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On the seventh anniversary on Obamacare, remember the 7 broken promises that are a reflection of the disaster that the law has brought to the healthcare sector and the lives of millions of Americans. It also further underscores the need for full repeal; anything less would be failure. (dailywire.com)

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[–]Charlithinks [スコア非表示]  (12子コメント)

Please consider a few things which I would like to mention. I know true Conservatives will hate what I have to say, but I beg your indulgence and consideration. Republicans won the Government because Blue States left the Democrats and got on the Trump train this past election, and many even voted a straight Republican ticket. Some of those States were won by very SLIM margins. You can complain all you want that you didn't get the Presidency with a true Conservative. You can even imagine a scenario where a Ted Cruz might have somehow enticed lifelong Democrats to vote enthusiastically to lose their ACA insurance which they complain about but rely on. But when you look past that fantasy please look at what is, rather than what you wish was.

Those Democrats who voted for Trump made a bargain with you, give us Trump, so we can get a wall, and an end to open borders and the hope of good jobs. They did not vote Republican so he could repeal and not replace their healthcare. They trusted him and made a bargain with Conservatives to give you a lot of what you want, but not everything. Just foe starters...For sure at least one Supreme Court Justice and an escape from a Clinton stacked Supreme Court . You also escaped having all those empty judiciary seats filled with her leftist appointees.

Even if you personally don't care about illegal immigration you can not be blind to the numbers of Americans who have demanded both parties enforce our immigration laws only to be ignored, and how that anger has festered. Had HRC have won, do you think that anger would have grown to the point of violence? I think it was a very real threat, and I was very frightened by it.

Repeal only would make some Conservatives rejoice but it would be short lived. You think the out of control town halls are only filled with angry Clinton supporters? The people who are looking Republican politicians in the face and telling them you will kill me if you vote to repeal my medication, my dialysis, my cancer treatments etc etc are part of the vast majority of Americans who will give the Democrats back all the power they had before this election, and more.

Go ahead and take your frustration out on me by hitting the downvote. Go ahead and stick to your absolute Conservative values, or you could see the trap that was laid with ACA will be sprung quickly with repeal , and see what direction you will send us hurtling toward. My God...can you imagine Bernie in 2020? What a nightmare that will be.

[–]awyden [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Sander's will be almost 80 years old in 2020.

[–]Groty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Tulsi

[–]Charlithinks [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Yup and can you imagine Who willl be his running mate? BTW my Pop's is 101 years old and pretty ok in the hesd. Bernie's age won't stop him.

[–]awyden [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Probably Ellison. or Pocahontas?

[–]ozric101 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Collage kids voting for Grandpa Socialist is almost laughable. In the 60's where Comrade Sanders developed, the mantra was to not trust anyone over 30.

[–]Charlithinks [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I think you know there are plenty of Leftist politicians besides Bernie. Add in the fact that automation will be taking many jobs over the next few years, and a lot of people are going to be losing jobs to robots and its all quite a scary future without access to healthcare.

[–]ozric101 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Make medical robots to take care of you. Problem solved... I think you a mistaking automation for robotics. The robots have been taking over since the 1950's, but keep on dreaming.

[–]Charlithinks [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are you denying that automation will be putting more and more unskilled and skilled people out of work? Are you playing some silly game with semantics about robots vs automation? I really don't care what term you use to describe the near future where much of human labor will become obsolete. I don't know what you mean by "keep on dreaming" , but I imagine My dreams are probably not much different from yours. A flourishing American economy where our Government is functional, where people work together even when they disagree instead of just trying to destroy the opposition. I left the Democrats because leftism is bad for this Country. I don't want Tyranny. I don't want to see us lose our American culture, and I believe we must have rule of law. I also don't want to see our Country destroyed by people who are uncompromising in their staunch ideology, who refuse to accept the way forward is come together, not accelerate toward Civil War or anarchy in the streets. I don't have time or energy to argue with anyone right now. I just wanted to share my opinion in civil discourse, which I have done, and now I'm going to get back to work.

[–]mclumber1 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Go ahead and stick to your absolute Conservative values,

There is nothing conservative about the AHCA. It's cold hearted and un-christian like.

[–]CrazyLanguageEnglish [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This is a complete misdirection and a very indirect way of buring the actual substance.

Most conservative criticisms about the AHCA are that it is not cruel enough. It covers too much.

A true conservative alternative to the AHCA would be more cruel not less.

During the campaign Republicans lie and say they want better healthcare at lower costs. They want lower deductibles. Lower Premiums. They attack Obamacare from the left.

Trump specially did this an incredible amount. His rhetoric was he wanted to cover more people than the ACA.

The reality is Republicans have never in public openly and honestly campaigned for 'conservative healthcare' because it is disastrously unpopular.

People want good healthcare. They don't care about the your ideology about the government.

[–]schtevigo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

lol, found the commie. How's Venezuelan healthcare workin?

[–]ozric101 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The fight has already been lost.. time to face the facts Obama care is Mit Romeny care. Either repeal it and let it die or fully socialize health care. There is no simple fix that is going to lower insurance prices, when you have 10% of the population spending all the money. Medical care age limits, spending caps and death panels are what you are going to get.

[–]raven0usvampire [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

or fully socialize health care

That's socialist talk!

[–]mclumber1 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

A full repeal (and nothing else) would be disastrous to millions of Americans who were uninsurable before the implementation of the ACA. Not only would doing this cause a massive backlash against the GOP in 2018, it's also a shitty, heartless thing to do.

The fact is, insurance isn't meant for people with preexisting conditions. No one buys auto insurance because you know you're going to get into 6 accidents a year. Trying to force insurance companies to insure sick people drives up the cost of insurance for everyone else. The goal should be to remove those chronically high cost people from private insurance altogether. Allow them to enroll in Medicare, and have them pay monthly premiums and copays to help cover the cost.

[–]Groty [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The goal should be to remove those chronically high cost people from private insurance altogether. Allow them to enroll in Medicare, and have them pay monthly premiums and copays to help cover the cost.

And pay for that...how? You're just moving things around and changing labels.

[–]mclumber1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You pay for it with the premiums and copays these people are putting into Medicare. Would there have to be some amount of subsidization? Maybe. But this is a better alternative than subsidizing private insurance with public dollars. There is nothing free market about giving private insurance public money.

[–]raven0usvampire [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Uh isn't the whole point of the AHA to give people freedom to choose what kind of plans they can buy or whether or not they even want to buy healthcare? Why buy healthcare when you're young and healthy right?

I mean the talking points don't change.

[–]mclumber1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There is a whole lot about the AHCA that makes it worse than Obamacare. For instance, the mandate: From what I've read, if you are uninsured, you pay a 30% premium increase to the insurance company when you purchase coverage. This is a big penalty, and will just cause more people to NOT buy any coverage at all, until they are actually sick. Instead of making the insurance pool bigger, it will shrink it, just as the CBO has indicated in their study.

On top of that, the insurance company is pocketing a government mandated fine. This is as shitty as those red light cameras where some private corporation is collecting ticket money when you blow past a light.

[–]raven0usvampire [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

So I don't understand why Trump doesn't just repeal the ACA first?

I'm pretty sure the congressional GOP is only wavering on the American Healthcare Act because it doesn't go far enough to dismantle the ACA.

Why not just repeal the ACA first, then wait until the GOP can come up with a healthcare plan that everyone will be happy with.

There's no need to "repeal and replace" in the same bill.

[–]Groty [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

They've had 7 years to present something. Why wait longer and expect something to change. The real kicker is states have the ability to take control of things at any time and run their own programs if they choose to. Mass does that, why haven't more stepped up and put better plans in place? The only thing stopping them is themselves.

[–]raven0usvampire [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Maybe the GOP doesn't actually want to replace it with anything. just go back to the way it was before the ACA. People have the freedom to choose their plan if they even want to buy health insurance.

[–]mclumber1 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What should we do with people who can't be insured?

[–]Groty [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Then we should not pay disability to people that chose to not purchase insurance. Too many people with debilitating conditions do just that, bad backs, foot problems, knee problems, stop working in their 50's because they never got proper medical attention and the issue just got worse. On to disability checks.

[–]eeeinator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

awesome, so now we'll be stuck with Obamacare is this how its going to be when tax reform comes up? Are certain Repubs going to sink it if it doesn't go far enough?