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Netflix is adapting Death Note, and surprise surprise the series that takes place in Japan stars and all white cast (cnn.com)

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[–]pacdudeLiterally When 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (33子コメント)

At least they moved the setting out of Japan, ahem Ghost in the Shell

[–]kobitzCatholic SJW 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (31子コメント)

Thats worse tho, like when they had those two white kids in eskimo land in the Avatar: The Last Airbender movie

[–]RhyCyCyHow do you do, fellow SJWs 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (16子コメント)

I'm confused, that's the same as GITS. Keeping the culture the same while changing the race of the character.

[–]aguad3coco 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I hope you disliked power rangers or the ring as thats the same kind of adaption/reimagining.

[–]Ayasugi-san 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

  1. American remakes of Japanese horror films are usually pointless.

  2. Power Rangers goes out of its way to have a diverse cast.

  3. Both Power Rangers and The Ring change the titles from the Japanese original.

[–]aguad3coco 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I dont care about your weirdly picked distinctions to make it different. They are one and the same. And if you dislike death note you dislike all of them.

[–]Ayasugi-san 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

They are one and the same.

The Americanized versions of Japanese horror movies, maybe. Power Rangers, no. I dare you to tell a real Power Rangers fan that they're just watching a whitewashed sentai series.

[–]aguad3coco 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

It is for the most part. Main characters were mostly white and then they had one asian and one black character. The same as death note. We got light(white), L(black), misa(white), watari(asian) and an white old dude as ryuk. So its pretty much the same thing. If that is whitwashing to you, well then you watched some racist shows back in your day.

At least you admit you were wrong about the horror stuff. Cause if they ever did an adaption of junji ito's Uzumaki with a white cast, you would be the first to go crazy.

Also, whats up with edge of tomorrow(japanese novel, manga) actually? That had an all white cast with fucking tom cruise, but it got praised to no end? Where were all the "asian culture is so important to us"-people at? Selective outrage?

[–]Ayasugi-san 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

It is for the most part.

No, it isn't. Power Rangers features entirely different characters and storylines from the sentai series. It's not trying to be a straight adaptation, any more than Soukou no Strain is trying to be a straight adaptation of A Little Princess.

At least you admit you were wrong about the horror stuff.

You must have reading comprehension issues. Where did I say that I liked the horror movies or approved of them?

[–]aguad3coco 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Here you go again with your weirdly picked distinctions. Just admit that you were wrong and then leave it at that.

You do know that power rangers straight up took footage from the japanese series and put into theirs. Its even more than just an adaption. If that happened today you would call it more than whitewashing.

[–]Ayasugi-san 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why should I admit that I'm wrong when you're showing a huge lack of knowledge about what you're talking about, incorrect assumptions of my opinions, and completely contradictory interpretations of my own statements?

[–]Erintonsus 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Isn't the guy who is playing L black? Plus William Dafoe as Ryuk is perfect casting.

[–]AnnenbergTrojan 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll be perfectly honest: everything else about this movie could be Americanized garbage, but Dafoe Ryuk is going to be well worth watching this.

[–]cannibalysm 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Yes, L is played by a black guy. That doesn't change much about Mia Sutton and Light Turner taking the place of Misa Amane and Light Yagami, though.

[–]DukeNukemsDick- 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It changes a lot because the post title says 'an all white cast', which is a lie.

[–]Erintonsus 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Honestly, if they're going to make it a mostly white cast, as long as it isn't set in Japan like the regular series I don't see a huge issue.

[–]cannibalysm 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, okay. You can have your opinions. However, denying Asian people opportunities by erasing characters' identities to make them white is a huge issue to me, personally, and to plenty of Asian people out there. The fact that they went so far out of their way to keep Asians from playing the roles is troublesome.

Realistically, even if they localized it, changed their names, etc, Asian-American people with white names do exist. At the very least, I feel like could have very easily been given the same opportunities to audition, instead of white people taking yet another story that isn't theirs and erasing nearly everything about it so they can cram themselves into it and force minorities out.

Obviously, I have personal feelings about this happening on such a massive scale. It's hurtful and ridiculous to constantly see myself and other minorities ripped out of our own culture so they can tell the story of the Turner family, again.

[–]AsteroidSparkSterling Jim Worshiper[S] 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (10子コメント)

They're deliberately avoiding including Japanese characters in an adaptation of a Japanese story based on a piece of Japanese mythology, as u/cannibalysm pointed out they made it quite clear that No Asians Need Apply. And going to quite some lengths to make excuses for that.

[–]AsteroidSparkSterling Jim Worshiper[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Also personally I think revealing L at all in the initial announcement is pretty dumb since he's supposed to be secretive and mysterious.

[–]Robjec 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think that boat already sailed lol. A manga series, a 2 part movie, an anime, 2 spin off books focussed only on L. Mysterious L has been out for a while :p

[–]GearyDigitMost Charrming Mod -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Except we wouldn't know what this incarnation of L looks like.

[–]Robjec 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

we wouldnt, but his looks were never the important part. his mannerisms matter alot more :p

[–]GearyDigitMost Charrming Mod 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah, but remember early on there's the fake L. Spoiling what he looks like on the ads would give away the twist in that scene for people who don't know about Death Note.

[–]Robjec 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

But will a 2 hour movie even cover the fake L arc? There's already a lot to put into it.

[–]AsteroidSparkSterling Jim Worshiper[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they're playing smart here, the ”L” is actually a proxy, but then that falls to the trap of the black guy being the opening kill.

[–]changhyun 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What's odd to me about this is Death Note already has characters who can reasonably be interpreted as canonically white (Mello, Near, Halle, etc), if Netflix were truly worried about people not tuning in to watch a movie with no white people in the cast. Even L is possibly biracial, given that he's a quarter English. Of all those characters, they took the two that are indisputably canonically Japanese and made them white instead.

[–]Cruxius 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

According to the series creator, L is 1/4 Japanese, 1/4 Russian, 1/4 English and I think 1/4 Italian.

[–]sutemiakaShilly down with the Ghazi Gang 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

1/4 Italian

French, according to the Japanese Wiki page.

[–]drSepiidaamateur science enthusiast 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm guessing that, at some point in the development process, Roy Lee and Dan Lin probably decided that, since this was going to be an American adaptation set in Seattle, keeping the villains Japanese and keeping the good guys on the Wammy House team mostly white would probably look bad, and that it would be better to tell a story about arrogant white villains who get outwitted and defeated by a diverse team of investigators (L is black, Quillish Wammy is Japanese).

[–]cannibalysm 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Edward Zo was denied an audition altogether because the casting call was closed to white men, for Light Yagami. He actively pursued the opportunity as soon as it surfaced and was denied because of his race. [Source]

Korean actress Arden Cho also implied that she wasn't able to audition because of race restrictions. [Source]

This was outright whitewashing.

[–]positivestress 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's extremely shitty. Even if it's set in America, like... Asian people... still... exist... here...? Nobody's gonna be like "WHAT THE FUCK, WHY ARE ONLY MOST OF THE CHARACTERS WHITE"

[–]Ayasugi-san 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nobody's gonna be like "WHAT THE FUCK, WHY ARE ONLY MOST OF THE CHARACTERS WHITE"

Yes, some people are. Because there are still far too many shitty racist insecure white people who think that non-white characters need a reason to exist.

[–]positivestress 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was about to say "okay maybe but none of those people are going to be watching anime" wait yes they are what the fuck

Idk Mother's Basement made an interesting point about the casting of Light which is that his character is supposed to be someone who would be able to be completely overlooked by the police and in the US, who's more privileged in that regard than a young white man? If that's what they were going for, I actually can support that because it totally fits with my SJW ideals, if Death Note USA is going to make a point about white privilege WRT the police. I doubt they'll do that, and I'm not quite convinced that that's what they had it mind, but I'd probably accept it if it was.

[–]BoringWebDevformer shitlord; sjw-convert 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm like, "why do all these white people have Japanese names?"

[–]GateauBaker 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What!? He looks perfect for the role, literally all he needs is some hair styling and he'll look exactly like Yagami. the guy who's playing him right now does not give off the aura of cocky confidence inherent to the character.

[–]RhyCyCyHow do you do, fellow SJWs 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If (and this is a big if) they're going for the white privilege angle. They should have a least told the Asian American actors who attempted to audition that that was the angle they were going for. Turning down an actor based on race should always have a reasonable justification.

[–]OneJobToRuleThemAllI overthink, therefor I am. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay, I pass.

[–]LuckyStampedeSocial Justice Pirate Queen 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Honestly, although the preview was not encouraging, I think it might actually gain something by having a white lead.

I mean, Death Note is about a male convinced of his own superiority to everyone around him that feels the world is also unfairly against him, leading him to a killing spree.

This is basically the story of every rampage shooter, only with a notebook and Willem Dafoe playing the role of (insert forum/media platform here).

[–]Heatth 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree. Unfortunately, I am doubtful they are going this angle, and not just because of basic cynicism.

Light's design in the trailer have him with dyed hair and run out clothes. Even though he is white, they made sure to make him look like a bit of a punk. If they wanted to emphasize the "default white male superiority" they would have make him look way more cleaned up and "normal" looking.

[–]StopRightMeow 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's funny because he was super normal looking and lived a traditional life in the manga

[–]Heatth 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. He being super normal looking was kinda the point. If that was what they were going for with the white washing then I would understand. White is "normal" and Light, the dangerous psychopath, is supposed to look "normal", so that could be used as commentary.

But, nope, they decided to make him look "odd", completely ruining the point and their possible justification.

[–]AsteroidSparkSterling Jim Worshiper[S] 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Too many people identified with Light already.

[–]LuckyStampedeSocial Justice Pirate Queen 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ugh...fair point. People have a way of entirely missing the point with these things.

I mean, people do remember that he died miserably, right?

[–]ChildOfComplexityAnti-racist is code for anti-reddit 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The ending was one of the least convincing things about the whole series though... not because Light didn't deserve what was coming to him, but because it was so damn abrupt, in a series that began as very deliberately paced, and ended up meandering.

[–]jadedsabre 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Apparently the series was supposed to end halfway through with L winning, but the publishers were like "this makes us too much money, keep going m8" and so Mello and Near were introduced and the second half loses steam.

[–]LadyMal 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yup, it's the same thing that happened with Walter White. A lot of people really miss the point of these kinds of stories.

[–]cloud3514ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOFEMINISTS 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

But don't you know, protagonist equals hero, even if the story is about a serial killer.

[–]ChildOfComplexityAnti-racist is code for anti-reddit 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't really rate the quality of my high school education at all but one effective lesson was when we read 'Nightmare in Yellow' by Fredric Brown as an object lesson in the authors power to make you root for the protagonist.

I think the key to the lesson working is first the teacher asked us "what could the protagonist do to get out of his situation?", before declaring that he entirely deserved his predicament and pointing out what a piece of shit he was. I think she also managed to convey some of the idea of the unreliable narrator.

[–]nimble7126 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The fact that the character is a piece of shit has nothing to do with the question your teacher asked though. There are several books on my shelf where the protagonist is not only just a jerk, but outright evil. Stories where the main character manipulates others to achieve their goals are some of my favorite. I might totally disagree with them morally, but I'm still intrigued by how they pursue those goals. I like House of Cards not because Frank Underwood is a saint, but because I like seeing how all the plans come together.

I think there's a much better question to ask, which is "What could the protagonist do to overcome situation and how might his character influence the solution?" I mean, in Nightmare in Yellow, the pretty clear solution is to leave his wife but that's not who the main character is. It's precisely because the husband is fucking crazy that it's an interesting story. I want to see what the crazy husband does and understand why.

[–]ChildOfComplexityAnti-racist is code for anti-reddit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The question was "what could the protagonist do to get out of his situation?" at the end of the story. I.e. immediately after he turned on the light.

[–]Neurotic-Kitten 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The worst part of that was all the hate directed at Skyler White and the actress that played her, and their argument for it was ridiculous.

[–]fred_kasanova 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fight Club also comes to mind

[–]Neurotic-Kitten 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

If they were going for that angle, specially when you add the fact that L is being played by a black actor, then this casting would make sense, but considering the bullshit they pulled with not even wanting to audition asian actors for the part, I seriously doubt the story is gonna have some nuance. Still, death of the author and all that, I guess we can still interpret the story that way.

[–]LuckyStampedeSocial Justice Pirate Queen 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Ugh. I tried to interpret Iron Fist that way. It worked for the first three episodes or so, but that fell off damn quick.

[–]Bobb_Grayymarxy marx and the culture bunch 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Real talk I really hate the guy playing Iron Fist. I can't put my finger on it but there's something about him that's just... Ugh

[–]changhyun 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's very bland in the role. I'm sure the fact that the character just isn't written very well doesn't help, but the writing is all around pretty poor so it's not much of an excuse when pretty much everyone in the cast is acting rings around him.

[–]CthulhusInternVeteran of Forum Wars 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He doesn't play the character well?

He's not written well?

He has no martial arts background despite playing the main character in a show about martial arts?

[–]Bobb_Grayymarxy marx and the culture bunch 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

All the above

[–]GearyDigitMost Charrming Mod 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He feels like a stoner comedy supporting actor, not an action drama lead.

[–]Neurotic-Kitten 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know if he's that bad or if it's the writing dragging him down, he played Loras Tyrell in Game of Thrones, and while he wasn't anything to write home about, he wasn't terrible either.

[–]rarebittCollector of Funko Pops, Number 1 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was thinking that also. It's for Light to be a white man.

[–]SMUT_ADDICTLiterally Why 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

convinced of his own superiority to everyone around him

Understatement.

[–]xhadas 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is basically the story of every rampage shooter

No. Have you even read the source material? It's not even remotely like that. Light does not feel slighted. Light does not feel that the world is unfair. Light doesn't do anything for revenge.

Light has a God complex. He has faced literally no struggles in his life. He's positively brilliant, he's a pretty boy, he's bored. Enter the Death Note and L, everything that happens is part of a game to him, a game where he wins when he's remade the world in his image.

If that's how you picture rampage shooters, especially those frequently brought up in relation to the topics discussed here, you need to do some soul searching.

[–]ChildOfComplexityAnti-racist is code for anti-reddit 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think the distance between the two is as wide as you make out.

[–]LuckyStampedeSocial Justice Pirate Queen 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh? I never said their beliefs were the least bit justified. As for Light, his inner monologue before he finds the Death Note basically expresses dissatisfaction and feeling slighted by his inability to express his god complex like he "should." In his mind, it's unfair that the world fails to recognize his brilliance even when everything is already handed to him like you said. If that's not a portrait of white cishet male privilege,I don't know what is.

Of course it's been a while since I saw it and it never grabbed me like I felt it probably should have. I just did not find any of the characters likeable or compelling.

[–]Clockmen 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This isn't the same situation as GitS. It's more like The Departed.

Lakeith Stanfield's casting makes me hope there's some sort of purposefulness to the casting as a whole. Light's character is based on privilege. And in America, privilege is very white. If they're going all the way with the optics of "black nerd takes down Milo Yiannopolis-lookalike", I'd say that's a pretty clever way of westernizing this story. Of course if they miss the point entirely and try to paint Light as heroic then this movie is doomed.

[–]Robjec 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But if they try to paint him as heroic it would be doomed no matter who they cast.

[–]nuclearneo577Hardcore Commulist 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is kind of odd when you compare this to the Netflix adaptation of A Series of Unfortunate Events, which actually makes a bunch of characters who were white in the Nickelodeon movie non-white (the books never state anybody's ethnicity but almost everybody was white in the official illustrations), and was way better then the movie in several other ways as well.

[–]VoteRonaldRayGunHe wore a bad toupee and spray tan 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (9子コメント)

It is an adaption, as in it's entirely set in the US. Unlike certain other movies which are the same setting, but with a white person replacing the Asian lead.

[–]bigcheese444 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think whitewashing is gross, but I would like to point out there has already been 4 movies in japan on Death Note starring a all Japanese actors.

[–]wandse 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Lakeith Stanfield who is one of the two leads is African-American.

edit: Also its a movie not a series.

[–]republicannarnia 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You know who would've been a good Light? Rami Malik.

[–]nuclearneo577Hardcore Commulist 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then you could make a joke about what Elliot Alderson would do if he had the death note in Mr. Robot.

[–]Imjustmean 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe I'm weird but I see him more as L. He does that off beat, smarter than everyone thing so well in Mr. Robot

[–]Neurotic-Kitten 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Isn't Light supposed to be in high-school? Rami Malik is a little old for that.

[–]republicannarnia 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean Evan Peters is only nine years younger than Michael Fassbender but that didn't stop him from being cast as Quicksilver in the X-men movies.

[–]Imjustmean 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm hoping Maximum The Hormone are involved somewhere as well

[–]Foresight2 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why though? Didn't this already have an better than usual live action movie?

[–]eyelash_warrior 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty sad watching other minorities, like Lakeith Stanfield, get bullied for taking these roles because of the "source material" argument.

[–]GucciJesus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I find it hard to wrap my head around how they are gonna get this movie to work tbh. The series has so many twists, turns and powerplays that it seems impossible to reduce it down to 90-100 minutes.

[–]Heatth 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You don't need to adapt everything. The series has so many twists and turns in large part because it is a series, not a movie.

[–]GucciJesus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I mean I am sure they had good numbers from the series itself on Netflix, but sometimes its okay to decide that the medium is also important and leave it at that.

[–]tebrasd☠Skeleton Justice Warrior☠ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

watch the japanese live action adaptations.

[–]GucciJesus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tbh I didn't think they were particularly strong.

[–]Robjec 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They already made it a live action movie in Japan? (2 or 3 parts but still)

[–]RhyCyCyHow do you do, fellow SJWs 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a pair of movies with a spin off and a sequel. There's also a live action series.

[–]Angel-Kat 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Admittedly, I don't watch anime, but I saw the Space Needle in that trailer. It seems like they're localizing the whole thing. While I do agree that this would have been a great opportunity to hire Japanese-American actors, I think I'll wait and see what comes of this film first.

[–]tebrasd☠Skeleton Justice Warrior☠ -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

you could read the manga?

[–]AsteroidSparkSterling Jim Worshiper[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

*an all white cast, sorry about the typo.

[–]Imjustmean 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not an all white cast though. Never mind the typo your headline is wrong.

[–]republicannarnia 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your grammar is one of the least wrong things about your headline. You said the movie was set in Japan when it's set in Seatle and you said it had an all white cast when L is played by a black guy.

[–]MeguminnNever Go Full Ethics -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck this fucking white nonsense. I hope this mess bombs.

[–]BoringWebDevformer shitlord; sjw-convert 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It will bomb like Dragon Ball and the Last Airbender.

[–]A_Good_Game 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Please just tell me that they set it in america that would at least make it a fuck ton less awkward.

[–]AsteroidSparkSterling Jim Worshiper[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's in Seattle now, they're basically stripping out everything Japanese about it except the title of Kira.

[–]Desprogeshorseshoe contrarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be honest, an non-japan setup is the only way to make death note feel fresh, there's already so much death note content made by japanese in japan. There's a freaking musical

You want the elitist serial killer with a god complex a person of color? that's racist /s

Still don't see anyone complaining about L being black, though

[–]Satorui29 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And this is why I will insist on creative control of the Netflix series of my novels, I love all my characters and have too many non-white ones for me to risk them being corrupted by Hollywood whitewashing bullshit.

[–]mrbaryonyx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Kinda late to the party on this one, this controversy's been around for a while.

[–]AsteroidSparkSterling Jim Worshiper[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just heard about it the other day from a friend, didn't see anything about it here so I thought it was worth posting.

[–]FairyLipOreos are literally your wife having sex with two black men. -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

light turner