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Unruly moderator(s) on /r/StarWars (self.ModSupport)

aaronr93 が 投稿

Edit: Please read the comments before you comment. I've had some opinions changed.

I was unjustly banned from /r/StarWars 2 days ago with no warning, no legitimate reason, and no professionalism. I protested the ban; what followed was shockingly insulting and unprofessional:

http://puu.sh/uZdk1/a72412dc91.png

He broke pretty much every guideline in the book from Moderator Guidelines for Healthy Communities.

What can I do? At this point I don't care about participating there, but I think this injustice (which can't be the first of its kind) should not be ignored.

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[–]zomboi 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Dude, you were the dick in the screenshot that you are showing.

You broke one of their subreddit rules. Your ban was justified. You felt that the ban was too aggressive of a punishment and wanted just a warning for you breaking a subreddit rule. You felt insulted at being ignored that the mod team wouldn't argue with you about your ban.

There was no injustice. The mod team was professional. The ban was warranted. You are a dick. You have no recourse to get your ban lifted.

The only recourse you have is to move on with your life and accept the fact that you can't post in a single internet forum about Star Wars. Go post on any other the thousands of other internet forums about Star Wars.

[–]aaronr93[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The mod team was professional

Really?

You know what, buddy? Go. Just go. And don't let the god damned door hit you in the add.

You have been temporarily muted from r/StarWars. You will not be able to message the moderators of r/StarWars for 72 hours.

[–]zomboi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, that is professional.

They explained why you were banned. You don't agree with the ban and were trying to be lawyer like, saying that your ban was unjustified. The Mods got sick of your whining, told you to go and muted your ass.

Are you insulted that they muted you, banned you or used a (very) light curse word when they told you to move on?

[–]aaronr93[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was insulted at the ban, but /u/Fonjask's comment made me realize that I did not handle this right...I was super frustrated and fucked up

[–]aaronr93[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And I said,

At this point I don't care about participating there

[–]ReverendDS 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It sounds like they got tired of you posting things that are against the community rules.

Then they got tired of your stupid arguing with them about it.

What's your problem again?

[–]aaronr93[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hidden Rules. I was banned for a reason that is not listed on the rules.

[–]Heptite 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No you weren't. You were banned for violating posted rules.

[–]-JAS0N- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's nothing you can do. I know you don't want to hear this but they have complete control over the sub, who is allowed to participate, etc - reddit admins will not do anything. Btw, I looked through your comment history to see the offending post and I would agree with you that it isn't a ban worthy offence.

[–]aaronr93[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I was pretty sure it's a lost cause. Too bad, I love Star Wars. Thanks.

[–]Fonjask 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

For people interested - this is the post in question, which is indeed a sexual innuendo.

First of all this is not the right subreddit, which to me just shows you have a problem interpreting (or reading) rules. See the sidebar: "This subreddit is a point of contact for moderators to discuss issues with reddit admins, mostly about mod tools."

with no warning, no legitimate reason, and no professionalism. I protested the ban; what followed was shockingly insulting and unprofessional:

No warning: isn't needed. Their sub, their rules.
No professionalism: isn't needed. It's an internet forum run by random volunteers. They're not professional by definition.
Insulting and unprofessional response: I'm not surprised, after you're setting deadlines to unpaid volunteers, and are issuing threats of harassing and spamming invidivual members of the mod team (which breaks Reddit's Code of Conduct, by the way). If they reported your modmail to the admins, you'd be the one getting reprimanded. Not them.

While in theory you did not post "sexualization of characters and people" or a directly "NSFW" post - you managed to somehow sexualize an inanimate object and post it to this obviously non-NSFW subreddit.

I bet that you would've gotten unbanned with a warning if you were polite and reasonable to the mods, and said you misinterpreted the rules with a suggestion to rephrase their "sexualization"-rule to make it clearer.

[–]aaronr93[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

sigh... yeah. It hurts to hear, but I think you're completely right. I'm sorry for letting my frustration take the better of me.

[–]Fonjask 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Takes guts to admit you were wrong - I can appreciate that. Hope to have given you some insight into this from the perspective of a mod. I'm sure the mods of /r/StarWars would like to hear your apology as well (although perhaps in 3 days from now).

As for the missed modmail - while it's a shame they missed responding to you the first time, it is a huge subreddit, and modmail is easily lost or falls between the cracks of two moderators checking modmail at different times.

[–]aaronr93[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Makes sense. I'm usually able to keep my head down, and I strictly follow all rules and guidelines to the letter IRL and online...I just don't think I handled a small "injustice" well

[–]Bardfinn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

this gif, right?

Which is only NSFW or sexual if given that context. Your title was "almost there, almost there", or summat. The title on imgur was "I'm just going to leave this here".

Apparently the /r/StarWars mods believe that you are responsible for the imgur title?

At any rate: moderator guidelines for healthy communities are moderator guidelines. They're not rules, and they're not a recourse for people who are banned, justly or unjustly.

They're a reminder that the kind of bullshit pulled by the /r/starwars mods here will get their community a reputation for being poorly run, and that will lead to them being unsuccessful.

You likely have little or no recourse here officially. You do have your story; if you write it well, then every time you come across someone discussing the /r/starwars community, you can contribute to their reputation. In this case, a reputation for being dicks.

Banning people without warning for non-violations, for a sexual innuendo they read into the post, is poor behaviour. They should wear that reputation whenever and wherever possible. Perhaps in the future they'll learn that banning a user from their community only works when they ban a user for actually breaking rules, instead of for them having a bad day.

[–]aaronr93[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure. I think my gif technically didn't break the rules, but did break the read-between-the-lines rules of the sub (gif is obviously sexual in a strictly non-sexual sub...). I was crossposting it between subs and didn't think.

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