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[–]Hooman_SuperCERTIFIED DANK 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

salt is best seasoning

[–]lpsidler 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (20子コメント)

They still killed a shit ton of Russians

[–]Fizzy_Bubblech 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Of course they did, it's easy to kill civilians based on their ethnicity and religious beliefs to fulfill the goals of a racist ideology as well as killing un-armed POWs.

[–]Psyoniix 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (16子コメント)

The Soviets lost at least 11 million soldiers fighting in the largest theatre of conflict in human history. The Germans lost about 2.5 mil on the Eastern Front.

Edit: Downvoted for stats, ok. I'm trying to cite a neutral source.

[–]Fizzy_Bubblech 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Including POW deaths, the Soviets had 10.6 million dead/missing, and 1.6 million living POWs, for a total of 12.2 million irrecoverable losses. Compared to the Axis (excluding Soviet collaborators pressed into service- so just counting the ones who died fighting rather than being captured), there were 7.3 million Germans killed/captured/missing. Factor in the other Axis allies (just subtract POW deaths from the POW numbers, and then add that number to the total deaths number), and you get the following irrecoverable losses:

Axis: 9,118,000

Soviet: 12,200,000

This can be further confirmed by comparing Soviet to German casualties after the first few months. No one really has any doubts that the German army invaded and surprised the Soviets who did not prepare for war. But if you take 1941 out of the equation and just maintain that the Soviet army from that point was comparable or superior to the German one, things start looking a lot different. The Soviets had over 3,600,000 men killed or captured during the first six months (Operation Barbarossa), while the Germans had 235,000 irrecoverable losses (186,452 killed, 40,157 missing, 11,000 captured) in the same period albeit with a proportionally high "wounded/crippled" figure. Which means, from late 1941 to 1945, irrecoverable losses were:

Axis: 8,830,000

Soviet: 8,600,000

However, Germany did not fight alone. The Axis Minors fought with them, and adding up only Hungary, Italy, Romania, and Finland adds another 1,725,000 casualties to the German side.

This isn't even adding the Japanese soldiers that died or got captured during the Manchurian operation

Also it is important to state that the Soviets spent most of the war on the offensive which is more costly in equipment and manpower

[–]GoogleStoleMyWife 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The Soviet invasion if Manchuria only accounted for about twenty thousand Japanese casualties.

[–]Fizzy_Bubblech -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

21,000-83,000 killed indeed (plus possibly hundreds of thousands captured which we won't include), my point still stands

[–]GoogleStoleMyWife 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You're going to believe Soviet sources?

[–]Fizzy_Bubblech 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not going to completely ignore them, that's why I said 21,000-83,000. That's not the point though

[–]GoogleStoleMyWife 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

WHAT'S THE POINT?

[–]Fizzy_Bubblech 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The point is that the number 2.5 million lost was incorrect. I then explained some of the reasoning and situation behind the statistics of the casualties of Axis and Soviets

[–]GoogleStoleMyWife 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't even know what you're trying to argue. It's clear from every source that the Soviets lost more men than the Axis.

[–]Fizzy_Bubblech 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

2.5 million soldiers lost for the Germans is completely incorrect, that's what I'm pointing out.

That's r/shitwehraboossay material

[–]GoogleStoleMyWife 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It was more like 5 million.

[–]Fizzy_Bubblech 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Over 5 million deaths only, and that's excluding the other axis nations that the Soviets had to fight.

[–]GoogleStoleMyWife 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which accounted for about over a million losses. The Soviets took way more.

[–]Psyoniix 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not a wehraboo. I'm just using figures I found skimming an article from a neutral source. Take it up with the source.

[–]Kebab_remover- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

what are you trying to get out of this?

I don't think many people care about the losses, both were horrible regimes. The Soviet's did have many more losses, many of which has not been given out by the Russian government. many of these casualties were due to the "not one step back policy" of the USSR, it was the only way the Soviets could defend against the Axis in their prime.

[–]Psyoniix 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The only point I was making is that the Germans didn't just kill civilians, they decimated Soviet armies. The Soviet population never really fully recovered. I don't care what the actual numbers of German losses are.

According to the site I linked, and not Soviet propaganda or whatever it is that you're pulling those numbers from (citation, dude), the Soviets lost 11 million soldiers.

[–]Logern5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The purges left the army leadership completely decimated is why the Soviets were ineffective in combat.

[–]GoogleStoleMyWife -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Russians had labor camps too.

[–]p0nt913 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rule No. 1: Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

Rule No. 2: Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

[–]IntelligentlyIdiotic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Life doesn't matter in Russia, only victory.

[–]Gomka 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

and cyka blyat rush b vodka. Never forget.

[–]Butekk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[–]xX_Wet_grandma_69_Xx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some wet snow thingies that Melt in your hand

[–]DudeThatsAPotato(INSERT GENETALIA HERE) 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wasn't aware that angry wild Russians in their natural habitat was considered a season.

[–]UbervisorWait so I can just say anything here? -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are y'all actually ironically defending the Nazis?

[–]GoogleStoleMyWife -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's over simplification of the war but ok meme I guess.