be great financially, but it is firmly the role of the government to intervene where necessary to reduce the likely hood of future economic or political disaster and prepare the country, even if it takes tax payer funded investment. Isn't that why the US maintains high taxpayer defense spending? Because it values the balance of power that it maintains globally by said spending? Why can't other sectors also be seen the same Therefore it is a smart move for a nation to invest in independent energy sources, in independent food sources, whatever, so that they can be self sustainable when the shit hits the fan.

[–]BreakingBadEndind 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Climate change models change one variable, CO2, and they manage to get their models to work. This alone should make anyone suspicious of the models they are using.

Climate modeling is made up of hundred of different factors. The fact that the temperature changes when CO2 is increased is a sign that the model was designed to behave that way.

[–]ArthurSchopenhauer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This comment doesn't make any sense.

[–]MrDeeds_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. I guess most people's trust in a computer model comes from their vast inexperience with them. These kind of models are wrong most often than not.

[–]koshgeo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only as long as you're also okay with acidifying the oceans because of the increased CO2. There is more effect than on temperature.

[–]velimak 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The video is 15 minutes long, but the first 7 or so minutes is all it should take to help you understand why fossil fuels are not the devil.

[–]ksa10 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All methods of energy require mining of some sort. That isn't going away.

[–]koshgeo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

what logic is there for using an energy that is quickly running at to the end of its finite lifetime?

Good and legitimate question.

  1. Try doing without ~90 million barrels of oil a day, and goodness knows how much natural gas, starting tomorrow, by replacing it all with solar and wind. Good luck. In most countries fossil fuels constitute more than half of total energy use (not merely electricity generation). Answer: we need to keep the lights on while we switch, which takes time to implement.

  2. Even with a fairly complete implementation, good luck flying passenger planes by using solar or wind instead of petroleum (e.g., a Boeing 777 has engines that generate over 30MW, each). Not impossible to do, but some kind of chemical storage will be necessary other than batteries, and it will again take time to develop ways to efficiently do it. Experiments have been done with biofuels or other ways, but it isn't easy. Therefore there will be an ongoing (albeit dwindling) need for special applications even if the majority of energy supply switches to something else.

TL;DR: You can't flip a switch and make it happen overnight, meanwhile we make demands for energy.

[–]Algur -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's very difficult to match the efficiency of fossil fuels. Not to mention as a society we've latched on to the two least efficient renewables those being wind and solar. Realistically the best form of renewable energy we have at the moment is hydro-electric.

[–]Yabba_dabba_dooooo 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nuclear as well. Though I don't think it's labeled as renewable, even though it's awfully close to being so.

[–]Algur 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nuclear works well too. It has the Chernobyl stigma, however.

[–]LeeSeneses 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we invested in non-weaponizeable nuclear research (thorium,which also can't catastrophically melt down) that would be good - and more of a sure thing than fusion right now.

[–]green_banditos 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What makes me hesitant about nuclear is the uranium needed for it. Uranium needs mines, waste, and it's not renewable. Not to mention the nuclear waste itself.

[–]ILoveMeSomePickles 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Realistically the best form of renewable energy we have at the moment is hydro-electric.

Sure, if you don't give a shit about the environment.

[–]LeeSeneses 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Except creating reservoirs often leads to the destruction of an entire local ecosystem, the cost to the environment increasing with project scale.

[–]etherealswitch 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Which is great if you're living in Quebec or Norway but not Nebraska.

[–]Algur 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure. That's definitely it's main problem. It's incredibly efficient in areas with sufficient running water though.

[–]RyanAtoll58 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I thought Norway was dependent on oil, no? I know they drill oil there but do they use it for power / electric generation or do they export it?

[–]mrv3 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The argument is that by forcing solar you allow a situation in which countries dump massive amounts of money into solar (from the government) selling units at a loss and preventing any actual competition from rising.

Then in a few years when we are dependant on solar no start up can compete with the quantity required to really enter the mass market.

All at the expense of third world countries who are being exploited for rem's moving the war in the middle east into Africa as emerging superpowers try and quickly grab a vital resource locking out other nations and ensuring dominance.

Energy, specifically storage, is the gateway to autonomous robots replacing soldiers. The country that controls the means of large scale production of said storage will be the country with the most powerful army overnight.

Our entire military doctrine is designed specifically around human combat, our weapons are anti-person. The NATO round while 'excellent' at taking down soft targets facing bipedal drones will lead to massive casualties as the weapons of pretty much every NATO countries will lack the punch requiring heavier, costlier, and less accurate weapons (grenade launchers, rockets, heavy machine guns, bomb, grenades) none of which should replace the assault rifle.

It's why the US is increasing the pressure of new experimental bullets, to gain velocity and effectiveness down range.

That's the concern with forcing solar, is that in doing so you open the board the countries not yet hostile but the potential of being to take advantage and replace you as the top dog.

America invests based on military needs. NASA, computers, internet, etc. Ask yourself why else might other countries be so heavily invested in Solar?

[–]gronke -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

FYI solar is technically finite as well

[–]LeeSeneses 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Solar ceases to be renewable long after the earth is cooked by our expanding sun. Oil won't last even a fraction as long as our mainstay energy provider.

[–]TossMeAwayToTheMount 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Everything in the universe is finite but solar is not being consumed faster than it is being replenished.

[–]TestingThisIGuess 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have no idea why this is getting downvotes, because it's obviously true in any meaningful sense other than maybe an extremely literal one.

[–]gronke -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm no physicist, but I'm pretty sure that violates the laws of physics.

edit: Oh, wait. I have a degree in Physics, nevermind.

[–]TestingThisIGuess 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Er...it's pretty obvious that they mean we're constantly receiving sunlight, but not doing anything with the vast majority of it. So it is being replenished at a rate faster than it's being depleted, in any meaningful sense given the context, at least. The only way for that not to be true would be if we were somehow utilizing every last bit of solar energy arriving on Earth for some purpose.

[–]hankhillpeggy -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol "solar"... it's called nuclear

[–]Whisper -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Solar is plenty more bountiful and wind constantly refreshes.

Hi there.

While it's nice to see people caring about energy strategy and planning for the future, I'd like to talk a little a bit about physics first, so that we can prevent well-meaning folks from advocating strategies that are total non-starters.

First off, are you familiar with the concept of "energy density"?

[–]gepgepgep 200 ポイント201 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Fucking turn back now...

Cancer in comments.

[–]21stPilot 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll take your word for it! Thanks for the warning.

[–]EDTa380 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But you aren't the top comment

Your warning has been for nothing and has lost its effect

I have seen too much

[–]ManBearScientist 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Just remember that a a carbon tax would be so terrible that economist's favor it, energy companies ask for it, and when it was introduced in British Columbia (by a Canadian right-wing party) it actually grew the economy.

[–]Shatners_Balls 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I well referenced post! I am saddened that I only have one upvote to give.

[–]Mahoney2 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Also only one regular vote :(

[–]Church-TuringSneezes 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't stand it when I find a post that deserves an upvote and a downvote at the same time. It's so bad I don't even vote on those ones at all.

[–]SavageSavant[🍰] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

key component is Exxon’s insistence that the tax be revenue-neutral, which means other taxes would be scaled back so the government’s take wouldn’t be any greater.

sounds good to me!

[–]Nightlyfe 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Recycling and renewable resources are paramount for self contained space travel too.

[–]Attila_the_Nun 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I thought this was a hillarious comic i 2009. Now it's - it seems - the general view of people in charge, and thus situate it self as a tragic foresight.

In 200 years we will be viewed as the worst 2-3 generations of earth janitors/superintendents.

[–]Alpha_Bit_Poop 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah a woman on The Moth podcast was talking about how she was a researcher at a coral reef in 1970, and how the place was just an awesome ecosystem of stuff. Like an underwater forest. Then she went back in 2012, and there was some big rock coral, and a few different species of fish, but it was a desert compared to what had been there in the 1970's. So sad.

[–]Sierrahasnolife 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hear things like this and I'm so full of sadness that there is beauty out there that I will have never had a chance to experience because of things out of my control. Imagine how many wondrous things our children's generations will miss.

[–]captainsavajo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Where I live used to be underwater...... so sad man. so many plankton lost.

[–]ldwardgamer 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So outrageous that the lady had to 180 degree her head to see who said it.

[–]Alpha_Bit_Poop 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Allright, so I defend to the death that this is propaganda, but I just don't think it's visually interesting. Yeah it makes a point, but it's not interesting to look at. Like, one of my favorite propaganda images is a political cartoon from the civil war "The Eagles Nest" but it is visually interesting, but op's cartoon is not!

http://cdn.loc.gov/service/pnp/ds/00900/00989v.jpg

[–]Solar-Salor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its super ugly like most semi-modern political cartoons.

[–]Physical_removal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because the state is terrible at memes

[–]wisehumanity 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is hilarious. I genuinely laughed out loud.

[–]are_you_metal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

don't know why but I remembered this joke from Children of Men:

https://youtu.be/WOqrJong0Pk?t=59s

[–]thebondofunity 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Always my favorite political comic

[–]SwampDrainer -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trade-offs? Never hear of em!

[–]wevsdgaf 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol, well this backfired didn't it

[–]spikus93 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My father doesn't believe in climate change/global warming. This is the argument I used to show him why even if he's right, it's a bad argument. Additionally, I have a friend in the Gas/Oil industry who claims we have enough natural gas to run vehicles and infrastructure (as a cheap power source) for hundreds of years. I'm not sure I believe that, but regardless, I pointed out that if you're right, and it doesn't exist, then energy reform will only affect a few industries (which will likely diversify into these fields) and maybe some corporate fines for pollution. If their wrong, they are actively fighting against the future of humanity and being selfish. They're creating a world that is unsustainable for their children in which famine and drought and extreme weather patterns become common and destroy the planet.

So which is the less awful downside? Paying fines for doing nothing and nothing happens to the environment; or, being wrong and the world slowly decays into destruction and ruins the planet for generations to come. Which would you hedge your bet on? Money seems to be the answer for those corporations.

[–]voodoowing 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"GIVE US MONEY PLEASE"

[–]teacher_ninja -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was at a local climate change summit and this guy stood up and started shouting this exact argument. He kept saying, "why isn't this a debate!" The moderator responded, "because our advertisements all said SUMMIT!"

[–]Solar-Salor -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's such an ugly comic