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Mike Cernovich is a creepy dude who likes to lie about things. So many things, that it is hard to keep track of them. He is so constantly wrong about everything, that it would actually be weird if words came out of his mouth and were true. He tries to convince people that Pizzagate is real and Hillary Clinton has Parkinson’s disease and date rape isn’t real and women are a real threat to ethics in games journalism. All while living comfortably off of alimony from his ex-wife.

And last night, he appeared on 60 minutes during a segment on “fake news”:

During his interview, anchor Scott Pelley attempted to give him several opportunities to at least admit that he didn’t know for a fact that the things he was saying were true, which he did not avail himself of. He still believes that Hillary Clinton has Parkinson’s, he says, because he doesn’t believe that she just had pneumonia. Because she said she had pneumonia, and a doctor who hasn’t treated her said she might have Parkinson’s, and he doesn’t believe anything she says, therefore the Parkinson’s thing is definitely true.

“They’re not lies at all. One hundred percent true,” he told Pelley. “I don’t say anything that I don’t believe.”

He claims he “knows things” and understands how everything works, because he’s a lawyer. Which would, I suppose, make sense if all 1.22 million of the other lawyers in the United States also believed all the weird stuff he says is true, but I do not think that is the case! I can name several lawyers I know, off the top of my head, who do not think Hillary Clinton has Parkinson’s disease or is participating in child sex trafficking out of a pizzeria dungeon.

However, having spent an ungodly amount of time listening to Cernovich for research purposes, I can honestly say that I do think he believes the things he says. I think he believes he has some kind of special insight into things that other people don’t have, because he, very clearly, believes he is special to begin with. He’s also constantly surrounded by a buffer of other people who believe he’s right about everything. If you have a bunch of people constantly telling you that you are right, you probably have no reason to believe you are wrong.

He’s not unlike the burgeoning number of Flat Earthers. People aren’t just “flat earthers” because they believe the world is flat. The primary draw there is feeling like you and all your other friends are so very clever that you have figured something out that no “expert” could previously do. You are smarter than the so-called experts, who have the gall to call you stupid and poorly informed. That feels better than just agreeing with the “experts.”

Have you ever watched Donald Trump? Yeah.

It’s also the appeal of Alex Jones. Jones actually semi-apologized this weekend for Infowars’ part in Pizzagate, but did so by blaming other media outlets and trying to suggest that they took it as seriously as he did. Which, Breitbart aside, they did not.

We’ve all known people who believe these kinds of things, and the number one characteristic they possess is smugness. Also they tend to be people we have always thought of as “not too swift.” “Do your research!” they proclaim, as if they are so much smarter and better at looking things up than you are. More often than not, this “research” involves watching YouTube videos of people like Cernovich coming up with absurd theories that make no sense. But being “in the know” — especially when you are someone that people have never thought of as an intellectual powerhouse — is a powerful, powerful drug. One that people like Cernovich and his followers are not going to give up easily.

I am going to guess that Scott Pelley is not familiar with these kind of tendencies, judging by how deeply confused he was by Cernovich’s insistence upon believing his own lies. He’s a lucky, lucky man.

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  • MynameisBlarney

    Why give that stupid fucking gobshite a motherfucking MILLISECOND of airtime?!?!?!

    • Wild Cat

      Because Leslie Moonvees says it’s good for ratings, the asswipe.

    • tehbaddr

      It’s a show! Entertainment!

  • BearDeLaOursistance

    CERNovich? That’s the agency that runs the Derp Accelerator, right?

    • Nounverb911

      Particle Physicist libelz!

      • BearDeLaOursistance

        If they’re looking for the Island of Instability, they’ve found it at atomic number 45.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      What a boson!

      • AJ Milne

        There are bogon emitters…

        … and then there are immense, inconceivably dense, rapidly spinning bodies composed entirely of degenerate, collapsed, pure bogosity.

        (Now and then conventional bits of reality, ripped violently by the immense tidal gravity from another nearby body, fall onto the surface of such an object, and are annihilated, in a titanic flash of malicious distortion… We call this a Breitbart flare.)

    • arglebargle

      He does employ circular reasoning. Loopy, you might say..

    • memzilla Ω

      Hadrons gonna hade.

      • (Major_Major_Major)ly_Pissed

        Particle accelerators give me a hadron.

        • eggsacklywright

          Especially when those singularities are naked. Ooh baby. Mass coronal ejection.

        • Rags

          More than I want to know about your strange bottom.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        If you knew a guy named Clyde who worked at the CERN Hadron Super Collider, you’d pretty much have to call him Super Clyde, wouldn’t you?

    • tehbaddr

      Collusion not collision!

    • eggsacklywright

      Smashing the Addoms of truth.

    • pragmatist3

      That;s the DEEP Accelerator. It makes the Deep State run faster.

    • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

      CERNovich only explores dark matters though.

  • Nounverb911

    “They’re not lies at all. One hundred percent true,” he told Pelley. “I don’t say anything that I don’t believe.”

    I know this man was born without a brain.

    • MynameisBlarney

      “It’s not a lie if you believe it”

      G. Costanza

    • h4rr4r

      Here is what confused me, truth does not care what you believe.

      • BearDeLaOursistance

        “Beauty is truth, Truth beauty / But she is too old, and she’s only a 9.” — Ode on a Russian Plant

        • Lance Thrustwell

          {bows} A non-comment of the highest caliber – made of sturdy timber, well cut and fit, sir.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Looks like somebody called for an earthshart.

  • Msgr_MΩment

    A. Jones. The ‘A’ stands for ‘A Idiot’.

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    And last night, he appeared on 60 minutes during a segment on “fake news”

    Why–is CBS News trying to become the go-to source for fake news? JFC…

    • Oblios_Cap

      Pretty much. They rode the KaC horse pretty hard, and insist on showing Luntz’s ugly mug a lot.

    • clubseal

      It’s sadly, and apparently, very lucrative. They won’t admit it, but I bet that they want in on some of that sleazy cash.

  • ManchuCandidate

    Like Nicolas Cage in National Treasure or any “hero” of a Dan Brown “novel.” He won’t let facts or reason or logic or lack of evidence stop him in his quest to find the Lost Ark of The Pederast.

    https://m.popkey.co/5ba688/MwZYz.gif

    • tehbaddr

      It’s under the Comet Ping Pong!

    • ZangoCrudmonger

      Top men!!!1!

  • DerrickWildcat

    I heard he was to married to Alex Jones.

    • Wild Cat

      I heard it was anuled because he didn’t have an anus.

      • Prof. T. Green Bastard

        What’s that thing on his face making fart sounds, then?

        • Wild Cat

          His cojoined twin, Cerny Cernovich.

          • OneYieldRegular

            They are so completely cojoined that they appear to be a single person. I read it in one of those gross medical anomaly textbooks.

  • Wild Cat

    Ain’t watched that shitshow in 30+ years and ain’t no reason to ever return to it.

  • ibwilliamsi

    Lots of blinking going on there.

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    Seems to me a good attorney willing to do pro-bono work could make a good case for libel here.

  • “They’re not lies at all. One hundred percent true,” he told Pelley. “I don’t say anything that I don’t believe.”

    This is not how truth works. Belief has no effect on what is true.

    I can believe quite fervently that Emma Stone wants to copulate with me like a pair of horny wild rabbits, but this sadly does not make it so.

    For something to be true, it must align with the available facts and evidence that is available to us. Belief is irrelevant.

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      It’s the Costanza defense.

      • jaspersdad

        “If he (trump) doesn’t know it’s a lie, it isn’t.”

        KA Conway

      • PubOption

        Also used in Burwell vs Hobby Lobby.

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨
    • arglebargle

      It’s no small coincidence that over 40% of scientists are agnostic, at best, as opposed to only 4% of the general populace. (according to Pew)

      http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

    • Oblios_Cap

      Sorry about the Emma Stone thing…

      • Eh, who knows? Maybe she’ll get tired of being with really handsome guys and get really into guys who look like they might have spent some time in a cabin in Montana writing a manifesto.

    • Lance Thrustwell

      She does! I just spoke to her. All you need to do is go hang around in the bushes by her house. She’ll come to you!

      • Oh, no. Last time you said that Jennifer Lawrence wanted me to use gasoline to burn my name on her front lawn and all I got was probation, a fine, and a restraining order.

    • Jim Johnson

      Beliefs are thoughts that we hold as true even though we don’t understand them. Faith is a closely related mode of delusional thinking.

      • Rags

        And Trump is 11 dimensional extragalactic delusional thinking

    • goonemeritus

      Have you considered that Emma may well be waiting for you to pickup the phone?

  • memzilla Ω

    This is not just an article which doesn’t use the phrase “Dunning-Kruger Syndrome” to describe someone who has Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, it’s an article about someone who has an aggressive, advanced, and infectious case of Dunning Kruger Syndrome. Which we can now label as the Cernovich Sub-Variant of Dunning Kruger Syndrome.

  • Prof. T. Green Bastard

    His pig eyes are too close together in his stupid flat face. I hate that.

  • snark-lurker

    the kind of mug that made want to put a Babe Ruth in his mouth with a baseball bat

  • tehbaddr

    Dude should be committed.

    • Liberoid Ron

      He sounds quite committed to me.
      Oh, wait, I see what you’re getting at.

  • Oblios_Cap

    Being an intellectual powerhouse, I can confidently state that Cernovich is talking out of his ass.

    And, from his name, he appears to be part of the Russian team who hacked our election.

  • C4TWOMAN

    He is so constantly wrong about everything, that it would actually be weird if words came out of his mouth and were true.

    This is why IMHO he knows he’s lying and it’s to support an agenda. otherwise he’d be right about half the time just due to chance.

  • clubseal

    “I don’t say anything that I don’t believe.”
    And that is what, his standard for what makes things true? Actually, yeah, I believe that, given how many people on the internet think that because they say something is true, it is.

    • osceola

      The George Costanza Rule: It’s not a lie if you believe it’s true.

  • OrG

    WHY IS THIS FUCKWAD ON 60 MINUTES ?

    • God Emperor Emeritus

      Teach the controversy!

    • OneYieldRegular

      Why is 60 MINUTES on 60 MINUTES?, for that matter.

      • Lascauxcaveman

        Actually it’s more 44 minutes + commercials. Sometimes the commercials are pretty good.

    • C4TWOMAN

      There is a benefit to giving these people plenty of rope on national tv.
      1. they can’t complain the MSM/NWO/FED is suppressing them.
      2.They might make fools of themselves on camera, meaning a lot of investigative research will be unnecessary
      3. People are informed of their batshit and how far it’s invaded the public sphere. Considering this nutters connections to Gamergate, that needs to be highlighted.

      There are plenty more. I’m okay with it as long as its not a puff piece with softball questions.

      • Liberoid Ron

        1. They will anyway.
        2. They always do, but that doesn’t seem to affect anyone’s opinion.
        3. This often attracts MORE True Believers.

        • C4TWOMAN

          I respectfully disagree. IF it is done correctly, it gives more information. Done incorrectly, of course, produces the results you list. But that only happens when the interview is uncritical and/or lets the guest use the spot as a propaganda platform.

          Years ago, during the credit card and electricity scandals [who’s names I can’ remember], they had the architects of those scams on 60 mins and it was the best thing that could happen.

          The suit from Enron(?) was dressed down in polo shirt and slacks and looking Serious and Concerned while he disagreed with the interviewer about electricity being a necessity in the modern world and tried not looking like a heartless bastard while doing it.

          In another show, one of the credit card “0 down” swindlers virtually smirked through the segment whilst answering very few questions.
          It was quite educational. So if it’s done right, it does educate the public.

  • Saxo the Grammarian

    These are interesting times we live in.

  • Villago Delenda Est

    It’s “lawyers” like Cernovich who make all lawyers the butt of unkind jokes.

    • BearDeLaOursistance

      Esteemed Mr. or Ms. Est: As counsel for Sir Philip Mixalot, it is my duty to inform you that this statement may constitute butt libelz.

    • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

      Larry Klayman libelz.

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Wait – Robyn, you seem to be familiar with Cernovich’s type. Are you saying that you’re… ‘in the know’? Have special knowledge? Hm? Is that it? Hmm?

    Nobody knows anything! That’s the only defensible position. And I don’t even know that. Know what I mean?

  • DoILookAmused2u? Résistance☨

    Where’s that rich billionaire dude who funded the Hulk Hogan libel case against Gawker?

    Seems there is an easy fix for this dude.

  • Zonath

    The Republican mental health agenda continues apace; Reagan closed down the mental hospitals and then Trump scored them all positions in the government and media.

  • Mpeg

    Does he kiss his momma with that lyin’, braggin-about-lyin’ and disingenuous mouth?

    • Prof. T. Green Bastard

      No, he only lets his momma kiss him (top of the head only, ma!) cuz he’s not a beta cuck.

  • Crystalclear12

    Stupid is a weed that grows deep and if you don’t get all of it just grows back.

  • Martini Ambassador 🍸

    “I believe it, therefore it is true.”

    The mating cry of the entitled white male narcissist, in his natural habitat. Look at the stunning plumage!

  • HazooToo

    More important than this dipshit, but still OT! https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/846413271548747777

    • Lascauxcaveman

      It’s aboot time, eh? My Canadian marijuana stocks have just been sitting there, lately. Took nice little jump today, though.

    • Jennifer R

      Gonna cut the US out of the market totally.

      • Liberoid Ron

        I predict a sudden increase in travel between border cities. And a HUGE increase in drug arrests on the way back.

      • HazooToo

        Tourism is going to boom, there, too. That is, if they don’t make it illegal to try to come back to America from Canada.

    • Liberoid Ron

      Dammit, Justin, you promised THIS year.

    • Rags

      Dear Canada,

      We surrender. In 2018.

      Sincerely,

      America

  • Um, dude, there’s a big difference between belief and facts.

    • Liberoid Ron

      Not to them. No difference at all.

  • fawkedifiknow

    Have you noticed how liars lie to themselves, too?

  • Biel_ze_Bubba

    He must have been a very shitty lawyer – no wonder he was forced to find another line of “work”.

    • Pilotshark

      him and Orly was study buddy’s.

    • Prof. T. Green Bastard

      Yeah, shitposting from beside his GF’s parent’s pool. Must be nice.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    Can Cernovich explain why Trump hasn’t fixed the chemtrails?

    • OrG

      Who knew chemtrails were so complicated?

  • Rager

    The man is fucking insane. As in “mentally ill”. Why is he on the TV and not receiving the treatment he so obviously needs?

    • Why is he getting air time?

      • Liberoid Ron

        Why did Donnie get votes?

    • clubseal

      Probably the same reason there’s a guy in my town who shits in public places when somebody makes him mad, and he gets arrested three or four times a week.
      In other words, mental health services, like infrastructure, is a low priority for too many in this country.

      • Liberoid Ron

        I thought tossing crazy people in jail WAS your mental health service these days.

    • Jennifer R

      Because we don’t have a solid reasonable nationwide Lanterman–Petris–Short Act.

  • Crystalclear12
  • ~ ☆ míkhαílα ☆ ~ 【忠実反抗】

    WHY IS THIS OBVIOUSLY CRAZY MAN NOT BEING TREATED FOR HIS OBVIOUS CRAZINESS??

    • TJ Barke

      The short answer is Ronald Reagan.

  • canes_pugnaces

    Scum rises.

  • TJ Barke

    He sounds like he’s perfect for a post in this administration.

  • C4TWOMAN


    But being “in the know” — especially when you are someone that people have never thought of as an intellectual powerhouse — is a powerful, powerful drug. One that people like Cernovich and his followers are not going to give up easily.

    While I maintain these people know they are lying, this still applies, and perhaps that makes it worse. The one raging narcissist conartist I knew was well educated, and came from a middle class supportive(I’d say bordering on enabling) family. But she was socially awkward and liked to think of herself as the smartest person in the room. As far as I can tell she got by in life by looking hapless, playing on people’s sympathy, yet wanted to also be recognized for her “intellect”. Which included insisting the Martian sky was bright blue and the Moon landings probably didn’t happen. She loved science fiction, and thought she was smarter than those fantasy readers, cluelessly being unaware of the Ven diagram of those groups is almost a circle.

    Looking back, if there was one thing that was consistent, it was a terror of being found out or proven wrong. And that’s where Cernovich and his ilk are really coming from, IMO: they think they’re entitled to be seen right even when they’re wrong. Malignant narcissism on high octane fuel.

  • elviouslyqueer

    I guess I missed the sections of the interview where Cernovich demonstrated any credibility, knowledge, or actual sanity.

    • Martini Ambassador 🍸

      Bar too high, friend.

  • WiscoJoe

    My Tea Party Uncle © is exactly like this. He’s the kind of guy who is constantly losing his money in get-rich-quick schemes and failed real estate deals, but always has some conspiracy theory handy to explain away his failures rather than admit that maybe he’s an easy mark.

    We all kind of just tolerate it, because he’s also a recovering alcoholic and we figure this dry drunk red pill shit is probably better than him drinking himself to death. Also, we worry that if we confront him about being a self-righteous moron he’ll just get triggered and start drinking again. If you ask me his delusion is being enabled by political correctness run amok, which is kind of ironic because he’d be the first person to go on an unhinged rant about how political correctness is destroying his life.

    • C4TWOMAN

      There’s so much irony there, sound like none of you will have to take iron supplements for the rest of your lives!

      • WiscoJoe

        Gurl, I thrive on irony.

        Also… He’s the kind of guy that is always lecturing people about how they need to “join the flock” and accept Christ into their lives (through the crazy rightwing authoritarian evangelical church of his choice), while also accusing anyone who veers from his own viewpoints as being “sheeple.”

        • C4TWOMAN

          Isn’t that one precious? “If you’re not doing what I say, the way I say it, YOU are a sheep!”

          Dude, I can’t even….

    • Lance Thrustwell

      And sometimes, every now and then, men like your uncle actually get lucky and make some money. That’s when the real trouble starts.

      • WiscoJoe

        He’s had his ups and downs. He owns an insurance agency which provides a steady income. Plus, like most people with this mindset he’s heavily leveraged with a wide-variety of debt. If he ever were to get lucky and make some big money, he’d probably blow it all on another scheme and then get further into debt, which would only increase his confidence that the “globalists” are trying to destroy his life. Must be tough.

    • goonemeritus

      Just between us, is this sober incarnation of your uncle really preferable?

    • The Flaming Carrot

      Your Tea Party Uncle © sounds exactly like my RWNJ pseudo father-in-law © . He even lives in Wisco. But he’s nobody’s uncle.

    • badtonto

      Werd, WiscoJoe. I feel ya. You keep your mouth shut and let it slide because the one time you DID get fed up and actually challenge them on it, it caused a meltdown so severe that it actually served to drive them further into the fold.

      Thing is though, I think that many actual journalists and legitimate media outlets, being of rational mind like you and I, see this fake news mongering as a peripheral phenomenon. I mean, who’s family doesn’t have that batshit crazy uncle or in law or whatever, right? I’m not sure that the MM realize how truly pandemic this really is. You keep reassuring yourself that anyone with sound mind couldn’t reasonably believe this kind of crap but when you see that ‘unhinged’ look in the eyes of one of your love ones when they’re spouting off about this tripe, it’s shocking because you can see that they’re actually ‘white knuckling’ it and will continue to do so even with bloody fingers. It has literally become their ‘raison d’être’…It’s truly alarming.

  • pragmatist3

    If he said he didn’t believe it his susceptibility to libel suits would increase. He layered up.

    • JustDon’tSayMicrowave

      iswydt

  • Jennifer R

    Hope they both get sued to hell.

  • Vincent Ricola

    “They’re not lies at all. One hundred percent true,” he told Pelley. “I don’t say anything that I don’t believe.”

    Sure guy. That sounds legit.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d3c5ff210f4a5cc936409cd5b75c6fe5fdd99577e59b9f594d8b6d3892adf991.jpg

  • Randy Riddle

    Wait … fake news is now on the real news? I’m confused.

    • JustDon’tSayMicrowave

      Maybe this can help: It’s 60 Minutes. Therefore not real news.

  • Anna Rompage

    When you have to tell the guests of the party you are hosting not to show their nazi salutes when Trump walks in the door, you probably don’t have much credibility, and should likely rethink your brand…

    BTW, someone should punch this nazi in the face with a rusty chainsaw…

    • The Flaming Carrot

      (of votes.)

  • nightmoth

    I haven’t watched 60 Minutes in years, but it appears to have joined the slide into the Fox toilet along with CNN, if they’re legitimizing this doofus by giving him the dignity of a fucking interview. I’m beginning to wish that ALL the teevee stations went off the air at midnight and test patterns were all you could see. The hungry maw of 24/7 content always needs feeding, so this is the poisonous junk we get.

    • Anna Elizabeth, Tifosi Suprema

      I don’t watch TV news at all anymore, unless you count “Formula One Prerace.”

      I just do Teh Wonket, and a couple other sites, and if I hear some big thing, I do check Reuters.

      • nightmoth

        You’re a woman after my own heart–same here.
        Sometimes I look at British news to get their take on us.

        • Anna Elizabeth, Tifosi Suprema

          That’s not a bad idea, Beeb, or Sky?

          • nightmoth

            Beeb. I found out how different it is from American news when we visited London 15 years ago and watched it in our hotel room. They were showing a riot in Israel, but instead of showing a quick clip with a sound bite, the video ran for about 5 minutes so you got to see for yourself how the whole thing developed. BBC seems to assume that its viewers have functioning brains. Wow!

          • Anna Elizabeth, Tifosi Suprema

            I’ll look, I think I have Beeb on my package. :) That sounds like actual news!

          • stray_bullett

            Some cable packages come with a channel called MHz which has english speaking news from all sorts of countries, France, Japan, Korea, India, Afghanistan and more. Plus they feature great european detective shows in the evening. German, Italian, German detective show done in Italy, Swedish, Norwegian, Swiss, you name it. All with subtitles, but still a lot of fun to watch.

          • Anna Elizabeth, Tifosi Suprema

            Oooh, that’d be cool. I love subtitled movies. I’ll check. :)

          • Parakeetist

            I like MHZ.

        • Grumpy Twat

          We are both fascinated (like onlookers at a car crash, not in a healthy way, naturally) and completely fucking bewildered.
          I thought Brexit was a shit show full of bare-faced mendacity, but with you guys, wow,it’s a whole different game.

    • JustDon’tSayMicrowave

      They’ve been there since the 80’s, at least, maybe longer. The sensationalism just reeks. Fuck them with Nilson votes.

      • Liberoid Ron

        I can tell you almost to the day when that started – when they began doing celebrity puff pieces for their second story.

    • badtonto

      Actually, I thought 60 minutes did a pretty good job of it… They started off the hour interviewing the guy who owned Comet Ping Pong pizzeria. Like most of us, I had a good laugh at the utter ridiculousness of this story when it first came out but when you hear him talk about the truckloads of heinous horse shit he had to endure because of this fake news story, see the anguish in his face, hear it in his voice, it would break even the most cynical of hearts (as it did mine). Good Lord in heaven, I hope his lawsuit bankrupts Alex Jones and people like this drip, Cernovich. It would indeed be a day of rejoicing.

      • nightmoth

        I’m glad they got across the damage this lie did. Media lies have to be stopped: somehow, some way!

  • Randy Riddle

    Has anyone thought to send this guys postcards with no return address that read “They’re on to you – go into hiding right now!”

    • AnnieGetYerFun

      In Soviet America, pizza slice you!

  • janecita

    Poor guy, he is trying to pull the “crazy eyed,” wingnut face, but he has those itty-bitty eyes! Sad:-(

  • (((fka_donnie_d)))

    And guess what. The YouTube comments nailed it. Now this guy looks like a martyr underdog sticking it to Big Media, which is what he wanted all along. 60 minutes fucked up bad. The quixotic quest of MSM to understand Trump voters is going to drag us much deeper into the swamp than we could ever have gotten by ourselves.

    What we need, in terms of Big Think, is how the internet got so fucked up (and fucked us up so bad) that Bannon is in the white house and this clown is on 60 minutes.

    • Boscoe

      I still blame generations of republicans making cuts to education budgets…

      • (((fka_donnie_d)))

        Yea um

        a) Cernovich would have a huge platform before the internet?

        a) My one blanket policy is “log in your own eye”. Whatever responsibility tech ppl bear for this bullshit (even if it is the minority) we need to own it.

        • I do not think he would have had a huge platform before the internet, no.
          Also, no one owes responsibility for education cuts save Republicans, since about 1964 or so.

          • (((fka_donnie_d)))

            I didn’t say tech people were responsible for education problems, only internet problems.

    • JustDon’tSayMicrowave

      Because 60 Minutes has sucked since forever. Just as bad as the National Enquirer, just using better enunciation, and sometimes not that. Any show that thought Andy Rooney was funny can suck it.

      • (((fka_donnie_d)))

        Sadly doesn’t change the fact that Cernovich, which was on his way to being a has-been, got the media equivalent of a defibrillator.

        • stray_bullett

          Eggz-zackly. What were they thinking. Perhps though they were thinking that if we put these creators of fake news on mainstream news, people will see how truly deranged they are. Problem is their fans already so firmly believe in the claptrap that it actually acts like confirmation. “He wouldn’t lie about that stuff on national tv” ad nauseum.

    • Dude, even if 60 minutes had handed this guy his ass on a plate, his fans would still howl about conspiracies and cover ups and look how good our boy did.
      It is sort of what they do.

      • (((fka_donnie_d)))

        You’re absolutely correct. Which is a perfect reason not to ask him on in the first place.

  • Anna Elizabeth, Tifosi Suprema

    I’m BiPolar and have PTSD, and I’ve gotten into a conspiracy-mindset in the past. I am fascinated by UFOs as a phenomenon, and it’s a short trip from there into the rabbit hole. JFK, Nazis, those kinds of things.

    But the hate stuffs is what drove me away from that, I can say the haters saved me, by driving me away from the crazy.

    • Boscoe

      That’s actually a tool i use all the time; look at the people who are trying to convince you of something. No one can know every detail of every possible thing, but when some crazy person tries to tell me that everyone from Newton to NASA is part of a massive conspiracy, I look at who is telling me this, and then I find out who told THEM that, and usually somewhere in the chain is an Alex Jones. :D

      • Anna Elizabeth, Tifosi Suprema

        Indeed. The best psychotherapist I ever had taught me to “Reality-check”, and it’s a big help.

        I learned a lot of this from dad. You couldn’t pick up a .50 cent piece without drawing a diatribe about the JFK Assassination from him, and from there he worried about Satanic rock music and alls that. So I still have to de-program myself.

        • Boscoe

          That’s rough. One of the primary traits of conspiracy consumers is that they need to convince others in order to “validate” their beliefs. It is not enough for them to keep their crazy to themselves. Note that this is also what fuels religions…

          • Anna Elizabeth, Tifosi Suprema

            Yes! Dad was Southern Baptist, Apocalyptic, all that. We had “Crossfire” and “The Late, Great Planet Earth” next to the Bible, we’d watch “In Search Of”, so this was all normal to me.

    • badtonto

      Mazeltov Anna, mazeltov!! ;)

      • Anna Elizabeth, Tifosi Suprema

        Thank you, truly. It’s all a work-in-progress, but I have to try to get better, right?

        • badtonto

          Yep; damn right, Anna! 🤗

          I’ve been there and part of what got me through it is knowing that hope truly does spring eternal… it really, REALLY duz! 🤓

          • Anna Elizabeth, Tifosi Suprema

            I could ~hug~ you :)

            It does indeed. :) I hit rock-bottom in January, but since then, everything is better -new home, new neighborhood, new friends, sex life – everything!

          • badtonto

            Awww! 🤗🎉👍
            … now you’re getting me a little bit verklempt and I HATE it when people do that to me! 😉

          • Anna Elizabeth, Tifosi Suprema

            I’s verklempt too, also. :)

    • The Flaming Carrot

      I’m just depressed. That sounds like a tough row to hoe.

      • Anna Elizabeth, Tifosi Suprema

        Depression is tough too.

        I’m surviving, trying to do better. :) I’m free of my abusive family, so life is much easier.

  • azeyote

    isn’t someone missing from Bellevue a concern to anyone ?

  • puredog

    I finally watched the video. I do believe Mr. C is, in fact, unhinged. As has been sung in a different context, he got da look.

    • Gregory Brown

      I don’t think so. He IS a waste of skin and an oxygen thief, but when Pelley asked him if he was going to say he believed it for marketing purposes, I think Old Scott hit ye nail upon ye head. Of course Chernodouche was going to deny it, because to admit it would indeed be bad for his “brand.”

  • Me not sure
  • janecita

    I took a look at his Twitter feed, and he is busy talking shit about Malia Obama, and how Trump is a way better father than Barack Obama.

    • Gregory Brown

      Well, to my knowledge, Obama has never hinted that he wanted to have sex with his daughter.

  • Boscoe

    Thank you for absolutely nailing the flat earthers. I’ve watched a fair number of their youtube videos in a desperate attempt to figure out what is wrong with those people, and all i could come to are the same conclusions you did. It is simply THAT important to them to feel like they’ve outsmarted somebody obviously smarter than them. To be the whistleblowers on a MASSIVE conspiracy of “science” to keep them from feeling special by trying to convince them that there are other planets and that they are all round.

    These are people SO STOOPID, that they’ll take pictures of space stuff with their i-phones’ super zoom function, sharpen the resulting blurry mess, and then say “see? PROOF! Those other planets are FAKE NEWS! These pics don’t look ANYTHING like Jupiter!”

    I’m still waiting for one of those geniuses to explain how sunsets work if the sun is tiny, only 3,000 miles above us, and moving back and forth over a flat plane.

    I’m just hoping there’s a very large crossover between MGTOW and Flat-Earth so they’ll give our species a fighting chance by removing themselves from the gene pool.

  • Not going to watch this but did they address Cernovich targeting his enemies by accusing them of pedophilia?

    Trump-video-maker Vic Berger made fun of Cernovich on twitter. Cenovich reverted to his go-to tactic– planting stories on multiple sites and ordering his fans to attack VB’s family, showering them with death threats online and at their jobs.

  • BearLeft

    While the California Bar is known to admit toadstools and, well, in this case other stool, still … nowhere on your JD, dude, does it say your shit doesn’t stink. Nowhere.

    • Gregory Brown

      The California Bar admitted, and so far has not ejected, superlawyer Larry Klayman.

  • Bitter Scribe

    Maybe this guy will eventually run out of his ex-wife’s money and have to go to work and stop annoying us.

    • Gregory Brown

      He’ll never make it as a lawyer.

  • The Wanderer

    I’m surprised. This guy gets an article to himself and no one has put this up yet:

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a4ea8f326dc316ff1da6e1b699fc8655a946a718b5ed16051064afb4f97f8bbd.jpg

    You’re welcome.

    • FukuiSanYesOta

      Never gets old.

      • Résistance Land Shark Ω

        Brolly Bunny: A Wonkette Tradition Since 1887!

    • JustDon’tSayMicrowave

      I was about to. Good thing I scrolled down.

  • badtonto

    I saw the segment on 60 minutes last night. This guy is a used condom of a human being. There are fewer that I’ve ever encountered who deserve to suck on a bag of dicks as much as he.

    • Rags

      Obligatory – Prophylactic libelz!
      You are welcome.

  • aureolaborealis

    I was just thinking this morning about how the doctors I knew before they were doctors, while not stupid, do not place at all in the list of the smartest people I have known (the fact that I work at a research university makes this list a little harder to get onto). They were the most aggressive, most ambitious, and least susceptible to self-doubt people I knew, but never the smartest. One of them, a successful surgeon, would even fall into the frighteningly (given her job) dull category. I think we should probably include lawyers in this, although I have an ex who is a lawyer, and is one of the smartest people I have known.

    • (((fka_donnie_d)))

      Dunning Kruger

    • Red Bird Ω

      That’s because those two professions have been designated high respect, high earning professions. They attract competitive people who are chasing money and prestige but aren’t necessarily passionate about the work. You don’t have to be smart to force your way into a profession like that.

    • FukuiSanYesOta

      Smartest guy I ever met – MD, PhD at 27, Rhodes Scholar – was seriously nice and down to earth. That’s who I want doing doctoring.

    • Gregory Brown

      Even doctors despise surgeons. Their saying about their surgeon brethren and sistren: Often in error, never in doubt. Also, my brother, a psychiatrist, and a damn good one, always had a view on the bright side. “Just remember,” he used to say, “that the doctor treating you may have graduated at the bottom of his medical school class.”

  • Red Bird Ω

    hotep/snowtep

  • JustPixelz (((Ω)))

    “They’re not lies at all. One hundred percent true,” he told Pelley. “I don’t say anything that I don’t believe.”

    HEY! This is a fun game.

    Melania calls Little Donnie’s penis “Leetle Donnie”.
    Millions of votes were illegally cast by Republicans to get Trump elected.
    Lyin’ Sean is Trump’s nickname for Sean Spicer and Sean Hannity.

    • Stulexington

      Trump thinks they’re brothers because they have the same first name.

  • Tallmutha

    You know, I don’t remember life-afflicting imbecile jackasses on this level being interviewed on broadcast news or really given any platform at all when I was a kid. I don’t remember it in the 70s either. In the eighties, people like Schlafly or Falwell were about as crazy as it got.

    WHAT THE HELL CHANGED?

    • FukuiSanYesOta

      The Internet is a double-edged sword.

      • Tallmutha

        True. As my wife is fond of saying, first television wiped out everyone’s brains, then the Internet gave them a place to brag about it.

        • Kiri the Unicorn

          Your wife seems wise.

      • HorseChestnut

        It’s let us see each other’s inner lives in ways we couldn’t before, and guess what? Everyone’s nuts. And not just the fun kind!

        • Tallmutha

          “With the Internet, we are finally able to see how ordinary people think. This has been a huge disappointment.” — Clay Shirkey

          • Kiri the Unicorn

            These days, any idiot can use a computer. Problem is, every idiot does. — KTU

    • Say, when was that pesky thing about journalisms ethics thingy thing struck down? Fairness doctrine or such what?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine

      THIS. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED AND WHEN “MY OPINION COUNTS AS MUCH AS YOUR FACT” BECAME A THING.

      • Tallmutha

        Yeah. With symbolic perfection, it was Reagan who got rid of it.

        • All of this shit, all of It, can be traced back to fucking Reagan.

          • stray_bullett

            Of course it can. Remember, he convinced people that trees cause pollution.

          • Gregory Brown

            And ketchup was a vegetable!

    • Swampgas_Man

      24 hour news. Hours to fill, eyeballs to grab. News departments becoming another branch of Entertainment, subject to ratings analysis.

      • Gregory Brown

        The news cycle used to be 24 hours. Now it’s 10 seconds.

    • Gregory Brown

      Social media.

  • SecludedCompound

    It’s funny, his nervous facial ticks and incessant tongue flicking give me the impression that he’s totally in control of himself and not at all uncomfortable with the things he’s saying.

    • Yeah I don’t think he believes this shit either. His fans do, and his fans give him money, so he has to keep upping the crazy or they will lose interest and drift off.

      • The Flaming Carrot

        It’s really great for him being the only one with a triple-digit IQ in his milieu. Just barely, though.

    • Erala Contratista

      W F Buckley’s tongue did that lizard thing on teevee back in the day

      What mean?

    • Gregory Brown

      I was waiting for him to break into uncontrollable giggling.

  • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance

    To paraphrase Sigmund Freud, sometimes a pizza is just a pizza, you stupid Cernovabitch.

  • The Rain in Spain’s Therapist
    • The Flaming Carrot

      The sad thing is that only one of these people is in jail.

    • Gregory Brown

      It helps him to focus the stupid rays that shoot from his beady eyes.

  • Tiny kaiju

    I havent had a chance to read the post yet, but based on the photo alone, some one needs to tell Mike Cernovich that he will NEVER be Ryan Reynolds, even if he stops being a humorless asshole.

  • Bub, Zombie of the Resistance
  • CATMAN

    The sad part was 60 Minutes’ pathetic attempt at equivalence by saying that fake news was done by both sides when the preponderance of evidence shows that the RWNJ’s and the Russians were behind most of it

    • The Flaming Carrot

      They have to be “fair and balanced,” because the RWNJs are accusing THEM of being the fake news. It didn’t work – the RWNJs are still saying that. This has to be the worst case of gaslighting I’ve ever seen, and the media is falling right into the trap.

  • anwisok

    Jeesus, the comments on youtube. SO . MUCH . DUMB in one place. smh.

    • Logic of Color

      Youtube comments…where thoughtful discourse goes to get stabbed in the face.

      • Doug Langley

        I’ve seen YouTube videos of cute kittens that sparked raging wars.

  • themidniteskulker

    True story – Mike Chernowitz sleeps with unshaven sailors for nickels. It’s true and I know it. Everything I type is true. And, yes, I believe everything I say. And you can’t stop me.

  • Clyde Barrow

    Assholes like Cernovich are a dime-a-dozen in Orange county. Wealthy, and shady, lawyers who are pure ideologues with notes of psychopathy and narcissism. Pathological lying and manipulative business practices only come natural to them.

  • goonemeritus

    Serial liar correctly predicts biased mainstream media will accuse him of lying.
    “Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! Help, help, I’m being repressed”!

    • whitroth

      Rulership being handed to someone by some cybernetic tart is no way to run a government.

    • Gregory Brown

      That was precious, wasn’t it?

    • The Flaming Carrot

      And before he was Silenced (c) by the system, he was Repressed (c) by Wimmenz.

  • whitroth

    We need to find something that glows blue when he’s lying, and put it on him. Then he’ll be showing his Chernovitch radiation….

  • Jgb979

    I think one of the side effects of the conservative bubble, “bullshit mountain” if you will, where the news only tells you what you want to believe is true….

    They genuinely can’t tell the difference anymore.

    Maybe the founders of bullshit mountain, Rush and the like, knew they were feeding their listeners bullshit. These second generation bullshitters are now the gen exers running the Republican Party in congress. They don’t remember how to distinguish bullshit from not bullshit, and are building the mountain even higher just to keep the cycle going.

    (Also fuck Mike Cern)

    • Gregory Brown

      Rush certainly knew he was shoveling shit.

    • The Flaming Carrot

      Oh, to live on Bullshit Mountain
      With Gorilla (TM) and the orange buffoon
      You can’t be lucid on Bullshit Mountain
      Or you’ll be bitten by a baboon

  • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

    This guy really believes this bullshit and he’s doing nothing but whine? What kind of sociopath is he? WAIT WAIT Don’t answer…Doh.

  • disqus_lWwzrwNaw6

    These people are all so random and so crazy. But we already knew that, and this isn’t the story that needs to be told.

    I think it would be a whole bunch more productive if CBS news readers like gorgeous Scott Pelley would stop interviewing right wing nut jobs and do an interview with their very own CEO, Les Moonves, instead.

    Scott Pelley could say, “Mr. Moonves (or “Les,” depending on how close they are): it’s just a little more than a year ago since you bubbled over with giggles as you gave an address to your besties at the Morgan Stanley Technology, Media & Telecom Conference in San Francisco, describing Donald’s ghastly candidacy thus: “It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS.

    “Remember Les? You called it a circus, but still, you said “Donald’s place in this election is a good thing.”

    “Just wondering, Les. Before we get on to snickering about Macedonian teenagers or loon-right propagandists or Steve Bannon’s crew at Breitbart or whatever: wanted to know where our very own CBS stands on this thing right now.

    “I mean, Les, let’s get real: you were prophetic when you said this candidacy–which we pushed as hard as almost anyone, except maybe CNN, NBC, and Fox–would be bad for America. It’s been a disaster for America. It may have been fatal for America, and it was certainly lethally, corrosively damaging for America. Only time will tell if we survive this rough beast that our own CBS helped midwife into the world.

    “Meanwhile, Les, what about the other half of your proposition? Has it really been damn good for CBS? Are shares up? Are we doing well with acquisitions, mergers, and regulations, in front of our Republican chums in Congress? Have we got special back door access to the Oval Office? Is it good, really good, damn good, for CBS?

    “Answer that, Les. Get us up to date on the ‘real news,’ and the cute way you said, “bring it on, Donald, keep going.” Let’s talk about CBS and the rest of the corporate news sector, Les–you, and Jeff Zucker, and Little Pinch Sulzberger, and all y’all, all you fine folks who brought us the Donald presidency and the death of democracy.

    “After that, if you still want to, we can talk some about the whole ‘fake news’ crowd, which brought us Pizzagate.”

    • Brilliant. And it looks like Pelley is damn close to actually asking these questions. We’ll see if he ever does.

    • Gregory Brown

      I don’t think it’s the death of democracy, but it sure is a giant pain in democracy’s ass. And it won’t be gone anytime soon.

  • Hairstrike Alpha

    To wingnuts actually admitting you’re wrong about something is being cucked. An alpha male stands his ground! It’s a cult of stupid children

  • cgthegeek

    I know someone who believes in most of these conspiracy theories. I’ve been trying to figure out how anyone I know can believe this nonsense. She’s someone who’s not only uneducated, but extremely aware that she’s uneducated. She has mentioned in the past that she often feels like she can’t contribute to conversations because she dropped out of high school. Now, she runs her own business now and is quite successful, so who cares if you dropped out of high school!

    But lately, she’s been trying to convince us of various conspiracies (MObama’s really a man, the Illuminati is real, Pizzagate, 9/11 was an inside job, and Sandy Hook and Pulse were hoaxes). I can tell she’s advancing these ideas because it finally makes her part of the conversation in a way. She’ll say one of these things, and we’ll tell her how and why she’s wrong. And she’ll insist she has good sources, and we argue that they are fake. She’ll double and triple down, insisting that it’s really her that “knows how things really work” and we are all sheep. Suddenly, *she’s* the smart one because she “sees the truth”.

    These theories give people who feel disempowered in one way or another a way to feel like they are in control of… something. Anything, really. It’s terrifyingly fascinating to witness.

    • Erala Contratista

      You can go back…To school. If you are truly bothered by being uneducated.

      Feh. That would be too hard.

    • Maclare

      Thank you, this is the clearest explanation I’ve read for this kind of behavior.

    • badtonto

      Jeezus geek, how right you are! Thank you for that post; you hit the nail right on it’s pointy-headed head. 🤓

    • Ωbjectifier

      You should check out the 60 Minutes piece. There seems to be no correlation between educational achievement and belief in wacky conspiracy theories. Many college educated people buy into nonsense too.

      • Gregory Brown

        I got into it with a guy working toward a university degree who absolutely believed the six moon landings were faked.

      • Gregory Brown

        It is possible to be a highly educated idiot. Ambrose Bierce once defined erudition as “dust, shaken from a book into an empty skull.”

  • Iron Monkey

    I am out of the fake news loop so don’t really know Cernovich. Based on Robyn’s article I don’t understand why he would be interviewed by anyone, from 60 Minutes to a 5 kW AM station in Snowball, Arkansas.

    • Alan

      They were doing a story about fake news. He was an example.

    • Gregory Brown

      He was a leading purveyor of the child sex ring Pizza dungeon horseshit, which led to a moron shooting inside the pizzeria. It was a kind of reverse credibility.

    • The Flaming Carrot

      Or Toad Suck, Arkansas.

  • Ωbjectifier

    Pro tip – always shave before 60 Minutes shows up.

    • Sakonyachen

      The real knowledge lies in the stubble.

  • Nockular cavity

    Thank you for mentioning the rising tide of idiot Flat Earthers. I follow NASA on F***book, and EVERY post they do is infested by (seemingly) a growing number of these people. I know, F***book, but still. Maybe the fluoride in the water IS having an effect? (I kid!)

    • Paperless Tiger

      They need to expand their horizons.

      • Gregory Brown

        RIMSHOT!

    • Gregory Brown

      They are among most smug ignoramuses on our globular planet. I get into it with them every now and then, and facts bounce right off them without leaving a mark.

  • Resistance Fighter Astraea

    I’m shocked to learn that this guy is divorced.

    • Snarkbot 9000

      It’s almost even more shocking that he was ever married in the first place.

      • Gregory Brown

        I’m shocked, and stunned!

  • Keith Taylor

    Thanks for writing that article. I think it is right on the bullseye and very well written too. The characteristics you describe are epidemic on FaceBook and YouTube, all right. Wish I knew a cure. But as you say — getting cured is hard when the disease is so attractive, and harder still when you can find a multitude of people online who believe what you do and will reinforce it. Maybe I’ll become a flat earther myself. Then I too can feel smarter than Galileo, Kepler, Copernicus and the people who created the Hubble Telescope.
    Also smarter than Robyn Pennacchia! That poor deceived person!

  • Edith Prickly

    WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!

  • Alan

    I think it’s an act. Or he’s insane.

  • Raan

    Remember, it’s not lying if you’re clinically insane.

  • Gregory Brown

    I watched that, and ended up yelling at the TV. Pelley missed his chance to tell Liar Boy, “There is a huge difference between the facts, and what you believe.”

  • Gregory Brown

    Cernovich brags that he’s a lawyer and therefore he knows facts. It’s a fact that the next lawyer you meet may have graduated at the bottom of his law school class, and may actually suck at lawyering. I’m pretty sure Cernovich fits that profile.

    • HogeyeGrex

      Well, he’s living off of alimony, so I’d give dollars to donuts that he wasn’t his own divorce lawyer.

  • Mavenmaven

    “Punchy” is right. That’s the reaction his face engenders.

  • VinnyBB

    If you’d also like to read a story about Cernovich that will also make you angry, here you go: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/trolls-for-trump

  • HogeyeGrex

    There is a reason the OED word of the year for 2016 was “post-truth.”

  • rubikcube

    “The President believes what he believes and this office stands by that belief.” – Sean Spicey Spicer
    Sound familiar?

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