UPDATE:
I’ve adjusted the scoring and categories a bit because the test was skewed somewhat toward lower scores. For those who have arguments with my scoring system, understand that it is based on averages. I’m sure everyone knows a 34 year old woman who is just as hot as the average 22 year old girl, but the exceptions don’t make the rules.
And a note on BMI:
I used the 1959 Met Life height-weight insurance charts as guides as they are the most accurate (before American “grade inflation” made obese the new normal). A 5’10” 140lb woman would have a BMI of 20.1, which puts her well within the most desirable BMI category.
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If you are a woman, this test will measure your dating market value. The higher the number, the better quality man you can catch. The lower the number, the more likely you will find yourself surrounded by cats. Unlike the male version of this test, here I have added a sliding scale to some of the questions because this better reflects the outsized importance that certain factors have on a woman’s total sexual value.
Guys, you may take this quiz for your girlfriends or wives to see if you have settled for tepid sex once a week or if you always get hard looking at her and never forget her birthday.
1. How old are you?
15 to 16 years old: +5 points
17 to 20 years old: +10 points
21 to 25 years old: +8 points
26 to 29 years old: +3 point
30 to 33 years old: 0 points
33 to 36 years old: -1 point
37 to 40 years old: -5 points
41 to 45 years old: -8 points
46 to 49 years old: -10 points
over 49: you’ve hit the wall. waysa?
2. How important is makeup to your appearance?
It slightly enhances my looks: 0 points
I look like a different woman with makeup: -1 point
I’m a natural beauty. My morning face looks the same as my evening face: +1 point
3. What is your IQ? (This relates tangentially to your ability to connect emotionally with a man.)
Under 85: -1 point
85 to 100: 0 points
101 to 120: +1 point
121 to 145: 0 points
Over 145: -1 point
*****
The following ten questions deal with the physical attractiveness of your body.
4. Your breast size is:
Bee stings up to A cup: -1 point
B cup: 0 points
C cup: +1 point
D cup, naturally firm: +2 points
DD cup, firm: +1 point
E cup and up: 0 points
5. Your breasts look firm and pert when you wear:
A bra: 0 points
An underwire push-up bra: -1 point
Nothing: +1 point
6. How long are your legs in relation to your height?
Long: +1 point
Average: 0 points
Short: -1 point
7. What is the shape of your ass?
Flat: -1 point
Round and fleshy: +1 point
Round, fleshy, and firm: +2 points
Flat and saggy: -2 points
Just average: 0 points
8. How flat is your stomach?
Cutting board flat: +1 point
Slight pouch: 0 points
Muffin top: -1 point
Flabby beer gut and fupa: -10 points
9. How toned are your upper arms?
Very toned, I can see my triceps: +1 point
Average, not flabby: 0 points
If I hold my arm out, I can wobble the fat underneath my upper arm: -1 point
10. How big are your hands?
Delicate piano fingers, proportionally small: +1 point
Average size: 0 points
Manhands: -1 point
11. Where is there hair on your body?
My head and pubic area only: +1 point
I have to shave my legs daily and wax my bushy eyebrows: 0 points
I have dark forearm hair and a mustache: -1 point
Nipples, asscrack, and that giant mole on my back: -2 points
12. Get a tape ruler and measure around your waist and your hips. Divide your waist number by your hip number. This ratio is:
0.65 to 0.75: +1 point
0.55 to 0.64: 0 points
under 0.55: -1 point
0.76 to 0.85: 0 points
0.85 to 0.95: -1 point
over 0.95: -2 points
13. What is your BMI?
(Go here to calculate your BMI. The scoring of female BMI varies somewhat from that of male BMI because aesthetics, not just general health, have to be taken into consideration.)
under 14.1: -10 points
14.1 to 15.0: -5 points
15.1 to 16.5: 0 points
16.6 to 17.4: +3 points
17.5 to 21.0: +10 points
21.1 to 23.0: +3 points
23.1 to 24.5: 0 points
24.6 to 28.0: -5 points
28.1 to 33.0: -10 points
over 33.0: stop taking this quiz. you get nothing! you lose! good day madam!
*****
The next ten questions are the section of the test that measures your facial beauty. Since so much of a woman’s dating market value resides in the appeal of her face, I have chosen to examine some traits in finer detail. To illustrate how very subtle changes in facial characteristics can mean the difference between beautiful and ugly, look at these two photos:
I do not even have to label these photos because almost all my readers viewing them, men and women, will instinctively know which is the hot girl and which is not. Remember this the next time someone tells you beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
14. On a scale of 1 to 10, how pretty are you?
Note: Do not bother soliciting the opinions of the following people, because they will not give you a truthful answer.
Your family.
Your heterosexual female friends.
Your homosexual male friends.
Your heterosexual male friends who would sleep with you given the chance.
Instead, put your pic up on hotornot and check back in a week. Otherwise, go with what you’ve overheard through the grapevine by people who weren’t your close friends, or suck it up and try to be as honest with yourself as possible. Lesbians will also give you an accurate appraisal as long as it is through a third party and not directly to your face. Use the photos above as guidelines. Adjust your rating based on how close your facial morphology matches one or the other.
0: don’t bothering finishing this test.
1 to 2: -10 points
3 to 4: -5 points
5: -1 point
6: +2 points
7: +5 points
8 to 9: +8 points
10: +12 points
15. How clear is your skin?
No acne, blemishes, or poorly located moles: 0 points
Some combination of the above: -1 point
People are always telling you how silky smooth your skin looks: +1 point
16. Do you have any noticeable deformities?
Yes, minor: -1 point
Yes, major: -10 points
No: 0 points
17. How full are your lips?
Pencil thin: -1 point
Average: 0 points
Juicily plump: +1 point
Weirdly oversized: 0 points
18. How high is your forehead?
Low: -1 point
Average: 0 points
High: +1 point
19. How long is your jawline from ear to chin?
Long: -1 point
Average: 0 points
Short: +1 point
20. How big is your chin?
Small: +1 point
Average: 0 points
Large: -1 point
21. How big is your nose?
Small: +1 point
Average: 0 points
Large: -1 point
22. In proportion to the size of your face, are your eyes:
Large and saucer-like: +1 point
Normal-sized: 0 points
Small and beady: -1 point
23. Is the distance between your eyes:
Wide: +1 point
Average: 0 points
Narrow: -1 point
The bottom line on female facial beauty is that as the lower half of her face becomes smaller and more delicate, making her eyes and cheekbones appear more prominent, the better looking she will be.
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The final eleven questions measure your femininity, sexiness, and pleasing personality traits. This is the closest to “game” that women have at their disposal. It isn’t much, which is why the scoring is lowest in this section.
24. You frequently wear sexy lingerie, even when not prepping for a hot date.
Yes: +1 point
Special occasions only: 0 points
Never. Ripped and stained comfy granny panties only: -1 point
25. When someone gets hurt you are the first to ask if they are OK and to deliver aid if needed.
Almost always: +1 point
Occasionally: 0 points
Almost never: -1 point
26. You are highly competitive and often play co-ed team sports.
Yes, and I will throw an elbow if necessary. My shelf is filled with trophies: -1 point
I like to exercise on nice days with one on one sports like tennis: +1 point
I’m competitive with other girls, but not guys: 0 points
27. When a guy approaches you in a bar, regardless of your attraction for him, you:
Smile and look at him: +1 point
Pretend like you don’t notice him coming: 0 points
Frown and tell him you’re talking to your friends before he even gets a chance to say Hi: -1 point
28. On a first date the check arrives for dinner and drinks. You:
Offer to split the check or even pay in full: +1 point
Smile and thank the guy when he pays for the check: 0 points
Forget to thank him after he pays for your ungrateful ass: -1 point
29. You are about to have sex with a guy for the first time. He undresses and his penis is small. Do you:
Tell him how great his cock looks and feels?: +1 point
Say nothing: 0 points
Look surprised and stifle a laugh: -1 point
30. You think blowjobs are:
Great! You give them spontaneously and there’s never any doubt how much you enjoy it: +1 point
An obligation: 0 points
Gross. You gave one after your BF proposed and spit it on his shoes: -1 point
31. Do you do anal?
Yes, and it makes me come to know how much it pleases my man: +1 point
Only when I get really drunk: 0 points
Never. It’s an exit only: -1 point
32. The number of sex positions you have tried is:
3 to 10: 0 points
Missionary and doggy style only: -1 point
I’m a contortionist: +1 point
33. How often do you curse?
I think I said damn once: +1 point
I blurt out fuck and shit a few times a week: 0 points
My mouth is a gutter: -1 point
34. You’d best describe your sense of fashion as:
I’m a label whore: -1 point
I hide my body under baggy tees and ill-fitting jeans: -1 point
I wear casual clothing that flatters my figure: 0 points
I wear stylish clothing on weeknights and I can handle heels over 3 inches: +1 point
My flip flops have my foot imprint in them: -2 points
*****
SCORING
There is a minimum of -83 points and a maximum of 64 points to earn based on the questions asked. The reason the minimum score goes lower than the maximum score goes high is because there are a few things, such as gross obesity, old age, or a major facial deformity, that seriously negatively impact a woman’s overall rating to the point of market extinction.
The scoring breaks down as follows:
-83: You are proof that god does not exist, but that satan does.
-82 to -56: You’re an omega. If it makes you feel better you will have your choice of male omegas to bang.
-55 to -40: The majority of men are disgusted by the sight of you. Your kind will suffer most when our sexbot overlords arrive. Losers hit on you constantly figuring they have a chance.
-39 to -20: You were born to cockblock. But you’ll manage to marry a table scrap.
-19 to -5: Lesser beta. The men you want make fun of you out of earshot. You spend many years learning how to settle for mediocre betas.
-4 to 14: Classic beta. Your hot friends always gets hit on first, but if you really tramp it up you can snag a slightly better than average guy to take you home for a single night of commitment.
15 to 29: Greater beta. More than a few attractive guys will approach you. But if your personality is flawed you risk becoming a pump and dump victim.
30 to 43: You are officially a nascent alpha female. A lot of quality guys will hit on you and you will be able to pick and choose at your leisure. But don’t push it. You’re not quite hot enough to string guys along forever.
44 to 55: You’re a bona fide hottie. Nearly every guy who meets you agrees you are a hottie. So does every girl. This puts you in the top 1% of worldwide womanhood. With great power comes great responsibility, so try to limit the number of men you torture with blueballs and LJFB rejections to fewer than 100 in your social circle. As long as you are not a complete bitch, marriage with a top quality man will come easily to you.
56 to 63: Guys want you, girls want to be you. You are just short of perfection, which paradoxically means you will get hit on more than the super alpha females. You are a player’s greatest challenge, and his greatest reward, because unlike the perfect woman there is still something human about you. Sex, love, security, commitment, easy living… you have it all. Only your demons can defeat you.
64: Super Alpha. The world is yours. Life is an endless parade of joy and excitement. Your power is illimitable… for now.
I hope everyone noticed what was missing from this test:
Your job.
The amount of money you make.
Your accomplishments.
Your social status and number of friends.
Your deep and profound worldview.
Unlike the men who took my Male Dating Market Value test, I do not expect *any* women to be completely honest with themselves taking the Female Dating Market Value test. The female ego is simply way too fragile to absorb the shock of such a brutal self-assessment. Therefore, I will be mentally subtracting 10 points from every woman who posts her score here in the comments.
Pupu would like to be the first gal to volunteer her test result:
First, it’s POSITIVE!
. Spot market value: borderline NAF
. Long-term value: GB
Pupu is very pleased with her results. Now, time for some ice cream.
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How funny!
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Upon reflection, Pupu adjusts her spot market value to upper-quantile GB, and her maximum long-term value to borderline GB.
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Wide space between the eyes is more attractive? Are you insane?
http://www.femininebeauty.info
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no, but you are
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Yay, according to this I’m just inside a NAF with a 33 or a GB if I use math, which I would still be okay with. Also surprised that I get a plus for being the girl that wants to split the check or pay, but honestly it depends on the date, if I know I’m not going to want to go on a date with him again I’ll offer to split. Then when I don’t go out with him again its not like he wasted money on some girl that he’ll never go out with again, its just him paying to feed himself. I mostly do that because I know that college guys are generally pretty tight on cash. If its a good date I’ll offer to pay, but I’ve noticed that if the date goes well he will insist on paying after I offer to pay. If the guy is just a total ass I’ll let him pay, but I’ll still smile and thank him. Just because I’ll be hoping to never see him again and avoiding his phone calls doesn’t mean manners have to go out the window.
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wow ur a bitch
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You fucken ass mango
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Wow, that’s just wrong. I have only once in my life (and I am 40) even considered not offering to pay for the bill while on a date, and that was because the guy was a total jerk all night, had 100% misrepresented himself, embarrassed me nearly every moment of our date, was completely and totally inappropriate the entire evening (yelling, snapping and criticizing the waiter and cook for no reason at all), and bragged the whole time about how much money he made (soo tacky!). So, at the end I thought to myself, “To hell with this rude jerk. If he makes so much damned money, he can pay the flippin’ bill.” Then I came to my senses, and insisted on splitting the bill 50/50. Today, I would absolutely insist upon paying the entire bill myself. Live and learn.
Also, you shouldn’t just “avoid” a man’s phone calls after deciding you no longer want to see him. You should have the common decency to let him know that while you enjoyed supper, drinks, or whatever, that you just don’t think you’re are a good fit. They don’t take it as badly as you think they might, and it’s much more rewarding to be an up-front and honest person. “Manners should not go out the window,” indeed!
I love this quote from your comment, “or a GB if I use math.” I’m guessing you didn’t rake-in the points on the IQ portion of the test. lol. What, praytell, else would you use to calculate your score besides math?? That’s just precious.
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I agree with you on not simply avoiding a mans calls. I have found that hurtful in the past, it says “I don’t respect you so I feel I am able to treat you like sh*t”. If she’s straightforward and honest I can get over it much quicker.
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Why don’t you post a picture of yourself? We need to see how ugly someone really is to be as mean spirited and sociopathic as you happen to be. Shut the fuck up and keep your fucked up ideas to yourself… If only assholes can get women then why are you having such a hard time? You happen to score high in that trait.
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Did your uncle touch you inappropriately?
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huh, doubt you would want to subtract 10 points from me. you can go to my site and see pics for yourself.
anyways, i got a 45. i am very happy with myself, self-assessment is cake…
ciao.
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The personality traits this test calls for often absurdly contradictory. You want a woman who loves anal sex but doesn’t use profanity? Good luck!
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That isn’t contradictory at all, just an unlikely pairing, learn the difference.
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Correct. The desired personality trait here is submissiveness and being ladylike. Or tiger in the bedroom but presentable to mom at Thanksgiving.
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Well I scraped in at 55 points. Lost points for having an above average IQ, and swearing too much.
I’d say if you took into account how much I drink, my PhD, my loner-writer sensibility, and the fact that most of my friends are attractive, creative, successful males you could never hope to measure up to… You’d have failed me on the spot.
Luckily, I’ve come across many a socially-inept The Game devotee, so I know you’re just upset because your mother stopped breast-feeding you too early. Don’t worry, there are plenty of PUAs in the world who will be happy to indulge your issues with women at a large fee. They can’t fix you, but they can totally take your money.
Now off to read about what you think women want from men…
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Well, actually you scored a 45 in a all technicality. But just a word to the wise, perhaps instead of lambasting this blog, perhaps you, as well as other self-righteous women, should take the poignant points it makes with consideration. You may read what he has to say and mutter to urself ‘what an asshole,’ but when you see these same traits in an alpha-male at a bar, you are easily captivated by the same traits you consider undesirable. It is because of the women’s inability to get out of her own way that sites like this still exist. Many woman are attracted to assholes. Face it. It doesn’t take a PhD to figure that out. And that’s not to say that men aren’t attracted to really shallow woman. We are. I morally disagree with this site. I really do. But I can’t help but find a lot of the entrees relatable and yes, even downright hilarious. whether you deny it or not, all men think like this. YES, all men. Even nice ones. Even the “attractive, creative, successful” betas that are hopelessly ensnared in the desolate state of friendzone status think like this. The only difference is that those men aren’t as blunt about it and really don’t care, because those men know that no girl can meet every expectation, and that all of the requirements that differentiate an alpha-female from a beta-female have no bearing on the success of an actual relationship. Let me tell you something. You may have scored a 55. Congratufuckinglations. But if you’re that pompous and egotistical in person, then no guy’s gonna give a shit whether you scored a 55 or a -6. Im just being painfully honest. the same goes to any male whose dick is big because he scored high enough to be dubbed an alpha-male.
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47. yay! i secretly love this blog.
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this math hurts my brain.
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Tell me about it! I started trying to work this out for my sister… quickly gave up on the basis that it asked questions that I really didn’t want to ask about my sibling!!!
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+11. Woohoo. So good to know I’m at least mildly fuckable by your standards.
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so underweight women are the most desired? awesome.
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so underweight women are the most desired?
no. slender women with 0.7 waist to hip ratios and 17-23 BMIs are most desired.
of course, if you’re a fatty then you’d have an incentive to classify such women as “underweight”.
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Just FYI, you might be an idiot if you think that a BMI under 18 is healthy. BMI below 18 is considered underweight on ALL BMI measures and charts, which you would know if you had more than three brain cells.
According to this incredibly sexist and degrading ‘test’, the most attractive (Ie, the most points) to this pig is 16.6 to 17.4: HIGHLY underweight.
And is anyone else just disgusted that someone with a genius IQ needs to subtract points? This sad excuse for a ‘man’ must have some pretty big issues with women… I really hope you get some help dude, hating women is no way to live.
Didn’t take the ‘test’, still know I’m hot as hell and crazy smart to boot, too bad I’m off the market! 🙂
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are you trying to tell me that all those 37 ga-billion women in SouthEast Asia are unhealthy?
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Cunty as hell too… subject a few points for that, hottie. 🙄
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Hell, subtract.
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Re: the IQ complaint: There actually is a statistical basis for this, and it goes both ways. Studies have shown relationships have a very high rate of failure when there’s more than a 20 pt difference in IQ scores. If you have a genius level IQ, that puts you well above the average man, and makes a long term relationship harder to maintain (but does greatly improve your odds with highly intelligent men). This cuts both ways; women with substantially lower IQs than their mates don’t tend to last. There hasn’t been any research into what exactly makes them break up, however. Does the smarter one get bored? Or does the less smart one get frustrated?
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I imagine the less smart one finds the smart one pretentious.
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I have a high IQ, but my ex-husband has a genius IQ, emphasis on the “ex” prefix. When we met and first began dating we were both working blue-collar jobs at the same business, but our careers had both advanced significantly by the time we married, then moreso by the time we divorced. I don’t know if this had anything to do with our divorce, as he never gave me a reason for why he wanted a divorce. I said “no” until he punched me in the nose, then I went down the next morning @0800 and filed myself. The day it was final he told me it was the worst mistake of his life which he’d regret forever, but he still would give me no answers as to why, and I surely wasn’t going to give a guy who’d punched me in the nose a second chance. Too late, buddy! Anyhow, this is food for thought… a possibility for “why,” about which I’ll likely never stop wondering. So, thanks for the info… appreciate it!
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fact you married an asshole who would punch you in the nose proves everything on this blog. you married an “alpha”
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More likely she married a sociopath.
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sociopath, alpha, tomato, tomahto…
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Healthy BMI is 18.5 to 25. A BMI of 17.5 is not ‘slender’ it is medically underweight and unhealthy.
The average UK IQ is 101, so by your standards a datable woman is: under 20; underweight; of below average intelligence; never swears; takes it up the arse (an ass is a donkey); loves blow-jobs and small cocks.
Excuse me while I wet myself laughing – “Where pretty lies perish”?? “Perpetrating as many stereotypes as I can get my hands on” may be more accurate.
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Well if she likes anal then I can see why she loves small cocks 😀
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😀
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dude…. you seriously define the word douche-bag. at least the site is comical, if slightly nauseating.
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@Anon: England lost the rights to governing their own language when they decided they were going to ignore every H during pronunciation. Ass it is.
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“Ignore every H”? Don’t use bloody Russell brand as your reference you fool!
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I’m sure you know, but you’re rather degrading. I agree with the anonymous before me.
I feel sorry for you.
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13 pt. Guess I am fuckable.
You should add 10 pt to my score cos I am a known perfectionist!
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sparkerx
It seems that the fact that men judge women on appearance offends your feminine sensibilities. It is nevertheless a biological fact, just as women judge men on their ability to protect and provide.
Invariably women have an inflated opinion of their appeal, or that of their friends when they have at best moderate dating capital. By the same token they denigrate the dating capital of the truly exceptional women, dismissing them as sluts or bitches or whatever when they subconsciously recognize their superior appeal.
This is why I NEVER would take a woman’s recommendation on which of their friends I should meet or who they think would be perfect for me. This guarantees sure as shit that she’s at best plain and uninspiring. Invariably you end up in the awkward position of blowing her off without offending your friend who made the introduction.
I know when I have hit the jackpot with a woman when each couple we walk by consists of a gaga guy staring and a jealous woman sneering and dragging him past. Nothing pleases me more; I live for it.
http://alphadominance.com/?p=554
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im 31 years. i scored 37. I was getting a lot of minus in the end… on the third part,,
Back to it, im 31, so i got zero point for age, still guys thinks im 22 and i have seen so many unattractive younger women, Whats all that with younger women? Im really satisfied with myself and im proud to be me me me 🙂
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no one thinks you’re 22… no one.
Trust everyone else
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“What is your BMI?”
This is a pretty bad question for the test. BMI was created in the 1800’s in Belgium by Adolphe Quetelet. In all probability I doubt that he did a cross cultural statistical study to come up with his bmi charts. Furthermore he doesn’t account for the difference between muscle mass and body fat. Thus the two women who have the same bmi may look drastically different: i.e. the athlete v.s. the couch potato. Since this question hold so much weight (a possible +10 pts) it would be much better to use a body fat%. While I can’t state this as fact I would pretty much bet that female athletes (volleyball, tennis, gymnastics, soccer, etc), professional dancers, fitness models, strippers, porn stars, pinup models, music stars (think Beyounce) and even movie starlets (I’ll take a small side bet on Angelina Jolie) will have BMI that are outside of the acceptable range of the “ideal.”
Snake Eyez
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Tara,
🙂
uh, I assume this is you.
mmm…55?
hmm.
50 effin’ 5?
are you super duper sure?
“Lost points for having an above average IQ, and swearing too much.”
OOOoh.
If you’re a 55 then…ahm. Never mind.
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Well I’m not going to waste my time checking, but…
Yeah, see, proof it doesn’t work.
That’s an inequitable act, by the way… to stay anonymous but research me and post my details. I guess it’s your prerogative. Makes me curious, though.
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Don’t get me wrong, nena. That would be a second mistake.
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Love it.
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Your BMI chart is skewed toward danger.
Anorexia nervosa is characterized by a body-mass index of 17.5 or lower. Adapted from the National Eating Disorders Screening Program Body Weight Assessment Tool, http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/340/14/1092/F1
You wrote that you calculated backward from weight/height stats on women in porn. Those numbers are fabricated. You’ve been deceived by “pretty lies.”
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Porn is exactly the correct place to find women who are of alpha appearance to MEN. If you think otherwise, you are invited to spend your own money producing/distributing porn that finds more cash buyers than what’s out there now. Money talks, bullshit walks.
The Anorexia thing is a gigantic racket invented for the purpose of providing revenue to the Therapy Industry. There’s less women who starve themselves to death each year, than get killed by lightning. And that is a statistical fact.
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listen expat. i am only a 30 on this quaint value scale so insults and assholish behavior does nothing but make me withdrawl out of insecurity. so i’m not going to engage with you anymore. sorry.
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oops
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again, a small dicked guy wrote this. sorry fella, but the male equivilent doesnt even deal with dick size and anyhone whos into the dick (str8 girl or gay guy) will tell you it plays a substantial rople, certainly when talking about sex.
girls want a big dick, just like guys wish they had a bigger dick.
dont discredit it and dont celebrate the liar girl who acts content with a small, even average dick – sorry little fellas out there, having a small dick IS negative and something that can be a deal breaker.
guys with little dicks can be happy, but their partners probably wont be (unless mr. little dick is their first and last and they dont know what tehjyre missing)
There are countless sayings “once ya go blacfdk, you never go back”: “once you try spic you want no other dick”, etc etc… the poiunt being its all about a big dick. Ive had previous fuck-b uddies/BFs and GFs call me up just to have a go on my member … they love my big dick and i think that gets you +5 in my opinion.
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actually, the vast majority of women prefer average sized penises, hence why the human penis is that size. one of the best guys i’ve ever been with was 4 inches. i definitely had my fair share of fun when i was younger. i was with a dude who was 10+ and he was just ok. it didn’t fit so it’s not like it was in any way better than a guy who can slam it home.
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On a porn site, I saw a series of films of women riding an orgasm machine — a saddle-like thing that had a vibrating dildo attached. The “cowgirls” could control the rate of vibration. I was surprised to see that the dildo wasn’t large — just average-sized. These ladies were having incredible orgasms. It made me think: If the idea was to create an orgasm machine, why would the dildo be average-sized and not big? (Keep in mind that this was just one series of films. Maybe there are other films of this machine fitted with a big dildo.)
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A big dick is probably psychologically sexier but if a woman is sitting on a hitech robocock i doubt they need any psychological assistance.
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*Completely* agree! Too big is just too big, it hurts and is no fun at all. Not to mention that skill counts for much more than size. Only ever been with one guy who was too small for enjoyment (but did his best to make up for it in other ways), and I’m fairly certain that he had a micropenis (that is a real thing. If you don’t know what it is, look it up).
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Are you honestly saying that guys would not be more attracted to a girl if she were turned off by their small penis? I just think guy are not that different than girls in that they like a little chase. Or a lot. Hence the guys that follow us around for years though we show no interest at any point. though that is pretty beta, maybe you are saying just from an alpha point of view? They do not want the easiest girl who is the “first to help out if you got hurt,” in my opinion. But then again maybe this is wishful thinking because I am pretty useless when it comes to guys I’m not attracted to and caring about their feelings. I will ignore you if I’m not interested.
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The BMI question–terrible. Since a BMI below 18.5 is considered unhealthy…I hope you really don’t like bulimic chicks?
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“The personality traits this test calls for often absurdly contradictory. You want a woman who loves anal sex but doesn’t use profanity? Good luck!”
Fucking hilarious! And I agree. Can anyone say Madonna/Whore complex?
I think this quiz isn’t too far off the mark if you are looking at attraction sans cultural context (although it’s funny, the boob question- TOTALLY cultural!). Evolutionary speaking, a lot of this stuff is pretty true, but to any biologist it would come as no surprise.
What I think you fail to appreciate, is that women aren’t as fragile as you think we are. You seem to be fooling yourself into believing that the male paradigm is the only one. Come over here, to my paradigm. I will show you what our tools/game are/is and how we get what we want. Your only flaw, as far as I can see at this point, is that you have bought into this notion that typically male characteristics make men more competent than women (“The female ego is simply way too fragile to absorb the shock of such a brutal self-assessment.”) when, in fact, they only make you a slave to your genetic drive to procreate (you may not want children, but the only reason the desire to fuck exists is to make us reproduce, after all).
I haven’t been on this sight long, so I know I do not have a complete picture of your point of view. I am intrigued, however.
It is all a game, between men and women, that has evolved for thousands of years, with the end result being the replication of a little genetic matter. My interests lie in giving the finger to all that genetically driven nonsense in order to take over this body to really do what “I” want. All of the above stuff, while true, is boring and predictable.
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this is the most fucking bullshit and ridiculous shit i have ever fucking wasted my time laughing at.
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Yeah, I’m a big fan and a fairly regular commenter, but this test is just silly. The objectivity of female beauty only goes so far. There’s always a giant standard deviation, I don’t think we can really quantify market value for either gender. I guess this is a decent rough estimation. Just as an experiment I scored exes and plenty of the ones I was more attracted to personally scored as little as half of some of the ones I was less attracted to. The most obvious flaw in this test is the lack of significance given to TNA, really it is the largest factor for most men but it accounts for very few points here.
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“1. How old are you?
15 to 16 years old: +5 points”
wtf??? How about -infinity points.
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let’s ask the 15-16 year old girls how often they get hit upon.
This isn’t a test of socially-acceptable. It’s a test of how men react to females IN THE REAL WORLD.
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It’s funny people often say I look 16 ish but I’m older. Men hit on me all the time anyway.
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Sooo what you are saying is that all men are pedophiles. Cool. I’ll keep that in mind.
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Sooo what you are saying is that you don’t know what pedophilia means. Cool. I’ll keep that in mind.
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Sooo what you are saying is that you don’t know what pedophilia means. Cool. I’ll keep that in mind.
Pedophilia: Sex with Non-Menstruating CHILD.
CUNT. ;D
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The science needs brushing up. Didn’t he get memo? BMI is invalid because of racial difference and not applicable as universal standard. Leave it to knuckle-dragging Fascista to be speaker of truth.
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Sexism is pretty cool right guys?
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I think you are missing a few categories.
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Sexism is pretty cool right guys?
so is truth. especially when it grates on shits like you.
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Idk man
All you’re really doing is rehashing a bunch of tried and tired stereotypes for men and women, and acting like its something pretty insightful. Good lord, the truth? The truth of what? That people are generally pretty shallow? That society kind of enforces this crap due to the media? Whoop dee fucking doo.
This stuff is really, really silly, and pretty much makes you look dumb. There’s no real science to this and I don’t think its possible to make a judgment on this. Too many factors, and this is just a reflection of your opinion as opposed to a representation of the general populace. Not really sure what you’re even trying to prove here.
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Who wants to hear about betas getting blurred, used and LJBF’d?
I want to hear success stories.
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There are basically three types of men: the alphas that make some betas feel wimpy and insecure, the betas who want to be alphas and the betas who get all the girls and are not douches and don’t give a fuck if they are “domineering” or “passive”.
Guess where most of the guys here fit in.
You guys who score insecure chicks (this is basically a checklist for insecure chicks) think you’re all alpha and shit. You’re not. You wouldn’t be able to have a real relationship with a woman if it bit you in the ass.
Oh, you don’t want relationships, you want anorexic perky breasted young girls. I get it.
Well, if you like them and if they fall like mad all over your feet, why waste your time bashing the “beta male”? He’s certainly dating women you wouldn’t date, right? Right?
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Lucy, the beta male is dating fatties like you! Right!
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32. The number of sex positions you have tried is:
3 to 10: 0 points
Missionary and doggy style only: -1 point
I’m a contortionist: +1 point
what? no option for 0? or are virgins supposed to be undateable lol.
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Unrealistic after a certain age and you know it.
Generally, the only girls who are still virgins after 25 are waiting to suck some poor sap into marriage, there is some cultural reasoning behind it, or they’re a deploring, disgusting human being.
Underline GENERALLY before all of you insecure cunts attack me.
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Hmmm
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Well I’m a virgin mostly because I find the male anatomy repulsive tbh. If I’m gonna put up with the unpleasantness of sex and the possibility of disgusting STDs yeah I think marriage/monogomy/some kind of commitment is called for.
I’m not insecure at all. This test is silly. All women are beautiful in my opinion.
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Yes, virgins are undatable 🙂
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I disagree with the anal sex question. I for one find it repulsive whether homo or hetero, and for me (I’m sure other guys too) if a girl is against anal, thats a plus.
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This is almost–but not quite–as stupid as you are. You must be one of those pimply-faced gamers who nevers spends much time in the real world. Women are laughing at YOU at your pathetic attempt at a blog/website, AND behind your back–but, you are probably used to this, as well as all the rejection from women you’ve experienced your entire unimportant life. Income and world views not listed? That’s because every woman would exceed yours, and thus making your already small penis feel and seem even smaller. What a joke. In a stupid insignificant kind of way.
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Woo-hoo, Lucy!!!! Good response!!!!!!!! And of course, “fatty”, is the natural response to any beautiful, empowered woman from a small-penised man!!!!!
Guys, look…I’m really sorry you were born with small anatomy, but it’s really not going to help your case to be bitter with women about it. We don’t want you. Or your small penises. I’m really sorry about that. But at least you still have your hand…I’m guessing…?
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Typically stupid responses from women who know nothing at all about men.
There are MANY types of Alphas, including those of the male oriented variety.
Male oriented Alpha males construct patronage organizations, and are often not of any interest at all to women. Examples would be the late Bill Walsh, coach of the 49ers, Tony Dungy, late of the Colts, and Eisenhower. All mentored younger guys throughout their career, and got huge amounts of loyalty in return. Lincoln was out of that mode, and women did not really find him attractive.
Female oriented Alphas can be “naturals” … i.e. early maturing physically, high status (Dad is important and with money) or naturally aggressive (fights with and intimidates other boys). Think Patriots QB Tom Brady or Fonzie on Happy Days. They can also be positional, i.e. ugly guys who become famous rock stars: Keith Richards, Steve Tyler, Ric Ocasec, Lyle Lovett, Kenny Chesney. Then there are self-taught guys who learn to pick up women, either by working out their own methods, or through “gurus” like Mystery.
Since women are hard-wired to want guys who are more powerful, socially dominant, and so on than they are … AND have reached parity, this leaves ALL guys who are not female-oriented Alphas out in the cold. The “best” they get is some gal rode hard, put away wet, who after 20-50 partners and rapidly diminishing attractiveness plus fertility in her mid thirties, wants a pliable and boss-able husband who will be a companion even if he does not excite her sexually/romantically. Probably the principal reason for high divorce rates.
Men only bond if they are really, the only significant and important lover for a woman. This is why the combination of human sexuality and restrictions on it most of the time worked to create lasting pair bonds for raising kids and companionate marriage after. Through intense sex with each other creating bonding chemical hormones. Well understood by science. The effect drops to near zero when too many partners are involved for the woman (and man).
Humans are unique in that they can reproduce to two basic patterns based on resources. When women don’t need a constant male support, the desire for women to pursue and have kids with the powerful dominant male (polygamy, which women love) is sustainable and successful. West Africa, modern Britain in the Welfare State, Black and Hispanics in the US Ghetto Welfare state, and increasingly independent earning White US women follow this pattern [20% illegitimate rate among White Middle class women, up from 4% in 1965.] The other way, requiring constant male presence is through monogamy.
If a woman wants a lifelong partner, her best bet is to rationally consider her time-limited (her looks fade fast) options. The supply of Tom Bradys is pretty limited, and they can and will dump a Bridget Moynihan for a Gisele Bundchen, younger and prettier. The same is true of Steve Tylers, or your local UFC fighter. The older a woman gets, the fewer men will commit to her and the lesser quality of men she’ll get. This is true of men as well, but their time window is longer, as long as they have power or wealth on their side.
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Lucy, men are not attracted to fat women. Reality check. Deal with it or not. Most men would prefer pr0n to fatties.
Second, given that men can be “waived” from the team so to speak, why SHOULD THEY commit to a woman?
What is so special about them, that they should not simply have as much sex as possible with as many women as possible, given women’s ability to dump THEM for a better “player at the position” so to speak?
If women want loyalty from men, above all else, it’s easily created. Simply refuse to sleep with sexy, powerful, dangerous bad boys, and only have sex with faithful “nice” guys. But nearly all women have to do this, otherwise the incentives fall apart. The probability of that is near zero, suggesting the big lie —
Women don’t CARE about faithfulness. They merely want dominance and excitement. Nearly all women would take an illegitimate kid with Tom Brady and being dumped for a lifetime of love and devotion from say, Donal Logue (to chose a fat, but charismatic actor).
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Grand generalizations.
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I’m 20 years old and i got a 26 score, so i’m a Greater Beta apparently. All my negatives were about my face, i think i’m butterz lol. And the result kind of fits actually, i do get a few really cute guys that hit on me, my ex was a hot popular ‘alpha’. But i think my personality is a bit boring 😦
I think this is just a fun test though really, nothing you should take to heart too much because you probably already know this about yourself. And if you answer honestly, the result does come off quite accurate i think.
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I think I’d know if I get hard for my wife (if I had one) without having to read your test 🙂
But it’s good for the ladies.
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I’ve got news for y’all.
(I believe it was said here) that the average number of lovers for a North American woman was 3 (and y’all double that considering the lying factor)…. well, I think it’s MUCH more than three.
I hang with a group of ultra conservative religious types (half are nuns and priests, of different orders) and THEIR average is a three-four.
So….. your regular American woman who’s been brainwashed and groomed since 10 to prepare herself for bedding men in clubs? Believe me, its closer to 13 lovers by the time shes 26. At least.
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Only a woman really desperate for date would spend such a huge amount of time writing such a test.
How bad is it?
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Or are you a dude? With too much time on his hands?
Either way, I don’t imagine you scored too highly on your own test, and you lose a further ten points for writing such a load of garbage. Where does that put you? Minus 80?
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I think age should be 8 to 14 years old: +20 points
🙂
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I think that you are a pedophile.
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And if you’re a fat,fugly b**ch,you’ve hit the wall,regardless of age!!!!
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Damn. Nobody likes you. I am a 60. 😀 yay me.
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do people normally tell you that you’re an ass?
well they should…more often.
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To the females out there. Most men out there think the same way this guy does, and though these standards seem harsh, it really doesn’t matter. 90% of guys would fuck an 84 if they were desperate enough, drunk enough, or don’t care about material things. So don’t trip, cuz when it comes down to it, guys will fuck the holes in their pillow.
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Or the ladies can ignore this shit and go date a black guy. They care less about weight and they can give you a good fuckin while they’re at it
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I’m genuinely sick of this chatter about weight.
Here is the deal w attraction. Men and women are drawn, sexually, per evolution, to the people with features attributes – physically and mentally that will produce the most ideal, likely to thrive offspring.
I don’t wanna be insensitive but – being overweight is not like being black or a woman, Jewish, or any other minority that one is not legally allowed to discriminate against. It is an actual health problem.
First off likihood of conception is severely diminished in women over a certain BMI.
Then they are more at risk for gestational diabetes malnutrition (yes bc the calories they r taking in are not nutrient rich) etx.
Then their lifespans and quality of life is diminished as well.
Obesity is an addiction, it is unattractive bc it is unhealthy. We are attracted to those who process traits that indicate health and good genes. That’s the gist thats it so please – realize “fatties” are essentially non ideal procreators.
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That’s right,Whiskey,especially handsome black lads such as Yours Truly,
despite the bombardment from the fat broad lovers who say that we’re “sell-outs,””Uncle Toms,” etc.,for not wanting a 5-5,250+,mouthy,b***hy
slob as a partner.
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You are pathetic. Seriously. Why do we lose points for being smarter than you? Your an asshole and your views are skewed. Just because your a shallow, superficial asshole doesn’t mean every woman isn’t beautiful in her own way. Also, YOUR aloud to be superficial but we aren’t? I hope you burn in hell you mother fucker.
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So “your” smart? It’s “you’re”, a contraction for “you are”. And it’s “allowed”.
Serious answer:
It isn’t being smart per se that is unattractive. Instead, it’s that being smart seems to empower too many people to be intellectually combative assholes. That’s how most of the self-proclaimed smart women responding here come across – insecure and defensive egos lashing out at a perceived threat.
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Hey Fuck…You
Yea there is a reason you scored in the negatives.
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Well, I did this quiz with the aim of clocking a perfect -83 (or -93 after adjustmen). but “hit the wall.”
On the other hand the range of scores for -83(-93) to 64(54) is very untidy. With a few more questions the quiz can be brought up to a full -100 through to 100 range, and there are plenty of other questions to ask, eg.
35. Describe your hair.
a) Hip length, glossy and rippling, either platinum blonde or black as a raven’s wing (+1)
b) I have good hair and bad hair days like most people (0)
c) Mousy and cropped close to the contours of my pear-shaped skull like a Nazi guard in an old movie (-1)
36. Descibe your teeth.
a) Even, white and so perfect that they are often mistaken for false ones (+1)
b) Useful for eating solid food (0)
c) I’ve lost several in fights (-1)
37. Describe the way you move.
a) Straight-backed and supple like a Balinese temple dancer (+1)
b) Uh, normal human articulation, I guess (0)
c) Occasionally I heave myself from the TV remote to the fridge or the Car port, thighs chafing (-1)
38. What does your voice sound like?
a) Husky, low and classy like Emma Peel or Jessica Rabbit (+1)
b) Dude, it’s just a voice
c) An incessant nasal whine like the wife in Rear Window up until the point where she gets murdered by her husband (-1)
39. Which of the three Greek fates do you most resemble?
a) Clotho
b) Lachesis
c) Atropos
Answer: subtract 1 if you understood the question
I’m sure other readers can suggest more of the same … scope for a possible future post methinks?
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Catherine Omega Jones:
um… I think I’m in love with you?
how about
40. What are three words your friends would use to describe you?
a) Solid candidate for a good fisting
b) What are friends?
c) Hillary Rodham Clinton
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Being a buxom blonde is a PERFECT 100%!!!!
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I’d hate to have a guy like you try to “emotionally connect” with me, so thank God I’m too smart and too old – and by too old, I mean out of high school.
(Protip: Treating women as props for your ego makes it harder to emotionally connect with them.)
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You are a sad, sad man.
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Katherine and Zula,you’re probably b***hy chubbos who don’t get a second(perhaps not a FIRST!!!!)glance from any but the most desperate
loser dudes,so don’t front on me!!!!
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Catherin Omega Jones, you clearly have a talent for comic writing. I appreciated the post.
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29. You are about to have sex with a guy for the first time. He undresses and his penis is small. Do you:
Tell him how great his cock looks and feels?: +1 point
Say nothing: 0 points
Look surprised and stifle a laugh: -1 point
“hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!”
“hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!”
Sorry, but why stifle a laugh at a small penis? Better to point and laugh out loud, for a long time ….until he gets the point and gets dressed.
If your dick is small, don’t waste anyone’s time, OR worse, reproduce. Give it up. You’ve hit the wall. Only 1 question wrong and you get a -100! Face it, these days women prefer to have good lesbian sex instead.
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Jesus…why don’t you just tell your readers they need to invest in a blow-up doll so they won’t be traumatized by the terrifying needs of actual human beings.
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AHAHAHAHA! So this is where the grotty little losers have been getting all this laughably stupid crap.
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Funny, most of the guys I know prefer women ages 28-35 because they a) have their own careers and aren’t a wallet drain and b) have enough sexual experience to be “fun”. This coming from guys aged about the same, not pimply teenagers playing WoW in their basements.
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Funny how many of the female replies likely would have been way different if this had been a feature article in Cosmo or Glamour… Context is everything. And only women are permitted to objectify women, whether qualitatively or quantitatively
Perhaps you should have prefaced the whole thing with the Scientist’s Bill of Rights, to protect yourself somewhat:
If it exists, it exists to some degree, and that ought to be measured.
Also, a reference or two to the research on this topic, such as http://personalmd.com/news/a1998081415.shtml, might have helped.
Nah!!
* MB (former proprietor of the online Bod-O-Meter)
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How many points should I take off for glasses?
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“How many points should I take off for glasses?”
Zero plus or minus. I believe that varies greatly. Some (like me) may find glasses attractive, but I guess others may be indifferent or negative towards it.
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Adam Carolla : “When I hear long-winded stories that have no end, and no middle, and one long beginning, going in circles at a snail’s pace, I know that’s a hot chick.”
Dr. Drew: “Pray tell why.”
Adam: “Because fat chicks are told to shut up 3-syllables into their boring story. Hot chicks are never told, ‘Hey! What’s the punch line bitch?! I gotta catch a bus!”
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Followed the link from Andrew Sullivan’s site. This has to be one of the sorriest loser sites I have seen. I’d guess his mental age to be about 17. A teenage boy’s fantasy!
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women are things for me
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How many points should I take off for glasses?
stop being a dork and put contact lenses
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What a load of crap and a perpetuation of every ridiculous and demeaning stereotype out there.
I am guessing you spend a lot of time writing this drivel vs. actually having dates and spending time out in public.
Does your mother pay for your ISP connection and do your laundry, too?
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your an asshole
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I think nostril, foot and clit size, as well as labia appearance (marilyn lips v. roastbeef sandwich) play an important role here.
Please do address in the 2.0 version of the test.
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p.s. To all the offended folks on this thread: Objectification is the key to male sexuality — and judging by some of the comments regarding dick size, to female sexuality as well!
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There is one Gaping Flaw in your reasoning, darling; this is that women with IQs over 145 are so utterly bored by males with your set of priorities that we are, de facto, Out Of Your League. We spend much more time fending off clueless pretenders than we do bemoaning our imperfect figures, and when we finally do Settle Down, it is with the pick of the lot.
(FYI, ‘the pick of the lot’ includes top 10% in looks, brains, high-earning capacity, creativity, fidelity, humor, and charm. Most of which are saliently lacking in the author of this site.)
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As a general rule, both women and men with IQ’s >145 are socially dysfunctional.
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Pretty Lady, you’re a tranny.
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This test is laughable. Or maybe it just thinks men are laughable. Or both. I vote for both.
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Dear Closet-Gay-Impotent Man-Cunt,
First, sorry to call you by your real name. Second, I’d like to say for the record that some of us guys have dicks longer than 1/8 of an inch long and don’t live with our moms. Unlike you (fag) We prefer virtuous, intelligent women to cum-dumpster crack-hos. Any woman who would actually let you stick your syphilitic little match-dick in her is probably just using you to get over Tyrone the crack dealer – I’m assuming that’s the case with both the women you actually slept with (yes, I’m counting your sister).
Please refrain from stereotyping all men. It’s bad enough having to deal with women with “men” in their past such as yourself calling them all the time, crying like little bitches – but it’s especially embarrassing that pig-fucking losers like you – calling yourselves ‘alpha-males’ (that’s a fucking laugh!) – give Real Men a bad name.
Go fuck yourself up the ass, queer – and keep up the good work on this blog. It’s refreshing to hear a douche-bag, excrement-fume-huffing, felch-belcher’s take on modern dating. And to all the women judging men by what’s written on this blog, fuck you equally hard.
P.S: How many times a day do you masturbate while watching Mad Men? My guess is six.
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what’s the matter nathan, got your period?
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Maria who posted 4 or 5 comments above is the stereotypical ugly-SWPL-feminist and old
her blog is another living stereotype of the unproductiveness of the “creative class”
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This test was an excellent trolling device and it was successful in baiting all the bitter old hard ridden minghags out into the sunlight.
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I’m -still- laughing. Master Pua has it right: this sure trolled everyone good. Even more hysterical than the original post are the many, many comments indicating how seriously people took it.
To all the offended women out there: Any guy who would take this Value Test completely to heart isn’t the kind of guy you’re looking for anyway, right? If they’re going out of their way to avoid you, it saves you the irritation of having to talk to them in the first place. So, have yourself a good laugh and move on.
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This cracks me up. I can see why you’d take off points for girls who are smart and competitive, because only a someone with the IQ of a brick and no drive in life would have anything to do with a guy who takes this sort of scale/quiz into account.
I think some of the 15 year old boys on here might want cut down on the porn fantasies, and delusions of grandeur, and venture outside of your parent’s basement once a month or so and join the human race.
Until then, enjoy your right hand and Dad’s stack of crusty playboys.
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Your site is… enlightening. It flirts with enraging my more deeply entrenched sensibilities, but over years of celibacy and raging at people over the Internet I’ve developed a deep cynicism that allows me to read even such works as “Hitting Women Will Turn Them On” with clinical detachment.
Solid Beta speaking. I agree with pretty much every statement on physical attractiveness (not so sure about BMI, I’m skilled at guessing guy’s weights on sight due to experience wrestling but girls fuck up the parameters). Though I’ll admit my age group seems to be uncouth barbarians so I don’t care much if a girl cusses like I do.
It’s funny watching the feminazis, PC-fags, and people who can’t stand having their worldview shaken by a mild dose of reality. And to the anonymous limey bitching about arse/ass- common usage trumps all, especially across an ocean.
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Come on, everyone knows that it’s not about looks, but personality. The way you view things in your young fratboy scope is hilarious at best. You know what’s awesome? Going to some LARP session where there are nothing but chicks. High IQs, nice personalities, and hell, it’s fun.
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What is this? The retarded anorexic white girl quiz? Good grief.
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“The retarded anorexic white girl quiz?”
How would being retarded gain points according to this quiz?
I didn’t really see any points for being anorexic or white either.
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Boy,did they release all the asylum inmates last weekend?
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nascent alpha female, i think (hope!?)
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This thread is another perfectly preserved exhibit of feminist shaming language in action. Almost every disagreeing female post is hyperventilating, self-deluded ad hominem vitriol and marshalls precisely zero evidence in support of of the (virtually non-existent) counter argument.
Perhaps I should simplify if for the fatties and you can cut’n’paste this:
“You have a small dick. I hate you I hate you I hate you. This sexist drivel is the absolute most pathetic thing I’ve ever heard you virgin homo loser. My life is great. I’ve got radiant inner beauty. All my friends say so. I’m totally out of your league. In fact, you’re such a loser I’m not even gonna talk to you. Limp dick.”
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As far as comparing of the two pictures of the women, the one on the RIGHT, looks very similar to the look of “Jenna Fischer” the actress that place the receptionist in the “The Office”
And she’s pretty hot.
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What made you capitalize “RIGHT” – as if it were supposed to be unexpected?
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I float between nascent alpha and bonafide hottie depending on my fluctuations in weight.
I do have to say, however, that I think he may be unaware of a woman’s real weight. Women lie so much that men get confused. I will say that my SO likes me best when my BMI is between 21.5 -22.5. I get more quality attention between the 21-23 range also. I am most comfortable at 21 so I am heading back there whether my SO likes it or not.
I think some guys may be confused and would hurl in disgust if they saw a real life BMI 17. Not their fault though, people lie.
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I seem to comply with your idea of beauty, but thankfully not your idea of an attractive personality (a.k.a. none).
As bittersweet as this is, it gives me a great number of chances to tell guys like you exactly where to stick their sexism.
As you seem to believe success and achievement in a woman’s life, as well as an high IQ to be counterproductive for relationships, I’m assuming you’ll end up with exactly the type of person you deserve.
Lesson of the day: Do not do research on google, you may loose your faith in the human specie in the process.
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got 20 pts 😦
guess I need some work
anyone know of a good site that can teach me how to be more submissive?
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For anyone who doubts this, I must say, the first time I read this (last year) I was a 29 BMI, yet didn’t think I was “that fat”. Everything not related to the body, however, according to the criteria, I was either neutral or positive. Needless to say I didn’t get a very high score.
I just got into my 20s and I’ve lost an extraordinary amount of weight. my BMI is down 7 pts and I now get hit on several times a day by every type of guy imaginable. I also now have a freaking DREAM boyfriend who gets a boner just by the sight of me. I’ve reached the lower alpha range on this and I can’t deny that I’ve never been happier.
From my experience, I’d have to agree that CH speaks for the average male on what he desires in a woman: sweet, slender, pretty, sexual yet loyal, classically feminine. Sorry womyn.
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This is complete nonsense. Please tell me how on earth a 15-16 can get 5 points??? That’s illegal to be having sex with minors. Just dirty.
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Brian:
Nonsense? Whether or not it’s legal are a different question from what’s attractive.
Plus, the “legal age” varies wildly between countries. Here in Europe that limit generally varies between 14 and 16. I seem to remember it’s 12 in the Netherlands.
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Oh and with regard to point 23, that look is disturbing. Its a standard of beauty that makes people look alien, not attractive. Tell me one ‘hot’ person that has such a look?
Jennifer Anniston, Naomi Campbell, etc,etc none of them have such features. That look is just gross.
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Brian:
For your info 16 is not illegal for adults in a few states, Maryland being one of them, not to mention in Germany, for example, it is legal for 17 year olds to be prostitutes.
Peak female reproductive years are in the range of around 16 to 27. That’s when ladies have their maximum fertility and often their maximum of looks.
I can’t believe you are this ill-educated. Biology trumps sociology all the time.
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I can’t believe you are this dumb. Please explain how biology trumps sociology all the time. Clearly you have not been educated considering the cultural differences throughtout history and the world. In Ancient Rome, men used to take teenage boys as, for lack of a better word, concubines yet our modern society is homophobic. Please explain using biology.
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Surprised there is no question on here about what (if any) STDs you have. Were I not an atheist, I would thank god everyday that I have herpes. It works like a charm to scare of assholes like you.
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Nice to see that an underage girl is “worth more” than a woman in her late 20’s to you. Not only are you a sexist asshole, but you’re ALSO a hebephile.
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Jessie:
I would much rather take a 14 year old than a 29 year old as a girlfriend. The chance for the 14 yo. to be a virgin and not have STDs and/or children would be significant better than it would be for the 29 yo.
When and if we decided to have children after a few (say five) years, the former 14 yo. would propably conceive faster and easier and have better oppurtunity for having troublefree pregnancies and healthy children than the former 29 yo. The former 29 yo. might be in her 40s, and more or less infertile when and if the time came when we wanted to have our third or fourth child.
One of my nearest relatives and his wife or her husband (I don’t want to go into details here) had their first child last year, when they both were 27 yo., after eight years of marrige.
At the moment I’m 32 yo. and (involuntarily) single and childless, but I think I’d much rather stay so than getting in a relationship with a 35 yo., wanting to marry me for my wealth (not that there’s very much to cheer for anyway) or not at all; and who already have a few children (perhaps with different men) and sue to her age runs a significant risk of having miscarriages, have a child with Downs syndrome, not conceive at all or die on childbed in her late 30s or 40s.
I (desperately, to say the least) want someone who’s young, healthy and childless, and preferably virgin and good looking. I simply do not have any interest in, or the time and energy required to, deal with unhealthy women or children, or to raise other’s offspring or having to deal more or less with their fathers.
I strongly believe in and propagate for both the nuclear family and eugenics, and think that no child should be born outside of wedlock, and that no child with e.g. Downs syndrome should be born at all.
Maybe this makes me a “sexist asshole”, but that doesn’t bother me noteworthy. “Sexist” (like “racist”) seems to mean sensible, intelligent, forseeing, logical, down to earth etc. these days.
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14 is way too young brah
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My age wasn’t in the ranges, so I gave myself a 15 for being loli.
Good times.
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I got an 11, and lost points for being flat-chested, having a flat butt, and being smart. I earned most of my points by being 15 and having the “right” BMI. I skipped nearly all of the last questions, seeing as I’m a 15-year-old virgin (gasp!), and I got zeroes on everything else. Most of the questions made me laughm seeing as they were just plain ridiculous. Saucer-like, wide-spaced eyes? I wouldn’t think that would be considered attractive, but each to themselves, I guess. Anyway, I don’t understand why anyone would be offened/flattered by their score on this quiz. Nobody knows who made the quiz, and nobody knows what you look like. I’m sure the girls who scored higher gave themselves more credit than they deserve, and the girls who scored lower were overly critical. I took the test because I google-searched “bmi 21.0”, my bmi, and this picture came up. Thought it would be interesting to see where I ended up. I don’t think I’d be interested in the creator of the quiz, though, since nearly all the questions were about sexual atractiveness. I really hope men are able to see more to a woman than how sexy she happens to be, because I could care less if a man is drop-dead gorgeous, if he’s a jerk I’d take an intelligent, caring ugly guy over him any day!
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Interesting discussion, but originally a devastating quiz. I have many issues with the creator of this quiz’s assumptions, not least of which is that women cannot be objective about themselves, and therefore will have “ten points” subtracted from their score, since we all will undoubtedly pretend to ourselves that we are much prettier than we believe.
I believe the contrary is true, I believe that we are made to be overly self-aware of our bodies, hence the prevalence of anorexia, bulimia, other eating disorders, depression, anxiety, and cosmetic plastic surgery, which are all at record highs. Girls are taught at an early age to reach for a nearly impossible physical ideal. And compared to the unreachable, almost always UNREAL beauty offered on the magazine covers, almost all of us will choose to believe we are less physically appealing than we really are.
However, men are also adversely affected by the media. They are also told every day that such a body and/or attitude is desirable, and because we are all of a pack mentality, such force-fed opinions are readily swallowed.
What I hope CH and all of the followers of this particular thread understand, is that not only are we all puppets of the media and marketing blitzes, but that this has kinda been true for the last several hundred years.
If you take a close look at the concept of feminine beauty throughout the ages AND the globe, you’ll find that yesterday’s hottie is radically different from today’s, as well as the hotties of other continents throughout the ages. Which also makes me wonder why he chose to use height-weight indices from 1959 United States, the height of the wasp-waisted housewife era, exactly 50 years ago.
I won’t get specific about historical ideals of beauty, but I’ll catalog some of them here:
Once upon a time, it was considered the height of fashion to be as pale and plump as possible, as this was a showcase of how wealthy you were, to be able to eat as much and stay indolent indoors.
Once upon a time, “The Golden Lotus” was considered the height of beauty. The Golden Lotus is a female foot broken, bound, rebroken, rebound, and so on, to keep it three inches or less in length. This took many years to achieve, and once the process was begun, ensured that the woman would never walk again, if she ever had.
So before any of us either write or respond to a dissertation on the nature of beauty, perhaps we ought to think humanely, if not in terms of how we’ll be seen by future generations.
Oh, yeah, and before any of the male readers get upset, remember “beauty” and “suitability” aren’t limited to the female body. If you were born in a hospital in the United States in the last 50 years, you were very likely genitally mutilated without your consent. Yep, ye olde foreskin. Think hard on how popular culture has affected you personally before you get ugly with the ladies.
Let me guess: too long, did not read.
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how do you assess girls only on how they have sex? and give bjs and the like. anal? with everyone? sure. ha…
fyi, Your job. The amount of money you make. Your accomplishments. Your social status and number of friends. Your deep and profound worldview. These actually do matter to guys (granted they are not looking only for a one night thing). You included it for the guys measurements, but take my word, if I’m looking for a one night stand, I don’t care how much you make, as long you are hot and you shut up and leave before I’m awake.
peace.
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Hmm, I got a 31, but there’s absolutely no need to subtract 10 from my score because I was very honest with myself.
In fact, I probably deserve a higher score since I ‘missed’ the BMI question, though my figure is perfectly curvy and desirable. I also don’t think men really care if women have a small stomach pooch, since only women with very low body fat would have a flat stomach (and that usually means they have small tits).
Also, I am very pretty, which is easily the most important part of attraction.
This is really bullshit though. Hotness doesn’t bring happiness if you don’t know what you’re doing with yourself.
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The funny part is why isn’t there a “dateability test” for men. I used to date full blown alpha males. Either I would grow out of their immaturity and he would rather act like a teenager who had just touched alcohol for the first time evry night and end up in whomever’s bed the next morning (promptly ending our relationship), or he lacked intellect.
So I may not be perfect according to these standards ( I scored a 15), but how many guys are perfect? Life isn’t about finding someone better or more perfect. It’s about finding someone you love who loves you back without having to stroke your ego and find the hottest person you can. I have been happily in love for a year with a “beta” male and I couldn’t ask for anything more. I HAVE GROWN UP.
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Fantastic, quite accurate.
Funny to see people mad at the author. They should be trying to lose weigh instead of reading blogs.
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“…I have been happily in love for a year with a “beta” male and I couldn’t ask for anything more. I HAVE GROWN UP.”
What took you soooo long, skank??
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@ Mature Female January 4th, 2010
GROWN UP = You can not compete anymore.
So, go ahead and scarf down that double cheeseburger.
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This is kind of tricky…in the world of good nightclubs and cool parties pretty much all the girls are in the region of 7-10 in terms of hotness. Oh, forgot to say and so are the guys … The only difference between those women, the “differentiating factors” will be exactly their jobs, their character, etc. But these are not taken into account by the test. So if i am a waitress and the other girl is a famous actress or a successful fund manager, we have exactly the same market value? I strongly disagree..my experience is a beautiful actress or hot financier will have a lot a lot more quality men and quality relationships than a waitress.And I am surprised that the author of the test didn’t incorporate this into his valuation…
Anjelina Jolie is very pretty, but there are women younger and prettier than her, however guess who Brad Pitt picks?
So holding everything else equal, higher social status – higher market value.
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Well I’m a major loser according to this test.
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Coming from Northern Europe, it seems unbelievable that such sexism and narrow mindedness as displayed by the author of this blog actually exists. How fucked up, frustrated, unhappy and phobic does one have to be to hate the opposite sex like you hate women. 🙂 Your test is biased and simply meant to humiliate the female. You will never be in a happy heterosexual relationship, not even with an Asian woman who hardly speaks English.
You sound like you know it all, but you are visibly unhappy and angry with something, very emotional so you cannot make objective observations. I’m sure you sense yourself how deeply biased you are yet are too frustrated to look at the reality with clear and sober eyes.
You are really screwed and apparently so is the society around you. But you’re the pathetic one, because the world is full of females who do not need or want you and who have plenty of other choices.
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“You will never be in a happy heterosexual relationship, not even with an Asian woman who hardly speaks English.”
Excuse me, but how dare you? You judge the blogger for making this test which to you is offensive and narrow minded yet you make a comment like THAT? Shame on you! Asians statistically maintain a healthier lifestyle and diet and some are lucky enough to be petite yet have long, toned legs with no cellulite (it’s an ASIAN thing), and more often than not, have flat stomachs with no pouch, are flexible, have high IQ’s (it’s a stereotype which happens to be true, more often than not), have pearly skin (it doesn’t take much maintenance to take care of Asian skin unless severely unlucky), age better and are incredibly warm and loving to both male and female. Based on that and more, wouldn’t an Asian woman be a catch and wouldn’t a guy be even more grateful for bagging such a “jewel”? So why are you being condescending towards us and putting us down?
“You sound like you know it all, but you are visibly unhappy and angry with something, very emotional so you cannot make objective observations. I’m sure you sense yourself how deeply biased you are yet are too frustrated to look at the reality with clear and sober eyes.”
You sound like you are visibly unhappy and angry. WITH ASIAN WOMEN. Which is “very emotional” so you cannot make objective observations.
Gosh, can’t people just appreciate the different types of beauty from all over the world? What a racist comment.
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Wow, I’m astonished how many responces you got for this test. It’s not that different from a test you could read in any cosmopolitan or the like. kind of amusing, kind of boring, but nothing really new…
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@”GrownUp?”
Go see “She’s Out of My League”. Not all women want the alpha male after realizing how selfish they can be. I bet you are a beta male who thinks you’re an alpha male anyway.
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E & DD are the same
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AZN beotches are only allowed to post on girlgame.com
When topping month-dead posts – you have to pay your dues at Spearhead.
solly
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I got a 34, maybe I should lose some weight
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Hilarious! I did the test for me now, and then again for me when I was being treated for Anorexia. I scored higher when I was seriously ill and I can assure you really not attractive.
I can imagine that if I was in my teens and came across this site I would find it very damaging, since I score pretty low. Given that my experience of dating has been completely different (and whole lot more awesome) than your test says it should be though, thankfully I can see just how full of crap this is!
For the record, I scored a mighty +4. So once you’ve assumed I’m too fragile to be honest and taken ten points off that should leave me never getting the guys I want before eventually resigning myself to settle for less right? Which is weird, because I’ve only ever been rejected by someone I liked once in my life, I’ve been dumped twice and both times they were begging me to come back within a few months despite having some pretty fit girls throwing themselves at them. Needless to say I didn’t go back. I may not stay pretty forever but thankfully I base my relationships on something more lasting than ‘pretty’ and am pretty damn sure that I have a whole load of good things going for me. Just because you don’t care about anything more than how a girl looks and how subservient she’s willing to be don’t assume everybody judges by the same standards as you do.
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Directed here by an article a friends sent out… What can I say?
Well first of all, I have a BMI of 18.2 at 5’9, and I don’t have a disorder. My roommate keeps telling me that she’d worry about my weight if she didn’t see how I eat. And to the skeptics, the last time I tried to throw up was in the 6th grade when I was trying to convince my mom I had the stomach flu and couldn’t go to school. Even then, it didn’t work. So I kind of take it personally that people keep on exclaiming over the sure psychological issues people with a low BMI face. I’m athletic and thin, and I don’t think I should have to defend the fact that it comes naturally.
As for this test, and the male version… Well I’m a senior in college and have been dating my boyfriend since freshman year. We’re both going to grad school in the Boston area, and we’re moving in together in a couple months. I guess he’d be a beta by your standards. He’s kind, and considerate, and is too much of a gentleman to ask for things first, or ever pretend that I’m not worth his time. I test in at a 48, so make what you will of that.
I certainly haven’t stayed with my bf because I have no options. Last year someone you would term an alpha kept trying to hook up with me, almost always when he thought I was drunk. Far from attracting me, I found this behavior rather repulsive, and when it escalated I finally had to report him for harassment. When my bf and I have been away for time abroad or summer work, I’m constantly approached by forward, confident, and yes, attractive men who always seem to think the threat of moving on to some other woman, or the challenge of reforming an ass will be enough to catch my interest…
But here’s the thing. I’m beautiful, and classy, but most of all I’m sharp as a tack. I want someone who can keep up with and CHALLENGE my mind, not present the same ‘challenges’ touted by generations of Cosmo columnists. I want someone who can make me laugh. I want someone who sees me for who I am. My boyfriend understands how I react to things that hurt and upset me, because we both get cool and distant, and because we understand that about each other we never allow ourselves to get complacent. In all his shining beta-ness he is the best thing that has ever happened to me, and I love him for it.
See your test is good for single people, who are mostly interested in finding people who will share their bed for a night or two, and perhaps don’t have the clearest idea of what they want their life to be like. But eventually- I emphasize eventually- people want to be understood. It’s almost as primal as sexual desire. It’s maybe the most sophisticated desire we have. To everyone reading this, I challenge you to find a time you were more unsettled, surprised, turned on, terrified, or relieved than when you realized someone (ANYONE) actually understood you, even if it was just a small facet of who you are.
If you haven’t experienced that, I’m sorry, that’s an unfortunate way to live.
But that feeling is worth more than any attitude, any appearance, any level of financial success that a person has. Maybe I’m ahead of the curve in terms of caring about all this at my age, but I don’t think it matters. All people want it eventually. All people need it eventually. Eventually, wanting more becomes the average. And this test… This test doesn’t even come close to capturing any of that.
So please, for your own sake, don’t judge yourself, or the people around you based on this. Not even if your experience has found you judged based on these factors. Eventually that ‘alpha’ who rejected you will want more. And if you’re lucky, you’ll meet someone who has reached eventually just when you have, someone who understands something about you- and then it’s only a matter of time.
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Well, I’m an 11. Better than I thought I’d get.
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Interesting: each time a woman posts an intelligent, well-argued rebuttal in this comments thread, she is immediately accused of being 1) obese, 2) ugly, or 3) male, regardless of whether any information about her looks is available.
[editor: not always. sometimes she’s just accused of being stupid. which can be easily seen by what is written.]
Interesting: he seems all too eager to share his genital shortcomings with the rest of us.
[my penis very very large.]
Diagnosis: serious projection. Lighten up, dudes.
[you first.]
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“1. How old are you?
15 to 16 years old: +5 points”
you’re a rapist. hahahahahaha
and to all the women actually taking this test and talking about how high your scores are… get some fucking self respect, that shit is just embarrassing.
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This once again just made me loose a few IQ points and I guess now I won’t be as dateable. Yeah this seriously robs any woman of self respect. This website is for loser men and I think for all free-thinking women (oh I’m sorry I’m not a submissive young girl-does that shrink your penis size a little?)
rule 1: Stop being such losers who try to date infants.
rule 2: Treat women like human beings ( cause believe it or not that’s what we are.)
rule 3: Listen to women. Care about women. You will get more attention that way than any other way.
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“rule 1: Stop being such losers who try to date infants.
rule 2: Treat women like human beings ( cause believe it or not that’s what we are.)
rule 3: Listen to women. Care about women. You will get more attention that way than any other way.”
1. Men are usually attracted to younger women. I like older and younger, but young women are better at making babies and evolution has shaped our attraction switches with this in mind.
2. Game is fundamentally about learning what is attractive and unattractive to women. What one does with this knowledge is up to the individual.
3. Care – of course. But listen with skepticism. Game teaches one to read between the lines.
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“13. What is your BMI?
over 33.0: stop taking this quiz. you get nothing! you lose! good day madam!”
So. I am too fat and (almost) too smart to ever fall in love. I guess I better get more cats and start up my plan B for dating which is to be the awesome artist lady a la Frida Khalo. You know what though, dude…I think your “test” is missing some cultural perspective. Black girls with Big Booty and attitude for miles turn tons of male heads of their racial counterparts. If I were black my hotness would go up quite a bit, everything else being equal. Also, the good thing about having a high BMI is this: it is totally in my power to CHANGE it. I have had boyfriends assure me that I am hella sexy, despite my weight, but as of a few weeks ago I have begun regular workouts. I think confidence in men and women can overcome a lot. I once dated a guy with a small dick, and yeah, it was kinda lame, but FAR worse was his HUGE complex over dick size. I dated a total asshole with an average cock, and we had the hottest sex of my life for 8 years, till I finally pulled it together and dumped his ass.
I continued your test ignoring the BMI, was honest about every other question and I came out a -13. I consider 13 to be lucky, though minuses, not so much.
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hmm, i got 40. Thought this was actually a pretty good website: at least it was honest. maybe a liiiiitle bit sexist sometimes, and i always thought cursing was a good thing for a girl? There should of been more on how social/awkward the girl is. I am pretty hot/attractive but i can be awkward which means i only occasionally get guys. also i think intelligence should have been from 110-130. probably a tad more acceptable in todays well educated climate. 145 shouldn’t have been 0. thats sad on a couple levels
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“All you’re really doing is rehashing a bunch of tried and tired stereotypes for men and women, and acting like its something pretty insightful. Good lord, the truth? The truth of what? That people are generally pretty shallow? That society kind of enforces this crap due to the media? Whoop dee fucking doo.
This stuff is really, really silly, and pretty much makes you look dumb. There’s no real science to this and I don’t think its possible to make a judgment on this. Too many factors, and this is just a reflection of your opinion as opposed to a representation of the general populace. Not really sure what you’re even trying to prove here.”
THIS. So much.
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This site has made me hate men and lose all faith in humanity.
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Can’t argue with most of your test.
1) 15, 16, and 17 age girls should not be a +5 and should probably not be on this page.
2) There was no question about semen reaction. Drool it out all over (-3), spit (-1), or swallow happily (+1).
35 yo man
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And a buxom blonde would score a 100+++!!!
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The amount of hate mail is hilarious. On the other hand, I scored 55. I have to stop saying fuck and shit once in a while so that I get to 56. Or get a rhinoplasty.
To the people who wonder about the anal and foul language. There are different things. Foul language shows that you’re not classy and it’s usually socially frowned upon, especially for women. It also shows how well raised you are in a relative way. The anal sex question is mostly related to how you are willing to please your man – if you’re willing to do it for him or not so that you please him sexually. I think it would have needed more steps though – there’s a difference from doing it once in a while when he wants it and dating an anal sex obsessed guy who’d want it every night. I’d say yes to the former, def no to the latter. lol
And another thing – hotornot is inaccurate. I think the ratings are inflated – for example, I’ve got a 9.8 for my face, which I think is a 9. It’s def not close to 10dom.
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“I’ve got a 9.8 for my face, which I think is a 9. It’s def not close to 10dom.”
Well, one of these clauses is correct.
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RV,
We’d love to confirm whether your facial 9 is a good estimate, but a 48×48 pixel gravatar is not enough to say. However, 9’s are supposed to have no visible flaws (10’s have no flaws plus something extra), so some people will make fun of you for claiming 9-hood if your nose is a definite negative. (If it is symmetrical enough it need not be.)
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Polymath, considering I’ve got death and rape threats on my blog, I would prefer to not put a full sized picture of my face on a public forum. Also, since what I write isn’t the most politically correct stuff, I’d like to not be expelled or fired in the future for my views.
And my nose is symmetrical and it’s not a facial deformity. lol. I could email you a picture though so make a comment on my blog with the email you’d like me to write you on, provided you will delete it afterwards. 😛 Ugh, my vanity is getting the best of me right now. lol
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RV,
Ah yes, I had forgotten that you are a controversialist who likes to criticize people of a certain religion that responds violently to (well-deserved) criticism. Understandable that you want to be careful. I will post a comment on your blog; I also have my own blog polymathblogger.wordpress.com which is currently just a placeholder for people to be able to comment and thus provide me with their email addresses without the world seeing them.
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Saw the pix. The best one was 8.5, but I’m a tough grader. I think blonde works for you.
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Interesting that someone who cares about evolutionary value assigns lower points to women with IQs over 120 — that’s going to debase the gene pool, folks!
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Great post. I love it.
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While most of the above posters are right to comment that there are a lot more criteria on attractiveness, they are subjective and not a generally valid to attempt to classify your attractiveness to the average bloke. And altough some of the criteria are debatable it’s generally valid, and if it serves to deflate the exagerated sense of self-worth or beauty of some women (and men) then it has done a good job. If you’re fat you’re fat and therefore relatively unattractive to most guys, it’s not fair but a small dick isn’t either unless you happen to be really tight as a woman yourself, as most people forget that there are different sizes for women too, just ask a 40-something mum with 5 kids.
Now all this isn’t PC, it isn’t nice, it doesn’t serve to flatter (most of) you, it’s just plain old reality. You can enhance or deflate your market worth with a variety of measures, but the primary drivers for female attractivity are the above named (+- a few deviations)
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I like that I started out with negative points for being over 33. I like more that being 15 years old would have scored me positive points. (Where are we, high school?) That’s where I gave up. No, just kidding I got a 33. Although why don’t I get *any* points for being tall dammit? That’s my claim to fame.
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But really, how can having an IQ higher than 120 make you LOSE points???? It’s more likely you’d lose points to a particular kind of man only- one who is either dull himself, or easily threatened by women.
Either way, this test is not written by the type of man that most women want.
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Greater Beta over herrrrrrre
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“K
Surprised there is no question on here about what (if any) STDs you have. Were I not an atheist, I would thank god everyday that I have herpes. It works like a charm to scare of assholes like you.”
Hahaha! Warped sense of humor: +15!
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Sorry K, Catherine Omega Jones beats you hands down! I am in love! Will you not marry me, COJ?
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rebelliousvanilla, a fine blog you have. Impressed. Wish I were younger, say 70, I’d jump over to wherever you are and give you a sensuous back rub!
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LauraW: Interesting that someone who cares about evolutionary value assigns lower points to women with IQs over 120 — that’s going to debase the gene pool, folks!
Sooo, you have >120 IQ? And you haven’t figgered it out? It’s simple, you are then an outlier. Likely Aloof is your middle name. 65 to 35 it’s true.
Tell ya what, if debasing is your concern. Just fake it. Or take a couple of drinks before you go out. Should be a piece of cake then.
BTW, what is your Wisdom Quotient?
No such a thing?
Aww, c’mon, rebelliousvanilla has it in spades!
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Evolution does NOT favor brilliant people.
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Jew, it’s not that clear cut. Brilliant people are outliers, but that is only relative to the particular time frame context, beside other criteria.
Speaking of Jews… the occurrence, not matched in other groups, of brilliant people withing Jewish gene pool negates you statement.
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IMO, the ladies need to lighten up. It’s not a test of your value as a human being, or your value as a partner to an individual man or type of men. It’s your general dating market value, known back in the old Usenet days as “SMV” (sexual market value).
This is something important to be aware of because it affects how people generally relate to you, and how even an exceptional male will gauge your social relevance and treat you based on that. This test, in my opinion, is on the level of the LaVeyan Synthesizer Clock (from _The Satanic Witch_) for figuring out where you stand in western cultural terms. The two tools together can make someone a dangerous woman.
For an older, technically overweight, way above average intelligent woman, like myself, if you’re recently returning to the market due to divorce or death or something, you need to know these things so you don’t spin your wheels on guys who aren’t going to commit. You need to know who’s looking at you and who’s not, and how to handle (read more easily reject) guys who are out of your league.
I scored a -4, which is on the border of lesser and classic beta. This is good news and bad news. Bad news first: I’m likely to be picked out by either for social convenience or credibility reasons or pure desperation, and if pursued at all by alpha types, as a “fallback 5” or fetish object.
The good news is that I have a severe brain fetish, and the technical/engineering field is chock full o’ freak. STEM guys with boyscout/mountainman hobbies or boyscouts with technology hobbies have been my favorite dish since gradeschool.
Women have to stop looking at this as devaluing, and look at it as an optimization tool. You only have a problem if you’re squirming in the bottleneck for the same type of guy almost everybody else is trying to score. If you’re on the lower end, and you’re dreaming of a commitment from an alpha type or just a guy with a lot of money who can afford younger, hotter chicks who he doesn’t mind are hoes, then you’re going to see this as all bad.
I just need a guy who’s alpha enough for family/relationship purposes. I don’t need prince charming or Mr. Moneybags or Pooty Tang…just a guy who is a man doing more with his brain than porn and football, who has balls.
That said, in light of recent awareness of how I was seeing the glass half empty, I’ve been doing pretty good. I’ve learned a lot here. You will too, if you give it a chance.
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I am a 28-year old who has body dysmorphic disorder. We’re the ones who see holes in our skin when no one else can see them, who see five chins when everyone else swears there’s just one, etc., etc. So, of course, when you ask if we have major physical deformities or minor, we answer major. That’s what we see.
I wish there were a way for the people who answer this quiz, “OMG, I’m a 10!” or people who write, “I’m a really tough grader — Halle Berry’s like a 6 in my book,” to understand how much those comments hurt those of us who see our bodies riddled with hideous flaws.
On my best days, after lots of therapy, I can look in the mirror and say, “Ok, I don’t actually need to throw up at this particular second.” But then, when I read this kind of stuff, and see how critical people are of size of my lower chin, etc., etc.,
Actions have consequences, and not just for BDD sufferers. When you say, on the Internet, something bitchy about how someone else looks, you have no idea who that person is or how that might affect her or people who read about her. BDD has one of the highest suicide rates of any mental illness. In the world where this site lives, looks equal worth. If someone believes her looks are monstrous, why should she get up every morning and give it another try? Would you all prefer we just gave up?
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NOK, this world is a hard place. I don’t have BDD, but I do struggle with a fear of vulnerability due to bad things that happened to me early in life. So I understand where you’re coming from.
However, at a site like this, that is built around proactively tackling the new dating market, you have to step back, calm down, and take things as they are. Yes, there are a few malicious people here who equate looks within a limited template with worth, but those kinds of people are everywhere.
If you’re going to survive BDD, you have to learn to handle other people’s judgement. You really have enough on your plate with your own issues without absorbing other people’s dysfunction.
You must also understand that others are not responsible for your recovery. It’s not other people’s job to make the world a comfortable place for you with no triggers anywhere ever. Triggers are going to be there, and you have to learn to live with that.
Your inability to resist them is an issue that you have to solve within yourself. Putting things in perspective may help. I can probably lend you some tips in that direction.
First of all, if you have BDD in the way of anorexia/bulhemia, you must understand that men criticizing women’s looks is not where the thin-is-in craze originated.
Men generally prefer women who are smaller than them because of natural size differential in mammals. Female mammals generally have a higher bodyfat percentage than males, and still weigh less though. So the fattiness of femaleness is attractive to men, within a healthy range.
Only recently did superthin become all the rage, and at the root of that was feminism.
Feminists since the early 1900’s sought to eliminate the biological differences between genders. Back before 1920, they didn’t have the scientific knowledge to understand the consequences of super low bodyfat in women, so they pushed the idea of gender and visible gender differences being socially constructed rather than natural.
In the 70’s, when they got men to fall for the rather empty promise of free sex, they made Twiggy the icon of that. She and models like her were the symbols of the new era of “liberated” women.
Even now, many doctors make a lot of money getting women to kill themselves. You get triggered by men criticising “fat” women, despite the lie that anorexia/bulhemia has nothing to do with wanting to look mainstream ideal. Up until the backlash with fat acceptance (initially anti-feminist in that they opposed the “liberated” boyishly thin image being enforced in American culture) driving some to change their tune, they called even normal sized women oppressed “breeders”.
So every time you throw up, you are letting the feminists trying to destroy what’s left of western culture.
You’re probably not as sick as you think you are…just badly programmed.
My point about this blog and this test though, is that if you were so messed up by the feminist body ideal, imagine how messed up the millions of guys who wank to the “liberated” image are.
We’ve got a generation of guys with no clue whatsoever of reality. However, now that we know this, tools like this test give us a guide on what to do since we’re in this situation.
When you know where you stand, it helps you to learn what you should do about it.
As far as giving up, well, if you can’t attract rich guys because you’re not naturally thin enough for them, then yes, that would be a healthy dream to give up. It’s not worth your health to be able to score the top class of men.
You’re better off keeping your health and shooting for guys who love healthy women and don’t mind if their being healthy doesn’t allow them to become models or something.
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What broad assumptions! Believve it or not, not all women like the same things!
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“rule 3: Listen to women. Care about women. You will get more attention that way than any other way.”
Listen to women? 80% of what they say is utter bullshit based on what other women expect them to say. No, watch the ACTIONS of women to render truthful conclusions based on the observable phenomenon.
Care about women? Sure, anyone with Game actually cares about women, mostly their sexy bits.
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He has sure learned a lot about men and women from watching television. The website is entertaining though and I have learned a lot about guys. And myself. Namely I’m not looking for a player. Too much work.
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What about other behaviorial traits? Yes they’re more opinion based, but you included swearing. Where’s the points for drinking, smoking, confidence when dancing, etc? Some average girls can crank up their numbers a bit with behavior. Also, I believe hair needs to be ranked as well. I mean, you broke down the face and the clothes, but what about hair? Men are attracted to women with soft, shiny locks more than dead, flat birds’ nests, and long hair has more classic beauty than a dyke cut.
Fun and interesting test, but I think you’re missing a few variables.
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@ “no one knows”, I celebrate pro ana land everyday! you can too!
nicely done Sir RC
lp 999
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What about height? Guys always care about a woman’s height too.
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Son of a goddam whore’s mother! I’m on the lower end of “greater beta.”
I love your blog. You owe me the cost of fixing my computer because I spit out some of my vodka-tonic after reading “delicate piano fingers.” Too good.
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Actually, you shouldn’t deduct 10 points from a woman’s test. Fact is, most women will give themselves lower scores because of their very low self esteem. Maybe you should be adding 10 instead.
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@Nooneknows
So what you’re saying is on top of all your physical flaws you’re also crazy?
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Vodka I’m grater beta too- rejoice???
It’s ok. You’re funny and what man doesn’t love to be entertained. Up until the point he leaves to go boink an alpha chick.
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Too much obessed with looks, I come out a 2 on your silly test and have been married 12 years.
I wouldn’t date any guy who made that test in a million years.
Everything is about LOOKs and the SUPERFICIAL, with a few nods to the aulteristic. What is with this rating crap?
You know this modern consumerist society has turned everything into like a catalogue even human beings.
Well you all can have it. Its soul-dead. God help you all.
What scares me about whoever wrote this: doesn’t anyone believe in LOVE anymore? Is life only what someone can GET out of SOMEONE ELSE?
Everyone is so jaded. I guess this is what happens when people no longer wait for marriage, 50 partners down the line, love doesnt exsist and only superificial garbage does. I was raised conservative and told to wait til marriage, both me and sister waited til we were with our husbands. We both talk about how the world lives very different. Its gross. Love is being destroyed with this garbage.
I am old school and even when going gets tough believe you hang in there and that you don’t sleep around just because you can. I know I am throw-back to the 1890s and I am GLAD ABOUT IT.
Some will sneer, yeah cause you was ugly [no I had plenty of offers even had a creepy old millionaire who wanted to marry me.]
This is what modern culture has wrought; wow it is so ugly to see on both sides. How shallow, and horrible to see.
If some of you jaded men want to find a decent affectionate women, find one that has rejected feminism and who is a Christian.
Also stop adopting the standards of the culture around you that is based on your social programming [someone else has mentioned this]where you want your women to look like the mind-controlled celebrities, who are air brushed to death in magazines and look like mannequins. Some of the standards are based on what you are told is “beautiful”. Great you got a clothes hanger, in the room, now does she have a personality, or any character?
That is what will last in the long run.
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shut the fuck up, bitch
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Hmm looks like I hit the nail on the head.
This society is producing sociopaths galore.
Thanks for helping prove my point.
The “F” word in its overuse no longer is shocking.
Just see it as the response as a “programmed” and “small mind”.
The luciferians want everyone judge by bodyparts, looks like the dopes here have bought it hook line and sinker.
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I’m sure he is.
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You need to add one crucial trait: pussy gap.
ALL hot women have a noticeable gap between their thighs pussy lips. Its noticeable no matter how skinny or curvy from kate moss to beyonce. Some skinny gals dont have it and some curvier ones do (Kim Kardashian, jlo)
You can always see light b/w their thighs or bikini.
Its gets jokes for “mind the gap” and camel toe…..but, I have almost never seen a women with a noticeble gap not be at least over 7.5; it naturally doesnt occur on women who are heavy, have fupas, or have oblong or flat hips or flat butts.
Also, the swoop down & back or incline from wait to pussy hole is often pitched back, producing the pumped up butt, which is also a prime hottie indicator.
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I get a lot of hits from this page so I did this quiz again and I ended up with a 16.5 instead of an 11 like last time.
There is where the flaws lie in this quiz. I’ve lost some weight since April and some of the questions where I used to take out -5, I’m now taking out -1 (or vice versa). I realize that some of them are supposed to be funny or are meant to emphasize how important a certain answer is but it skews the test.
To be nicer to the female ego and get less shit, I’d started giving out 1’s instead of zeros and zeros instead of -1’s. No one likes to be in the minus numbers.
Other than that, it is a pretty accurate quiz. And ladies, I’m not talking about your value for your friends or anyone who knows you but as your value in a bar or how you look to someone on the street. The minus 11 was pretty accurate for me in April and I might have gone up a few points (not an entire category like I’m in now). I am a classic beta.
As for the bigger ladies, like I said. IMO, this quiz is your street worth. Kind of how you look to strangers. It’s not that you’ll never find love, you just won’t find it in a club or a street. Take it from a girl whose weight was in the upper 100’s and has several friends who are still up there. If you want love, you need your personality to shine through in a personal setting where physical appearances have ceased to count anymore (i.e. someone you’ve been acquainted with). Of course, with exceptions, like the quiz maker suggested.
So if you don’t care what strangers think- well, there you go. Screw the test, the numbers mean nothing.
It does seem harsh but the world is a harsh place. It’s evolutionary biology. Men pick mates based on physical appearances. I’m not fooled by the “attraction is about personality” BS they feel to you in junior high. Attraction is very much so about physical appearance and unless you’re willing to look for alternative forms of finding a date, you’ll have to jump into the rat race and do the best you can.
It’s life.
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So I’ve finally gotten around to reading all of the comments over a period of months. What I’ve figured out is that the area of disconnect for people commenting on this always happens around the point where we start talking about whether or not the evolutionary thing drives all of our romantic/sexual choices and interactions. So I get why the debate really isn’t that fruitful- no one’s really addressing what’s at the core of the argument, so you’ve got the… can I call you guys the emotional, or maybe religious, whatever, half, arguing in terms that the reason based, darwinist people don’t understand, or don’t believe.
You keep getting these women who lost some weight in an effort to up their value in the system, so they are often the staunchest supporters of it. I was one of these- pretty but fat. (Someone will ask, so I’m just going to say it now.) Don’t take these women as legitimate arguments for your side. They just have low self esteem and/or questionable personalities.
Then you have the women who have always been hot. They benefit from the system, so of course they’re gooing to argue for it. Or… actually usually they just come in and drop a line about being a 50, add in an emoticon, and bounce. :p
You get the overweight or unnatractive women who don’t believe they will ever get better value in the system, so they come out with the “small dick” shit. Which proves that they also run on a system of superficial values. Their arguments should probably also be ignored.
Then you have the men who hate women and use the whole evolutionary thing as an excuse for immoral behavior. They come in and drop all the lines about fat whores. (Black Cowboy, you sound ridiculous and ignorant. You also sound self hating. Get your racial act together.)
Basically the only completely reasonable argument I have heard thusfar (and it was totally ignored!) was the chick who was hot and had chosen a supposed beta. She basically admits that there is a system and we do work in it, but we also have, as humans, the ability to disengage and work on a higher level than that. We don’t have* to be slaves to our biology. Look at what we’ve done, the things we’ve created. And then try telling me again that we should be subject to the exact same rules as every other animal. That’s ridiculous. We’re better than that. Or at least differant than that. So if you’re going to choose to act in a way that doesn’t draw on your full human potential, please stop arguing that it’s all evolution- we are past that point.
What you should really be talking about is how much we are controlled by our biologies, which would be intellectually cool, would cut out the stupid filler small dick/fatty commentary, and would engage all the smart but really vitriolic chicks who are so pissed at the coditionally truye points you’ve made.
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I think you should ignore the argument by the person above. All other claims make sense but this is the only argument in the thread that seemed like it had very little to do with the point of conflict itself and more to do with the poster’s attempt to feel enlightened and superior to everyone else who have their own bone to pick.
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Whoa, comment fail. Well major points, cuz I’m not retyping that:
1)I didn’t mean to come off as douchey. I also didn’t use particularly advanced language, talk about my education or knowledge of random shit, or claim that I’m smart (which is counterintuitive- we would all know you were smart if you were really smart, which actually kind of insults our intelligence, and if you aren’t actually smart we’re all judging you.)
2)Okay, I probably did forget a few comments over a period of months. But I’m trying to actually get something for the thread. That involves cutting the fat. Sorry if that comes off as trying to be enlightened and superior. (This, too, seems ridic. Isn’t that the point of the thread? Enlightenment about the real nature of dating as a woman?)
3)You didn’t actually attack *anything I had to say. You just tried to point out some kind of weird complex that I (seriously don’t) have. Which is also ridic. Your sn is the Voice of REASON! You’re not even using it. Plus you’re coming off as having an inferiority complex (I don’t mean to offend, but it’s true.)
But at least you didn’t call me a fatty. That’s a step up from 90% of the commentary. 😀
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My original comment, for the for the tl;dr crowd:
1) The debate is going in circles because ppl aren’t actually talking about the same stuff (i.e. evolution- because he refers to evolution to guide the quiz, dude.)
2) This is partially because there’s a lot of commentary by people who aren’t making sense or have obvious complexes, though.
3) The core of the thread/what there is to get out of this thing. (We can overcome our biologies/don’t use evolution as an excuse.)
4) What we should really be talking about… or what I wish we were talking about… But I guess this part is fluff. :p
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Of course, I did attack what you said. Didn’t I just say that it didn’t contribute anything?
All if not most- of these arguments make perfect sense. You’re just providing weak reasons for why these poster’s opinions don’t count.
Besides that, this isn’t actually a forum for debate. CR rarely reads this. It basically consists of comments about the nature of the quiz. Some people start debates but they fade out because conversations like these do keep going in circles and there isn’t any way to come to a conclusion.
As for my own opinion, I agreed with this quiz when I was fat and I agree with it now even when I am not as fat. Maybe I do have an inferiority complex but that’s only when it comes to my appearance. Does that mean I have a questionable personality? By losing weight I only went up a few points. If I suddenly gain 50 lbs, I’ll still support the quiz because it’s one of the most realistic ones out there. I’m not fooling myself into thinking that scoring low on this quiz means I’ll never find love but CR has basically summed up what I’m worth to the average joe at a bar.
But that doesn’t mean that I believe everyone else on here is stupid or ignorant.
I understand the “unnattractive/overweight women” as you describe them and I do agree with them a bit, this test does have a misogynist element to it and can seem especially so after comparing it to the test used for males.
Then we have the actual misogynist males who actually provide a lot of insight into their psyche with their comments. Many of them are jaded by attractive women and disillusioned by media so they project their own insecurities on the women who refuse to accept the test.
In no way am I claiming that my opinion is the -right- one because I’m not an evolutionary theorist and although I’m a big fan of evolutionary psychology- I’m not immune to its fallacies.
In addition to this hot girl who scored a beta (I like the use of your word “chosen” though), the arguments I like best are those of honest women who have gone on and scored a random number, laughed and moved on with their lives.
Because tests like these aren’t worth the debate that they generate. CR is a half wit who spends most of his time teaching a bunch of socially inept nerds how to score some ass. He is hardly a scientific researcher and this is hardly an academic journal. It rings true but what do we know? The whole thing could be refuted in a few years and how many of us will use this test to judge a woman who we want to date? Who would want to date someone who used a test like this to rate them?
It’s just a dumb test. This is not a debate. Everyone has valid opinions. That is all.
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something is off here, what if the girl is 5 fot tall but her bmi gives her a +12? how is that fair
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Good job, on what is obviously a popular blog post! The comments section is definitely a clash of the uglier gender stereotypes. It’d be funny if I didn’t know so many of those folks in real life.
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“29. You are about to have sex with a guy for the first time. He undresses and his penis is small. Do you:”
……I hope you realize this question is a dead giveaway that you have a small penis. Gross.
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I’m a -12. I figure this is OK because I am married to a worshipful beta. I hope nothing bad happens to him, because if I were to be single again I would be completely fucked (alas, not literally…at least not by anyone I would want to fuck.)
However, I still find all of this fascinating. To be honest, I’m not particularly offended by any of this. I believe physical beauty can be judged objectively and I, unfortunately, got dealt a shitty genetic hand. Maybe it’s unfair to disregard people because of the way they look, but even ugly people do it. I’ve blown off, ignored, and scorned people who I believed to be uglier than me, solely because I couldn’t force a physical attraction, even if they had many attractive non physical qualities.
I’m happy to say, though, that I have a good marriage and a satisfying sex life. So I can report ugliness and satisfaction aren’t mutually exclusive, which I’m sure everybody already knows. In fact, pre-marriage, I had lots of sex with many men who were more attractive than me. Of course, they were just using me for sex, but then again, I was using them for sex too. No harm, no foul.
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WOW..
I will be 30 on 11/7.. And this was the first time to take the test… I was learning what BETA FEMALE WAS>> to see if I was or not.. Someone was looking for relationship.
My score was 43… I must say it really changed the way I look at things…
tks.
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Funny, you can tell who’s a fatty/butterface/etc just by the indignation in the comment’s section.
Then you’ve got the girls who claim to be Alpha’s writing overly witty/wordy comments trying to deal with brutal truths.
Then of course you have the girls who also claim to be smart and then miss the point of the small dick/blowjob question where they typically jump to illogical conclusions about the author.
Ladies, as R. mentions, these are generalities but, the answers do point towards some pretty significant accuracies.
“But the BMI is so outdated and doesn’t take into account different cultures/races/etc”
Jesus Christ stfu. It’s an online questionnaire! It’s the best indicator of a female’s body for general judgements. You same chicks that are upset probably live and die by the bs in Vogue and Vanity fair!
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Beautiful. Yet another blog post made by a self-righteous male, whose opinion is taken at face value by himself as applicable to every female encountered.
It is also worth mentioning that your complete shunning of a female with high IQ is laughable. Are you by chance ridden with an ordeal of insecurities, those which you cover by pride, that drive fear inside you in the presence of someone that’s many times more mentally capable than you?
Because it looks to me that scoring 64 in this test equals to a less-than-competent Barbie doll.
But hey, thank you for sharing your fetishes and subtle insecurities with the world. I’m sure that, while your appeal to a hefty amount of nice women has vanished due to your indiscriminate labeling of women in general, you will, eventually, get your dream doll. I wish you the best, though; you will suffer dearly.
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Case in point ^ You broads sure like to say how smart you are and yet, the simple truth is, you’re average at best. The people with the highest IQ’s are in a smaller pool simply because they have a fewer people to meet that share their intelligence and will have a harder time reaching common ground. OOOOOh but you have it ALLLL figured out. Extra points for getting indignant and self righteous yourself.
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Fisto, you’re an idiot.
The test is pretty good but you’re an idiot.
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Name calling, the hallmark of intelligence.
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I never claimed I was intelligent. That’s why I got such a great score.
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touche ; )
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This test is garbage, it’s basically a test showing how skanky/scandalous a woman is; not even considering the aspects of relationships men look for and basically screening women to see who is an easy lay.
How the hell can you value a Dating Market Value based off of blowjobs and nose size? It ignores other beautiful things in women that stand out and knock out other women.
I can say this because I got “Super Alpha”.
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The feminists must hate you. I liked the post it was hilarious
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I think the test is fairly accurate. I got greater beta, with or without the subtracted 10 points, and that sounds about right judging by my experience of the real world. I lost a bunch of points for being old, mostly. 😛 Too bad I underestimated my DMV so much when I was younger; I probably could have done so much better for myself but I was ridiculously clueless. C’est la vie!
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I think that this test is fairly acurate. Its natural that a test like this pisses of many good looking women and makes the fat ones go bezerk. Eating shit food and not exercising is being lazy and dumb. Nobody likes fat people and making this statement pisses off half the population. Saying that younger women are better also pisses of the majority of the first world country women. The comments were a waste of time to read because of the flamewar, but the post was very entertaining!
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Nice insight, there, “Seducer.” I’m over weight because I just battled breast cancer and was put in bed for a year. I’d love to exercise and eat healthy and fill myself with arrogant ideas about how low the rest of the unpretty world is, but I can’t. I don’t have hair, I don’t have breasts, and I don’t have energy. I’m pale and I’m weak. I’m also a big believer in kharma however.
Are you? >:)
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I think if a woman does anal it should be more points. Anal is incredible for men who truly enjoy giving it to their women.
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The comments are hilarious.
especially the ones that admit they googled and found this.
I guess they were expecting a test that would reassure them that everything is okay, and they are a special little snowflake that brings all the boys to the yard.
A couple of points that clearly need to be clarified:
1. This is not a grade-school test. You weren’t meant to make a perfect score, in fact its doubtful many would make top 30%. A 64 is the perfect female. Since none exist, this means that naturally some answers are going to conflict with others (one response wrote that you arent likely to find a girl who likes to take it up the ass and also doesnt use swear words often.) This would be the case for the perfect, but nonexistant female (just as there is no perfect male).
2. An incredibly high IQ is intimidating in both women and men. A WELL ABOVE AVERAGE IQ IS FACTORED AS A NEGATIVE FOR MEN AS WELL.
Its not because he cant handle “strong, empowered, liberated women” (code-word for lesser beta feminazi, who ironically fights for a womans right to be unabashed in her sexuality but hates when people score her positively for doing so), but because no one likes a know-it-all. It is also imporant to take into context how many points are taken away. If only -1 point is given for having a high IQ, what does that say about how easy it is to overcome that?
And, as one responder pointed out, The people with the highest IQ’s are in a smaller pool simply because they have fewer people to meet that share their intelligence and will have a harder time reaching common ground.
3. This test is not the end-all of your dating life. I scored as a lesser beta on his male test, and yet Ive gotten 3 chicks in the sack in the past month. Consider it more of a first-impression test.
Your job.
The amount of money you make.
Your accomplishments.
Your social status and number of friends.
Your deep and profound worldview.
None of these are part of a first impression.
Ultimately, the people who detest this test (teehee), are
1. The same people who scored low on it, expecting to be just shy of perfection, without realizing that like a pyramid and not a grade-school test, there are incredibly few women who will score high, and with relatively few women scoring high, most are in the same boat of mediocrity and thus you arent going to be shoved out of the dating market altogether.
2. People who entertain the notion that a more desirable woman is physically attractive is somehow sexist (i.e against the notions that have been programmed into your head)
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“Poorly located moles”? The fetish for moles in certain locations and the application of so called beauty marks is something I personally never understood. Moles are icky regardless of their location in my opinion. Yet I see them fetishized everywhere (or at least in Japan, Europe and USA). Could somebody please explain the psychology behind this?
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I’m wondering how would you measure the “alphaness” of women. Since men can be categorized into alpha/beta/omega. Apparently aplaness is not judged by look. I guess it will have to take a female writer to do the job. I am just curious about what kind of women do YOU think is “alpha”? I am thinking the more hard-to-get the more “alpha” haha
And when an alpha man meet an alpha woman, game on, would be a good story to write.
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#29: Why is there no option for “offer him my strap-on”?
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Just… Go kill yourself. Really. I don’t know why you exist.
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i second that. bitchfaggot. burn in hell.
anyone who actually possesses beauty will tell you that beauty is like money. everyone wants it, but if/once you have it, you realize it doesn’t make you a better person, or even a happier one. so beautiful people don’t look for beauty in others because they realize how worthless it is. for a bit of fun, sure, eyecandy’s nice. but otherwise it doesn’t make one iota of difference.
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As offensive as this post is to women, the funniest part of this whole thing is that there is a “Donate” button on the page. I’d like to see a list of those “Donors” because those are the ones that need to be rounded up like cattle and taken to a mental institution.
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I lol @ all these women who think their opinion means something to us.
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Routes,
And that’s why I love men. Because y’all just don’t give a fuck. LOL
Sincerely,
PD
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We totally give a fuck, just not to uptight cunts.
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Thank you. My cunt is very tight.
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Of course it is princess
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I might be making a mistake by arguing, but in any case:
preachersdaughter69 (Props for choosing a short and easy nick, by the way) – Writing such a blog takes a lot of time and effort. Some people choose to donate money to show their appreciation for the hard work.
Don’t worry, I’m not expecting you to understand the concept right away.
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Darling. Most people know that writing a blog post like this takes a lot of time and effort. I know because I run a blog myself, and I have quite a few followers.
Trying to keep it anonymous though, here. Anyway, this was definitely amusing in it’s own closedmindedness. But that isn’t the thing I find decent in other bloggers. But then again, it is his blog…
Definitely a esteem booster as I got a 42 though. Hot or not determined I was a ten, too. Points were mostly taken away from the fact that I have a high IQ and that I am Asian and so I have oriental features. Smaller eyes and such. Have a good day in your world.
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I wouldn’t expect her to understand much of anything Deutsch
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I passed this test to my two “female friends” sitting in my room with me right now and they scored 24 and 25. They both overrated their body/facial appearance and probably lied about anal sex so the proper score for them would be 15. The test is so accurate because my friends are the ones who always overcompensate their looks of a 6 by heavy drinking, dressing up in flashy clothes and getting all loud on Friday night.. and by doing that, sometimes they get what they want – a one night stand with some greater beta guy.
The hateful comments underneath the article are written by women who thought they were 8-10 (because of their inner “deepness” and shitty college degrees) while in reality they are just overeducated average-at-all liberal American feminists deluded by the Sex and the City-inspired fantasies. I hardly imagine a real-life woman scoring 30+ here and all those who did that probably are only good pumping and dumping for having unrealistic image of themselves and a lack of character. An intelligent woman with a character would agree with the test results without getting all whinny and acting offended, even if she’s a lesser beta.
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yes so I got a 3. yay for me. if I wasn’t fat I’d score pretty high, but as it is I suppose I should just go blow my brains out now, because i have no worth as a human being….
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The Impact of Past Dating Relationship Solidarity on Commitment, Satisfaction,
Investment and Maintenance in Current Relationships
a very interesting thesis that shows how past break-ups affect women significantly and negatively in their future relationships. definitely worth a read as it is quite short.
http://wvuscholar.wvu.edu:8881//exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/6630.pdf
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Your perception of beauty.
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“There is one Gaping Flaw in your reasoning, darling; this is that women with IQs over 145 are so utterly bored by males with your set of priorities that we are, de facto, Out Of Your League. ”
Maybe you need to think about what those guys who don’t have those priorities are like.
If you have an IQ over 145, most men (and women) won’t be able to relate to you well, only the highly intelligent ones will. And if you think that highly intelligent men are generally a great catch, think again.
Better learn to love Monty Python and video games, because you’re nerd bait.
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I do love Monty Python and video games, spending an entire night talking about determinism over a bottle of wine and getting excited when the right person lends me the perfect book, as a way to tell me how much he knows me. Some people are happy to be nerd bait.
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“This is complete nonsense. Please tell me how on earth a 15-16 can get 5 points??? That’s illegal to be having sex with minors. Just dirty.”
I think the assumption is that a girl of that age would be dating boys of the same age. Girls of that age do date.
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You insult men by stating that they do not care about anything but looks. Looks, primarily – yes. Looks for short term relationships – yes. However… for the quality guy looking for an LTR?
job, $, accomplishments, social status and friendships, worldview all the sudden start to matter. A lot.
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job, $, accomplishments, social status and friendships, all matter, but not from the point of view of attraction. Are you attract of an woman by money even in a LTR? I dont’ think so
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You people are friggin idiots, archaic trolls. The television zapped you into a world of shallow values and “rankings” and ideas of success that have been shaped by a history of violence and domination that are driving the world to shit.
So long as you keep feeding this idea of battle-between-the-sexes, there will be the idea of one. It’s called a self-fulfilling prophecy, not “biology” as some of you are pseudo-scientifically happy to assume.
I hope all of you sit your little daughters, nieces, and cousins on your laps, look them in the eye and explain that one day, other men will also be white supremacist, eugenic ideologues with a penchant for treating them like sexual garbage.
On that note, if you have an ounce of working reason and haven’t already, please don’t procreate.
[Editor: Single on V-Day? Call 1-800-KITTY-GIVE-ME-LOVE. Kitties are standing by to meow sympathetically.]
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^^
die you dreadful mangina
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You insult men by stating that they do not care about anything but looks. Looks, primarily – yes. Looks for short term relationships – yes. However… for the quality guy looking for an LTR?
job, $, accomplishments, social status and friendships, worldview all the sudden start to matter. A lot.
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Uh, no, please do not project what the average female desires in a man to what the average man desires in from woman (at least for sexual market value purposes).
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job, $, accomplishments, social status and friendships, worldview all the sudden start to matter. A lot.
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lifeinlonglegs,
Let me just clarify a bit by saying that what you say is not totally incorrect — just that these attributes are more desirable for a man to have in attracting a woman rather than the reverse.
Certainly you are correct in that these traits do matter to men, but do to females overall hypergamous natures, they matter far more to the ladies than the guys.
IOW – women marry ‘up’ — men marry ‘down’. (However not *too down*.)
Read the excellent works of F. Roger Devlin if you want further elucidation of these theories.
*God bless you – I checked out your blog and I like it very much. Your a sincere Christian like myself who merely wants to find out the Truth of our sinful human nature so we can learn and do our best to overcome much of it.
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Reality Check: thanks.
I guess you noticed I wasn’t projecting – just that I imagine thought it’s not the first thing that is noticed, most men don’t want their children raised by an unemployable, indebted person with no social skills or friends who believes in scientology and heroin use.
Good to see not all Christians have forgotten that the internet is a worldwide mission field.
I like what you said but for others I’d like to clarify that we cannot overcome our sinful nature ourselves, or ascend to God by being good. This is not what it is to be a Christian. Rather, God revealed our falleness in the Law [Old Testament law]- and overcame Sin and Death in the fulfillment of that law in Jesus Christ [see New Testament] – Who sent the Spirit of God to live in us who accept His payment for our Sin, to free us that we might obey and love God and be relationship with him for eternity.
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Almost a super alpha.
Sucks not having a guy as attractive as you.
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The comments from these women are priceless. The pain is so personal. Life sucks and then you die!
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You speak from experience?
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“Once you try spic, you want no other dick?”
That’s a new one on m.
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I scored an 26, so I’m a Greater Beta Female. What hurt me the most was my age (40). I lost 5-13 points from that question alone (and why are 15-17yo even on the quiz?).
I also lost some points for being a lesbian, as the penis size, blowjob, would I smile at a man approaching me at a bar etc. questions, hurt me). However, I knew that going in that the test was mainly for heterosexual women.
What this test did reveal are some minor areas that I can tweak (e.g., I definitely could dress more stylish, wear sexy lingerie beyond special occasions, curse less, etc.) in order to step up my game and move up into alpha female status. I do wanna steal alpha females in the 30-45yo range from you fellas 🙂
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If this was a man who wrote this “Fuck you small dick.”Very few guys have nice dicks so that’s how men compensate for their lack thereof, whether pretty or not. They bash women. But, I’ve seen and heard women do the same. We are just as guilty. But, we are starting to accept the beer guts. But even the beer gut men expect a perfect woman. I fear the future for my children in this superficial world.
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54.5
Take it or leave it.
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Classic beta, baby! YES!! 0 points.
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Women are notoriously unable to accurately gauge their own attractiveness. Make the final step “subtract 10 points from your final score”, and the test might be a bit more.
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It all sounds reasonable. I too have doubts about the BMI, some of the women in the gym will make you cry they are so fine. some will only make you cry in fear of course.
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No wait.
Lots of smart chicks have a diabolical appeal. Admit it.
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That’s my mojo. Rock that angle every chance I get.
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Multiple spam comment:
This list misses all my fetish points. I like girls with large heads, large noses and large behinds.
Thats kind of gross to go into detail. But I may not be the only one. The anal part is right on tho.
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Take this to Cosmo and other such magazines! It would be hilarious. And now I feel like a bad feminist, but I don’t see why the women are getting huffy about this test anyway. I don’t think it’s supposed to be taken seriously.
I started the quiz because I’m vain like that, but when I got to question 11 I was stumped. (I’ll say it now, I stopped shaving. I also stopped dating. I’m genuinely curious about this.) Presumably, no future prospects are going to know anything of this prior to a date, so how does it have any impact on the overall score? I don’t think it should, personally, since no one lays all their cards out on the table on a first date or even a first impression. An alpha wouldn’t know those things prior to taking out any woman, so how does that affect the woman’s market value according to your quiz? I know you claimed exceptions to everything, but I really don’t understand that question, and the same for questions 30, 31, and 32.
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I would probably be all offended too if I didn’t classify as a “bona fide hottie”. I’ll admit it takes work to look and be sexy, but it’s worth it to deserve the kind of man who laughs at the dudes on this site. “Is that beta of me to (treat a woman nicely)?” lmao!
Seriously though, it’s kinda weird. If it worked, then why does it matter what it was? You got laid, you weirdo!
❤ Jazz
*also I noticed you didn't take into account sexy accents or red hair, two things I am often complimented on, so I took the liberty of bumping myself from a 51 to a 53. It didn't change my results but it made me feel 2 points sexier!!!
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I got through the first few questions on this “test” – and I had to laugh. This is classic beta stuff, ha-ha. Like any alpha female would , I quickly lost interest and moved on to GENUINELY interesting stuff on the internet, – staying around only long enough to leave this comment. Has anyone else noticed that today – the betas seem to love to set up websites like this so they can continue to obsess on – you guessed it – us alphas. Firstly, – Mr. Beta, there’s really very few alphas who would even hang around here long enough to take your “test”. Try this , though; google “how to deal with a beta”, and see how few hits you get. It’s one of the mysteries of life. We’re (alphas) still trying to figure it out. Today, we have to deal with ya’s on the net. God help us.
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The fact that you even felt the need to write a comment (And a fairly long one at that) proves that you’re insecure. Not fitting of an alpha.
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See….that’s exactly what I mean. You clearly don’t even KNOW anything about alpha, beta and omega. First, to an alpha, that’s NOT a long comment. To YOU that’s a long comment. An alpha can sit down and type a novel out in two weeks. Secondly, you say that “proves” that I’m insecure. You’re not going to like this, but now tell me (and the rest of the people who check this site out) – exactly how that is “proven” by the fact that left a comment. lol…..I love to watch a beta struggle. Go ahead, now. Explain.
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Haha okay darling, well first of all I agree with you, that’s not a long comment. When I said that I was comparing it to your average internet comment. Yours is longer than the average. Prove me wrong. You can’t.
Second of all, a true alpha would have laughed us off and continued to do some of these bigger and better things that you continuously brag about. Why even bother with us if we’re so low? Because you wanted affirmation from us. Pathetic.
I wouldn’t challenge the intellect of a man darling, it’s a little too much for you.
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Ha ha, I’m a classic beta! I coulda guessed that one by skipping the test and going straight to result descriptions. Good thing I’m married to a good enough guy, cuz I’m a little long in the tooth, and not too interested in tramping it up for a one night stand.
thx for the laugh
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[…] about myself that make me feel bad. Like the shit test thing, among many others. I went over to the dating market value test for women page out of vain curiosity and started taking the test, and then I got scared and I left it alone and […]
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Wow so refusing anal and being mentally retarded will cost you the same amount of points
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Anal is important!
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Been to this blog for a while and finally read this post. haha!! Did the test as well. I’m not surprised.
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-29
Interesting how this “test” sparks a lot of controversy and discussion.
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the hottest alphette who has no ‘profound world view’ too easily transforms into the most repugnant creature..
specimens like kim kardashian still manage to get used for cock hotels.
paris hilton just emulates what mummy did to daddy.
is it still too soon to mention brittany?
..if you can manage to stomach your partner for over 30 minutes, hang on for dear life.
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Wow, you can tell the creator of this test isn’t losing any points for a high IQ. When even scientifically designed tests are subject to major criticism for debatable premises or question design, what do you think the value of this quiz would be? I mean, come on, waist-to-hip ratio, which is proven to be a major factor in biological attraction, is weighted equally with whether a woman offers to pay for a meal? If I wanted to design a test full of arbitrariness and flaws, this would be it.
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I’m a Greater Beta, but I think I’d have to be Caucasian for that to be accurate.
Like some people had stated previously, this quiz kind of only works if you’re an American heterosexual white female, but even then it’s still riddled with holes and flaws. But I mean, it’s the internet, where everything is taken with a grain of salt, yeah?
Although, the eager attitude towards blowjobs and anal sex doesn’t really seem to fall under the category of ‘first impressions’. As much as I know lots of guys find that appealing, I think a lot of them would be turned off at the lack of class if a woman straight up told you that she loved swallowing in your first conversation. Same goes for the small dick question. If this is supposed to be the initial assessment of a woman whom you just met at a bar and started a conversation with, that question shouldn’t even apply with the DMV. Just sayin’.
I also checked out the male version of this quiz, and I feel like it should be written from a female’s perspective. Rather than written from the point of view of a male who thinks he knows what women want, it’d make more sense if a woman just wrote what she wanted. I realize some women like cocky douches, while others, usually more traditional, prefer sensitive beta nice guys. And it seems the male version is only written in appeal to the former.
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I got a 16. Which seems accurate. (I can get a date, but I’m out of the running with guys specifically looking for a hottie.) Mainly lost points on the face. I’m plain. Can’t do anything about that.
Weirdly enough this is satisfying. I feel somewhat reassured that the guy I’ve got isn’t out of my league.
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Oh man, this was such a joke. Though on a practical level you should specify measurements instead of “short, average, long” because who really knows what those actually mean.
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I would love to see all of these whining ladies on here post a picture of themselves next to their score. My gut intuition says it’d correlate to the test results with a high degree of accuracy.
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My experience as a guy with an average size dick (about 6 inches) is that you can please all but the cock-fetish girls. Unfortunately, these are also the kinds that like super slutty porn-sex. There are however also hot girls who like anal, submission, cumswallowing and giving head that don’t care all that much about size, but they’re more rare.
Now the big question is, how many girls have that “obsession” over the actual dick, where bigger is always better? I seriously have no idea.
What it comes down to in the end is that there are girls who have a big-dick-fetish, but there’s no one out there with a “average-dick-fetish”. So a big dick is a way to get laid.
You can’t get laid from your average dick alone, but once you get laid, if you’re good in bed, you can please most girls.
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Man I thought that the male dating market value test was cruel (i got a plus 5, im a 22 year old that is still living at home going to university, with no financial problems what so ever), but after seeing this test I am thinking differntly.
Thank fuck that I am a male. I can still improve myself so that I can be much more attractive when I am in my mid to late 20s or even over 30. Womens value are all on their looks and I don’t have to spend thousands on their looks like they do (tits, ass make-up, push up bras, etc.)
But for now, I guess I should just go hit on cougers and milfs in their late 30s and early 40s. They will have lover standards, a higher sex drive, and more experience. Win-Win right?
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[…] Needless to say, the women he ended up with had serious psychological issues, were financially irresponsible and far less physically appealing, and had little to no sexual or dating market value. […]
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Uhm, I’m unsure how accurate my result is since I just put down zero points for anything sex related seeing as I am still a virgin…
But ten subtracted from twenty-seven is seventeen, so I still fit within the 15-29 range I guess? (Now if only subtracting ten POUNDS was just as easy.)
Interesting and informative test, thanks for making it!
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Wow! It is amazing how close those pics look at first glance but when you start to look at the details the left one is beautiful while the right one looks more masculine. The difference is in the eyes and the width of the face.
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Anyone else notice the 15/16-year-olds get more points than the 26-to-29-year-olds?
[Heartiste: Incorrect. Your misleading interpretation to the contrary notwithstanding, the test clearly states that women in the 17-25 year old age bracket get the most points based on looks. 15-16 year olds, who are, btw, fully sexually developed women with tits, curves and ass, earn fewer points than the 17-25 group. They do earn more points than the 26-29 year old group, but that’s because by that age most women have begun the decline to sexual obsolescence in earnest.]
I’m pretty sure the test would’ve included 13/14-year-olds, too
[But the test didn’t include that age group, despite your secret wishes. The reason that group wasn’t included is because most 13 and 14 year old girls have not yet reached their post-puberty sexual maturity. They still retain child-like features, which is a turn-off to almost all men. Only clinical pedophiles would be attracted to girls with pre-sexual bodies.]
if it weren’t so obviously creepy
[You know what’s creepy? Cunts like yourself who assume that men really want to bang pre-teen girls. Are you a closeted pedo?]
for full-grown men to be attracted to kids (which people in the 17-to-20-year-olds group still are, really)..
[It wasn’t so long ago that these 17-20 year old “kids” as you call them were gettting married off and having kids of their own.]
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“They do earn more points than the 26-29 year old group, but that’s because by that age most women have begun the decline to sexual obsolescence in earnest”
You are talking about American women, right?
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“Do you have a thick, rich, luxuriant bush, overflowing with magnificent enhanced aromas and flavors?”
Yes = +1000
No = You’re better off dead
Peter
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And here I go with ‘another moronic way to waste my time and not study macroeconomics’.
I got a 32, which is surprising considering these type of men are then ones I’d probably get into a fight six minutes into the convo…
I’m objectively beautiful, it must be that. Altho’ I’m kind of missing the point of the test, why would one want to asses their market value for the population of average men, when they’re not average themselves?
I get how an high IQ would scare off an average man, but, a woman with a mensa-level IQ would never consider dating a man of average intelligence to begin with, her sample poplulation is already much smaller, for the better, right?
Men who do not value a partner’s intelligence, sense of humour (you forgot a about that, that’s huge), view on life, accomplishments, drive, job (which doesn’t only mean status, but it is the thing that defines at least half of a person’s identity) are not the kind of men I’d ever want to date, so an interest in my market value for them would only entail shitloads of narcisism of my part.
With regards to age, it is well true that 16 year olds are fully developed most of the times, but pretty they are not. Aside from the obvious emotional immaturity, normal for a culture where adolescents are not meant to get married any more, teenagers are awkward. As some who just stopped being one, I can tell you that it’s hard to find a 16 yo, who’s not a television character and who can make a good use of her natural looks, is secure in her body and has enough sense of self and confidence to even have a sexual relationship; Beiber is where he is for a reason, wouldn’t be fun to date the reason…
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I didn’t bother to read the whole post but all I can say is, you just need a young immature girl with daddy issues. Since you have mommy issues you’d be perfect for each other,get married, procreate then leave the dating scene for adults like us.
Also, any woman who took their time to read all this crap and calculated their scores..well because of your stupidity you deserve any bad treatment that is coming towards you.
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Sounds like someone doesn’t get laaaid.
Stop being a cunt and lighten up.
You’re obviously the one with daddy issues if you find this THAT upsetting. And judging by the fact that you have a video game character that, I’ll assume, looks like you… yeah. Lol. I can see why you would respond this way.
And you obviously read over this if you have any idea as to what it’s about.
Spend your time better, I find it odd that you waste it talking about things you hate~
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Two things are missing that are crucial:
1. Number of past partners.
2. Single motherhood. This should be like -20 or something. Even the hottest chicks are P & D if they have a kid.
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I agree on the kids thing, but past partners? No.
I do kegels multiple times a day and I had my period of sluttery and my vagina is still virgin tight. Which of course you don’t have to believe, but even if you don’t believe me, there are girls out there who actually take care of themselves.
That and the fact that vagina is pretty elastic for a very long time or until after child birth.
[heartiste: so single moms should be avoided. agreed!]
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I’m not talking about anyone’s vagina. I’m talking about sluttery. If she’s a slut, she is less dateable. More fuckable, yes, but less dateable.
PS – you talking about your vag and your kegels is classic TMI attention whoring.
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No its not. Pump out a kid its lost its youth, and pump out several, its a lost cause.
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I think every woman’s body is going to be slightly different in this regard, just like not every woman gets stretch marks, etc.
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Yeah, past partners are VERY important to men. Women may not see it, but men do. It goes beyond vaginal tightness, just the psyche of knowing a woman has been with a lot of guys (in addition to her frame of mind) isn’t a good look. There’s no way around it
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Good overall test. As you pointed out, there may be a few older women that look great but generally speaking an average 22 year old beats a good looking 34 year old.
Someone posted a link in the earlier comments and I think you should take a look at it. It’s an extremely good site for understanding physical beaty in a woman (with an exceptional amount of supporting evidence). That most women who go to the site don’t get it should not only be not surprising, but testament to the site’s credibility.
http://www.femininebeauty.info/aesthetics
The site is quite comprehensive, but the FAQ section and the aesthetics section (link above) will give you some excellent information that will add to your test.
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“As you pointed out, there may be a few older women that look great but generally speaking an average 22 year old beats a good looking 34 year old.”
I agree with this. What’s cool about the good looking 34 year old is that you know she’s into taking care of herself and probably will continue to whereas the 22 year old could just be coasting on her age.
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Hilarious replies. A true treasure trove of anger and bile the likes of which I have rarely seen.
Re: the chick who told the story about her beta boyfriend and how happy she is, well you’re the exception that proves the rule. You met him freshman year in college. You pair-bonded with him while you were virginal or near-so. You are happy with what most females would consider ground chuck because you’ve never sampled filet mignon. And you know, that’s totally fine. Being satisfied with what we have is the most important key to happiness. Your story used to be so common that it would have nary warranted a comment, but now it is so rare as to be ridiculed.
I’m genuinely happy to hear your story. I see instances every day where women make choices that are just completely at odds with their long-term romantic and familial happiness, but you have a much higher chance of achieving such than the many mediocre chicks who consort vainly with guys way out of their league.
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I can’t really figure out why you guys are so upset about this. >>
It’s a fun little test that this guy decided to do. That and it seems as though he’s speaking generally… and a lot of those traits are considered ideal. Not by everyone, but by a lot of men.
Anyway, I got a 50, so thanks for that little ego boost. Lol. 😛
I had fun and my boyfriend agrees.
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I somehow got a 74… if I did the math right
[heartiste: the top score is 64. but you know, girls and math… not the best of friends!]
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LMFAO. Ladies don’t stress about this guy. He is nothing more than a yappie little limp wristed small dicked beta male, bleating and hating on women because he ain’t getting any and has been turned down more times than the beds at the Holiday Inn. Any real Alpha male is too busy getting it to post all this analysis. Guess that’s what happens when you get tired of spanking the monkey to online porn, you write a hate filed blog instead. What kind of gay c*ck sucker is so obsessed with women anyway that he takes all this time to write about them. FAGGOT
[heartiste: did your pussy lips quiver when you wrote that?
there there, happens to all sexually indeterminate readers. a support group is just a phone call away.]
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15…too old and my face is too fucking broad. Ugh, now I feel like shit.
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Scored 29 (19 if we subtract 10 points as advised:)), impressed xD Lost a lot, however, because of being a little bit too skinny (45 kilos and 163 cm tall – I’m a lazy bitch more used to the metric system) and a virgin. Yeah, I’m 19 and I’ve never been even kissed! Impressing, eh? However, judging by a lot of your posts, it’s supposed to boost my dating market value incredibly, isn’t it? So should I skip all the sex-related questions and add 10 points or so to my score?:)
Also surprised by the fact I didn’t have any points subtracted for being flat-chested (not like Keira Knightley, though) and got an extra one for being just moderately brainy. In fact, I’ve already lost a gorgeous guy to a girl much scarier than me just because of her being much brainier and a violinist (whereas I won’t know one note for another)!
Plus there is that question about make-up. How about a variant for those better-looking without make-up?:)
Anyway, if everything is so bright according to you, why everything sucks in reality? Why am I only approached by occasional classical beta to omega nerds – mostly those I hate to look at and to talk to? (Of course I know I’m over-selective and, putting into account my current near-perfect relationship, I shouldn’t be bitching around, but I’m puzzled by the trend itself and mean only the type and quantity of guys getting interested in me, not getting scared or whatever.) Any suggestions, mate?:)
Greetings from Ukraine!
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Don’t feel bad that you’ve never been kissed at 19 (I also was ashamed of that at your age because of all the feminist media I was growing up with and also because of the girls around me …) I think you really should add points to your SMV because of that. It’s better to wait until you find the right one than to sleep around like many girls do … but you’ve already learned that from other posts on this blog. Good luck with everything!
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I gotta 40. So a nascent alpha female?
[heartiste: your answer is in the mirror.]
This test is absolute bullshit, though.
[translation: “i lied about getting a score of 40. I’m really at -80.”]
So if a chick swears and is intelligent, she’s unattractive?
[swearing subtracts points. extreme intelligence subtracts points as well, since unusually smart people often are afflicted with weird and off-putting personality defects. next time, try reading for comprehension, SMRT girl.]
Fuck you.
[you first.]
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All the whiny/offended comments are hilarious.
A couple thoughts:
1) Thinness is probably the most important component of attractiveness, but within a certain range it’s hard to correlate to weight alone. Victoria’s Secret model Adrianna Lima would score 0 points for BMI at her reported height and weight of 5’10 and 115 pounds (BMI 16.5). According to your scale, she would raise her DMV +10 if she gained 30 pounds (BMI 20.8)…unlikely. On the other hand, some fit/muscular women look better with a BMI 21-25 than 17-21. WHR, actual bust-waist-hip measurements, and stomach flatness/definition are probably better indicators of thinness and should be weighted accordingly.
[heartiste: lima is very close to the 16.6 BMI cut-off, so we’ll give her +3 for her BMI. there are always exceptions to the rule, and this is particularly the case for women whose bone structures fall far outside the norm. women with very small frames can get away looking great at lower BMIs better than can women with large frames. for example, two women of the same height but having bone frames at opposite extremes would look better at different BMIs. The small-boned chick’s BMI would be optimal at a lower number while the large-boned chick’s BMI would be optimal at a higher number. but not too much higher. these variations are small, nothing like what we see in the general population, where 70% of women are walking around grossly overweight.
as for muscular chicks, sure, muscle skews BMI numbers. but since most chicks aren’t gym rats with six packs and bulging bis, it’s a bit of a red herring.]
2) You can pick up 11 points for personality traits (many of which correspond to sexual experience and wouldn’t apply to younger/inexperienced girls). That’s the same point difference between a BMI of 23 and 33, or facial beauty score of 1 and 6 or 6 and 10. Personality matters, but I don’t think it’s going to compensate for a woman being over 200 pounds. Nor will it equalize a hideously ugly woman and an average-looking one, or an average-looking girl and a perfect 10.
[good point. the scoring system is not optimized, but will be with future revisions.]
3) I’m surprised that number of sexual partners, marriages, and kids doesn’t factor in at all. According to this test, a virgin would be equally dateable as a triple-divorcee with five kids and a notch-count in the quadruple digits. That doesn’t tally with common sense or with anything written on this blog.
[this test focuses on dating, aka sexual, marketability. that is, how likely a man is to find a woman attractive enough to want to date and fuck. (i’m leaving the potential for one night stands out of the equation as an expedient. most men aren’t getting ONSs on a regular basis.) it says less about marriage-ability or LTR worthiness. you are correct, though, that children, divorces and high partner counts would render a woman less attractive for a relationship, all else equal. leaving those criteria out is an onversight that will be fixed in the future revision.]
4) As well as education/socioeconomic class. It may not matter *that* much, but I’d think that being extremely low socioeconomic class would disqualify you from many men–ie ghetto, trailer trash, homeless. I’d subtract points for not having a high school diploma, as well as for having a PhD or other advanced degree, which seems to limit options.
[low SES/education is really a proxy for intelligence. low class women are typically stupider than upper class women, so smart men would tend to find low class women dull, trite and annoying after a while. i mean, you can only go so long enjoying the sex of a hot babe if she never gets your jokes and thinks toddler beauty pageants are the height of culture. since SES is a proxy, i left it out, as the important variable is really her IQ, or discernible smarts, wit and charm. a low SES/uneducated waitress who is smart and sassy and hot is often a more enticing deal for an educated man than her equivalent in an ivy league school, because she will be more grateful to be with him. SES status differentials that skew in the man’s favor usually mean happy and healthy relationships, because it is the nature of women to want to look up to men, and the nature of men to want the admiration of women.]
5) Nothing on length/color/shininess of hair? Whiteness/evenness of teeth? Wrinkles or lack thereof? Presence or absence of tattoos/piercings? Upkeep of appearance/personal hygiene? How about voice: sultry/breathy/melodious vs whiny/grating/squeaky/mannish makes a difference, right?
[all right, now you’re nitpicking. wrinkles are part of facial attractiveness. if a woman has them, she’s losing points for overall facial looks. wrinkles are also a proxy for age, so that’s already covered. tats and piercings are mostly neutral, unless they’re really obnoxious, like a giant submarine across her tits or multiple nose piercings. anyhow, it’d require another ten pages to cover every last attribute. not that your categories aren’t valid. here, i’ll amuse you:
uneven teeth: -1
even, white teeth: +1
even, white-ish teeth: 0
even, white teeth with a snaggletooth: +1 (you know it!)
missing teeth: -10
high-pitched soft feminine voice: +1
low-pitched gravelly smoker’s voice: -1
normal pitch and timbre: 0
squeaky minnie mouse voice: -1
sultry, sexy voice: +1 if she’s young. these voice types don’t age well.
long, shiny, vibrantly colored hair: +1
mousy, stringy hair: 0
gray, dull, short hair: -1
bald: -10
i might be inclined to give an extra half point to blondes, but a pale face framed by a shock of raven hair is my personal pleasure.]
Anyway, I don’t mean too be too critical…it’s not easy to design a survey that simultaneously quantifies the components of attractiveness, weights them against other qualities, and allows for self-evaluation with maximum objectivity. It still provides great insight into what men find attractive, and it’s funny to read all the outraged feedback.
[stay tuned for the book edition!]
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“[stay tuned for the book edition!]”
When, when? 🙂 Can’t wait.
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I never really wanted to be completely honest with this test (although it looked like it did make some sense …) but now I tried to go through all the questions and I can’t believe that according to the scoring I can only “snag a slightly better than average guy to take me home for a single night of commitment.” But only if I really tramp it up … I’m really surprised and disappointed. Also, this test is really evil … what if someone is old or not pretty and she reads about herself that “the majority of men are disgusted by the sight of you.” What’s wrong with you, saying things like that?! Now I’m really sad because of that. Girls are already told everyday by the media that they are not pretty enough and now this … The majority of men are disgusted by the sight of you … WTF is wrong with you? But I’m also sad because you might be right … Men really are disgusted by ugly women … And this is because men only see us as a piece of meat … It’s almost like an average or ugly woman is not a human … I’m really disappointed by how men see girls. This is so cruel. Why would you want to make unattractive girls feel bad?! Magazines and TV is making them feel worthless already.
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Dear,
these kind of tests are mostly a joke, generalizations and gross exaggerations are part of this brand of politically incorrect humour. Some people enjoy it: I do, even without agreeing with any of dehumanising and genetics adoring views behind it.
Don’t take it too seriously, widen your concept of beauty beyond what you see on CW shows. Mind you, I’m one of these people amazed by beauty, but, simply by being more interested in French poetry and art than in watching E!, I already have a different idea, and instinctive recognition, of beauty than your average frat guy.
I will always find old, extremely intelligent and successfully Isabella Rosselini 100 times more attractive than any Jisele, for example.
What you see on the telly is not life, it does not represent society and is not a synthesis of our history as humankind.
There’s more, of you want more.
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but this is true. it’s like the elephant in the room.
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Exactly!
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dude.. i scored better on the men’s test and on both occasions i was completely honest. i’d also like to ask why you included 15-20 year olds when you also have questions about sex and in bar locations. below 21yr olds are illegal in bars, and stereotypically, girls under 18 don’t have sex every other night
[heartiste: sexual attractiveness is not venue-dependent.]
of course, all the readers must remember that males think with their penises and testicles, not their brains so this makes sense :3
[you’re right. all normal people need to become asexual at once, if the world is to be saved.]
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Hahaha… This is too funny. Looking at the comments on the men’s test, you will notice that many men willingly admit to negative scores, but the equivalent here is an “I hate you ch” message. You’re not exactly helping your cause, ladies.
I can’t understand why so many people fail to understand the “small penis” question. The majority ofwomen are satisfied with their partner’s size, but it is often an area of anxiety for even well-endowed men. It’s not about you loving small dicks, it’s about you not being a bitch to the guy because laughing at him is an extremely hurtful thing to do. I always used to assume I was small because I’m Asian, but found out a while ago that I’m actually on the opposite end of the spectrum, so I can definitely understand how anxious a guy can feel.
Suggestion:
Willingness to participate in a threesome: +20
Willingness to recruit her hot best friend for said threesome: +10 additionally
Willingness to recruit her hot sister for threesome: +20 additionally
Willingness to let you have sex with other women while in a relationship: … Marry this one (or at least give her +50).
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What about personality and character? A girl’s personality and character are huge factors in long-term attraction. Sure, her physical beauty may attract you but it’s her personality and character that will keep a man around.
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A couple of thoughts on the test:
1) Why don’t you include any reference to age in sex-related questions (as it is in some questions of the SMV test for guys)? For instance, very few 15- or even 18-year-olds can choose the third variant in number 32 and still be honest… luckily =) The same goes vor 30-year-old virgins, of course. Plus, the fact virginity is not mentioned at all is.. hm… a bit weird. Shouldn’t it be an advantage at some stage?
2) I wonder why no one has mentioned gait yet! You may have killer legs, but still walk and dance poorly. I, for one, always get complimented on mine (seriously), but have had a lot of problems with them since I can remember myself, still walk with a limp sometimes and can’t handle high heels. Another point everyone seems to have missed is posture – even though it is to one’s figure what wrinkles are to a woman’s face. Furthermore, judging from what my male friends tell me quite often, the state of skin should be given a higher value – 2 or 3 points at least.
After all, when will the test be updated?
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“Unlike the men who took my Male Dating Market Value test, I do not expect *any* women to be completely honest with themselves taking the Female Dating Market Value test. The female ego is simply way too fragile to absorb the shock of such a brutal self-assessment. ”
Awesome.
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Females are used to brutal self-assessment. I know very few women who think well of themselves. It’s the guys that have the cocky, self-assured attitudes.
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*Raises hand.* Got a 3.
But laughed most of my way through this test.
Seriously. This is so fucking hilarious. I thought it was a troll rest.
[heartiste: how does it feel dancing to a troll’s tune?]
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I’m happy to be a 44 year old lesser beta. Unfortunately I’m married to an Omega who is so jealous of the attention I do get from others (men and women) that he constantly tells me I’m not attractive. Instead of getting depressed I’ve decided to work on raising my sex rank!
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I am not a native speaker, so please forgive me my errors in the following.
The answers given by the females are simply hillarious. It’s like females are shocked that we do not share their value system. Why I should even care about the girl’s job? Ask or the 15-20 years, go around and ask your friends, but demand HONEST answers and I guarantee that most of them would agree that 16y/o are hot, even if they would prefer more mature girls. We are males, not the females with penises, so get over it. When I hear beautiful woman swearing, it really turns me off.
Interpret this test as “if you want to get attention of a man, what value you have for him in the first part of the relationship”, not as “what is my value”.
E.g. with the small dick: most males are fixated over their dicks. Really. Get used to it.
But I do not understand the anal thing. I get turned off by anal.
I’m married, BTW, with two kids now, so do not waste times complaining about how poor losers males are who think test is good approximation of male value system.
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I got an 11,
[heartiste: doubt it.]
and I mostly came here to laugh at the entire premise.
[whatever you need to tell yourself.]
I’m almost 25,
[tons?]
I spend 96% of my time
[96%? you sure your nerd calculations weren’t off by a percent?]
in ratty t-shirts and pj pants and no underwear of any sort,
[no one gives a shit.]
I bathe when my BO gets out of control,
[would you say your BO is out of control a lot?]
and I only shave my pits to help with the same problem.
[rationalization hamster at full rpm.]
I have legs as hairy as any man and IDGAF.
[you may not GAF, but men definitely GAF. which matters to your ability to compete in the dating market.]
Oh, also, I often wish I had a penis in addition to everything else, just to see what it feels like. 🙂
[of that i have no doubt.]
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kate, you sound like you have penis envy!
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kate:
“Oh, also, I often wish I had a penis in addition to everything else, just to see what it feels like.”
Never mind, kate. Maybe a man will take you for a ride on his.
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not it
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I scored 26, which isn’t bad for an early 30’s gal.
There were a few questions where I didn’t fit exactly with any of the options, so I tried to do the best I could with the spirit of the question. Ex. on the bra size question, I took myself down 1 point because I’ve had a couple kids which has affected my breasts. IOW, I interpreted the question to be about overall breast appearance, and mine will never be the same after 2 pregnancies.
On the question about asking people if they are alright and trying to help them if they’re hurt, I do it more than occasionally, but not always. Some people get embarrassed if you draw attention to it when they’ve been clumsy and gotten injured, so I tend ask and try to help if I know them enough to be sure they’ll be OK with it. I gave myself the +1 score on that because the intent of the question seemed to be assessing if the woman has a caring nature.
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I should have mentioned that I got +10 for my BMI, so a huge boost there. Women who pretend that girls with a normal, healthy weight are “anorexic” and men really want “curvy” (read: FAT) women instead are in such denial about their weight problem. I think it was right for this to be rated so highly in the test. Especially since it helped me so much. 🙂
Some of this stuff would be different depending on which man’s preferences are being factored into the test. My husband would probably add about 5 points for long hair, to the middle of the back or longer. He’d add 1 point for NOT offering to pay half or all the bill on a first date, another point for fuller breasts above C cups (but not massive), and another 3 or 4 points for intelligence (as long as it isn’t used to make other people feel inferior). He’d also rate the age categories differently, so I’d get 1 point there, instead of 0. I still wouldn’t get full points for age though like I would have in the early years of our marriage. He’d add in a few points for not being immature too, because he can’t stand that.
IOW, on my husband’s test, I’d be an alpha, instead of a greater beta. That’s awesome for me, since he’s the most important man for me to attract anyway.
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BTW, for anyone wondering, even though I know my husband pretty well, I asked him in a casual, non-pushy way to verify his preferences. I wanted to find out as accurately as possible where I would rank if he did a test like this. After all, it’s important to know this so I know how to keep him attracted.
Maybe to be sure I should get him drunk to disengage his brain-to-mouth filter, then ask again. 🙂
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OK so I’m -3 and I guess I better work hard on my marriage because if it were to end tomorrow all I can hope for at my age is one night stands – if I chose to dress like a whore. Wow.
[heartiste: not necessarily. you might be able to get into another relationship with a man, as long as you lowered your standards sufficiently.]
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Heartiste: I only have a few standards – not butt ugly, fat or bald; employed, intelligent, can get it up, not a druggy, abuser, murderer or child molester. On these standards I will never compromise.
[heartiste: depending on your degree of deterioration, your lack of compromise on even these low-ish standards may consign you to die alone and unloved.]
If it comes to that they make extremely realistic dildos and vibrators these days.
[many low value men do the same by turning to porn and hookers.]
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I will take my results to mean my genetic line ends with me. Here’s to a future with cats, alcohol and thank my lucky beans for the ability to re-read the 14th Commandment on Thursday nights by the glow of my computer monitor.
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You think my standards are low? LOL. I think I’ll be able to keep my standards. As a black lady who has lived clean I have almost no deterioration. Not a wrinkle in 40 plus years, firm flesh, a proportional hour glass figure and great boobs and calves.
I am not Halle Berry, but I’m pretty if the men trying to hit on me all the time are any indication. I am not “invisible” like most women this age and I make the most of my looks with clothes, hair and makeup. I also managed to snag a much younger male as a husband at 40.
I feel like I should have scored higher on your test, but some of those questions are hard to gauge. And you took off a lot of points for being 40+ and I don’t think that applies as much for women of color, especially those of us with smooth dark skin.
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I would like to point out there should be a category giving minus points if you have what may be seen as an intimidating job. I should receive minus points for being a young (25) junior doctor, I suppose this could go hand in hand with IQ above what is acceptable for a pretty lil thing. I find when a man comes up to me in a bar and I tell them I’m a doctor, it would seem their penis shrinks to the point of actual inversion. However, when I tell them I’m a beautician/air stewardess/nurse (god no, I’ve never stooped this low), BAM, never fails. I think this test is pretty spot on. Except for the BMI, I’ve a BMI of 22 and deserve a better mark as my D breasts contain naturally a higher proportion of fatty tissue than the borderline anorexic with BMI 17.5
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PUAs are raging faggots
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I scored minus four. I’d be shattered, but thankfully I’d already written myself off the dating market. Boys who ask me out usually only want sex and are always emotionally unstable, no matter how good looking and personable they first appear. I put approaching me down to their desperation and low self esteem. I can’t imagine why else they would bother. I’m tall, but 15kg over my ideal weight and intimidate boys if I don’t lie about myself. Which means dating gets boring very quickly. I generally dumb my mensa level IQ right down, hide that I’m doing postgrad degree and glaze over my job. Which is hard because I’m an exec with a huge company and my hours can get a little demanding when there’s a huge project on. Guys check me out all the time and I can generally get them to do things got me, but that’s only because I’m 21 and blonde with huge boobs. I’m really lucky to have a career to focus on and an overactive and fulfilling social life, because no decent boy would ever date someone like me.
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Scored 33. Where are all the guys promised in the result?
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25. Greater Beta. I don’t get a lot of male attention because I’m fat, but I’m not complaining just steadily losing weight..
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“I hope everyone noticed what was missing from this test:
Your job.
The amount of money you make.
Your accomplishments.
Your social status and number of friends.
Your deep and profound worldview.”
This is missing but IQ is not missing? IQ will be correlated to all of the above.
Besides men stick like glue to socially alluring females – the more friends you have the more sucesfull you will be in your job/love etc. Emotional Intelligence more important than IQ.
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“Besides men stick like glue to socially alluring females ”
Classic case of projection. Or maybe you misspelled “hot and sexy”.
Please refrain from commenting until you read the archives and raise your iq by a dozen points.
Because you sound really, really dumb.
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Oh I feel so insulted because some idiot on the internet called me dumb, what am I to do now? Go on youtube and cry?
I didn’t misspell anything. If you have two attractive females but one is shy and another is self confident the self-confident one will have 100% more male attention. Conficence in own sexappeal is works as an aphrodisiac. Every teenage gril know this or learns it the hard way …
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no, anon’s right.
in your example, you made the two females equally attractive. so of course the more confident one would get more attention. on the other hand, if the shy one were hot and the confident one were average or ugly, who do you think would get all the attention from guys?
‘hot and sexy’ trumps ‘social allure’.
Conficence in own sexappeal is works as an aphrodisiac
for women, only if said sex appeal actually exists. this existence is determined by men, not oneself. a fat ugly warpig who thinks she’s sexy is about as far from an aprodisiac as you can get.
on the other hand, male confidence and even overconfidence is viscerally attractive to women.
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My purpose was not to insult you (maybe juuuust a little bit), but mainly to state facts.
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Oh, the comments in this post about the IQ points are priceless…
Look, I’m female, I’ve got a 136 IQ, and I completely understand that this does not make me appealing to the average guy. I run into problems with this constantly. It makes me intially interesting, but ultimately undesireable. Which is completely understandable, and I don’t hold it against anyone.
An IQ in that 130+ range affect everything; personality, behavior, thought patterns, emotional maturity, the way you perceive the world, how you talk about things… everything. Gifted people are odd, especially those who never taught themselves how to function on a “normal” level in casual interactions. A highly intelligent woman might not have the same set of reactions to things that most women would, or be bothered by things that wouldn’t bother a woman of average intelligence, or have tics/habits/fixations that most women wouldn’t, and so on. Anybody who legitimately IS in this range has probably had their moments of frustration with relating to the rest of the world, just as the rest of the world has those moments in relating to them.
This carries over into relationships, too. How could it not? Most men are of average intelligence. It would never work for them to be in a LTR with a woman of abnormally high intelligence. I’ve tried. They just get confused, and I just get bored. Not worth it for either party. It takes an older alpha who expressly does not give a crap because he likes other things about her and is willing to indulge her little eccentricities, or a beta who’s on the same scale, intelligence-wise, and understands where she’s coming from, to make a relationship work out for women in this range.
(Anyone who disagrees with this needs to shut up, stop thinking her post-grad degree correlates to anything other than her ability to put up with academic BS, and get her IQ tested for real.)
I’m sure most of the other things still apply to smart girls who want to date smart guys, though. So hooray, at least I still made greater beta, which means I should hopefully be able to get a non-dysfunctional beta man, right? I am wondering, though, if I get more or less points for being a redhead…
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A woman needs someone someone smarter. Not necessaily a smarter beta or an older man.
An alpha smarter than you will rock your world. There is a bunch of them in the 140+ IQ.
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Do you shave your bush?
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Ah yes, that question. My skin’s too sensitive to take shaving, my hair’s too light for laser treatments, so I usually stick to waxing…
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I’m curious how you would go about incorporateing the “missing” elements into this Dating Value Test.
You pointed out that a woman’s job, salary, accomplishments, social status/number of friends, and her deep and profound worldview were not included. From a male perspective, would you say that having a high status job, or being a doctor, or a lawyer, etc. would be a plus for men or a negative? Would a large salary (even larger than the mans) be a plus or a negative? Same for: accomplishments, social status/number of friends, and deep and profound worldview.
I’m curious to hear your take on these. Thanks.
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Uppity is never sexy. So female accomplishments are negative as that’s what accomplishments always lead to for a woman’s pysche
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I agree, anything notably high in status would be negative, if not a given. Men judge women mostly on their looks
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Depends on the achievement/occupation. Bear in mind that many corporate fields and public sector fields embrace affirmative action and give huge advantages to women employees, which hardly fills men with joy. I think a woman who works hard in feminine roles (helping people) is very attractive. I’m personally attracted more strongly to women who work with animals, nurses, charity workers, that sort. It shows a kind and feminine heart.
I find corporate high-flyers, lawyers and bureaucrats to be a huge turn off. A woman’s earnings are irrelevant so long as she is decently independent and not constantly begging for money. I wouldn’t say high earnings is a turn-off, but if a woman tries too hard to play the male breadwinner role, it might be.
Number of friends doesn’t matter. Women always have more friends anyway since they are herd creatures whereas men are more lone predators, part of the reason why women are addicted to facebook. A woman who is popular but doesn’t bitch or gossip is desirable. Shy girls are popular to some guys too.
Worldview, I think women tend to be more lefty than men, which can be a turn off. Men are competitive and more objectivist. If a woman is too into her “equality”, “diversity” and feminism then it can become grating. Men don’t like women who are vacuous though, it’s nice to have some opinions, just not infantile ones.
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There’s one HUGE factor missing from the quiz – How many sexual partners have you had? It doesn’t matter to me if a car is a 2012 Red Lamborghini Mucielago; if it has 987,000 miles on it, I don’t want it.
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This is a *sexual* market value test. It is not about value for LTR. Most men care about sexual partner count only for LTRs, and don’t care for purely sexual trysts.
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I disagree w/ “Casanova”. Much more important than exclusivity is how available a woman is to ME. There is no greater faithfulness than a woman who is always available to YOU – regardless of who else she might be sleeping with.
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anal is for whores, not for wives.
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I disagree, that’s basically asking for an early seven-year itch. Wives can learn/perform slutty acts, as long as they’re only with you. The marriage would get boring otherwise
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Judgmental much? Just because it’s not for you, doesn’t make a woman a whore if she chooses to engage in it.
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I really think that a woman’s personality matters quite a bit more than this test makes it out to be. I agree that physical state and age can very quickly kill a woman’s market value or add to it, but come on, most recent girls I’ve fallen for personality has played a big part, I mean they were also quite attractive but still.
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41 as is (48 if I lost 9 lbs!) 🙂
I’m 22, it makes me sad that I’m already losing points for my age… most people think I’m 17-18, does that count? ;p
Thanks for your honesty in creating the test. Unfortunately, the cries of sexism aren’t too surprising… the IDEAL woman is very young, slender, a freak in the sheets, and super feminine? Who knew?!?
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A woman’s charm is very important. I got a laugh out of the “cutie vs butch” photo.
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I kinda think that height and lack of good looks maybe should count for more than just one point. Maybe 2-3.
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Your ideal mate is pretty (kind of jackieO fish eyes pretty, but still), slender and young, makes sense, but she is also seriously full of condraddictions…
adores sex, but think small penises are fantastic; always picks-up the check but doesn’t have the intelligence to get a high paying job, is overly nice to absolutely everyone, doesn’t swear and helps everyone in need but she’s supposed to be into politically incorrect crass humour such as yours. If this woman was a fictional charcater, she would be a very badly written one.
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Good luck ever finding a decent man if you are that clueless. I’ll toss you a rope. Men like a woman is kinky in the bedroom and a lady in public, that should be obvious. Men want a woman who is not openly derogatory towards genetic “faults”; it could be a small penis, an ugly patch of hair on the back etc, it shows a lack of class. Men like a woman who splits the cheque for a bunch of reasons, mainly that it’s just fair in this day and age when women earn plenty of money and women sometimes use dates as free meals. Men want a woman intelligent enough to be politically-incorrect and intelligent enough to have a vocabulary that doesn’t only include slang and swearing.
Hope you finally understand men better now.
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Yeah, fuck off. It’s all right for men to scrutinize how far apart a woman’s fucking eyes are, but if she comments on his bald patch she’s not worth a dime? Sounds like someone was just dumped. Prick.
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Wowie! I started with a -10 because of my age and ended up with -3. Nothing to brag about and lot’s of room for improvement!! 😉
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um where do 38 year old virgins fit? Are you saying unless I’m willing to give up my v-card I’ll never be a woman worth dating? With Morpheus it’s either red or blue. Well, I demand a THIRD pill!
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Find a 55 year old widower to marry and you should be good
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I answered all the questions wrong just for shits and giggles. I AM SPAWN OF SATAN FEAR ME 😀
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Enjoy.
Her name is Catrinel Menghia.
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What do I care about being a “lesser Beta” ??? I’m engaged to a wonderful Beta man who wants to make me happy and I love it. I love him. I feel like the luckiest woman in the world. PS It really looks like the majority of men and women aren’t worthwhile in your book and that even some hollywood stars don’t rate. whatever!
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You need a section with cooking and other domestic abilities. That boosted my wife’s SMV a point and a half.
I’d take 20% less sex to eat like a king in his immaculately clean castle
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Actually, there are a few things missing. Teeth – smile. Having a nice rack of teeth does boost your attractiveness. Length of hair might also factor in. Curly vs. straight hair. Color of eyes. Oh well, asking for an “ideal test” just isn’t going to happen because beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Any girl who would fall for PUA crap probably doesn’t have much self-respect. Have fun, be safe, and stay faithful to someone who is worthwhile on this inside.
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Any male over the age of 30 who still has a sexual interest in teenage girls needs to find himself a good psychiatrist.
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All men over the age of 30 still have sexual interest in teenage girls.
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:-0
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Nope.
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25-30 is when a woman’s stock is highest. You’ve got the pick of the litter at your age.
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This is disgusting. That any individual woman can be ranked according to some universal standards to appease THE ONE MAN WHO NADE THIS is appalling. Do not pay any attention to this.
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1. How old are you?
21 to 25 years old: +8 points
2. How important is makeup to your appearance?
I look like a different woman with makeup: -1 point
3. What is your IQ? (This relates tangentially to your ability to connect emotionally with a man.)
121 to 145: 0 points < lol I wouldn't put this in; makes it sound like men are all idiots 0_0
The following ten questions deal with the physical attractiveness of your body.
4. Your breast size is:
B cup: 0 points
5. Your breasts look firm and pert when you wear:
Nothing: +1 point
6. How long are your legs in relation to your height?
Long: +1 point – Actually, I don't know. But I don't go round staring at my legs because I do not own a full-length mirror, only a half-length
7. What is the shape of your ass?
Round and fleshy: +1 point – Not sure if it's round though; see above.
8. How flat is your stomach?
Slight pouch: 0 points
9. How toned are your upper arms?
Very toned, I can see my triceps: +1 point
10. How big are your hands?
Delicate piano fingers, proportionally small: +1 point
Manhands: -1 point
Kinda a bit of both
11. Where is there hair on your body?
I have dark forearm hair and a mustache: -1 point
12. Get a tape ruler and measure around your waist and your hips. Divide your waist number by your hip number. This ratio is:
0.65 to 0.75: +1 point
13. What is your BMI?
Can;t be arsed; I know my BMI is fine; I was just underweight last time I checked.
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how pretty are you?
Your heterosexual male friends who would sleep with you given the chance. < I don't have any such friends
I don't knwo, when I walk down the street I notice guys looking at me. But only if I'm dressed up. Otherwise, they don't give a shit.
15. How clear is your skin?
Some combination of the above: -1 point
16. Do you have any noticeable deformities?
No: 0 points
17. How full are your lips?
Juicily plump: +1 point , Hell to the yes, one of the few things I got complimented on as a kid. (I was a poor kid)
18. How high is your forehead?
High? I don't know. The fuck o_o
19. How long is your jawline from ear to chin?
Short
20. How big is your chin?
Small: +1 point
21. How big is your nose?
Small: +1 point
22. In proportion to the size of your face, are your eyes:
They're both large and small -_- I'm half-Japanese
23. Is the distance between your eyes:
Average, I think
24. You frequently wear sexy lingerie, even when not prepping for a hot date.
Yes: +1 point
25. When someone gets hurt you are the first to ask if they are OK and to deliver aid if needed.
Occasionally: 0 points
26. You are highly competitive and often play co-ed team sports.
I’m competitive with other girls, but not guys: 0 points
27. When a guy approaches you in a bar, regardless of your attraction for him, you:
Suss him out. If he looks weird, I ain't gonna smile at him. (I just stare instead, that tends to make them unconformtable. Unless he's a nice guy in which case I try to make him laugh).
28. On a first date the check arrives for dinner and drinks. You:
Smile and thank the guy when he pays for the check: 0 points
29. You are about to have sex with a guy for the first time. He undresses and his penis is small. Do you:
Feel awkward. – yes. wonder why i'm having sex with him in the first place.
30. You think blowjobs are:
An obligation: 0 points
31. Do you do anal?
Only when I get really drunk: 0 points. < It gives me headaches.
32. The number of sex positions you have tried is:
Missionary and doggy style only: -1 point
33. How often do you curse?
I think I said damn once. – I lie all the time though ^^
34. You’d best describe your sense of fashion as:
I wear stylish clothing on weeknights and I can handle heels: +0.75 point
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heels over 3 inches ^ why would I need to wear those? How short do you think I am? Jesus.
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I’m not sure about the waist thing; I know I have a slim waist because I wore too many too tight skirts during high school.l don’t even own a fucking tape measure; what do you think i am, a seamstress!??
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well, that was fun, if vaguely depressing | forever alone | T_T
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why do I feel like the only reason you put this up is to make people feel insecure about themselves? you’re one strange person…
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Heartiste, According to Dating Market Value Test For Women:
“30. You think blowjobs are:
Great! You give them spontaneously and there’s never any doubt how much you enjoy it: +1 point
31. Do you do anal?
Yes, and it makes me come to know how much it pleases my man: +1 point”
You are wrong because:
1- Anal sex is uncommon in the general heterosexual community (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, & Michaels, 1994).
2- Women inclined toward greater promiscuity and most of promiscuous women tend to have higher testosterone levels (Cashdan, 1995; van Anders, Hamilton, & Watson, 2007) and a more masculine physical appearance than controls (Mikach & Bailey, 1999; Ostovich & Sabini, 2004).
3- Therefore, most beautiful feminine women are less willing to participate in sex acts as fellatio, anal sex or facial eyaculation.
Even if we assume that you could find a gorgeous feminine woman with a high sex drive, testosterone or other hormone levels are not the only factors affecting sex drive. There are many other factors. If libido increases with higher levels of testosterone, factor 1, factor 2, …, factor n, then you can have high libido with low testosterone levels if other factors are present at high levels.
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Incorrect synthesis to #3, idiot.
More beautiful feminine women reduce their willingness participate in sexual activities only with a high number of partners or outside of relationships.
However, in the context of a relationship, particularly with an attractive male partner who desires varied sexual activities, beautiful women are highly willing to engage in such activities.
Don’t make up shit you know nothing about.
McClintock, E.A (2011). Handsome wants as handsome does: Physical attractiveness and gender differences in revealed sexual preferences. Biodemography and Social Biology, 57(2), 221-257. doi: 10.1080/19485565.2011.615172
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17 to 20 years old: +10 points
Why?
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Heartiste has a good run-down on the vicious effects of aging post-college.
Look at the Facebook photos of women you know. Look at the photos of them from college (18-21 years old). Then look at the photos of the girls as they age.
Notice the belly pouches, less lustrous hair, face wrinkles, fat arms, cellulite thighs.
As they hit their early 30s, some make a last grasp of being pumas and cougars. The prime years of physical beauty and fertility is the college years.
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In response to all the silly folks claiming a BMI less than 18.5 is underweight, sickly, anorexic etc…you’re wrong, plain and simple. I’m “underweight” and built like Victoria’s Secret model Candice Swanepoel but with bigger boobs. I’m healthy and sexy and just happen to have a small frame and two skinny parents.
So before you go accusing some Internet rando of being a misogynistic asshole, maybe take a look in the mirror first.
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18.5 is perfectly healthy as most men know. The only people who dispute this are those revisionists who want to keep lowering benchmarks so that “average” becomes the new “normal”.
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I agree. Especially if you are model tall. I’m tall so my bmi wants me at a 140 or 150 to be healthy! Are you fucking kidding me? Do they know how big and gross I would look at that weight? Ew!
120 is fine for a 5’10” woman no matter what that stupid chart says
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Yeah, I’ll bet you do.
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How the fuck is this not misogynistic?
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Misogyny is the hatred of women.
How is saying that slimmer women are prettier hating all of woman kind?
The correct answer is it’s not.
Slinging around a word and then linking to every behavior you don’t like is the actions of a simpleton.
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American females hit the wall at age 16
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If you are interested in getting married, you need to be well aware of the fact that you are probably most attractive sometime in your mid- to late-twenties. This means that your mid- to late-twenties are the years in which you are most likely to attract the highest quality man you can get
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Goodness, this is incredibly precise! It’s also rather quite superficial, but I get the gist that you’re rather unapologetic for that.
I did appreciate your inclusion of hip-to-waist ratio and facial features—they’re huge indicators of fertility! However, I recommend adding facial symmetry and sheen of hair (indicators of healthy genetics), whether or not the woman monitors her ovulatory peak (both strippers and waitresses earn twice as much money during the days surrounding ovulation), and if she is on birth control (this would be a negative, as it inhibits a woman’s ability to smell a mate with a different enough genetic code).
Additionally, your “market” is quite limited. Many of the items you’re allotting points to are preferential (e.g. breast size). Continuously, you’re using a monocultural view. In many societies, a higher BMI level is preferable, because it’s an indicator of sustainability and wealth.
Alright, I’ve said my bit.
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Feminist myth. I’ve travelled a lot and a preference for lean petite women is fairly universal. In fact the only times I’ve seen a genuine preference for larger women is when I was visiting the USA. In much of Asia it would bring shame on a family to have a fat daughter since it shows poor parenting and obviously since a woman’s value is largely based on her appearance, it means the family has a smaller chance of finding a suitable partner for her.
Maybe in a few decades women will overcome all this feminist garbage brainwashing.
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In fact the only times I’ve seen a genuine
preferencetolerance for larger women is when I was visiting the USA.FTFY
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Actually, in European Latin countries, you can find a significant general preference for heavier body types. Heavier,not heavy: scarlett joahnson type over model type, a bmi of 22 over one of 17. Paradoxically, those are the “thinnest” (and least feminist) western countries there are.
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Interesting. So basically, I am my own worst enemy. That is what this “test” is saying. I have fair enough looks, body and drive. I am a good, decent person, educated smart but not a member of mensa, I get along great with men, but, because of the way I portray myself sexually I end up in the hump and dump category – even if it takes 8 months to get the dump, then there are the ones you get humped and dumped by for over a decade.
I can change that. I was born with the goods, I’m just not using them appropriately…fascinating.
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I am 45. I took myself off the dating market 10 years ago. I love cats. I have four. Being sexually desired is not the greatest thing in the world. The sun is shinning. Life is short. Guys, I am glad you don’t want to fuck me anymore.
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C; on behalf of all men everywhere, I’d like to thank you for doing all of us a massive favour.
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Haha I was going to comment the same thing. It’s a strange female defence mechanism that when they feel uncompetitive they will pretend to rise above the competition. Classic example being all the “fat is beautiful” women falling over themselves to get gastric bypasses.
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A 15 yo gets more points than a 26 yo?
U freaks!
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You’re a fucking chauvinist idiot, and not that far away from being a pedophile either. No I consider my job/future career and stuff to be more important than making sure I don’t develop myself mentally or physically “too much” for your liking.
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Spin, spinster hamster, spin!
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Bitter much? From the questions you ask, I have to assume that you have a small penis & that women you have managed to get into your bed have laughed at you. Yep, “Fragile ego”!
Me? I’ve been married for almost twenty years, & even tho’ we hang with a poly crowd, my husband refuses to join them. Guess that says more than this ridiculous test ever could.
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Ah, bitter feminist retort #14:
“I don’t like hearing the truth about me, so you have a small pee-pee!!!”
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Hilarious how many women are lying about their scores. Subtract at least 20 for a more realistic appraisal.
Also, it’s interesting to read the fatties complaining about BMI. Personally I think BMI is a crap system; if your bodyfat is higher than 22% or so, you are fat. Under 20% is ideal for a woman. Very few Asian women have a bf% higher than 20 which is why they are superior to western women, aside from their obvious cultural values (being able to cook, understanding the feminine role).
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Why do you assume they’re lying? I get why youd think that about feminists but isnt it more likely women supportive of chs views would be hot?
Unless this is a neg, in which case I definitely fell for it haha
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Someone had the hots for Mrs Brady and has never been to Japan.
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heartiste.. are the waxing and makeup questions just about what we naturally require? cause if not, those choices seem limiting.
i don’t NEED to wax anything but my legs because my hair is thin and platinum blonde but if im with a man, i would always wax my pubes because i would feel unsanitary and gross with hair. so does that make me hotter or less hot than a woman who doesn’t have to shave and doesn’t?
i don’t need makeup, because i am very young and i never got acne, but i still wear a decent amount because i think it makes me look even better, and if th e celebrities guys swoon over benefit from it why shouldn’t i? so am i lower than a woman who wears less because a man doesn’t know exactly what he’s getting, or am I hotter because he will be pleasantly surprised and idont have to put in the effort but do?
Inquiring minds want to know!
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Also, you nailed it on the BMI! Anyone who complains is an angry fat girl, end of story. I am a 17 BMI and healthier than anyone I know with a “healthy” one
My friends and I find we all end up below a healthy BMI simply by eating well, exercising often and not being alcoholics like so many girls today. So stop accusing these guys of being pedophiles or into anorexic girls! I am not anorexic nor is anyone I know at my weight and you just sound bitter and self.loathing when you say that. So much for “body acceptance” lol when they act like you’re supposed to be ashamed of a thin body. I’d say any guy who preferred only girls of a “healthy” BMI is a guy who favors chunkballs. Nothing wrong with that I guess, more for him, but you need to accept these dudes aren’t the majority
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20 years ago I coined the phrase “I don’t date American Women” .. the responses by women here tell you why … now it’s ..in general .. “I dont communicate with American women” .. in general you American women are the worst blight on humanity..ever .. you have been completely programmed by 60 yrs of professional advertising to be nothing but societal vampires in almost every way imaginable..
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42-10=32, still NAF
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I tried to be as honest as possible, so for the ones I weren’t sure about, I gave myself the lower score, but wrote the better score next to it. My low end score was 37 and high end score was 50. I’m 25 y/o.
What I find funny is that women would find this site, which is mostly targeted toward men, and actually be angry with it or offended by it. If they disagree with it so much, why even bother reading let alone commenting? Oh right, because they must “have their say” in order to feel like they got a one-up in Mario. Although it sucks that men have generally become dissatisfied with women, the women who come across sites like this should use it to their advantage to better themselves and find a good, dominant man.
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What if you’re a virgin and you don’t believe in acting/dressing like a total tramp? Does that really lower your SMV? I’ve always thought that most men would want a virtuous wife. Also, don’t you think you should add extra points for being able to cook/bake/clean well? Alas, I’m not on the market, so I guess this doesn’t really matter.
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here’s an idea.
[Heartiste: We all wait with masturbated breath for your genius.]
let’s stop trying to compartmentalize human beings.
[Damn! Foiled again.]
why?because it doesnt fucking work.
[Actually it does. It sure helped the Allies when they compartmentalized the Nazis and Japs.]
humans are varied as hell so how can you know anything about a woman that swears or a man with “small” penis?
[You tell me. You seem to be the expert on men with small penises.]
oh and its not the size that counts its mostly how it is used and what leads up to it.
[Every fat chick’s epigraph.]
also,woman have varied erogenous zones.
[The vagina is located in the armpit? The moar u know…]
they are the same for some but you can “fail” with one woman,do the same thing with another and she’ll come buckets.
[Get away from me you lazy-eyed psycho.]
its a team effort,brah.
[You removed the tube before you pulled out the gerbil, didn’t you?]
also, i dont know about other women,but in my case, some days certain things work, other days they dont. like i said team effort.
[Women are interchangeable, especially the hot ones. Hope this hurts.]
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I’m in lower beta-area whether you reduce 10 from my score or not. I resemble the ugly girl in your picture A LOT! I could be her sister. I never realized i was ugly. I was bullied a lot by boys at school for being a lonely weirdo who never talked. How did I end up with an alpha male who is superior to me in every way. I often question is he settling for me because I am very easy and almost his sexslave-house maid. 😦
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Count your blessings and keep reading.
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well he will be able to find another one count your blessings
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I scored a 17 which pulled a snicker out of me, and now I think I know why no man ever speaks to me. Genetics sucks!
Oh well, back to real life I go haha.
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I scored a 36, subtracting the ten places me in the greater beta category, or so I humbly hope. Curiosity made me take this test… At 22, having grown up
quite a bit sheltered (Strict christian upbringing and all of that.) and not having any real dating experience since I was always cripplingly shy anyways… I don’t really know how to deal with men that approach me. It’s not up until about a year ago, after getting my first real job working in the medical field that I’ve started to really come out of my shell, allowing my personality to shine. Reading things off of this website has made me slightly paranoid at the very handsome men that approach me… It frightens me slight to think that all they want from me is a “Pump and dump?”…
My innocent naive ideals have yet to be fully crushed by the harsh realities of this world and I’m so afraid that one of these handsome “princes” are going to “game” me and shatter all of that… I thought I could do a bit of research to maybe help me recognize some of the signs that…that…. What? They don’t only want me for my body? I wonder if springing up that I’m a virgin would help me weed out the ones not looking or anything long term… How soon would be too soon to tell to save myself some hurt. So frustrating.
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Hymen pics or gtfo.
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aww the second virgin betty in the medical field
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Betty, I meant for my below response to be in reply to you. Apparently the “reply” button from email notifications doesn’t work so well. Anyhow, please see my response to you below.
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Betty: Like me, you took this “test” out of sheer curiosity. As such don’t allow the results to get under your skin… it is not designed to be favorable to women with high moral standards such as yourself.
Yes, unfortunately some men do look at women as a “Pump & Dump” opportunity, but don’t let that frighten you… just be more cautious knowing that bit of information.
Also, know that the real “princes” out there might not often seem super “handsome” before you really get a chance to know them. That old saying that beauty comes from within is definitely true. The men who have treated me best in my life and with whom I have enjoyed the best relationships began as friendships which later grew to something more. Of course I did not initially find them attractive, but after getting to know them they became some of the most attractive, handsome men I’ve ever known.
I would caution you to be careful about sharing with someone right away that you’re a virgin, as some of the jerks out there looking for a “Pump & Dump” would be elated to add a virgin to their list of conquests and would go to great lengths to accomplish that. As pitiful as that sounds, it is sadly true.
You sound like a real sweet person. Have fun and be careful. 😉
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This comment thread is like the Bakken Formation of schadenfreude. Seriously, the way it brings out the bitterness in the trolls is a joy to behold.
BTW, latest research on BMI suggests what’s been labeled “normal” is really into the “obese” category and that there’s nothing wrong with 17.5 the way some suggest.
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It is amazing to me how many people are feeding into this god awful test. If you really want to figure out your “market value” or find an explanation of why you are single, go see a counselor and work through some of your life choices there. You might be having trouble because you go after the wrong type of person, you put too much pressure on finding someone, you aren’t meeting people in the right settings, are too pessimistic, or any other number of things. There are plenty of people out there who value all sorts of body types, sexual preferences, etc. The world is a diverse place. This test tells you absolutely nothing and is only demeaning. Same goes for any male “market value” test. It’s unbelievable that people buy into this BS.
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My Hamster Translator sez: “Amber is fat”
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My score is 50
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This is fucking disgusting.
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Sorry dude, not everyone in the world plays by the same game you do. And no man can speak for all of us.
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It is amazing how many hangups people have about dating and sex. I’m nowhere near perfect but I am amazed at some of these comments. We shouldn’t rely on tests like this, but they can be fun and give us a general idea of where we are and maybe provide some motivation. People….don’t get too hung up on this stuff, enjoy life and try not to judge.
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Tattoos should cause a loss of beaucoup points.
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I am fine with sharing 99% of my DNA with chimps. Sharing 99.9% of it with the maker of this test … not so much.
Women: Please understand that this is one, deeply misogynist, attempt to define the ‘value’ of a date. Understand that the creator is not looking to relate to a ‘person’ – only an object. Don’t post your ‘scores’ here – if you’re buying into this premise, you are poisoning yourself.
Men: If you’re buying into this premise, you are hurting yourself, and others. You are limiting your ability to relate to human beings. Please grow up.
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You have a red equal sign gravatar? Fag.
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A 45, not bad. Lost quite a few points for not wearing “girly” clothes, but made up for it with the sex and personality. If I use this version of BMI, I need to lose about 10lbs…guess it’s time to get rid of the holiday/winter flab again, lol.
Overall this is a pretty good/fair test!
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As a man, I am disappointed that you don’t give points for hair’s length, small, pink nipples, or labia’s shape…
This is not a woman’s value test. This is a pornstar’s selection test. No offence to the actual pornstars who read this.
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The world really is a terrible place
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I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
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I scored “classic beta”.
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Some things you are saying are true, but overall, you’re a pretty retarded guy :))…
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This test is amazing, this is proof of everything I am many men find attractive. Women call the maker of this test what ever you want, but he is bang on target. I showed this to all my male friends this and they too agree, including one of my friends who is super alpha.
But just for the record, majority of guys are not that picky, I just want a woman who has a cutting board flat belly, long hair and not a bitch<– you cannot even call this superficial, because all these features are changeable.
Also if you still don't believe me, look at huge jackman's wife…total warpig, fat and disgusting, but would end up looking good if she dropped a few pounds.
Now women on the other hand, you guys are really superficial. I mean you discount and flat out reject a guy because he is 5'5. I mean that is the height of discrimination, that is like discriminating against a guy because he is Chinese, black or Indian or what ever race. Height, just like race, is not in a mans control.
But losing a few pounds and changing your attitude to be more feminine, perfectly in your control.
If you are a bitter fattie reading this, know one thing…YOU CAN CHANGE !! plus men are not as superficial as you women.
Women need to be less superficial.
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I am -48. Not fat, but I consider most people uglier than the woman on the 2nd picture and that’s why -12 points. She is plain, but symmetric, her nose, mouth and eyes are pretty, except manliness, her face doesn’t stand out with anything ugly.
-1 for every question about sex, because I am over 25yrs old virgin. Otherwise, I have never considered myself ugly and have only scientific interest in that, because dating is such an unoriginal mass produced activity and I have never wanted to put any objects in my vagina or anus. I’d rather die than have sex, even when I didn’t find myself ugly.
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This is hilarious…your site cracks me up normally.
But you made me really smile today. I took your test and lost huge amts of points starting w/my age (46). I was verrrry honest when answering the physical attributes questions because, as my friends know, no one knows my faults better than me.
Plus I was voted ugliest kid by the other kids in grade school 😀
At my late age, with serious flaws like a big nose, IQ not to your liking, etc…you jerks still rate me at just over 60. Thank you…all these years, when my family and especially ex’s said nice things, I’d sneer or laugh. And talked a lot about my faults (..still do, but finally get it when my bf says that it makes him feel like someone’s trashing something he values but he’s not allow to confront the “trasher”). Thank you for indicating that my loved ones, friends, even strangers are NOT always blowing smoke up my rear end or have some nefarious motives (this is how I percieve stranger’s compliments) and are trying to play me for a fool.
Either than that, I’m not gonna trash your site…what’s the point and exactly how would I benefit? I have a sneaking suspicion you couldn’t care less anyway. Just wanted to say thanks for such a weird, freaky source of affirmation…lol
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Plus I was voted ugliest kid by the other kids in grade school 😀
At my late age, with serious flaws like a big nose, IQ not to your liking, etc…you jerks still rate me at just over 60.
Don’t you mean minus 60?
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For guys: First, the only girls interested in what this sites advocate are definitely not the kind you want to date or marry, merely sleep with. So keep your goal in mind, whatever it may be.
Second, if you were really good you wouldn’t even be going to bars where all the STDs are, you’d be meeting people while doing your hobbies and in your every day life. I’ve picked up an enormous number of girls, but the only meaningful relationships I’ve had were either women I met in class or women I met through a common interest like a charity, intermural league, or through mutual friends.
But meeting people /|\ that way is risky because it opens you up to accidentally wanting to date someone. And that leaves us vulnerable. My personal belief is that the truest worth of a person lies in their courage.
Women don’t want assholes. Women want guys that aren’t afraid of them. How do you have a conversation otherwise?
Women who want guys with money are in an incredible minority. Women want guys who are interesting and on the same socio-economic trajectory (or higher) as they are, it’s a major major indication of shared values. If she’s a lawyer and you work at a gas station I wouldn’t call her a gold digger for shooting you down.
Finally, there is not a market for ‘men who hate women’. I’ve never met a woman who enjoyed misogyny. Not one. Perhaps the things in this site worked in high school, possibly into early college, but that’s for low-quality women that have a reason for low self esteem. After college these kinds of tactics are why you’re getting harshly shot down. And if you don’t think women can smell that rehearsed ‘pickup’ mentality/line by the time they’re done with school then you deserve everything you get.
For girls: Please excuse my misguided brethren. They’re apparently too stupid to learn this stuff on their own.
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A good article that I bet you will love
http://storyanswers.quora.com/How-do-boys-feel-about-girls-who-dont-expend-much-effort-on-appearances-e-g-clothes-makeup
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This is satire, right?
[CH: You wish.]
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I scored an 8- I mostly lost points for being old and chunky. I feel pretty okay, though…. maybe my priorities are fucked up. I’ve already been married and I didn’t care for it, so whoring around until I die kind of works for me. I mean, I already have my own house and shit, so…. I’m good. If this really is how men figure out who they want to date, I’m comfortable with that. I don’t see what the problem is, really. Of course men want to be with women they think are pretty. I thought that was a no-brainer. I like to Do It with men I think are attractive, so I guess it cuts both ways. Seems legit.
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This is an interesting take on assessing beauty, and I agree with most of your assesments. However, don’t put so much point value to BMI or at least loosen up on the stringent point system. It is a highly flawed method for determining healthy weight.
Me- 5’2″. I weigh 123 lbs. This would put me at a BMI of 22.5. I am a distance runner (20-25 miles/week) and I wear a size 4. I am incredibly muscular. Not bulky muscle, but lean runner muscle. My husband gets upset and people start to notice if I get below 120. According to BMI charts, I should weigh 110lbs to get to a 20 BMI. I would look like a holocaust victim at 110.
BMI doesn’t apply to people who are very fit or muscular. Consider that when you put so much point value on the “ideal” BMI and the follow ups (still “healthy” BMIs) are considerably lower in point value.
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It should be fudged for female athletes, although a lot of men seem to find female athletes a turn-off; hence the BMI range shown. Although, I personally am not turned off unless they use roids and give themselves a masculine build.
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I’m actually more attracted to the face on the right. It looks more feminine and interested in the world. I guess outer beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.
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I got a 54, regardless of all the cursing and the competitiveness. That’s just because you forgot to put a criterion for height in there, I would have lost 10 points.
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That’s because height is irrelevant in most cases.
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Not really.
Given everything else being the same,someone is much hotter at 5’8” than 5’3”. Being short sucks alo for girls.
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I guess it depends on the man. I personally agree with you that taller girls look better, but 1) they also prefer tall men, which limits the selection of men that will turn them on, and 2) a lot of guys seem to actually like short women. Some claim that it’s because they’re tighter, whereas tall girls tend toward the cavernous side. (Or maybe you’re right, and it’s sour grapes on the men’s part…)
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That doesn’t seem like something people consider while judging someone’s aesthetics. Taller girls don’t look ore beautiful or sexy per se, but they surely are more elegant and graceful and wear clothes much better.
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waitaminute, them females dont hit the wall b4 age 50??
i thought American women hit the wall at 25.
now i am really dazed & confused & need 2 take a nap
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I just came upon this website after getting sick and tired of looking at all the land whales walking among us… i agree with most of what you say and i’m a woman. I’ve had it with these lazy fucks making excuse after excuse.. took the test.. above 45, wonder if thats true? i lose alot of points for my age, 31.
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Land whales. LOL.
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So let me get this straight women rack up more points the closer we resemble a barbie doll but lose points of we laugh at your micropenis? Poor widdle neckbeard keep jacking off to porn
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The point is that women lose points when they have a bitchy attitude. And not liking a bitchy attitude is pretty much universal to all men, not just the tiny (heh) number with man-clits.
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Why do you get plus points for being underage? It seems to say more about the unusual sexual proclivities of whoever constructed this test than it does about a woman’s “market value”.
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Because biology and boners win over a stupid arbitrary “age of consent” set at 18.
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In many countries, a 15-year-old is legally a child, society has decided that that such young people are not capable of giving consent and so any sex adult has with the 15-year-old is essentially rape. It’s pretty unfortunate if that’s gets you hot.
As for boners and biology: A 15-year-old girl is not an adult physiologically by any stretch of the imagination! She may not have even started her period, her breasts have not finished growing and, generally, she does not have a woman’s body. Sexual attraction to such a young person is not indicative of healthy sexual desires.
For all of the macho-man nonsense that appears on this website and in these comments, I suspect that some of your would turn your attention to such young girls because their inexperience and naivity would make it easier for you to bully them, abuse them and treat them like trash. I’m sure it’s easier for you to feel like the big, strong manly man (that you clearly aren’t) by standing next to a child.
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In many countries, a 15-year-old is legally a child, society has decided that that such young people are not capable of giving consent and so any sex adult has with the 15-year-old is essentially rape. It’s pretty unfortunate if that’s gets you hot.
“Society has decided”, so therefore it should be accepted as gospel truth? In many countries, “society has” also “decided” that faggots poking each other in the ass should be given the same rights as married couples. As far as not giving “consent”, that’s horse hockey. They’re already screwing each other in high school, and even middle school.
As for boners and biology: A 15-year-old girl is not an adult physiologically by any stretch of the imagination! She may not have even started her period, her breasts have not finished growing and, generally, she does not have a woman’s body. Sexual attraction to such a young person is not indicative of healthy sexual desires.
You’re joking. Either that or you’re confusing a 15 year old girl with a 12 year old. Maybe you yourself took an overly long time to mature, and in that case, if confronted with your 15 year old self, I wouldn’t have felt anything.
For all of the macho-man nonsense that appears on this website and in these comments, I suspect that some of your would turn your attention to such young girls because their inexperience and naivity would make it easier for you to bully them, abuse them and treat them like trash. I’m sure it’s easier for you to feel like the big, strong manly man (that you clearly aren’t) by standing next to a child.
Feminist horse hockey from start to finish. No, rather, it’s because we don’t want to deal with bitter used-up old prunes such as yourself if we don’t have to.
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Here Lily. It’s a place where you and the other feminists can run free and chase squirrels and be as happy as a hog in shit.
http://Www.manboobz.com
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Tell that to 16 And Pregnant
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I more or less agree with you that 15-year olds aren’t adults, and that a person with healthy sexual desires shouldn’t be attracted to them in more than a passing way. I have no interest in 15-year olds myself. Having said that, there’s nothing wrong with preferring youth, inexperience and naivety *in adults*. Attraction to very young adults (18-23) is not unhealthy or unnatural, and shouldn’t be frowned upon, and yes, part of what makes people attractive in that age range is innocence, naivety, and the sense of a life full of possibilities.
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Please excuse typos and missing words, it’s partly because I’m typing on my new phone and partly because I’m not used to having to confront someone with a penchant for ephebophilia.
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All men have “a penchant for ephebophilia.” Are you new here?
Shaming tactics aside, yes men are attracted to “inexperience and naivety” — which used to be known as simple “innocence.” And it’s not just the men who aren’t strong enough to handle a real woman. When we don’t feel protective of the innocent, we want to be their spoilers. At the same time, we don’t want to devour a dish that is unpalatably underdone. And thusly does the world go round, feminist redefinitions of eternal truths notwithstanding.
Your attempt to locate the full blame for indulging this most natural of impulses in men — rather than the girls and mothers who want to advertise the sexual availability of adolescents but without the dangerous consequences, such as putting the word “JUICY” on a 15-year-old ass — is preposterous and unacceptable cryptofeminism.
Yes, predators like em young because youth is easily manipulated. This is why girls need fathers (GO FIGURE). But all men like youth because it is unsoiled and full of possibility, and this has nothing to do with any concocted “-philia” you want to drag out of the leftwing cultural shamebook.
Matt
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Yeah, that post of hers was rather feminist in nature sounding…
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People, this the old nature vs nurture / strenght of our cultural superstructures debate,it’s not like, apllied to this subject, it’s going to bring you anywhere productive.
Nurture girl: older teenagers can get pregnant and have boobs,most men are going to be into those boobs, deal with it.
Nature guy, we live in a structured society built around a social contract which informs our feelings, maturity and perception of right and wrong by a large degree, deal with that.
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“Nature guy, we live in a structured society built around a social contract which informs our feelings, maturity and perception of right and wrong by a large degree, deal with that.”
So, this social contract informs our feelings, maturity, and perception of right and wrong.
Anyone else not know what the fuck this means?
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Well, you can always google it.
Or go back in time and not fall asleep when they explained contractualism in your school.
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Lulz don’t be a faggot.
Take the sand out of your vag.
Say what you’re trying to say.
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What Giulia means is that basically, since Western civilization threw out the Catholic Church and all other divine restraints on human greed, emotions, and stupidity, society is now meant to be ruled by consensus driven by human greed, emotions, and stupidity.
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What is your point? You are not being clear.
We are talking about an incongruity in the law vis-à-vis nature. It is not some age-old chicken-or-the-egg conundrum that will never be solved. This is about the practical application of an unsustainable statute based on a deliberate, feminist misreading of nature.
Age of consent laws are designed to destroy the prerogatives of fatherhood. They want to replace manly protectiveness with the legal code (to the point that the “legal” in a general phrase like “barely legal” or “she’s legal” or the very word “statutory” has become the synecdoche for only one particular statute among thousands, the one involving female age of consent).
Rather than “chicken or the egg,” try “having her cake and eating it too.” In other words, feminists want to be able to dress their girls like they are sexually available and then use the law against everyone who responds to that availability. It is the same kind of one-way double-standard that makes such a joke out of “sexual harassment” law: women can flirt and dress however they please; men can’t respond and must walk on egg shells. How dare you say that a woman in tight short attire and heavy make up was “asking for it”?!?
Further, feminists have deconstructed the natural authority of men in these situations, thinking the paternalism of the law will avail them in every personal circumstance. When fathers were allowed to be overprotective of their girls, there was far less predation. Now that policemen and judges have to substitute natural protectiveness with the blunt instruments of legalisms and birthdays and timetables, it’s open season on female innocence.
Matt
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Actually,there’s nothing natural about fathers protecting their adolescent daughters from sexual predators: in nature,it’s mostly the mother being protective of her cubs(the father leaves to go impregnate someone else) and she only is until before they reach puberty. What you’re talking about is a human cultural superstructure; a superstructure that has been in place for a long time, but still,wonderfully cultural.
The age of consent is a line that can’t help but being arbitrary, but has to be drawn somewhere. It’s the same for voting, driving, drinking (do we want to talk about how ridiculous that one is?). The government substituting its authority from that of clans, villages or single families and fathers has been going on for a long time,not just on this matter, but for just about everything, otherwise we’d live in anarchy.
About sexual harassment, again, your laws as far as I know, can be pretty excessive, if it is true that you can’t politely flirt with someone without being sent to human resources, but it is pretty civil not being allowed to grab someone’s ass in the hallway or tread sexual favours with a promotion, however people are dressed. Don’t confuse provocative clothes for availability to everyone; people dress tacky for a variety of reasons: working-class background, fashions and fads,or maybe simply to impress a particular person that is not you. Meaning: maybe she was asking for it, but she wasn’t asking you.
On top of that, as far I know, anglo-saxon feminists, which I have many problems with, criticize the sexualization of young girls all the time, they don’t promote it at all, so fail on the cake eating.
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I’m really sorry, Matthew King, I was typing on my phone and there were lots of spelling mistakes and missing words. Because of my typographical errors (and annoying phone) maybe I was not particularly clear about what I meant. My point was not that certain men prefer inexperience and naivety, my point was that certain men preferred inexperience and naivety *because* it makes it easier for them to bully and mistreat a girl. My point was not necessarily about sexual experience, but general maturity and life experience. For example, a 23-year-old woman could still be a virgin and sexually inexperienced but she is far more mature and experienced than a 15-year-old girl. The 23-year-old has probably cottoned on to the fact that shlubby, unfortunate men like to insult women in order to undermine a woman’s self esteem and make her feel grateful for his (otherwise wildly unimpressive and underwhelming) romantic and sexual advances.
And no, corvinus, a 15-year-old girl is not biologically an adult, she has not finished growing and she does not have a woman’s body. If some dirty, dark part of the Internet is telling you otherwise… well, that’s probably because plenty of sex offenders and child molesters like to salve their consciences with convenient bullshit.
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Lily….you lecturing guys on what they find attractive is like a liberal trying to organize the defense of a national border. There is no way you have any idea what you are talking about.
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There is no way you have any idea what you are talking about.
That’s never stopped her before.
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And no, corvinus, a 15-year-old girl is not biologically an adult, she has not finished growing and she does not have a woman’s body. If some dirty, dark part of the Internet is telling you otherwise… well, that’s probably because plenty of sex offenders and child molesters like to salve their consciences with convenient bullshit.
FYI, I stay away from “dark part[s] of the Internet”. And quite frankly, associating normal men with creeps who diddle 11 year old boys and girls makes you a bitch. And maintaining that 17 year old girls, most of whom are already sleeping around with high school boys, can’t give consent, and are “children”, makes you a stupid bitch.
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Read this:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/scientific-evidence-that-men-dig-barely-legal-chicks/
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And that’s exactly the myth we are dispelling. Your picture of male sexuality is a tendency among an exceedingly small group of deviants (who are given disproportionate press to make the extremes appear common); they hang out in beat up vans with “free candy” spray painted on the side.
What we’re talking about is a universal phenomenon, which you cannot help but confuse for the deviancy. This confusion is deliberate, for political purposes. That political agenda is what we aim to destroy utterly.
The cover of “W” magazine does not come from “some dirty, dark part of the Internet”:
Ages 13 and 17. This phenomenon is everywhere, for a reason. Open your oprah eyes.
Matt
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They’re not particularly sexualized in that cover; glamourized at best. It mostly plays into the obsession with success at a very early age that your country has. That is more for the benefit of teenage girls and their mothers, than adult males. Also, the story of many similar starlets should show you that regarding teenagers as they were adults is not exactly in their best interest.
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I see. Let us busy ourselves splitting hairs between abstract principles like “sexualized” and “glamorized,” rather than admit the rank idiocy of arbitrary markers like birth dates.
Holy feminine selectiveness. What do you think we’ve been talking about?
Feminists believe they can present their children as adults, subtract fathers from the equation, and the arbitrary-statutory rape code will shield them from all ill-consequence.
So Elle Fanning, age 13, is presented as a mature woman to “play[] into the obsession with success at a very early age … more for the benefit of teenage girls and their mothers, than adult males.” But when an adult male mistakes her for sexually available and flirts with this girl who by every natural and deliberate sign appears to be a woman, he is the deviant?
You shrikes can’t even get your story straight long enough to be consistent from post to post. But since when did applied logic ever mean a thing to your political proscriptions?
Matt
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Giulia is either an ugly old bitter woman well past her sexual expiration date, a young disillusioned fatty, or one of those mangina lapdogs. I’m leaning towards lapdog though, the typing style shrieks of castration snark.
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I guess when could go on forever with the “I disagree with you, stranger on the internet therefore you’re fat/have a micropenis/have mummy issues/some random made-up insult”, but since we have managed to overgrow kindergarten age, let’s say we keep debating concepts, instead of imagining how ugly and fucked-up the people who disagree with us about something must be, okey-dockey?
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I never said the man in question was a deviant, I said he would be morally and ethically wrong to act on what (maybe rightfully so) is perceived as sexual availability. The impulse is not deviancy, it’s in fact pretty understandable, but we have impulses to beat up the people who piss us off all the time, it doesn’t make it right to act on it.
I find that culture problematic as well and even though I wouldn’t consider it a byproduct of anglo-saxon feminism so directly, I too agree that the ideal environment to grow-up is with two biological parents who love each other and you (duh).
Parents who push their young children into that environment and let them grow up that way are in wrong in my opinion, but so are the men who cross the line of fantasy with teenagers. Two wrongs don’t make a right, nobody is excused.
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Moralizing rationalization of backtracking?
Definitely a snarky lapdog.
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The point we’re trying to make, is that destroying men’s lives because they screwed up and had sex with “jailbait” (nubile 15-17 year old girls) and declaring them equivalent to child molesters — which is what Lily has done repeatedly — is also wrong. But this fact appears to completely go over your and Lily’s pea-sized brains.
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So now we split hairs between “deviant” and “not right.”
This method of weaseling oneself into the weeds of argument is such a common sophistry that there’s a name for it: casuistry.
Where did you learn your trade,
you stupid fucking cunt,
you idiot?
Who ever told you you could argue with men?
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This is why I stopped proper debating on this forum…
Matt King just gave (yet another) concrete example of totally destroying his opponent’s argument… yet opponent argues on or qualifies, remains unconvinced, and will no doubt be making the same argument in another thread months from now.
Better to either brutally mock or just ignore… especially when said opponent is the wimmens.
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You’re right. The more one demonstrates that they’re talking out of both sides of their mouth, the more one encourages them to start talking out of four sides of their mouth.
It is best to simply punch them in the mouth.
Pain is the most efficient medium of communication. Repetition bores and enervates the soul.
Lord, I have found worthy allies — true men. Now deliver unto me worthy enemies so I may struggle and slay them in your name.
Serviam,
Matthew
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Seriously, is there any way of deleting/changing the above comment from my account? Lily? lily?
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26 to 29 years old: +3 point
15 to 16 years old: +5 Points
What the hell? Must be something wrong with American women
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By the time they’re 26-29, the ones who are still single are Large and In Charge, if you catch my drift.
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thank gawd i live in europe
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“The point we’re trying to make, is that destroying men’s lives because they screwed up and had sex with “jailbait” (nubile 15-17 year old girls) and declaring them equivalent to child molesters — which is what Lily has done repeatedly — is also wrong. But this fact appears to completely go over your and Lily’s pea-sized brains.”
Are you people completely unable to have a conversation without insulting? It only only weakens your position and it’s very unpleasant.
You have to draw the line somewhere and the age consent at 18 is actually quite uncommon, but once that (obviously arbitrary) line is drawn it would be useless if there were not adequate legal and societal repercussions for breaking the law. I think the I think more flexible laws that take into account the specificity of circumstances, usually with regards to 16 and 17 y.o people, make more sense, but playing into the american obsession with taboo age age groups the way this blog does is surely not going to help those men who screw up, it’s just going to breed more of those men.
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That’s just like your opinion, man.
The Dude
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That’s just…pleonastic.
Of course it’s my opinion, I’m the one who wrote it down.
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Look brah, I’m gonna give you some advice. The guys here have seen your circular arguments all before and you know what? You restating them over and over doesn’t mean a goddamn thing. At the end of the day, dudes still wanna get laid. Your entry level rhetoric REEKS and I mean REEKS of education with no wisdom. Stick around and read some of the stuff here. You can get laid too.
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You know better than me that girls can have all the casual sex they wish, if they want to, without having to read a pseudo-manual blog.
It’s not so much circular as it is dialectic, if you pay attention you will see that all arguments include a consideration on the previous reply.
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Lulz dude lulz
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I think it’s trying to say it’s female?
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Yes, and stepping all over a classic in his rush to misunderstanding to boot. The Dude does not Abide with this one.
Shut the fuck up, Donny. You’re out of your element.
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Giulia, is this your homework?
Is this your homework, Guilia.
This is what happens when you fuck a stranger in the ass…
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Matt King, I don’t know if he’s even aware of the classic he is stepping over.
He’s like a child who wanders into a movie theatre…
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I know the movie; I don’t even dislike it (still I don’t understand how it became so iconic), but I dislike the mentality behind using that quote in the context of a debate, rather than as a response to an idiosyncratic threat (ei. I’m to lazy to actually think about the matter, I’ll just get out of it with an hipster quote) .
He could pull it off, not everyone can.
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Because this isn’t a debate. This is you arguing with reality, twisting words in typical progressive fashion in an attempt to poke holes in what was before the last three decades COMMON FREAKING KNOWLEDGE man. After Matt and Corvinus explain it over and over, you still barely see it. You’ve been educated to the point where you can see the wall because of the freestanding brick structure in front of you.
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Are you people completely unable to have a conversation without insulting?
It’s hard to put up with the same ol’ inane tripe year after year.
You fairy.
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Then, hunny, don’t.
It’s quite simple: if you can’t be civil because you’ve seen the same discussion go on before, don’t participate in any such exchange.
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Alas, roundly chastised… a lugubrious expression on my manly visage.
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quod erat demonstrandum
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Okay. Somewhere around the Lebowski exchange we crossed the point when the gang rape goes from fun to vaguely sad.
Still, you have to admire the troll motor on this one. Vrum vrum vrum TOOT TOOT vrum vrum vrum.
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Yeah, it’s time to put away the Big L…for now.
Have you seen that Joseph guys blog? The one on the other thread who deadlifts 310 lbs?! His blog has an entry on the moral and physical superiority of women….lulz
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Physiological in hostile territory.
Still think that movie is highly overrated.
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FINALLY. We’re getting somewhere.
Let’s talk a little more about hostility affects your physiology, baby doll. I can guarantee neither your physical nor psychological safety, but I can promise you will never forget me.
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http://thedesperadojournal.com/thedesperadojournal/Girlz_%26_Boyz.html. women don’t suffer from testosterone poisoning….lulz
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“So now we split hairs between “deviant” and “not right.”
This method of weaseling oneself into the weeds of argument is such a common sophistry that there’s a name for it: casuistry.
Where did you learn your trade,
you stupid fucking cunt,
you idiot?
Who ever told you you could argue with men?”
I think my dad did; but obviously those sort of comments are not offensive at all in this time and age, they’re just too vintage to be. You’re such an hipster, dear.
Deviant is very different from wrong; deviance implies a mental illness or an actual literal statistical deviance in a man’s impulses (such as lusting after pre-puberal kids), while this is simply an ethically and legally wrong behaviour, given our current culture where adolescents are still considered and treated as cubs.
HUGE difference. Really huge.
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How big are your tits?
Answer carefully, your response will determine whether our conversation can continue.
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Medium. I have no interest in denying the importance that the elements that make up beauty have in life, but this is just very unrelated.
I think that I’l survive if my boobs are too small for this conversation.
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A ha! on the contrary. Your boobs are quite intimately related to this matter.
I want you to get back to that headspace when you were sexually viable but still “illegal” in the eyes of the law. I want you to explore the sensations of how hostility all about you affects you physically.
I assure you, that is the key to this “dialectic.” Do you want synthesis or not, baby face?
Matt
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I think the way one experienced (or didn’t) an issue directly obviously informs their abstract opinion on it, but that cannot be analysed in this context and in a short period of time, aside from being hardly related to breast size.
I could ask you the same thing (not the size of your tits, your experience with the matter), but I don’t think we’d go anywhere before two years of time.
That headspace is very recent, I’m 18, but I didn’t grow up in a society where “jailbaitness” was even an issue: here, nobody cares from either point of view (the age of consent is 14 and there’s no obsession with underage girls; they’re still sexualized early from a “style” point of view, but there’s no huge taboo about it, maybe because they act older superficially, but they’re sexually conservative, maybe because the lack of a taboo makes the matter uninteresting), I only noticed I was meant to be asexual and unable to buy a beer when I spent a semester in the states last year.
To answer your question: I was almost untouched by the matter in my formative years, I dated a guy in his 20’s for two years, it wasn’t “forbidden fruit” and none cared.
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Here you assume that your credibility depends on the possession of large, gross udders. Medium will do fine. The personality of your breasts is quite relevant to this matter.
In fact, they are the key to this “dia-lectic.” Do you want syn-thesis or not, baby face?
We need to travel back to your illegal years. We need to concentrate on how hostility affects your “phys-iology” and phys-iognomy.
Matt
[Take-two hyphenated paraphrase to foil the random auto-moderation. That’s how important this conversation is.]
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Check back for devastating ripostes after CH returns from his honeymoon. Moderation hell.
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+1 on the “an” before haitch.
And for the record, that’s “hipster doofus”.
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She cockney, oi?
None of your reverse Pygmalion game here, and if you don’t like it, baby, I’m going across the street to Jerry Graff, period, fuck you.
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She italian.
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Deviant is very different from wrong; deviance implies a mental illness or an actual literal statistical deviance in a man’s impulses (such as lusting after pre-puberal kids), while this is simply an ethically and legally wrong behaviour, given our current culture where adolescents are still considered and treated as cubs.
HUGE difference. Really huge.
Finally, you’re starting to understand. Maybe.
Let me repeat:
The 18-as-age-of-consent laws, and Lily, treat “deviance” (lusting after children) and “wrong behavior” (sex with jailbait) as morally equal, and therefore, those who do have sex with jailbait are to be treated the same as child molesters.
Got it now?
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I never said I agreed with her, if you remember correctly my first comment specified that I had a problem with both the approaches that went in the debate between the two people I replied to. The “all nature” as much as the “all nurture” approach.
I don’t know what goes on in the states,but they’re not treated the same anywhere in Europe.
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Well, in the States, they are treated the same, all the time. People who think like Lily run the society. This is why I go with the “all nature” approach, since society is brain-dead half the time. Got it?
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As far as I know the most common age for consent is 16. Still, it doesn’t seem to me like most effective way to get problematic laws to change, it just makes you appear like hardcore essintialists you can’t find a compromise with.
I though agree that having the same type of sentences for pedophilia and statutory rape is quite absurd; they’re different crimes.
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This is not about what your process of hair-splitting yields, it is about the very attempt to split hairs on a subject that does not give itself over to quantitative precision.
This magical feminine thinking, which made you imagine that disinterested quantities can be substituted for human judgment among interested parties, is the issue at the heart of your inexhaustible girlish persistence in the wrong.
Now will you go to lunch?
Go to lunch.
Will you go to lunch?
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You’re confusing “hair-splitting”, with “I believe the truth lies in between those two very extremist points of view:all nature and all nurture”
Such a geek; I believe you people liked wild capitalism though.
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Speaking of all this “hair splitting,” what color is your hair, what length, and would it be indelicate to suggest we get down to splitting you with my big American cock?
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“Because this isn’t a debate. This is you arguing with reality, twisting words in typical progressive fashion in an attempt to poke holes in what was before the last three decades COMMON FREAKING KNOWLEDGE man. After Matt and Corvinus explain it over and over, you still barely see it. You’ve been educated to the point where you can see the wall because of the freestanding brick structure in front of you.”
Because calling what your personal opinion “treality” and calling arguing a point “explaining” is not a fallacious debate mechanism just as well, on top of disgustingly patronizing?
Common sense and knowledge change with culture changing,otherwise we’d be still be calling the earth being flat “common sense”.
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Look. Treality is treality.
You can lengthily argue till your face gets blue, but understand that your arguments are no more convincing than they are amateur. Questioning everything and never listening to the explanation… Matt and Corvinus have already answered your questions. My advice for you is to lurk moar and you may actually learn something.
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I red what they wrote,I agree with some points,while disagreeing with others,exactly as I have explained. I’m not getting why you’re whining.
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You go from talking synthesis and dialectic to retarded misspellings and typography. Is this a Flowers for Algernon situation? Or is your assistant on vacation?
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Now, THAT reference, I like.
I think I simply went from having the spell-check set-up in English to having in Italian and not caring.
Anyways, I will show you now, what happens when a semi-western country has at the same time the strongest traditional family values ever and the biggest obsession with the sexualization of teenage girls in Europe, enjoy:
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PS: My hair is pretty healthy, but If you can remove split-ends with your penis, I suggest trying to make money off that very unusual talent.
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Not exactly the same thing. In this case, it’s a fat so-so girl trying to sex herself up so a boy will want her.
And you are partially there, but you still don’t quite get it. So-called “statutory rape” as a crime is invalid, when involving 16- or 17-year-olds, and especially if the girls are not virgins. The whole idea behind so-called “statutory rape” is that the girl is a “child” who cannot give consent. By the time they’re 16, this is absolute horseshit. (I’ll concede to Lily about when they’re 15, although the whole idea behind the Mexican quinceañera is that a 15-year-old girl is now a woman!)
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Yikes. Now my image of you is of some chunky vain eurotrash preening all over the place.
The red patent leather covered platform pumps are good around the 10:00 mark, about the only thing to commend this video.
Matt
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“Common sense and knowledge change with culture changing,otherwise we’d be still be calling the earth being flat “common sense”.
Culture proceedeth from biological impulses. Untie your horse from the back of your cart and quit dragging him through the mud.
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Actually, the way we structured traditional families and marriages, monogamy and child rearing already pissed on our biological impulses long before women lib were even an issue.
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Who’s idea do you think it was to lock women down in marriages, sweetheart?
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I don’t know who’s idea historical processes are, they usually have causes, not ideologists.
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Let me rephrase. Why do you think marriage exists in the first place?
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It’s “ideologue,” ESL. HTH.
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If the question is “why the institution of marriage was invented?”. Probably to give tribes a structure, ensure a clean lineage: when tribes settled and invented the concept of ownership of land, this was the way to ensure a structured passage of property.
“why does it still exists?” I’d say because churches control gigantic sums of money and power and the only thing that still keeps the population interested in churches, since fear of hell is a bit out of date, is the institution of marriage.
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Marriage, while good for the other examples you gave, is best for controlling one thing. Female hypergamy. In the dark, unpolitically correct past common knowledgs dictated female sexuality needed to be controlled, lest we turn into a society exactly as you see today.
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Well, since women are the ones who get pregnant, ensuring a clear lineage is pretty much the same as saying “controlling female sexuality”, since the one sociological problem of female hypergamy is, in fact, it’s consequences on breeding and therefore the structure of a society.
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If you’re really a kid and writing in a second language, I give you great credit for performing well here, Giulia. You’re peppy and you’re wrong, but you’re young enough to be adjusted to the right without violence or (much) pain.
Now let’s talk about how he hurt you. Then we can get to correcting your errors. Do you have an open mind?
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I had to google peppy and I got an ugly bunny dressed like a superhero, try it.
I may easily be wrong, or partially wrong, also because I’m not all that knowledgeable of this academic debate to begin with, I started this discussion with a frivolous comment about the fact that the blogger forgot to mention height in his test, but I think I’ll hardly ever end up with your wolrdview on this matter, maybe a completely different one, but not yours.
I do have a relatively open mind, but I wasn’t hurt. He was a goon person, what we, in our side the world, call an honourable man, and I was lucky enough not to experience the bigger side of the pain of loss, because it happened that I was the one who stopped being in love first. I was sad and nostalgic, but I wasn’t hurt.
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I don’t use google.it. Next time try dictionary.com. Looking up a definition and finding yourself browsing magazine photos: how girly.
Of course you think this way, as young adults do, which will make your eventual enlightenment all the more exhilarating. The teacher-student relationship is essentially an erotic dynamic.
You are well spoken and can be a valuable contributor to the conversation. I have no problem with people who are misinformed, as long as their inexperience produces more eagerness than cynicism. Do comment on newer posts. Especially if you have a serious understanding of “dialectic” and your reference wasn’t an intellectual bluff.
Hover over my screen name and e-mail me.
Matt
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It helps, thanks, but above all, fuck wordreference.
Federica, obese, sad and tacky as she is, is the perfect example of what happens when someone with the mindset, the style and the background of a sicilian housewife is exposed to celebrity culture too early, which I believe is the point I was trying to make before.
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Giulia, it isn’t so much the paternity that is at stake as it is the steady supply of ass. You see, with hypergamy running unbridled the divorce rate sky rockets as women, being the cute little dingy flits that they are, will run into the street chasing a car irregardless of the consequences. Before you know shes splattered in the street, with 2 kids from seperate fathers, overweight, and probably working on a degree in womens studies at the local community college on the taxpayers tab. God bless the little creatures, they dont know what’s best for them.
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You do make several solid points. Your problem is connecting them to a coherent thesis.
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Interesting blog post. I am taking some of the comments to heart and not taking it too seriously.
Just a few thoughts, though.
One time at a party, a lot of guys were hitting on me (and anything else female—I don’t flatter myself that I’m that hot). I had my sketchpad with me and as a conversation piece, I’d show these guys my artwork. Most of them didn’t give a damn. That’s not why they were hitting on me! The ONE guy who actually took the time to look through the sketchbook, comment on it, and treat me like a human being, was the guy I decided was worth getting to know better. He also sat for me as I drew his portrait. I’m still friends with him. What a great guy.
Another thing: I’ve been through ugly phases and “cute” phases. (No, I am not hot, never will be!) I got treated like a subhuman by guys when I was ugly, and treated better when I was “cute.” What is my conclusion from this? I will forever be cautious around anyone who treats someone badly based on their looks. Even if it’s not me. A major turn-off. Reading some of the comments you guys have about uglies and fatties, it makes me wonder if this is how you talk in real life. Some of you are probably smart enough to keep it to yourselves in public, but based on my own experience, I’ll bet a lot of you don’t.
You guys don’t have to treat the ugly girl or the fattie like she’s a goddess. Hell, you don’t even have to talk to her if she’s not your type. But when you speak to her like she’s a “thing” instead of a person, when you go out of your way to be cruel, then realize that many other women of quality will take notice of that and write you off for the jerk that you are.
And as for valuing virginity in women. I have an almost nonexistent sexual history (conservative upbringing), so I guess that’s a plus (except that I am not hot! lol). Speaking from that perspective, I find men who sleep with as many women as possible, while “expecting” a virginal or near-virginal long-term girlfriend of wife to be massive jerks too. It’s not like I am embracing promiscuity in women, because obviously I’m not and haven’t lived that way myself. But I would hope that any other woman who is in a similar situation (virgin or with very limited experience) will tell herself that she can do waaaaaay better than some guy who bangs as many “whores” as he can, while thinking he “deserves” a good girl to settle down with. There are many decent men (of various sexual histories) who don’t have that entitlement attitude.
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I’m surprised not to see anything about women who have been married/divorced or women with children added to this test. I always thought men would see both of these as negatives.
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Mr. Elliott,
Letters via USPS sounds so novel in the internet age even though it is one letter produced for many, however it doesn’t sound like a pen-pal relationship. Can one particular write back into the author on the letter?
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This test was actually quite fun. I had to use a calculator though because the Maths killed my brain. I’m in a long term relationship with a kid, but I thought I would just do it for the entertainment value. I fit into the ‘average beta female’ category. I guess that’s a good thing because it means I don’t stand out too much.
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Also, another thing I don’t get is splitting the bill. If a woman hopes a man is going to give her children and provide for her, doesn’t it makes sense that he would pay for dinner to prove himself as a provider? Or is this in the age of gender equality, which by the way, I think that dating and relationships are pretty useless in the world of gender equality. Both tests imply that women want to humiliated and treated like socially retarded men. Maybe some do, but I can only speak for myself.
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Since now women earn money too, if a girl expects a man to provide for her, she’ll automatically lose some attractiveness.
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This test is the most real and unabashed commentary on women I have ever seen….. Those that challenge this test (or the men’s test) clearly did not score well and are trying to explain there “betaness”, therefore trying to make human nature the “bad guy”. Never forget that we are still hard wired to these predispositions. Challenging them will not change them. If you have a problem with your score just remember that humans are the pinnacle of millions of years of evolutionary success…. start fucking acting like it.
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This post is undeniable proof that this man has never slept with a woman. Also possible he has never met a woman in real life.
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and that is proof that you hold to a false standard and deep down you know that he is right… why then do men who are the typical “asshole” have women flock to them? Its basic instinct …smart strong intelligent women will follow the same path to his loins that dumb and stupid chubby girls with self esteem and daddy issues will as well… you can deny it if it makes you mad and you hate that your fellow women “make all women look bad” but you know it’s true.
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Unbelievable that any woman with self-respect and self-esteem would actually want to take this little “quiz”. Why lower yourself to the level of a misogynist schmuck?
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The ideal women is a bit dumber than the ideal man because? = is a complement of superior male characteristics such as being already stronger and being the lead or… because is safer than the in the relationship the dumbest partner is the weak (The woman) and not the stronger (The man)?
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I think this test is extremely flawed. And I think the results for the ‘less attractive’ women are extremely rude. I’m sorry, but this test is shit. It caters to materialistic, over-confident, sluttish women who are looking for an ego boost. Absolutely disgusting. And for the record, my score wasn’t even low. I got ‘greater beta’.
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The truth hurts, eh ladies?
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Wow what a great way to have your small amount of self-esteem be ripped to shreds. -_- I just took this ‘test’ and I got down pointed for a lot because I’m bigger and I swear, oh and I dress for comfort instead of wearing trampy clothes 24/7. Oh and cuz I don’t do every little thing a guy wants in the bedroom all the time. *Rolls eyes* Well I’m happy my husband loves me for me and I don’t actually have to worry about this stuff lol. I took it just to see how insulting it would be. I’m apparently a classic Beta at least if I scored it properly…
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“Wow what a great way to have your small amount of self-esteem be ripped to shreds. -_- I just took this ‘test’ and I got down pointed for a lot because I’m bigger and I swear, oh and I dress for comfort instead of wearing trampy clothes 24/7. Oh and cuz I don’t do every little thing a guy wants in the bedroom all the time. *Rolls eyes* Well I’m happy my husband loves me for me and I don’t actually have to worry about this stuff lol. I took it just to see how insulting it would be. I’m apparently a classic Beta at least if I scored it properly…”
So your fat, lazy, lame in the sack, and a prude? Is your husband a closet homo who shamefucks fatties?
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Hmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Bonafide Hottie right here.
I’m thin, with long hair, feminine features, I dress well, and I do what it takes to keep my man happy 🙂
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How did I only find this now? It’s a fun test, even though I have to agree with some of the comments that pointed out some questions are redundant and others are missing. Still, I really don’t understand how they can take this seriously enough to get offended like that
I used to be a nascent alpha (34 points) before I exited the market (a few years before this was published) and though there’s not really much use in calculating my value now (as I have no intention of ever re-entering the market) I slid into greater beta territory. Seems legit.
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Oh honey, no woman is going to turn down your giant dick. Shove it up my pussy.
[CH: Wow just wow!]
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Got greater beta at 29 points, lost points for acne and not liking anal. I wasn’t sure what to put in the facial attractiveness category, I went with 7 of 10.
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fuck yeah. intentionally low score. i still think it’s weird that i have to go out of my way to wear baggy clothes and no makeup just to repel guys, though– it would be nice to just wear whatever and feel good about myself, but still be able to tell guys i’m not interested.
but if i have to choose, i guess unattractive, independent and not having to deal with male attention works just fine for me.
[CH: Unattractiveness is not a prerequisite of independence. If you’re ugly and not getting any attention from men, you’re not independent, you’re romantically exiled, which is not the same thing.]
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Apparently I’m a classic beta, but my -very good looking alpha boyfriend- says I’m a 7 (8 with makeup). So I’m confused! opinions?
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Men’s tastes run ±2 points on the 1-10 scale. So if you’re a 5 or a 6, it’s not inconceivable that to him, you’re a 7 or 8.
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not sure , send nudes
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miscalculated my BMI and am actually now a 28 = greater beta female. I guess I can cope with that. (Can’t say I wish I wasn’t hotter tho)
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I believe the following is very pertinent to this thread of discourse:
*throat clear*
TITS
OR
GTFO!!!!!
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When I’m about to have an orgasm, my girlfriend looks like a 10, too.
I would personally rate her as an 8, but I have my own bizarre preferences.
In reality, probably a 5 (6 until she gained 20 lbs—don’t hate, I like chubby girls.)
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Make-up slightly enhances everyone’s looks. If it doesn’t, you’re just doing it wrong.
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Hey, I prefer chubby women (BMI 23 – 27, WHR 0.8 – 0.9) myself, but it sure is funny seeing all the commenters loudly proclaiming how unhealthy it is to be a skinny woman.
Receiving anal sex isn’t healthy either. Hypergamy doesn’t care about health, especially once it’s taught you that you can’t have an orgasm without something penetrating your anus.
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Aw, you didn’t clarify if liking to fuck men up the ass (with no turnabout) gives me the point for 31!
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Even without it I get nascent alpha on your little test. I could be literally any woman you see walking around that you care to place in that category. Sweet dreams fellas.
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Your wonderful test is a killer for female egos. Reality checks are, lolz.
Btw, i’m looking for the “length” question. For example:
Length:
Under 5′: -1 Now, where did i place my beer?
5′ to 5’7”: 0 Nothing to see here…
5’8” to 5’11”: +1 Doesn’t need ‘heels’, but knows hot to use’em.
6′ and up: -1: So, you play basket?
Number “6. How long are your legs in relation to your height?” doesn’t cover it, i think. Anyways, great site, thanx.
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Hahaha. I’d have the +1 range start at 5’6″, but agreed otherwise. OTOH, based on the comments from an earlier thread, lots of tall guys like female midgets for some reason.
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Well, I would have been able to marry a table scrap, if you had let me finish the quiz! But since my BMI is 35 I guess I don’t stand a chance (:
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You would if you gave up your food addiction and started exercising.
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My wife got a -4. I got a -1. Looks like a match made in heaven.
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I prefer to be single than to score high to this test
if men like so much anal sex why don’t they all become gay and take this test for themselfs
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