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[–]thirdseason111 1833 ポイント1834 ポイント  (247子コメント)

Thank you for saying this. It's going to be very important to keep repeating this message loudly.

[–]Jeffbx 331 ポイント332 ポイント  (135子コメント)

Repeat it the loudest in the direction of the respective governments. They're made up of people, and some of them will hear it.

[–]ethanlan 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (129子コメント)

Only the American government would hear this, the Chinese would shoot you in the face for suggesting it.

[–]nogoodliar 352 ポイント353 ポイント  (74子コメント)

Yeah, the American government has a long history of listening to its people.

\s

[–]JamesJohnson78579 157 ポイント158 ポイント  (29子コメント)

My representative had several town halls where people yelled at him not to get ride of the aca. He usually follows the R crowd, but in this case he ended up bucking house leadership and was a no vote that helped sink the bill.

[–]nichef 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (26子コメント)

There was no vote so who knows how he would have voted. I mean it's not like politicians take multiple positions to pander to differing groups of people.

[–]JamesJohnson78579 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (17子コメント)

He gave interviews to our local newspaper and radio stations about his vote, then posted links to the interviews on his Facebook page.

[–]nichef 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (16子コメント)

He still didn't vote, you never know until the vote is cast.

[–]ErnestHemingwhey 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (3子コメント)

See: John McCain

[–]ErnestHemingwhey 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty much everything surrounding McCain and Trump, the most recent and visible example being that McCain voted to confirm Devos. He falls in line everytime, despite his constant grandstanding of standing up to Trump.

[–]justkeepstretching 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

They didn't vote because they talked to people and found out they didn't have the vote so... same difference. His publicly saying he would vote no helped stop the bill.

[–]computerbone 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He used his influence to stop the bill. I think that is more important than a theoretical vote.

[–]cr42 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Both of you make fair points.

It's possible he was playing constituents by saying he'd vote 'no', when he would have actually voted 'yes', but the fact that constituents put a lot of pressure on their representatives, and that this pressure had an effect, shouldn't be ignored.

You do make a good point about the lack of a roll call vote meaning we can't really be sure, but it's also likely that they avoided a roll call vote because they didn't want fresh evidence on record just how divided the party was, who might be vulnerable to primary/general election pressure, etc.

[–]nichef 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh I know the pressure on the Republicans in blue states was huge, and I am so glad people got out and participated, it gives me a lot of hope. The realpolitik is that the freedom caucus withdrew support because it wasn't far enough right and that is about 35 votes right there (nobody knows as they haven't announced their actual membership because they are cowards) which caused the downfall in the house.

I think the pressure from the left had it passed in the House would have caused the bills ultimate demise in the Senate. The whole thing is a guess those and we will never know though because there was no vote. Onto tax reform, which is the real fish to fry.

[–]nogoodliar 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The real fish to fry is getting money out of politics. It is the disease from which all symptoms arise.

[–]ethanlan 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (32子コメント)

There is a huge difference between not listening and treating people with out right hostility.

[–]_arkar_ 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

There was an interesting article recently that mentioned how part of the Chinese government/population is on the sane side regarding an escalation of tensions. Seemed pretty interesting.

[–]Literally_A_Shill 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (79子コメント)

So what should the people do?

I don't resent Russia's populace and am glad there were protests recently, but should the government's corruption and interference in foreign nations just be ignored? Should they be allowed to just annex parts of other countries, hack sovereign citizens, kill opposition and illegally influence other nation states with no repercussions?

It seems that a lot of people think that simply mentioning these things is enough to trigger them into starting WW3. How will appeasement work?

[–]malpais 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (23子コメント)

I'm just curious how IRAN and NORTH KOREA got left out of this.

If the US is going to war, it's not going to be with the Russians or the Chinese.

[–]Literally_A_Shill 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I'm just curious how IRAN and NORTH KOREA got left out of this.

OP seems to be new and has a clear agenda. Remember during the campaign when people claimed that allowing Hillary to win would cause World War 3 because she kept calling out Putin's shitty behavior? This seems to be an extension of that talking point.

[–]IBiteYou 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (16子コメント)

People said Hillary was most likely to start a war because she said we needed a no-fly zone over Syria, which would mean we shot down Russian planes and she said that military response to cyberthreats was acceptable.

[–]PandaLover42 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (12子コメント)

she said we needed a no-fly zone over Syria, which would mean we shot down Russian planes

No, it means a bilateral no-fly zone.

and she said that military response to cyberthreats was acceptable.

No, she said she'd may consider cyber attacks similarly to military attacks.

People said Hillary was most likely to start a war because

...because they bought into Russian and alt-right propaganda.

[–]IBiteYou 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (10子コメント)

No, it means a bilateral no-fly zone.

No. It doesn't.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/25/hillary-clinton-syria-no-fly-zones-russia-us-war

No, she said she'd may consider cyber attacks similarly to military attacks.

You can't just make up your own facts. She said she'd consider a military response to cyber attacks.

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/293970-clinton-treat-cyberattacks-like-any-other-attack

“As president, I will make it clear that the United States will treat cyberattacks just like any other attack,” the Democratic presidential nominee said. “We will be ready with serious political, economic and military responses.”

[–]Nitrocide 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's kind of ironic since this is what the west has been doing in the middle east for a long time. Replacing head of states such as in Iran or invading Iraq for bogus reasons...

[–]Enemia 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes it's just depressing to see so much hate. Russians hating Americans, Americans and Europeans hating Russians... It seems like people just don't understand - every government is fucked up. But the government of a country does not represent (yeah, surprise) all of the population of said country. We're no so different. No need to send death threats.

[–]EightDaysPreyin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yesterday my father said he was disappointed in me because I wouldn't fight a war. It was a pretty disgusting experience all around.

Sorry pa, not gonna go shoot some other guy's son in the name of cash money.

[–]MinotaurWarrior 1312 ポイント1313 ポイント  (251子コメント)

By reacting like this, you yourself are giving in to their (specifically, Russian) fearmongering. There is nothing to worry about. Nobody is seriously leading up to WWIII. Not Putin, not Xi Jinping, not even Trump are that stupid as to want war between nuclear powers.

Want evidence? In 2014, Turkey shot down a Russian Jet. Then, Turkish nationals (along with some Turkmenis), committed warcrimes by hunting down and killing the pilot and the rescue crew. Turkey is in NATO. Russia went through diplomatic channels for its response. Putin does not want WWIII. Nobody wants WWIII. Stop talking about WWIII as if it was a relevant thing.

[–]JesseJaymz 71 ポイント72 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think this is a dumb post, but I wouldn't get that cocky about things. It reminds me of a great quote...

"What are you Gonna do? Stab me??"

-stabbing victim.

[–]FloydIV 392 ポイント393 ポイント  (91子コメント)

Yeah seriously, what is the context of OP's post?

[–]HomosexualRooster 344 ポイント345 ポイント  (42子コメント)

Probably along the lines that they think Trump and Putin are going to kill everyone

[–]gredgex 161 ポイント162 ポイント  (16子コメント)

The same people who believe everything they hear on the news and see everything as another escalation that will inevitably lead to the end of the world.

[–]geek_hammer 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (1子コメント)

every war when it comes, or before it comes, is represented not as a war but as an act of self-defence against a homicidal maniac
...
The essential job is to get people to recognize war propaganda when they see it, especially when it is disguised as peace propaganda.

[–]crashfrog 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, "every war represented as an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac" is what it would look like in the world where nations never went to war except when it was completely justified - that is, an act of self-defense against a homicidal maniac.

[–]dontwasteink 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Seems to me like the CIA and maybe the DNC is trying to start shit with Russia. Not Trump.

[–]Uncanny_Resemblance 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Bannon wants to destroy the world from what I hear, but what do I know

[–]EugenesCure 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Seriously, maybe op is saying this because he sees a group of people willing to blame russia for anything and everything instead of dealing with actual lines of criticism with legitimate evidence about the current us administration.

[–]TheSilenceMEh 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Punishing Russia for hacking our election and trying to start a war are two different things.

[–]pariahscc 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've never understood the whole hacking thing. Is it Podesta's emails or they manipulated voting machines?

[–]-Kablamoplasty- 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They allegedly stole Podesta's emails, but the left intentionally misuses the term "hacked" to make the uninformed think that the Russians had something to do with manipulating vote machines.

[–]Elevenxray 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They didn't hack our election though, that was the DNC.

Going to civil war with the left is a bigger concern as they seem to be taking the phrase "sore losers" to a whole new level.

[–]Zephyr93 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think OP wanted to be seen as a "wise pacifist", but failed and sounded like a teen who just discovered world politics

[–]Aegean 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is deep shit. Let's talk about it after gym.

[–]Literally_A_Shill 110 ポイント111 ポイント  (20子コメント)

I've noticed a lot of people on Reddit are pushing the narrative that Americans better not criticize Putin or Russia because it will lead to another world war.

OP is a brand new account.

[–]Aman3003 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah. But according to your username you are literally a shill so I don't know who to trust

[–]newbervanspuson 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I'm seeing the opposite. An inordinate amount of attention on Putin as being something we should all be afraid and angry at as a solution. I'm really not frightened by Putin. I'm more concerned with direct issues in our own country. I can't vote for or against Putin and I don't have enough time to waste protesting him when my protest is much better served directed at issues within my own country.

The average American is entirely unaffected by Putin. Hey there are starving people and jam packed prisons in my county.. yeah but Putin annexed Crimea. But i have no healthcare and my kid's schools are falling apart.. yeah but Putin is helping Assad. But i lost my job and i am going under.. yeah but Putin and join the military because Putin.

[–]Callooh_Calais 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've noticed a lot of people on Reddit are pushing the narrative that Americans better not criticize Putin or Russia because it will lead to another world war.

Oh fuck off you hateful troll, you are bleating for war against Russia practically every day in /r/EnoughTrumpSpam--anyone can do a quick search and see it

OP is a brand new account.

And you're still a waste of air.

[–]Sockslol1 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think he's fishing for up votes like most political nonsense on this site nowadays

[–]Fox_Tango 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

How about a lot of the left leaning media feamongering over Russian collusion?

[–]oomdydoo 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Virtue signalling?

It's embarrassing to see this kind of crap on reddit.

[–]LetsWorkTogether 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Proxy / cold wars, not WW3. Ramping up of defense spending.

[–]Nyquil_Advil 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Which leads to innovations!!! /s

[–]Kurvco 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Well I mean you're technically not wrong.

[–]gizamo 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Spending leads to innovations.

Defense spending leads to weapons innovations, which sometimes have practical uses outside of war.

Though, to be fair, it's hard to get Republicans to spend money on anything other than military. So, it's kind of military innovations or nothing from current government funds.

E: optimistically added "current"

[–]cakedayn4years 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read this as op saying that the state will use war and infighting as a distraction so that the people never see real change, which is basic Orwell. I don't see why all of you are intent to downplay that aspect and nitpick this post, aside from perhaps a shoddy attempt to take the wings out of it as it seems to be rising to the top.

Maybe you guys should improve your reading comprehension.

[–]MulderD 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Further evidence, Russia literally just took a chunk of another country for itself, US and EU did not swoop in and help Ukraine defend it self. Just sanctions.

[–]joshdabearjew 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well the Ukrainians did vote. You may believe it was rigged, just like Hillary losing - but there isn't anything to absolutely prove beyond accusations.

[–]willmaster123 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (22子コメント)

That's not how it works 90% of the time

Nobody wanted world war 3 in the Cold War either. Instead the wars were fought in the rest of the world, and tens of millions of people died in endless proxy wars.

The prospect of another Cold War is rapidly coming. Already we have a similar proxy war in Syria and Ukraine, when another war breaks out, russia takes one side and we take another, making the war worse and worse.

It's not the Russians or Americans who suffer from these things, it's the rest of the world. But this time the wars are fought between authoritarianism (russia) and free democracies (america).

[–]DillonPressStart 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

But this time the wars are fought between authoritarianism (russia) and free democracies (america).

Ok there Captain America.

[–]jewfro667 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (6子コメント)

This is the exact thing I try to tell people. None of these leaders are as dumb as the media makes them out to be. You can hate on Trump all you want, but the man isn't going to just jump into a war just because he feels like it. Yeah, he wasn't the first choice of a lot of people, but the fact that people think he's stupid really bothers me for a multitude of reasons, as does the fact that people can't have a civil discussion and automatically jump at me when I express my own views about all of this.

[–]EtCustodIpsosCustod 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (5子コメント)

By reacting like this, you yourself are giving in to their (specifically, Russian) fearmongering.

And Democratic fearmongering?

[–]illegalmorality 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just listened to Dan Carlin's hardcore history "Blueprint to Armageddon" podcast. No one thought World War One would happen, everyone said it wouldn't last more than a month because war was unprofitable. Experts, economists, generals and news outlets said a war was impossible, it shocked the world how wrong everyone was.

[–]RexLegendary 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

By reacting like this, you yourself are giving in to their (specifically, American) fearmongering

Fixed for what he's obviously talking about. You act like the US has never gone to war without a good reason.

[–]chiminage 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Russia did not hack the election. Hillary was a shitty candidate.

[–]DiseasedMutant 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When the Secret Service had to throw her limp body in to the back of that van, that's when i knew Hillary should not be President.

[–]00093293 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol that was my 2nd fav. hillary moment. I am chuckling right now about it.

The best hillary moment is her reaction to the balloons or whatever it was dropping from the ceiling. looks like she is having an aneurysm mixed with some early onset Alzheimers

[–]SyanWilmont 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Nobody wanted WWII either yet it still happened.

[–]EverythingIsSFWForMe 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Plenty of nations wanted WW2, the Axis first and foremost. Things like invasion of Poland and Pearl Harbor can't happen when no one wants war.

No one wants WW3 because of nukes which weren't around then. WW3 can happen but only as a runaway escalation, which is entirely different from what happened in WW1 and WW2.

[–]SyanWilmont 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I just want to point out that one of the reasons WWII happened was because the Axis powers wanted to expand their territories. Today, we are witnessing the desire for Russia and China to expand their territories, although obviously not to the extent of the Axis powers but the desires are still there; Russia with Ukraine's territories and China with the South China Sea. I would also agrue that North Korea and ISIS would not hesitate to use nukes if they somehow got a hold of some. My point is that we are living in destabilising times and we should not dismiss the notion that WWIII would never happen in our lifetimes.

[–]BasicDesignAdvice 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

WWI is a better analogy. Really all was needed was the right mix of belligerent leadership in the right countries. People of the day thought war would never come because international trade had become so integral in post-industrial economies.

[–]enantiomorphs 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think we all need to remember that it's not the people. The people just want to live without issue. Xiao Bao says it best when talking to king Kang Zi, "the people don't care about you wars, your plight, the farmer just want to live in peace and without fear. They want their community grow, they don't care about fighting."

[–]FinnaGetSchwifty 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I lived in China for six years. I met far more lovely people than assholes. I am lucky enough to work with a few Russians. A cantankerous lot, but good people as well. My experience with Americans is similarly positive.

For all of the above groups, I have met real idiots as well

Every demographic in the world contains a generous sprinkling of fuckfaces. Some even form majority governments. Don't let them get you down!

[–]Valadrius 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Have you been outside in the past few weeks?

[–]Record_Was_Correct 156 ポイント157 ポイント  (20子コメント)

18 day old account with a populist post on a small sub that somehow gets to the first couple pages of /r/all.

100% legit.

[–]riodosm 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Exactly. It's clearly one of those:

https://blogs-images.forbes.com/jaymcgregor/files/2017/02/Reddit-accounts-for-sale-1200x712.jpg?width=960

Reddit has become pathetic, lowest common denominator, uninformed and unreliable.

[–]Record_Was_Correct 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Reddit has become pathetic

Agreed, as a whole.

lowest common denominator

That is still facebook.

uninformed

On purpose.

unreliable

100%

[–]content404 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Since when does a call for peace warrant suspicion of ulterior motives?

[–]socialistrob 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because it implies existing hostilities and sets a frame of mind in which world powers want war. If there was a massive rally in the US demanding that the united states refrain from bombing Toronto it would seem a bit strange. There was no real threat of the US bombing Toronto so why spend time and effort to attract attention and demand a response to a nonexistent problem?

[–]Record_Was_Correct 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The OP is not a call for peace. So your post is 100% based on bullshit.

[–]SnotSandwich 257 ポイント258 ポイント  (70子コメント)

You must be a teen. No nation named above wants war with any other nations named above. It is too costly. Do you know what would happen if China and US, who are very much invested in each other's economoes, went to war with one another? We would be broke before we fired the first shot. We rely on China's market and vice-versa. Russia, same with China. But while the US doesn't have as much invested in Russian economics, the price of war would bankrupt the Reds within a month. Stop being edgy and play outside son.

[–]Cannot_go_back_now 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (15子コメント)

stop being edgy

There was nothing edgy in their post, this seemed like a heartfelt plea to the citizens of the nations we commonly find ourselves opposed to, whether they're right or they're wrong, it's a good message.

[–]Enemia 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everything is edgy/bad/propaganda when it's about Russia.

[–]YourComradeLee 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (12子コメント)

And it's misguided. See my comment above - there's a reason why we aren't friends with Russia, contrary to what OP (and coincendentally, Donald Trump) believe. Russia and China are strictly aligned against our geopolitical interests - they have no interest in protecting free trade, democracy, popular sovereignty, etc. Russia wants to expand their influence upon eastern Europe and our NATO allies and break up western unity (I don't even think I need to explain the importance of this - this is the reason why Trump has gotten so much shit lately). China, similarly, wants to control the South China Sea and various shipping lanes in east Asia, giving them unfair leverage against our other east Asian allies like the Phillipines, SK, Japan, and Vietnam.

While I respect OP's desire for world peace, there's a reason it isn't happening: if Russia or China were to replace the current hegemonic position the US is in, I sincerely doubt that there would be any semblance of world peace.

Not that the US is some holy guardian angel of human rights, btw. We fuck up at times, but I think 99% of people can agree the US is in a much better position to lead the world than Russia or China.

[–]CLEAVAGER 196 ポイント197 ポイント  (24子コメント)

You must be a teen.

That's one way to feign confidence in your own argument.

[–]bonkbonkbonkbonk 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (1子コメント)

shhhh the adults are talking

[–]LivePresently 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shhh the adults are talking

[–]YourComradeLee 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Do you really think the US government and Russian government WANTS war with each other?

OP's comment reeks of "hurr durr, y can't we all just get along" sentiment. The reality, though, is that both China and Russia are strictly aligned AGAINST the US's geopolitical interests and have shown little to know sympathy towards protecting free trade and popular sovereignty around the globe (hence China attempting to control the South China Sea, and Russia attempting to continuously expand their influence to eastern Europe). There's a reason why our governments don't get along.

[–]Silverdragon701 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (9子コメント)

While I think the War bit is a bit over the top, every authoritarian benefits from having an Other- Russia, America, China, they all make excellent Others to hate and fear.

It's not that there will be war, but that there is always the threat of war- balanced only by the costs that war entails, and always near the edge of slipping. And the threat of war allows for extreme measures put in place "for your safety" without much pushback.

Basically, they're afraid of a Oceania/Eurasia/Eastasia setup happening.

[–]gbinvic 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I really wish you kids would mix some actual geopolitical reading in with your dystopian fiction.

[–]post_orgasm_mind 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well sure, Grandpa. Here's a couple of things from the top of my head that was stated above which has already happened in your life time . This is not Dystopia; it's history repeating itself.

[–]electonfiremage 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (0子コメント)

you must be a teen

stop being edgy

How to convince yourself that you're not an idiot despite evidence to the contrary in 2 easy steps.

[–]post_orgasm_mind 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They might not actually go to war with each other, but all the above stated governments benefit from creating an atmosphere of impending war. It's a great way to take away the rights of your citizens in the name of security.

So yes, they'll happily escalate a lot of situations to ensure this happens. And remember, these escalations also comes with a lot of casualties, just probably not for people in our immediate neighbourhood.

[–]YourComradeLee 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Jesus. There's a reason why there's tension between these governments. Do you not see Russia trying to expand their influence to Eastern Europe and break up western Unity? Do you not see them interfering in our elections and doing whatever they can do undermine the US and it's allies? Do you see China not giving a fuck about controlling shipping lanes and the South China Sea, and using it as unfair leverage against our East Asian allies such as SK, Japan, and the Phillipines?

[–]Kiteway 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No nation named above wants war with any other nations named above. It is too costly.

Dude, someone wrote a whole book that basically said war was impossible because of economic interdependence. 38 million people died four years after its publication in 1910.

Then it got republished in 1933 and 50-80 million people died a few years later.

Don't think that economic interdependence will save you. It hasn't before and it won't again.

[–]billpullmanrocks 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You sound like you are projecting. Calling everyone teens and then accusing op of being edgy. Your a goddamn edge lord.

[–]ituralde_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For what it's worth, they made the economic interdependence argument right before the first world war.

[–]Masked_Death 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Can anyone point me to some resources as to what happened recently? I keep seeing tons of things about a tragedy, peace, etc. but I don't even know what happened.

[–]rhn94 116 ポイント117 ポイント  (14子コメント)

nothing, just fearful people spending too much time on the internet

[–]sashay33 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (13子コメント)

And Fox and CNN

[–]TalenPhillips 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Seriously, though. 24 hour news is incredibly toxic. There isn't enough relevant news, so we get sensationalist crap and opinion shows as filler.

Then when we finally get a really important story it gets beaten to death... To the point where we're all traumatized by something that happened on the other side of the planet.

I'm not saying we shouldn't care, but this overexposure leads to either apathy or neuroticism.

[–]iwathedreamer 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh there is plenty of news they just pick and choose what to spam the masses with

[–]TalenPhillips 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's not enough relevant news important enough to the viewer to fill a 24 hour news cycle. There's just not.

Most of what's on TV news these days is filler. Or spam, as you call it. 99% of it doesn't have any significant impact on your life.

[–]uw0tme1ght 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

People fell for the 'Trump is Hitler' meme and now they're freaking out.

Paradoxically they are probably helping him because now all he has to do is not shove people into gas chambers and he'll have exceeded expectations.

[–]Indenturedsavant 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I thought Hillary was the warmonger and was going to start WWIII with Russia? Who exactly do people think Trump is planning on going to war with? Maybe (and I emphasize maybe) Iran or North Korea based on his rhetoric but even there Iran would be a hardsell given his "foresight" into the Iraq quagmire and unilateral military action in North Korea is going to get his dick slapped hard by China.

[–]Royce_Melborn 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (48子コメント)

It's hard though. My country is currently being fucked by China. And Chinese citizens are apparently ok with their government's claim of the mythical 9 dash line.

[–]rhn94 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (28子コメント)

Lol you think their citizens have a say in what the government does?

[–]youdidntreddit 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Chinese citizens are more nationalistic than the government if anything.

[–]Try_Another_NO 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Yep, had a Chinese friend in my boarding school over a decade ago now. Great guy on a personal level, but couldn't ever talk politics with him.

Brought up Tianaman Square once because the naive 14 year old in me believed that I could plant the seed of democracy in his head just by talking to him...

He got visibly upset, and went on a long tirade about how those students were Japanese funded traitors whose parents needed to be capitally held accountable for raising their kids to be susceptable to Japanese propoganda.

It was pretty bizzare, he was a really kind, smart kid otherwise.

[–]Megneous 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There was a Chinese international student in my Japan study abroad program. In our history class, we ended up having to ask her to leave the course and drop it because she would continuously derail the entire class with her revised history nonsense that disagreed with the general consensus of every other industrialized nation.

Like everyone understands that all of our countries are biased and teach history in their own favor. That's obvious. However, there's a line in there somewhere where you just start making shit up and there's no evidence from anyone outside your group to corroborate your claims.

[–]SilveRX96 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's better now. Im beijing born and raised, and currently studying in a US college. Im much more liberal than my other chinese friends (my parents were both at tiananmen so that might be a reason) but we could talk about tiananmen, taiwan, tibet and stuff logically and cleared minded w/o getting nationalistic or whatnot. The people i know generally believe tiananmen was horrible, although we usually dont want to talk about it for multiple reasons

[–]Drewkatski 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (19子コメント)

You'd get the same reaction trying to make the average American believe in communism

[–]Ilolo1 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Difference is the Tianaman Square protestors weren't responsible for the deaths of millions of people

[–]gbinvic 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (9子コメント)

That might be because every example of communism in history has resulted in human misery.

[–]fuckyou_dumbass 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Once communism works once then we can talk about its benefits.

[–]insayid 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well... I'd say that sentiment has a little more historical context than you're implying.

[–]MATERlAL 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They could still be able ok with it

[–]Literally_A_Shill 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And you have the whole Crimea debacle as well. How is ignoring these issues supposed to help avoid war?

[–]389_Red 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The Philippines have a legitimate claim within the South China Sea? Not even close.

The Philippine’s claim islands that VERY CLEARLY fall outside of its established territory. When discussing China’s claim there are a lot of uncertainties, but the Philippines claim is very clear cut.

There is the possibility that China’s claim is just as invalid as the Philippines… But it is only a possibility that requires assumptions and creative interpretations of unclear laws. But with the Philippines there is not such uncertainty.

Enough of my rambling, I think I should actually point out how the Philippines claim to ANY of the islands are very easily proven to be false. In short: the Spratly islands are not mentioned on any of the followings:

Article 1 of the 1935 Constitution of the Republic of the Philippines, entitled "The National Territory" The 1935 Constitution GOVPH

Philippine Republic Act No. 3046, entitled "An Act to Define the Baselines of the Territorial Sea of the Philippines", 1961, R.A. 3046

Treaty of Paris (10th Dec 1898) Specifically: Article III Treaty of Peace Between the United States and Spain; December 10, 1898

The treaty of Washington (7th of Nov 1900) Treaty between the Kingdom Spain and the United States of America for cession of outlying islands of the Philippines- 1900 GOVPH

Convention between the United States of America and Great Britain delimiting the boundary between the Philippine archipelago and the State of North Borneo, 2nd Jan 1930

A visual representation (map) of the territory of the Philippines. Showing the limit of Filipino territory for various treaties and their later claim of the Spratly Islands (aka: Kalayaan) in 1978.

Source

[–]newbervanspuson 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm so glad that the current borders and international law will now stand for all of eternity. No more regional or global conflicts! Simply refer to the world map. Problems solved.

[–]iamiamwhoami 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (10子コメント)

How is your country being fucked by China?

[–]vonmonologue 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They're filipino, China is taking territory / small islands / fishing areas that are recognized as belonging to the philippines. Philippines can't really do shit because afaik they don't even have a real navy (literally like the poorest country in Asia) and nobody else in the world cares enough about some uninhabited rocks in the ocean to get involved to stop China.

[–]Royce_Melborn 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

9 dash line. China is claiming territories that clearly aren't theirs. Google it. You'll be amazed how fucking greedy China is.

[–]iamiamwhoami 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well I understand that much. I was hoping for a more in depth of explanation since you seem to have such strong views on the subject.

[–]Mazuruu 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (2子コメント)

How is this shit almost on the frontpage

[–]testaccount656 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Governments are comprised of people. The citizens of a country are responsible for the actions of their government.

[–]AP3Brain 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Of course. While for some reason the Russian people seem to support Putin (cause they have to?) I don't have any resentment for them.

[–]outlander- 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't support him. In fact, just today there was a HUGE protest all over the country against his cabinet and prime minister.

[–]testaccount9597 140 ポイント141 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Dear OP, you are a fucking idiot. You have no evidence to support your claims that they want war between us.

[–]sidtep 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's the media...also some politicians think these kind of things can make people go favourable for you(like Indian politicians talk about war with Pakistan)

[–]Mirrormn 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yeah, this is actually, literally fearmongering.

[–]socialistrob 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's worse. It's trying to get people to distrust their governments and associate them as "the enemy" yet it is only posted in English and not Chinese or Russian. If I am a foreign power and want to destabilize a geopolitical rival a great way to do that is to get there citizens reading and believing vague info about how their government is "the enemy."

[–]glad1couldk3k 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (4子コメント)

OP is a two fold idiot. Not only does OP have no evidence to support their claims that governments want a war between us, but OP actually thinks that governments would need us in any way, shape or form to start a war with who ever they wanted to start a war with.

[–]RexLegendary 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (3子コメント)

There's no evidence that China or Russia want war, but the American left has been making up conspiracy theories about Russia for around a year.

[–]jkpritchard 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Dear Russian, Chinese, and American citizens, please do not allow our government the media to stir up hatred and resentment towards one another. They will want war, but we must not fight. Our own governments are The media is the enemy - not the people of our nations.

FTFY

Edit: I can't format.

[–]Glassclose 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most normies have never advocated for war, it wasn't till an event or something happened that entire nations get wrangled into wars. The common person gets no benefit from war, only the very serious possibility of loss, only the rich benefit.

[–]savedyourlife 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Former Ukrainian citizen, now am American! I agree. No war!

[–]mutually_awkward 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

American here who has lived in China and has Russian friends. Right on OP.

[–]DrSeuss19 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I understand this thread was made with good intentions and will likely get many upvotes because people seemingly think all out war is always just around the corner, but there's really no need to worry.

Russia cannot afford to have a war with the U.S. or rather, they can't afford to get obliterated. Their military isn't capable of it as has been stated many times, their military is comparable to Iraq's which was demolished in days by the U.S. Russia's agenda is in Europe.

China and the U.S. are so financially intertwined there is nothing to gain from war. Not only that, I believe China itself has recently stated more than once that their focus is on continuing peaceful relations with the U.S. There is no betterment via war among these three countries.

So next time you hear the media try to act as if some conflict is just moments away or these countries are at each other's throats, remember they are in the business of getting viewers and making money, not actually giving concrete evidence for many of their baseless or over exaggerated assumptions.

Basically, calm your tits. No one wants war.

[–]floaty 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I joined the army as a medic with hopes that I can save people. I want to be a Search & Rescue tech and save people at home. Please don't send me to war before I can realize my dream.

[–]altrocks 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is exactly the message that Eugene V. Debs was jailed for in the US a century ago.

[–]lepornjames 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell that to all the hateful subs like esist and the others spamming /all. You would think they want to start WW3.

[–]jgo3 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is no monopoly of common sense
On either side of the political fence
We share the same biology
Regardless of ideology
Believe me when I say to you
I hope the Russians love their children too

--Sting, "Russians"

[–]Scramblade 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hell yeah!! I find Russia a awesome country, I just don't like Putin.

[–]outlander- 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am from it, and I fucking hate Putin. Can't even keep the constitution working.

[–]Seventytvvo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As an American, I would gladly reduce my standard of living slightly if it meant that the Russian and Chinese common man could be a little bit more secure and free.

I consider it a cost of allowing for peace in the world. Competition among nations is not a zero-sum game. Peaceful cooperation is beneficial to everyone, but is more difficult than simply making the "other" out to be an enemy.

[–]TrooperRamRod 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The American executive branch wants to work with the Russian government and people. That's a fact, it's our Congress/Senate and media that are fear mongering. China, on the other hand, is not the same. We have no reason to hate the Chinese yet Trump has thrown shade their way before. All in all, I agree.

[–]empiik 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Youre a fucking idiot if u think that these superpowers would ever want to go in a direct conflict with each other.

[–]NorthBlizzard 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (12子コメント)

The American left is already trying to push their own people to hate and fight Russia. No good at all.

[–]the_one_who_waits 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"It's not you vs. me, it's you and me vs. the war industry"

Pete Philly and Perquisite - Hope

[–]hac999 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I very much like this post but i don't like that people are pretending to know for sure that it could never or will never happen...how do they know...and how are they certain..?

[–]vladgrinch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good intentions but utopic.

[–]fuzzydunlots 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why Russia is banning the Jehovah's Witnesses, they will never fight in a war and by definition undermine the legitimacy of the government. 170,000 people will be banned from meeting and all of their assets are being liquidated right now.

[–]riodosm 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually, the US, Russia and China are currently maintaining excellent dialogue and working on cooperation prospects. This could be the closest the three countries have ever been.

[–]sevenoutdb 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah - I fucking love you guys. Russian people have put up with a lot of shit this century, as well as Chinese. In America (well California) we have no issues with Russian or Chinese people. Everyone is welcome in California. Washington DC might have political issues with Russia and China, but real people don't want to stir up boneheaded nationalistic rivalries.

[–]uTriple 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

As soon as Russia stops the mass cyber crime that is stealing huge amounts from everyone. I'm fine with the other people though.

[–]SupraRZ95 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Couldn't agree more. They keep us fighting amongst each other when we should be fighting them together.

[–]bfhurricane 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Literally none of these countries want war with each other.

[–]pfroo40 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My wife was born in the US, but her parents are naturalized citizens from China, so we have a lot of family there, and travel there often. They are wonderful people, and my experienced visiting and travelling outside touristy areas has been great. We don't need conflict with China. It wouldn't benefit anyone.

[–]politicsineverysubno 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The US gov has convinced our population to hate one another to the point of violence in the streets because an R or D in front of a name - All in support of a political ideology that nobody even agrees with 100%. I guess it's easier to remain in control if the people hate one another instead of the government.

If we can be manipulated to despise our fellow citizens, there's no hope for love amongst citizens of other nations.

[–]SuperNinjaBot 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Were farthest from a major war then we have been since WWII.

You are talking about what our media portrays, and not what the government actually wants. It sells to have media push us against eachother and it gets votes and support to paint a picture of impending doom.

China doesnt want war, Russia doesnt want war, the US doesnt want war (and is the only one ready for one if one did break out).

You are in fact falling for exactly what you are trying to steer people away from.

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[–]CallMeDoc24 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As a Canadian, I support this resolution. I have no quarrel with my friends in America or Russia or China. We do not need to make the distant and selfish problems of our "leaders" into our problems.

[–]film_guy01 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we add Iran to this list? Kthnksbye.

[–]ThaRealNhaz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Scream this aloud over and over. We wont die for your politics. This could be the first time in history where the world is connected enough to say to each other we really dont wanna fight.

[–]physalisx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hear hear. As someone from Europe, reading all the xenophobia by Americans on Reddit is really bad, especially against Russia. It's ridiculous. Everyone should really stop from time to time and think about how they're getting manipulated by propaganda.

[–]MushFarmer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The whole Russia thing is a made up Boogeyman to scare and distract you from the corruption of the democrat party in the USA (and the status quo dem/repub system in general). That is why nothing is coming from it except media headlines.

[–]prncpl_vgna_no_rlatn 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (34子コメント)

Agreed. We must fight our oppressors, not each other.

[–]glad1couldk3k 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (26子コメント)

So you're for fighting against Islam then too? Or do you make an exception there...hm

[–]_arkar_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The ones inside it that conduct oppression - sure. And note that most of that oppression is towards other people that also call themselves Muslims.

[–]Literally_A_Shill 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Agreed, but how do you fight Russian and Chinese oppressors? Especially when they start annexing other nations and illegally interfering with foreign elections?

[–]finalaccountdown 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (16子コメント)

agreed. this whole anti Russia push is fucking weird and I dont like it.

[–]Literally_A_Shill 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think the whole pro-Russia push is even weirder. People act like criticizing them is the same as wanting war. Like they should just be allowed to annex, hack, interfere, kill and be as corrupt as they like and anybody who isn't turning a blind eye to it is a war-monger.

[–]ProWresBlog2 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wouldn't call "why don't we try to get along with Russia?" as a pro-Russian push.

[–]Undercover_Mop 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem is that every superpower in the world today is like that, and the one who is criticizing others for being like that is the US when we might just be the worst. You don't think the US hacks or interferes with elections? Or even kills others? Or takes over territory?

The scary part about the anti-Russian push is that it completely disregards the shitty things the US has done and targets/blames them for things without any evidence. It's like they're trying to start a war.

[–]darexinfinity 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

By all means, every country who get interfered with by the US has a reason to start a war. But I doubt even those countries that just sweep their issues with the US under the rug.

[–]Brinner 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thank you, Literally_A_Shill (wait a second...) Russia is a hostile authoritarian state actively seeking to undermine the US using cyberwarfare and active disinformation campaigns. I don't want war with Russia. I don't even want another cold war - although Russia seems to. I understand that war is terrible and should be avoided at all costs. But within the past 4 years Russia has invaded sovereign nations and interfered with our elections and suddenly the chickenhawk cold warriors of the past want to just move on?

[–]theycallme_bigmike 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But let's also look who the gov is bringing into Europe. So we're at war with the gov and muslims who want to destroy the West. Take a good look at western Europe

[–]123xyz8 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know, I'd trust Chinese citizens more if they would stop claiming Taiwan is part of the PRC, and by extension it's aggressive claims to the Nine-Dash Line. But they all buy the Chinese government's propaganda(yes, even the younger generation who may have a distaste of the totalitarianism of the gov't but still also firmly believe in China's claim to Taiwan).

[–]ShikiLaZam 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Governments? Have you seen the talk from the Left?
They are basically classifying Russians as the DEVIL without any proof.

What government? Its the people who do it (they are idiots who trust whatever their leader tells them).

[–]SethRichForPrez 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

America elected the candidate who doesn't want to go to war with Russia or China.

[–]Quint-V 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This post is stupid in so many ways. Pot calling the kettle black.

For USA in particular, that government is the result of a seriously awful political system in which neither of the big two parties have any incentive to make it more democratic or anywhere near reasonable, and besides that, people have voted in a ludicrous idiot for god-knows-why. Idiocracy has never come closer than this. Also worth noting is just how much political power money gets you.

[–]sovietpandas 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

people were ready to elect a neo-republican woman just to satisfy their first women president needs while a old white man continued to fight for rights for everyone and no one cared

[–]Lord_Wrath 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have both Russian and Chinese friends. We really don't give a fuck what our governments think we just get fucked up at bars and talk about girls.

[–]YourGayOpinion 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Americans and Russians are bros. The only people that want war with Russia are screeching Hillary shills.

[–]SoldierZulu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Careful with the use of the word "enemy." While I agree that those 3 governments are having serious issues right now, calling them the enemy is counterproductive.

[–]taranasus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh thank fuck this is starting to become a thing!

Yes, do not fight! Do not be dragged into wars, do not be fooled by this shit. You are not a patriot for killing and dying in the petty squabbles of power hungry men and women.

All of these fights and deaths are pointless, it's just a claw at power through a propaganda machine. The people of a nation are not the enemy, neither are their traditions or beliefs. It is their leadership that's causing this, theirs and your own.

International trade and technological development has made life better for most, it gave us the internet for god's sake. We are a civilisation thats much more evolved than fighting for land and resources. There is no more need for this, do not allow it to continue any longer.

Also if you think the government had the best interest to their country and people in mind, just look at current events and asses what they get out of all of their actions as opposed to what you get.

No more wars for power,, fighting should always be for defense, never for offense.

[–]ItsBiggy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is ridiculous. Another war would cost too much. There won't be another war for a long time

[–]beardbutter 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is definitely the goal of at least America(where I live) our governments goal is to weaken the American people by dividing us and our values. They want us to go into a civil war so they can keep the corrupt power over us. Bless you kind soul for this beautiful reminder that we all desperately need be constantly mindful of.