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[–]LuisLN [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I'm pretty sure every liberal in existence would choose gov't paying for birth control and abortions. I don't see the comics point.

[–]billswinthesuperbowl [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

The comics points is to point out the lunacy in the argument that the government needs to stay out of womens bodies and stop interfering all while wanting the government to supply funds for these activities. The argument lacks any logic in the sense that on one point they only want the government in their bodies if they agree with their decisions and fund them but when they government does not agree with their decisions it is sexism/misogyny

[–]lobsterharmonica1667 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I think the issue is they don't want the government to make decisions about their body. Making something available isn't very different than saying you can or cannot use it. Those views are completely consistent. I don't want the government to decide what I eat, but still think the government should find meals on wheels.

[–]LuisLN [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Liberals don't really care about big government though. Like, they just use that argument to point out that Republicans should be with them on this issue, but they don't actually care about it, since they feel it's a justified use of government.

[–]lobsterharmonica1667 [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

Are those things mutually exclusive?

[–]Agastopia [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Just shows some fundamental misunderstandings in the entire debate

[–]lobsterharmonica1667 [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Misunderstanding by OP maybe. I think the liberal view is quite clear. They want to government to make those things available, and decide for themselves how they use them.

[–]TheGoatsMustBeCrazy [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Yes. There is no such thing as a funding decision that does not conscript somebody else into it. The invitation to government when they are conveniently paying for something is hypocritical if you are simultaneously arguing for government restraint.

For what it's worth, I don't think liberals do argue for true government restraint on the abortion issue. They may claim to use a form of this argument, but it's disingenuous. They are against restraints on their personal will, not in favour of restraints on government, and I do believe there's a subtle difference.

[–]lobsterharmonica1667 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

True, but how does that relate to the post? Liberals think that government should fund those things, and they also think that the government shouldn't make decisions regarding how women use them. Liberals very much do think that the government should be involved in healthcare, just not in deciding personal medical choices.

[–]TheGoatsMustBeCrazy [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

And whose choice was it to pay the tax to fund that decision? I believe that it is hypocritical to say, "I have unfettered choice over using money that was involuntarily taken from you."

There's an old saying, "He who pays the piper calls the tune." When you want to be a net beneficiary of government resources, you don't really get to invoke your claim to absolute free will and independence, do you?

EDIT: Of course, we're exposing an ideological divide between the left and right now. Liberals do tend to believe that if something is good or necessary, it is a right. And if it's a right, it must be funded.

[–]lobsterharmonica1667 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I understand that, but saying that I would like the government to provide the ability for me the make medical decisions while not wanting to government to make the decision itself, is not inconsistent. It isn't inconsistent to ask you to help move my couch and also insist that it goes in a specific place.

[–]Dandy-Space-Guy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Comes down to the simple statement: "I'll keep my laws off your body, as long as you keep my taxes off it also."

[–]cajungator3Conservative [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If I'm a taxpayer and I have to invest my taxes into their uterus, doesn't it become my uterus?

[–]Knightfall21[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If you don't want input from others on your lifestyle or choice to end the life of your baby, but you want everyone else to pay for that choice, you might be a liberal.

[–]Mist_Rising [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

...They'll pick only one of those options. This meme isn't thought out at all as I see it.

[–]Lepew1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The way through that sticker is to point out the consequences of free birth control and abortions. I am not talking about declining birth rates here. I am talking about the creep of big government into our lives on even this seemingly small matter.

Where does the government get money for that free birth control and abortion? From taxes. How much of that tax money goes to that direct purpose? A vanishingly small amount.

Where does most of the money the government collects goes? To feed an entire slew of mismanaged, corrupt, wasteful and inept programs that grow in cost year after year.

Why should my support of this matter? Because it gives the overall process of the government grab of your money and your liberty sanction. Every time they increase the drain on the productive, they highlight the inconsequential from a fiscal standpoint items like birth control and abortions services they provide as justifications to grab way way more than they ever should have.

I think it would be a very interesting research topic to track down what exactly that free birth control packet the government provides costs. From the IRS processing of your tax dollars, to the flow of that throught he budgetary process and all of the support people in overhead dollars in the government, to the waste in contracts and bidding and lawsuits around those contracts, to the entire regulatory mess of overseeing the program, to finally that pack of BC pills.

Then you compare it to the under $10 cost you would pay if you got it from CVS.

Then you compare how much more those government pills cost than CVS.

Then you think about how free that really was.

Then you think about how good you feel for sticking your hard working neighbor who pays taxes with that tax cost, and saddling your kids with the debt of paying that off for decades into the future.

[–]ang3c0 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Woosh