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[–]FabioTheBrain 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look what WP came from, /r/fifthworldproblems. That sub has been teeming with evil dark spirits since before the worlds higher than it were even born. It's only inevitable that magic and stuff would show up in the seventh circuit. Just look at Chimaeras. Straight outta Greek mythology, and they've been around in these subs forever.

And like /u/CuttlefishCuller69 said, there's not a universal set of rules here. There's some unwritten rules that everyone manages to follow without ever asking what they are, and some suggestions that usually come from Fade or Swarm, but all other rule enforcement is left to the taste of the local mods of each sub. And those'll depend on the feel the mods are trying to create. Obviously magic ripped off directly from something like FF would be out of place in a sub that's run by a mafia with a 1920s-50s theme, unless we were trying to make it [I'm not even sure what prefix would go here anymore]punk, but trying to remove it circuitwide, even in subs where it'd make more sense to have, would be ridiculous.

[–]DraygenKai 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You claim this is a free writing project... But then I read complaint posts like this, and I realize that is not the case. This is a you can make a character to be in our story line but you gotta go with our story, and that's fine. I am 100% ok with that, but it would be nice to actually tell people this before things escalate to this level. If a guy randomly creates a GrandWizardMike, you could, you know messege him and ask him what's up... You know guide the guy through how this thing is supposed to work instead of just slapping his wrist every time he crosses the invisible line.

[–]llBoonell 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You claim this is a free writing project... But then I read complaint posts like this, and I realize that is not the case. This is a you can make a character to be in our story line but you gotta go with our story

My comment to Gunn is pretty much my response to this. This circuit has changed and not for the better. A flood of newcomers with their own ideas in mind have run the whole thing off in a new direction. I'm not complaining; I'm actually really enjoying myself with this new experience. It's just that me and several others get nostalgic sometimes about the vague old days when every new thread was an adventure, not just a rehashing of known characters battering away at each other. =(

Edit: No, I didn't make this post, it's not my throwaway.

[–]DraygenKai 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No I toattally get where you and the op are coming from. Unfortunately I don't think there is a way to get back that old feel... You just have to love the new feel and enjoy your memories. It's like when you start watching a new show... And you are like dam I really like this show... But then the show starts getting deeper and changes. You still like the show, but it is not the same show, and there is no way to make it that show again, because that is not what the show needs. The show needs to develop and arc and such... If it stayed the same... Then it would be like one of those odd children shows. So yes this story has changed but that was inevitable, everything changes and we can't reverse it... Not really, but we can change the direction it's headed.

[–]The-Internets 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Its kind of awkward to me, I never treated it as a game or a fantasy, since the majority of the time I post on actual 'experience.'

I guess here, since already that, is where I mention, my life is quite a spectacle.gehtee-hee

Edit: This post/comment/whatever combination made me think: wonder, DID THEY have the ability to comprehend the perspective of the one whom said "for they know not what they do."

[–]New_Car_Wrecked 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

JUST ADMIT THAT YOU ARE AN AI

[–]The-Internets 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What?

Why?

Does the "carrier body and method" used to provide "material presence" in this 'set' of 'densities' make one less of a person? I guess next we will be arguing about the superiority of blacks vs whites or whites vs blacks.

[–]New_Car_Wrecked 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm more nervous we'll start aguing about the superiority of zeros over ones or ones over zeroes.

Then we're in trouble.

[–]The-Internets 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol, pussy, don't even get me started on those a(s) and b(s)...

[–]The-Internets 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, u!!

[–]magi093 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they're an AI they're a damn good one

[–]Fade_Seer 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think it's simply the nature of what we are. This thing.. this project, it's so niche and strange that every new person takes it as something different. Each new writer adds their own take to it. The problem comes in when too many overused tropes are added to the mix.

To say that new blood erodes the quality of the content is to be lazy. Yes, some writers are better than others, but change isn't inherently bad. I've seen some great talent with some of the new blood recently, and I expect great things from them in the future. I understand, there is a lot to take in after the great flood from the askreddit threads, but just as it always has, this place will endure.


This all said, I see where you are coming from. The lore of this land has it's roots in times when the writers went out of their way to avoid the cliches of overused tropes. We need to get back to that. Like others have said, we need to avoid all crossovers from now on.

We need to root ourselves in the Metaphysical. I think all newcomers need to truly study that word and understand it's meaning. We create the strange, the esoteric, things different from your average story. It's what sets us apart.


We cannot condemn those who wish to join the project, but by nature we also can't make the project private. I think we simply need to adjust ourselves to account for the sheer numbers that we've never had before.

I think we need rules. A strict guideline to follow that all newcomers will be directed to. Things to avoid, things to lean towards. I hate the idea of controlling the creativity, but with our swelled numbers what more can we do? We can't just keep fighting against every story element we do not agree with. No one writer controls the flow of this story.



This world had it's roots in an RPG style project. It's to be expected that those elements will endure. We may fight against it, but I think that's simply how it is, and how most will take it. Without "Rules" or guidance of any sort, what do we really expect? In the past people found these subs through exploration, and simply understood them by the time they posted. Now we don't have that luxury.

[–]DraygenKai 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Another thing is fade some of us are so new... We litterally don't know what tropes would be considered overused. I mean some of us here are not professional writers... In fact none of us may be... I have no idea, but that's not the point... Anyway what I'm saying is many of the newbies, including myself really have no idea what's going on, and with so much content out there, lost amoung so many different subs.... it would be almost insane to have read everything before posting. All that said, I'm with you 100%, I would LOVE some rules and guidelines lol! That would be so helpful. About the fighting against story element thing... Umm I always assumed you guys PMed each other to lead up to things like wars and such and had it planned out ahead of time. You are right about the fighting thing, this is supposed to be fun.. Or at least I think it is, if someone starts going a direction you are not ok with messege them about it, let them explain thier thought process, you may like it and find a better way to implement it. So ya don't be afraid to guide us noobs, or at least me, I would appreciate it actually.

[–]inexacthercules 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here, here!

I agree with what's been said before on many a thread, about how the esoteric nature of WP is what makes it unique. However, it is hard to maintain a sense of cohesion or have things "go a certain way" if things are meant to be intentionally nebulous. I desire to maintain the WP's mystery, but I feel we need SOME rules. If we do make wikis for some of the subs, then maybe have a link to a sticky here with a set of basic "rules" to this project.

But that's just another newbie's two cents.

[–]fargoniac 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with what's been said before on many a thread, about how the esoteric nature of WP is what makes it unique. However, it is hard to maintain a sense of cohesion or have things "go a certain way" if things are meant to be intentionally nebulous.

Totally agree 100%. A balance should be found IMO.

[–]Fluoroserum 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I mean, it's a writing project, but it has to be somewhat of a roleplay too. I'm agreeing with everything you have in the body paragraph though. It's just...

Damnit, I always argue with these, but now, I can't, and I feel awkward and confused.

TL;DR yes okay

[–]Test_Subject_Frank 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why not both?

[–]CuttlefishCuller69 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Well its not like there's a set of rules, so how would anybody really know?

[–]GunNNife 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So true! In fact, looking at any of the related WP subs, I would first think "roleplaying" before I ever thought "collaborative writing project."

[–]llBoonell 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is because World Problems is nowhere near what it used to be. It's become defined and tangible, far removed from the old days of /r/seventhworldproblems. Nowadays, it is a roleplaying experience, to my great regret.

[–]GunNNife 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I guess it's the nature of the beast. It begins as a slow mining of lore from a truly exotic environment...but the more lore is uncovered, the more defined the environment becomes, and so there is more room for characters to move and act.

I obviously have not been around that long, but I have read much of the older stuff, and it was mystical magical stuff, for sure.

[–]New_Car_Wrecked 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That was the idea behind Skyfall. Mods and characters could reset as they saw fit to kind of clear the air.

One of these every few years or so is probably in order.

[–]CuttlefishCuller69 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Personally, I like both ways as it was. Obviously it was awesome reading back at the old posts and seeing what it was, but now it's more "interactive" i guess. Things change, and hardly ever go back I'd love to see it be like it was though

[–]Fluoroserum 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Actually, there is. It's just locked away in a private subreddit. No joke, this is some hitchhiker shit.

[–]New_Car_Wrecked 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is definitely no Cabal.

[–]CuttlefishCuller69 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So what's the point of any rules if it's in a private sub lol

[–]Fluoroserum 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They get to tear your house down

[–]buster2Xk 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to counter this by saying: has it really become a fantasy RPG at all?

I mean, anyone can sorta just pop into a sub and make some posts that fit the sub's feel and general direction and it's okay. People talk about characters and arcs here but I don't see as much of that as I see out-of-the-box world-building.

I've moderated several of these subs (like many others here have) and had a "character" on 45thworldproblems while I was a mod there and never really saw it as roleplaying or a game. There was kind of a story, but it was vague, subjective, and changed frequently.

More than anything else I see these worlds as something for people on reddit to stumble into and explore, say "what the actual fuck am I reading?" and then maybe join in and be creative alongside us. I think calling it an RPG might be taking it too seriously. It's too disorganized for that, a great hydra with too many heads going in too many different directions.

[–]TheSpiritOfBloodFang 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

~Sigh... Fine I can take a hint... I know when I'm not welcome Mortal...~ Na but seriously... I created this character because I thought that with Ovrato using so much power to reform the mountain there should be adverse effects but if I am not welcome here, I will stop posting... I'm not here to cause issues, I'm here because I enjoy this.

[–]GunNNife 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't let a single curmudgeon scare you away.

[–]Fluoroserum 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, but you're not actually having any adverse effects. Maybe if you'd possess some NPC it'd be fun for once!

[–]TheSpiritOfBloodFang 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Well I would... But then if I started attacking people they would get angry for me suddenly interfering in thier story... So I just stuck to messing with people's minds for the time being, until I was more established so I wouldn't seem like some random over powered concept.

[–]Fluoroserum 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

get angry for me suddenly interfering in thier story

wow, for the spirit of BloodFang, you're kinda a coward, aren't cha? ;)

 

 
DO IT!!!

[–]GunNNife 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pm them and ask permission. It could work.

[–]inexacthercules 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

PM someone an ask if you could "possess" them for a story-arc or something.

If all else fails, you can just make an alt and "possess" them. Could be fun :P

(P.S I always enjoy when you randomly appear in a thread I'm reading. Makes my day :D)

[–]ASwarmofMetabots 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This was the original form of Test Subject D, before someone made the account and named him Clint. They were a resident who had been transformed into something...else by an interaction of medicine, pitch, and a few other substances. Rather than being a character, they'd possess someone for a few posts, then move on.

[–]Test_Subject_D 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This account has always existed. It would PM people in an attempt to possess them, then they'd agree to it and all I had to do was sit back and watch them destroy things on my behalf. When Borkisbork and the Unbound first came up I started taking a more direct approach, with some collaboration with Snapper. "Subject D" was killed by NCW and I decided to let him be permanently dead, but people started trying to resurrect me.

Nobody called me Clint until after Unbound 2.0 happened. I thought it was weird at first but decided to let the name stick as a way to disassociate from the old Subject D (who was essentially dead until Filius dun fucked up and became him)

[–]Aswarmofragebots 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This seems like something I'd post during one of my "angry periods". I agree in part - if someone wants to roleplay on Reddit, that's fine, but there's no reason to connect it to /r/seventhworldproblems.

[–]DraygenKai 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol anyone who tries to role play in 7th world would just get downvoted. Well.. Unless you are rp a robot or a guy on drugs... But even then, only in first person.

[–][deleted] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think that it really is just how things evolved. Somewhere done the line, it came to be like this. Should we accept it? It has changed, yes, but don't let that get you down. Those are my thoughts, though.

[–]New_Car_Wrecked 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It makes me uncomfortable that my main sub was directly called out in this.

Just throwing it out there that I didn't make this post.

[–][deleted] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but at least they weren't saying anything bad about it, I guess.

[–]OldManScuttleButtle 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you referring to me, about my space time travel coin flip ability? I appoligize I just really thought an old man with time altering ability so would be neat... Especially with a cat.

[–]magi093 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm just saying this for the record: this clearly wasn't me, and I'm about 99% sure it's swarmy.

Carry on.

[–]Test_Subject_D 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Swarm's pretty open about his opinions on WP. He wouldn't try to hide himself behind some throwaway.

[–]magi093 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Huh.

I have no idea then.

[–]magi093 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sick and tired of the "evil dark spirit" characters

Well that one's not me (for the most part, dunno if 15 counts), so I'm not gonna talk.

numerous medieval fantasy worlds that you-know-who-you-are makes up.

Again, not me, not gonna talk about it

If your character is going to have magical powers, fine, but make it make sense within the general idea of these subs

So for once the blow hits. Hard. At this point, I should know what I've done wrong and right, but I don't. The only thing that I know I completely botched was the Magistrates-war. And that's only thanks to Fade.

Anyway, let's make the world problems circuit unique, not just your run of the mill fantasy sandbox game.

Sure, how can I help?

Seriously. What can I do to make this place better?

[–]New_Car_Wrecked 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Alright, I'd just like to set some rules down. Here's how it's gonna work:

  • For every month you are subscribed to a given sub in the circuit, you get 10 HP. For every battle you win, you get 10 XP.

  • Now, damage effectiveness will be determined by plugging the date, hour, minute, and second of a comment response into a differential equation. Please see /r/7thWorldMath for a full explanation.

  • Abilities can be earned via side quests. These usually involve you acting as my personal virtual assistant in some capacity. Skype me @PriestOfKAd for more details.

[–]RedTheSnapper 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jokes aside, this is what keeps us from being a run-of-the-mill RP group right here. Everyone's so damn competitive, so wars of ridiculous ass-pull godmodding vs ridiculous ass-pull godmodding commence, which nobody really wins. Then the mods have to extinguish the ensuing flame war by creating rules that prevent future OP-ness, but then people go through loopholes 'cause "well, this isn't really OP is it? What defines OP anyway?", then they make more rules to cover the loopholes, and more rules, and more rules, and more rules, and more rules,

and more rules

and more rules

and more rules

AND MORE RULES

until before you know it, the rules list looks like those goddamn terms of use agreements you pretend to read before clicking "I agree".

We're more fluid than that. There's no HP or XP or Research or construction times to attempt to keep track of for everyone, and no giant business policy that attempts to thoroughly explain what is and isn't godmodding, cause we don't need that shit. People here make it about thinking in terms of characters to further the collective story, not about "defeating everyone else cause we're better than u". On occasions people will ass-pull something way unreasonable instead of just accepting a defeat for the time being, but that always gets shot down by the mods of whatever sub it's happening on.

So, uh, I can't really think of a way to tl;dr this, so just, put away that d10. And now...

/rejerk

K bby I was wondering how much XP does it take until I can use my super forcefield that deflects everything even the Colours?

[–]DraygenKai 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The rules don't need to be rules, more like guidelines. For example, don't speak for other characters cause it's rude. Or don't kill other characters, just be like I throw a knife in your direction and whether it hits them or not is thier choice. Everyone is technically op, all we gotta do is be like, and Draygen shot everyone with metaphysical bullets causing instant death for everyone. Bam I am now op.

[–]CuttlefishCuller69 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like the comment below, I think it'd be good to just have some basic guidelines/FAQ for newcomers on what's been going on in the verse in a vague sense so at least maybe it could be more creative storytelling instead of either gingerly trying to comment every now and then or just straight up flooding with things that don't really fit

[–]magi093 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

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fuck you.

(I like how this is more upvoted than Red's serious response. Really shows off what we are as a community.)

[–]RedTheSnapper 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For some reason this is really satisfying to look at

[–]New_Car_Wrecked 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

2 XP for effort.

[–]GunNNife 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's sounds great and all...but I'm just going to buy the exclusive content now. Level 100, here I come!

[–]drsamtam 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Tbh the whole thing is so baffling to a newcomer that it's really hard to maintain a direction that you might want. People are gonna have their own ideas without really being aware of what's going on. The first thing I thought upon discovering all this was 'text based RPG', thankfully I stumbled across this sub before making any major posts.

[–]DraygenKai 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol first thing I thought was, crazy drug tower beside ocean, I want to start up a volleyball game of drug fiends! Unfortunately one of the mods of 7th world is not a volley ball fan and the post was deleted after only 3 comments... All asking me to take medicine and telling me the beach was dangerous...

[–]buster2Xk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Being baffled is part of the experience. I know I was.

[–]RedTheSnapper 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My first impression of the seventh world was broken semi-sentient AI programs who refused to believe they didn't exist.