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[–]Redpillbrigade17 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah that's the right attitude. The moment the two of you don't connect like that anymore (I.e. Cum on her face, intimate discussions on all this with you and her tight on same page etc) and lose your sense of humor, is the moment where it can come crashing down and brings your family with it.

Stay strong you oak. They'll get older and crazier, it's not going to be easier.

[–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They'll get older and crazier

Although there are some exceptions, this seems to be a general rule of thumb for my elderly relatives. Some of it just senility; but a lot of it is a form of frame in which old people give no fucks and say whatever they feel like the consequences be damned. More oak required for sure.

[–]FireTemperedMRP APPROVED 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They'll get older and crazier,

If I am any example, this is true. Fuck you very much.

[–]PersaeusMarried - MRP Approved 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your welcome.

[–]donedreadpirate[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks man, it's a good test of frame and could have easily been turned into a shit show. Thankful for the lessons I've learned here

[–]jm51 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm trying to figure out how to parlay this into a threesome with her mom...

aka A Sportsmans Double.

[–]ReddJiveMRP Approved 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (13子コメント)

PTSD

Tired of this being an excuse. It isn't. If he is a vet PTSD isn't a sure thing. It's not common. TBI? More likely. That can explain wild mood swings and possibly suddenly personality differences from before he was on duty and after. PTSD has become a crutch.

I think I will just stay out of it.

This is ulitimately the best answer. Except as you have started, being the oak for your wife.

There is no way you can push someone to make the decsions they need in order to leave someone in these situations. They have to come to it on their own.

Many cases the individual has goals they don't want to lose, ie financial, some level of security, and well.....nostalgia. These are powerful emotions to a woman as we know.

Battered woman have to come to the decision themselves, very much like a beta male has to come to the decision that something isn't right and that a change needs to be made.

Encourage your wife. She will encourage her mom. Through your example, you will show the path.

Leaders don't look back to see if others are following.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm with you. this wounded warrior syndrome causes more of the problem than it solves. Remember that study in the UK, where PTSD shot up, when they assumed guys had it after returning?

Everyone assumes PTSD, and then you get to stow your ego in the identity of it, instead of what PTSD actually can be, involuntary

[–]ReddJiveMRP Approved 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did read that study. I know guys with real PTSD. It isn't as scary as everyone thinks and it's more self destructive then the public knows.

[–]Westernhagen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Military Historian Martin van Creveld:

The idea that war is necessarily harmful to the soul and, unless properly treated by all kinds of experts, will tend to destroy it is peculiar to the modern West. Looking back into history before 1860 or so, there is little or no evidence to support it; nor does it seem to be, or have been, a major problem in non-Western forces such as Hezbollah, Daesh, and, four decades ago, the Viet Cong. Ergo the phenomenon, which in recent year has grown to the point where it is threatening to undermine what little of the West’s will to fight remains, is a cultural one. So stop the system whereby anyone returning from war is automatically suspect of carrying the problem and practically forced to suffer from it. Reward those who do not contract PTSD instead of those who do so. Instead of pitying veterans and treating them as damaged good, find ways to reward them and above all, celebrate them for their heroism and their sacrifice.

PTSD, as it suddenly emerged during the American Civil War, is not so much a medical phenomenon as a cultural one. It is the product of a society which tolerates it and, all too often, encourages it and even celebrates it. It does so partly because the idea that war is bad for the soul is taken very much for granted; and partly because of the fear of litigation. Whatever the reason, things have got to the point where American troops returning from places like Afghanistan are now obliged to undergo annual testing for PTSD. Instead of feting its heroes, society, treating them like damaged goods, does what it can to humiliate them.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I've always thought it was a lot to do with modern warfare, explosions, concussions etc. swords were deadly, but rather clean by comparrison to what a shockwave could do.

I used to laugh at some of it. That lecture and pamphlet we were given, warning us that week 6 upon return was when we were most likely to beat our wives... How they learned to pay bills etc while we were gone, and come back feeling unneeded etc.

It sounded like setting us up for failure. During the trip, the only things guys worried about were their women spending their deployment cash, or getting some dick on the side.

Ops would have the large tone of an Iranian SAM battery locking on when passing the SOG... I was on the VOIP calling my mom on her birthday, people were having breakfast...

But that phone call when hitting port? guys were smashing cell phones

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's not ptsd...

Well, it is, and it isnt. Its the adjustment to a totally different way of life. Brain can not handle it.

Also partially there is a relaxation being deployed- you don't control much so you relax into it. Come back, and now you are in charge of your life again.

Then again there is the guy who did not have a concussion that he could think of, tested out like one ( symptoms of ptsd and concussion nearly the same)- so we scratched our heads and scanned his brain. Turns out he had a bleed in it at some point. We still think its from firing his 50 from within the cupola of his vehicle.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

The adjustment part makes sense. I remember compartmentalizing my life at home, it just didn't exist for me when I was out, lots of guys did. The ones with shitty lives used to buy phone card time to talk with their wives, and sent out emails constantly. I knew others had some trouble...

The only part I didn't understand is the in charge part. I guess I had a good core group, we essentially drank, BBQ, built decks... replicated the group ashore for a full month off, inventing new 'operations', which I assume weened us off it slowly.

I remember vividly, I drove my car, it felt like a new car. I realized I haven't driven in almost a year.... Everything was brand new and fun again.

I haden't thought about this stuff in a long time, thanks Scurve!

Accomplishing something, and then taking the time to coast and relax... Kind of puts my last year in perspective too.

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I didn't understand is the in charge part

I am going to paraphrase a gunny and a staff sgt with the 101st :

you relax because after handling some details of loadout and petty bs on base, you go outside the wire. You either come back good, come back wounded, or come back in parts. That's not really up to you. So you don't worry about it. It doesn't matter. There is nothing as important as coming back into the wire, and then eventually stateside. But you have no control over how or when that happens. You just control when you shit, and your load out.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ah, so akin to Neil Armstongs problem. After the moon, what else was he going to do in life?

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I guess. except they are usually young, and have to. Plus I haven't met a guy with bad ptsd who didnt have a raging bitch at home.

[–]Westernhagen [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

swords were deadly, but rather clean by comparrison to what a shockwave could do.

I dunno, I would think being face to face looking in his eyes as you cut off his limbs and disembowel him, blood spraying everywhere, would mess with your mind pretty severely.

week 6 upon return was when we were most likely to beat our wives

So you put a reminder in the Outlook calendar: Week 6, Beat Wife... =D

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I was single at the time, I kept it for the lulz.

[–]donedreadpirate[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Very interesting and thought provoking.

[–]donedreadpirate[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good point on PTSD as an excuse. Thanks for the advice!

[–]UEMcGillMarried- MRP MODERATOR 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I know this might be hard to believe but they're great with my kids.

For the noobs navigating this remember, you are the prize and by extension so is your family unit.

OP I think it's a pretty good interaction on your part. In the case of my wife's family I have cut out a BIL and a SIL because one is an alchoholic and the other was a soul sucking vampire. When you stand your ground, and repeat what's wrong with interacting with them your wife will often see them for what they are. My wife has come to realize that she does not have to deal with their shitty side just because they're blood.

I do think that you need to take it a step further. Your father in law is an alcoholic. Everyone around him enables that, including your mother in law. She's likely codependent and doesn't know how to function without cleaning up after him all the time. You need to remove those people from your life and your kids lives.

Your wife will be a tough one, but use your best WISNIFG and remind her that her dad seems to love being alcohol and being broken than her own kids. Let the Mamma Bear rage guide her on this.

[–]donedreadpirate[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great advice thank you. My wife has been one of the biggest enablers. She is always there to fix things.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

This guy sounds familiar.

I'll bet my hairline that he's the kind of man who thinks you need to fight your dad to become a man. I'm guessing very resentful of his plow horse status, and I wouldn't doubt he gets constant low level disrespect and insolence from the MIL.

Most guys I knew growing up were like that, and at the time I never understood why. This is the kind of thing a guy without a MAP and the loss of male spaces can become, bitter, lashing out etc. It's not PTSD, that doesn't make you angry, it's flight or fight on steroids.

I wouldn't doubt as you become more of a man, the same as guys here start to loath their wives, he sees in you all the failures of himself, and would probably be happy if you mirrored him, misery loves company.

It's difficult to get out of too. Generally, no one cares when a man is in pain, and our ways of coping make it easier not to. Add to that he may not want to get better, and it's almost a situation where you just want the guy to go die in a ditch somewhere, and stop burdening everyone else...

Of course, back when he was the good little earner, it never came up, bad times all around.

I guess the question is, do you offer him a lifeline, or do you give him enough rope to hang himself with?

Also, thank god someone else loves money shots. For a while there, everyone was all pro finishing inside... thought I was weird there for a minute

[–]logger1234 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll bet my hairline that he's the kind of man who thinks you need to fight your dad to become a man. I'm guessing very resentful of his plow horse status, and I wouldn't doubt he gets constant low level disrespect and insolence from the MIL.

That's what I was thinking. I went crazy when bluepill. I thought I was doing everything right, paying all the bills, doing what was asked, giving then anything they wanted (wife+kids) and yet the disrespect just kept increasing and we went from DeadBedroom to DeadAffection to ConstantHarpy.

I couldn't figure out WHAT was going wrong. One night after my wife slept in a different room, I searched her stuff, looking for something. Either the lingerie for the other guy or else the email to her mother explaining her guilt for treating me or horribly or ... something.

She didn't cheat.

I was the problem.

It took me awhile to figure that out.

My initial guess is that FIL is in a similar state. And yes, I used to sit and stare, angry, trying to figure out what to say, slowly realizing that anything I could say would be misunderstood and spat back out and things would get worse.

I. Was. The. Problem.

FIL probably is too, no?

Or maybe I'm just projecting. :-)

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sure you've been around here long enough. Guys are fairly similar. thousand guys, 3 different stories

[–]donedreadpirate[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In some ways. But his wife does all the finances and works full time. He is just a stream of money. She actually gives him allowance which he blows on beer and weed. He does not own his shit. Not even close. And yeah she is always shit testing him and has no respect for him it's pathetic.

[–]donedreadpirate[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Jesus do you know him? He made me punch him when I was 18 to "prove I could protect his daughter". Retarded. I was just as bad for complying. You're right though, lifeline or rope. And yeah these issues have surfaced the more successful and attractive I become. Money shots 4 lyf.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

He was my step father, replace military with working in the bush.

If it helps, I went with rope. I will say this, after I stood up to him, he did like me from then on, too bad it isn't reciprocal, though my reasons would be different than yours are.

Keep in mind, I wouldn't be too harsh, call it stupid and hand wave it away. Strength has a strong effect in getting men on board, we often had fights in behind the dumpsters in a foreign port, or in the old days at 'Tillers Flats' where the bosses would go and sort out a disagreement.

Don't take this as advice, but in your place, I'd probably fight him, and I never fight.. Keep it out of earshot of the women though, they freak out and get in the way.

[–]donedreadpirate[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

On a similar note, I'm starting boxing/BJJ/MMA training next week. Will pick my favorite from there and specialize.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Whats your weight class? I mention becuase I was about 200 when I started MMA. Had to lump me in with everyone 200+. And the big new guys are lumbering clumbsy bastards. Once hurt me so bad I couldn't breathe without pain.

For injury sake, if you're heavy, but not super heavy, MMA may be better coming in from another art, instead of starting at square 1.

[–]donedreadpirate[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

190-195. After a bulk, over 200.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, the good thing I find about rolling with the big guys, they always leave enough space to manouvre. Just be prepared to get hurt, unless they only pair you with guys further along.

[–]coolred8611 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If only I would have known this before I got hitched...

[–]whatsupz 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you never clarified, are you banging your MIL?

[–]nastynickdr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You are making a problem out of something that is not your problem. Really, you called HIM out for the way he treated HIS wife? Dude. If hes a psychopath / PTSD veteran its his problem. If you want to help him, tell your wife to talk to him about seeing a psychiatrist, and thats it, then its up to him to see one or not.

Just ghost the fuck out of your FIL and MIL and get out of that drama. I ghosted some of my ex-LTR relatives for a lot less than that and I was still a BP bitch.

When your wife goes visit them, you just dont come along. If they visit your wife at your house and there is ANY drama towards you, you calmly tell them they should leave, and if things start to get ugly call the cops, you can bet your ass they are not gonna want to visit your house again. If there is ANY aggression shown towards your children, they are not allowed to visit them as well. You let their drama affect you, and thats your fault.

[–]ramblemnMarried 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ghosting inlaws is like a hot shower after a long filthy day.

Wife on the phone: When i heard my name mentioned on the phone, by my loudmouth SIL, my ears perked for a second, and then i phased that shit right out of my head.

it took about 3 hours before wife brought up her conversation on the phone to tell me that SIL said "I (me) was useless as her own kids because i didn't drive 1.2 hours to sheetrock the niece's attic"

( niece has 3 brothers, a dad, and a husband..)

i replied with, "what do you with dinner, broc or sprouts?" and slapped her ass as i walked by.

It really does work.

[–]donedreadpirate[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was years ago man and yeah I'm ghosting.

[–]PineleroMarried 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

FFM with mother? Don't root through the garbage of their life.

[–]donedreadpirate[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Was a joke, I'm not seriously trying to coordinate FFM with her mom.

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

HB?

[–]donedreadpirate[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

6.8

[–]stonepimpletilistsHARD CORE NAVY RED 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One could do worse

[–]PineleroMarried 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll have to edit my original statement now...

[–]Terribledragon4Hire -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why don't you go talk to him man to man?

[–]ScurvemuchMRP APPROVED 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

there was only one man there