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[–]bhiliyam 24 points25 points26 points  (16 children)
See, one of the problems is that the govt itself lacks clarity on some of the issues about Aadhaar. For instance, consider the Aadhaar number. Is it supposed to be something you are supposed to keep a closely guarded secret? In US, SSN as your link points out, has no in built authentication so the number is all you have, so it is obviously clear that you have to keep it secret. And you only have to share it with people you absolutely trust - your employer, your bank things like that. So it is feasible to keep the SSN a secret.
In India, the govt itself seems to have little clarity on this. Aadhaar has an authentication system built (biometric and password based) for it. So there is no inherent need that it must be kept a secret. Nor is it practically very feasible to keep it secret since the govt is also linking Aadhaar to everything, so you need to provide your Aadhaar number to so many people so regularly. The finance minister also envisions a future where Aadhaar might be the only identity card you have - so you would have to share it with everyone all the time. Yet, the govt makes in a punishable offence for people to publish someone's Aadhaar number. Govt babus all over India are being made to incorporate Aadhaar number into their procedures with no instructions or training about what precautions they need to take while handling Aadhaar number. And then they get surprised when untrained clerks post Aadhaar numbers online and talk about punishing such people. It's just fucking absurd.
The govt needs to make up its mind. If Aadhaar number is going to be like SSN and supposed to be kept secret, then it does not make much sense to force people to use it like an id-card for every damned purpose. If I have to show my Aadhaar number to everyone left, right and center, I can't also keep it a closely guarded secret at the same time. If Aadhaar number is not supposed to be such a big secret, then the govt should acknowledge that and make sure that they make policies that take this into account.
[–]Roy_Mustang2 10 points11 points12 points  (12 children)
👆 This guy maybe an insufferable prick who uses multiple sockpuppet accounts but on this point he is correct
[–]bhiliyam 4 points5 points6 points  (9 children)
Here is the thing that you nincompoops do not understand. To be able to find good arguments, you need to know how to reject bad arguments. If I were to satisfy myself with the sort of arguments randia regularly jerks off to, I wouldn't possibly be able to develop an understanding of the issue and find actually relevant arguments.
If not participating in randia's braindead circlejerks and not debasing my intelligence to the level of this subreddit makes me an insufferable prick, so be it. I don't give the slightest fuck.
who uses multiple sockpuppet accounts
Haha ab har dusra insaan yahi shuru kar raha hai bolna. Koi argument dhang ka hota hai nahi kabhi. Jo man mein aaye bol do. Kya fark padta hai. Aath-das aur chutiye mil ke up vote kar hi denge. Apni imagination mein tum sahi prove ho jaoge. Imagination mein hi khush rehna hai toh raho khush.
[–]hsnk42 3 points4 points5 points  (2 children)
I upvoted the first post, then you had to go and get /r/neckbeard /r/IAmVerySmart on us.
Fucking troll.
[–]Roy_Mustang2 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
He isn't a troll. He is just nuts, smart but nuts and narcissistic
[–]bhiliyam -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
I called it.
You guys are so predictable.
you had to go
I didn't have to go that route and I wouldn't have gone if not for /u/Roy_Mustang2's asinine comment.
[–]shub1991 -2 points-1 points0 points  (5 children)
True! The circle jerk is so idiotic that they remember your username in their "memory palace" if you are supporting the present Government in any policy then use it as an argument in the subsequent debates crying "bhakt"which has nothing to do with that context.
[–]Roy_Mustang2 2 points3 points4 points  (3 children)
Actually u/bhiliyam doesn't support the BJP per se. His politics is pretty moderate, probably center left, but he is such a asshole when he argues that you instantly wish you weren't on the same side of the argument as him. Plus Everytime he runs out of karma, he has another account ready to jump bacl into the conversation. He is otherwise intelligent and knows his stuff most of the time, but he is such an insufferable prick
[–]bhiliyam 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
doesn't support the BJP per se. His politics is pretty moderate, probably center left
That's kind of accurate. Although given the choice of parties we have in India, I see nothing better than BJP.
he is such a asshole when he argues that you instantly wish you weren't on the same side of the argument as him
Probably also accurate.
Plus Everytime he runs out of karma, he has another account ready to jump back into the conversation
This is the part which is complete nonsense. I have never had an account where I had a problem with karma.
[–]Roy_Mustang2 [score hidden]  (1 child)
Sure, a few months back we were arguing and you totally didn't switch to another account while arguing with me.
God you are insufferable.
[–]bhiliyam [score hidden]  (0 children)
Sure, a few months back we were arguing and you totally didn't switch to another account while arguing with me.
Extremely unlikely, but maybe I did. I don't remember. Is that an active account? Also, if I was still able to comment with that account, doesn't that negate your claim that I make accounts because I run out of karma?
God you are insufferable.
In this case, I would argue that you are the one being insufferable. Just having an alt does not mean that it is being actively used, let alone being used for some nefarious purpose. In the vast majority of cases I switch accounts just to check if my comment has been removed.
[–]pudhinalao 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
See, people try be reasonable here. But people keep bringing their Bhakti everywhere.
[–]Tamraj-KilvishAndhera Kayam Rahe[S] 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
The finger points towards your username. LOL.
But I agree.
[–]Roy_Mustang2 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Like I said in another comment about him
Actually u/bhiliyam doesn't support the BJP per se. His politics is pretty moderate, probably center left, but he is such a asshole when he argues that you instantly wish you weren't on the same side of the argument as him. Plus Everytime he runs out of karma, he has another account ready to jump back into the conversation. He is otherwise intelligent and knows his stuff most of the time, but he is such an insufferable prick
[–]adarakkan 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Its sad that it has come to this. And I half-expected this with a big country and a complicated tech solution like aadhar.
Its an identification system. Not an authentication system.
The workflow that the system was designed for was Service provider to uidai: 'hey, this guy here submitted these details for name, age, address, gender and uid number. Do all these match' Uidai: yes or no If no, call the fuckin police or shoo away the customer. Service provider when it is yes: 'hey now I need to know if this guy standing in front of me, signin up for this crazy service, is the same guy you also know he is or some other stranger trying to fake. Pls to verify identity'
At this point, uidai makes a check to see if the person has locked his biometric data. If locked, sends a OTP to him. Service provider then enters the OTP and the finger print scans using the scanner that uidai provides. Uidai responds: yes or no.
The service provider should not use the uid number to save in his records. He is supposed to create a unique account number for himself and the customer and not link uid number.
End of fucking story. Such secure. Much wow. Very private. 10/10 would do it again.
Then enter rogue state. Take a well designed tech and screw the living daylight out of it.
Designed for benefit based schemes from state to ppl, but instead made mandatory for all taxation and public sector services. Then link it everywhere. Then use it like a password or an authentication system instead of just an id. Brain == fucked. The govt shot itself in the foot by seeding doubts of insecurity and identity thefts when infact its actually pretty well designed to deal with it.
Any decent tech in the hands of a rogue state can make it dangerous. Its not aadhar's fault per-se. Its the rogue state.
[–]arajparaj 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Aadhar number have to kept secret not because of identity theft which is very hard due to biometric matching. It should be due to privacy issues. Aadhar is linked everywhere it's very easy to track someone and his activities. SSN have the opposite problem if you have an SSN you can impersonate a person. But it's not linked to a central authority like Aadhar.
[–]bhiliyam 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Interesting argument, but to track you with your Aadhaar card, won't someone also need to get access to all of these different databases where the information about the person's activities are actually stored? And if they already have access to these databases, can't they just read your Aadhaar number off the file?
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