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[–]bullbour [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Okay. Can someone define 'the establishment' for me please? Because at this point it just seems like a meaningless term for 'Republican who does something I don't like'. I'm not faulting Paul here, and in fact I agree with him for the most part, he just happened to use the term.

[–]TheGoatsMustBeCrazy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

My shortest definition would be somebody who is more interested in their staying power than acting on any principles.

May as well call them "job security Republicans". They are established and have every interest in remaining established. They feel they are entitled to remain in place and take their reward for clawing over such a pile of bodies in their careers. They are motivated by "I've earned this and I'm entitled to this."

Incumbency was never supposed to be this powerful of a factor. May as well have a House of Lords when guys are entrenched for decades.

[–]Lepew1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

How about anyone who performs their job function primarily in response to lobbyist cash and retaining incumbency without regard to the priorities of those who have sent them to office. Typically one can spot such when they stage 'show votes' in which for appearance sake they take a stand popular with the voters, but if you look at the measure itself, it has zero chance of ever passing. These people give moving speeches on the campaign trail as to what really is wrong with government, and the people clap and cheer, but when put in a position to actually do anything about it, they are always buried under a never ending pile of excuses as to why they can not do anything about it. Sometimes an establishment candidate will band together with other like minded individuals to suppress genuine solutions from ever seeing a floor vote, as perhaps serving as a public servant does not line their pockets or solidify incumbency. One need not be a creative genius to prove one is not an establishment candidate, one must merely not oppose and possibly work with those who are indeed representing the people.

[–]Famicon10002 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"The Establishment" is the nebulous conspiracy keeping true conservatives from keeping their promises.

Its also what the HFC/Tea Party/post-Obama conservatives have won elections railing against. Trump is also an "anti-establishment" icon, though only loosely affiliated with the Republicans. If anyone starts naming people as members of "the establishment" then the GOP civil war will begin. Until then its just talking points.

Here we see Paul feteing the HFC as true conservatives and therefore good. He's trying to be popular again after the AHCA debacle. He's also avoiding naming names, since that would be divisive.

[–]MrMcGibblets88 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Pretty much any Republican that gets elected to office nowadays

[–]GuardianBLKWolf [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"Re"-elected. The establishment protects their own. Unless one of the establishment retired, the newcomer is usually the voice of the people saying they aren't happy with the establishment and want it changed. This applies to both parties.

A.K.A, the swamp.

[–]NYCMiddleManLibertarian Conservative [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

It's interesting to see every single pro-Trump commentator is strongly urging Trump to back the fuck off of his attack, now.

[–]tantrym [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because Trump is making a big fucking mistake. The Freedom Caucus might be small-ish, but without conservatives he never would have been elected.

[–]groovyfinch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not to be the ultimate cynic, but all they have to do is dig up a single abortion in his past and the man is cooked. I wish I could say his behavior, morality-wise, led me to believe such a thing would be impossible to find, but... I can't say that.

[–]Kamikaze_Model_Plane [スコア非表示]  (13子コメント)

Does the Freedom Caucus even have any women in it? Not to be a dick but it seems like a rather stupid mistake claiming there are multiple women when there isn't even one. Plus isn't didn't democrats throw a fit when pence met with these people and someone took a picture?

[–]killer_kiki [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

They had one but she retired. They don't have any currently.

[–]cleanmymind [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

You know, come to think of it have you ever met a female libertarian? I don't think I ever have.

I'm sure they exist but I've never met one.

[–]YankeeBlues21 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I had a female professor for healthcare economics who was a libertarian back in college, but you have a point when I think about how rare that seems to be. I don't know of any in my social circle. There are a handful in the political news/commentary/pundit world but again, pretty rare.

[–]I_am_fed_up_of_SAP [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There are a lot of female libertarians—Julie Borowski is quite popular; so is Marianne Copenhaver aka 'Libertarian Girl'. You may like this list: https://libertyviral.com/20-of-the-hottest-libertarian-women-alive/

[–]killer_kiki [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Oh, I know several. One of my girl-friends campaigned HARD for Johnson (take that as you will).

[–]cleanmymind [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

So your girlfriend embraced the Johnson hard, did she?

[–]killer_kiki [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

no, my friend who is a girl did. And she often made similar terrible puns.

[–]Jawzey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Liberal here. I had a female, libertarian Economics professor in college who ran for Lt. Governor of California back in 2010 under the libertarian ticket. She received more than half a million votes, too.

[–]groovyfinch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just a theory, but as the FC trends more socially conservative, there's a greater chance that women who subscribe to these political and social beliefs are less ambitious in the workplace and more focused on family life.

[–]NineOh1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I feel like when the word "establishment" is thrown around its always directed toward the Republicans, when the Dem establishment is much more entrenched. Made obvious by the primaries, the general electuon, and their loyalty to a compromised HRC.