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ICE Is Targeting ‘Sanctuary Cities’ With Raids (ktla.com)

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[–]Albacorewing 228 ポイント229 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Sanctuary cities are the logical place to search for illegal aliens.

[–]CopyToner 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Police are targeting crackhouses for addicts.

[–]joto_baggins 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I came here to say this....if I had illegally entered a country and violated immigration law and was amenable to deportation but I knew of a magical city where they would fight for me to stay and hide me; then I'd go there.

So, logically, you're going to find more people illegally present in the United States with criminal convictions (who know they are a priority deportation) inside sanctuary cities because they know there is a smaller chance of being deported.

So, putting "targeting" in the article is just a crap trigger word. Besides, these cities already have tons of ICE agents working in them already. They aren't shifting agents from around the country and pooling them together and attacking these cities. Just standard daily activities. Only now are they getting reported on.

Headline shoulda been, "ICE caught....doing its job"

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    [–]Billy_of_the_fail 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (12子コメント)

    Next thing you know they'll start targeting banks to catch bank robbers.

    [–]cookiepartytoday 132 ポイント133 ポイント  (24子コメント)

    I can't wait for all the civility in this comment section

    [–]littletoyboat 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    <makes popcorn>

    <sorts by controversial>

    [–]rhott 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    If you don't want certain laws enforced, then change the law. The current situation of laws is untenable. I don't agree we should deport every illegal immigrant we find, but I also don't think we can't ignore laws. What do you say to all the immigrants who took the legal route if amnesty is given to millions who came here illegally?

    [–]dagnart 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    "Amnesty" doesn't have to mean hand-waving away everything. It should be easier and quicker for people to legally immigrate and we can allow people already here to go through the same process.

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      [–]BlackHawkGS 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (15子コメント)

      It would be nice to see an r/news comment thread about muslims, immigration, or transgender issues that isn't 99% snark. I swear there was a time where this community used to be civil and people were far less transparent about their phobias. Maybe I dreamed that.

      [–]cookiepartytoday 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

      I would like the discussion refocused on military spending. It's so much money, regardless of what you think about the current wars.

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        [–]ejhickey [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        How surprising that Federal law enforcement officials concentrate thir efforts in areas with greater concentrations of illegals

        [–]okayokaysure 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (32子コメント)

        ...fine?

        I really feel like "Sanctuary City" is a terrible misnomer because the left is feeling all righteous about protecting illegal immigrants. But honestly, I support sanctuary cities because fuck spending local funds hunting down otherwise law abiding citizens. If the federal government wants to enforce it, bully for them.

        I don't hate illegal immigrants, I'm happy to have them here as business owners and workers - but they made a choice to not come here legally and were aware of the risk. I don't think it's reasonable to extend extra rights to them.

        I'd love to change our immigration policy to make it easier for people to come here because I think they're awesome for the economy and do wonderful things for our country.

        That being said, I think that discouraging illegal immigrants from feeling like they can report crimes or acts of violence because they are afraid of being deported is wrong. It makes legal residents less safe when we have a class of people who can be victimized without repercussions or who are afraid to come forward as witnesses for fear of deportation.

        TL;DR - enforcement at the local level is stupid, but if the feds wanna do it, fine. But I still think our immigration policy is stupid.

        [–]flamehead2k1 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (24子コメント)

        fuck spending local funds hunting down otherwise law abiding citizens.

        That isn't the case though. The Feds aren't asking local cops to actively hunt down illegal immigrants, they are asking them to be held when they are brought in on other charges.

        [–]ahtu1 [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

        lol yes this parent comment is such a complete mischaracterization of the issue. Why would the ICE be 'hunting' US citizens? On the US political scale I'm practically a communist (being a legal immigrant from the EU) and I just don't understand what good does the sanctuary city policy do. Is the argument that it's a waste of resources to deport people? I would expect to be deported myself for a violent crime

        [–]Davidfreeze [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        Sanctuary cities do still hold illegal immigrants who commit violent crimes. The argument is they are trying to run a city. Having some percentage of the people living there completely unwilling to interact with the government in any way would make running a city very hard. So they don't turn over illegal immigrants unless they commit violent crimes, in order to ensure they do in fact interact with the government in normal ways making running a city practically possible. Frankly, unless you think finding and deporting every illegal immigrant is a feasible practice, this seems like the practical response for a city to take.

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          [–]metallink11 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

          Except if the local police become know for doing shit like that than no illegal immigrant will ever talk to them again. In order for the local police to be able to do their job properly, they need to have the trust of the community and that can't happen if they have a policy of selling out a significant portion of their citizens to the feds.

          ICE can go ahead and raid these cities if they want; it is their job after all. But illegal immigration is a federal crime and requiring local police to enforce it just makes their job harder and the communities they police more dangerous.

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            [–]gamedevelopersguild[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

            I think that discouraging illegal immigrants from feeling like they can report crimes or acts of violence because they are afraid of being deported is wrong.

            Worst part is, there's evidence of this making law enforcement harder. You can't ask the local bodega for help because the workers are scared of getting in trouble, so gangs can keep gunning people down without any witnesses saying anything.

            Interestingly, being here illegally makes people more likely to follow the non-immigration laws because breaking them would be going back to the shithole they escaped from, a neat feedback loop.

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              [–]legion_XXX 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (40子コメント)

              Dont want to be deported? Become a citizen and dont break the law. The end.

              [–]Lick_The_Wrapper [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              Oh wow, no one ever told them it was that easy. /s

              [–]aswrsm [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

              if you entered the country illegally, it's very difficult to become a citizen or a permanent resident. That's why there are cases of people being deported even with the fact that they are married to US citizens and have kids who were born here.
              Now you may say then do no enter the country illegally, well that's a fair point, but for many the prospects of getting a visa is almost impossible therefore they will always risk it no matter what the consequences are. The middle east migrants are risking drowning in the Mediterranean to make it to europe (not saying this to make it sound like a good thing) just laying the facts to reach one conclusion: humans will always seek better conditions no matter what the consequences are.
              Edit: No, I am not saying America should have open borders. I am simply stating observable trends.

              [–]Acrimony01 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

              we should have open borders because people are going to come anyways

              Basically that's what you're saying.

              [–]aswrsm [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

              Absolutely Not. And America as a nation with laws has the authority and perhaps the obligation to deport everyone who came here illegally.
              I am saying whatever solution you have in place it, will not be 100%. Maybe if you commission an Army to deport all illegal immigrants then perhaps so. I do not have a solution nor do I claim to be an expert on the subject. But I feel like some sort of a guest worker program would be better to control the flow.

              Another idea (I do not condone) that will probably stem the flow of illegal immigrants is to limit their rights within the US. For example, no rent, no driver license, no water or utilities if you do not show papers (some sort of a federal ID). That's how it is in other places (maybe Japan) but that would require sacrificing a lot of freedom Americans enjoy. But again, I belive it will not completely stop the flow and black markets will flourish.

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                  [–]ozric101 208 ポイント209 ポイント  (486子コメント)

                  It is wonderful to see laws actually get enforce.

                  [–]timoumd 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (81子コメント)

                  Like the ACA mandate?

                  [–]CUK4CoCoPuffs 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                  I'm no expert but I'm pretty the ACA had a few mandates. Could you provide some insight into which mandate isn't being enforced?

                  Like the cadillac tax which fucks employers who want to provide their employees with better than average health care?

                  Because that would be the previous administration's doing. They strategically let the building blocks of the ACA fall in place over time with the more palatable things first running through to the shittiest parts.

                  [–]laserkid1983 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                  The one where if you don't buy insurance then the IRS will fine your tax return.

                  IE The poor young people fine.

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                    [–]Mobilebutts 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (50子コメント)

                    Government forcing us to buy private insurance is a very different topic....

                    Edit: and smoking weed is a victimless crime. Illegal immigration, and illegal labor is not.

                    [–]timoumd 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (45子コメント)

                    But it is the law. Funny you dont care about enforcing that one.

                    [–]BudDePo 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                    I would like our immigration laws enforced. I would like the individual mandate enforced under the ACA. I would like to see the ACA repealed and replaced, but not with the AHA as it exists right now.

                    [–]Bloodysneeze 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                    I would like to see the ACA repealed and replaced, but not with the AHA as it exists right now.

                    What would you want to see in it's place?

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                          [–]johnnybiggs15 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Fining people who make less then 25k for the aca individual mandate loses elections. See 2016 election. You can tax people who dont to participate just dont complain when the backlash brings you president Trump.

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                            [–]Drozz42 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (68子コメント)

                            Ridiculous that you are being downvoted. How dare the law be enforced!

                            [–]NurRauch 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (65子コメント)

                            So if we go back to putting people in prison for marijuana possession, you'd go "That's the only thing we should be doing now, since it's the new law," right?

                            [–]get-out-raccoon 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                            go back to? when did we stop?

                            [–]jerryTcunt 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (42子コメント)

                            There's a big difference between illegally entering and living in a country vs smoking pot.

                            [–]alendit 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                            This might be, but your OP's original argument was that something should be enforced just because it's a law.

                            [–]NurRauch 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (35子コメント)

                            In the vast majority of cases, there really isn't. They come here, work jobs, feed families, and that's it. Our immigration laws already prioritized deporting people that are dangerous.

                            And how do we go from "It's the law," to "well, that law is more important than this other law"? You're inherently contradicting the "It's the law" argument. If the law is the law and we have to follow it and do it what it says because that's just the law, then you can't distinguish between different kinds of laws. On one hand, you're dismissing the serious humanitarian concerns of proponents of amnesty for these illegal immigrants because "It's the law." But with marijuana you're making this about harm to society by smoking pot. You have to pick one of the arguments; you can't use both. If you justify smoking pot on the basis that it's just not that bad, then you have to be willing to entertain the humanitarian arguments for immigration even when it violates US immigration law.

                            [–]Spidersinmypants 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                            There is no legal way to live here or work as an illegal. They are either working under the table and evading taxes, or they are working with a stolen id, and committing fraud. They steal from us by sending their kids to put schools, driving on our roads with no license or insurance and on and on. It's a huge problem and thankfully we are putting the smack down on these thieves.

                            [–]Bloodysneeze 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                            There is no legal way to live here or work as an illegal.

                            Same with smoking pot.

                            [–]NurRauch 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            They are either working under the table and evading taxes

                            Which is why Obama's directive to give as many of these people as possible temporary work permits was precisely the best thing to do. Under Obama's administration, when I had undocumented immigrants as clients in criminal cases who got picked up for low-level misdemeanor offenses, the most common thing to happen to them was to get monitored by ICE, brought to Immigration Court, and allowed out of custody provided they applied for documents in a reasonable amount of time. Getting picked up by the police for low-level offenses actually had the effect of often helping them obtain legal status, and it was great because it cut down on the economic costs of illegal immigration and allowed them to be productive both to their own families and also to the US.

                            And was there an enormous tide of illegal immigration following these initiatives? Nope. The number of illegal immigrants in America hasn't increased since 2005. For most of Obama's term it even went down.

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                              [–]jerryTcunt 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                              It amazes me every time I see someone who is in favor of illegal immigration.

                              [–]NurRauch -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                              It amazes me every time I see someone who is in favor of illegal immigration.

                              "It amazes me every time I see someone on Reddit freely admitting they smoke pot in flagrant violation of federal schedule 1 substance laws. The law is the law, except when I don't personally think the law is that big of a deal, like with violating a schedule 1 substance law."

                              [–]Seeattle_Seehawks 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                              Do you think marijuana being schedule one and illegal immigration are equally sensible laws?

                              [–]NurRauch -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              They're both incredibly unreasonable and in need of serious modification before they are humane and sensible.

                              Proponents of Trump's immigration policies act like this is an all or nothing proposition, that we either need to kick out all 11+ million people in this country who don't have legal immigration status, or allow a totally open border that never deports anyone, never turns anyone away, etc. Immigration laws are way more complex than that and there are dozens of areas that have good middle ground. Obama was making the right to call to prioritize people convicted of dangerous criminal offenses and to prioritize people who come from dangerous backgrounds in other countries (gangs, cartels, mafias, terrorism).

                              [–]jerryTcunt 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                              Nice strawman

                              [–]tartay745 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                              He asked you a legitimate question and you've dodged it without honestly answering. If you believe this immigration law should be enforced simply because it's a law then you should be totally onboard with raids on pot shops in Colorado in addition to arresting anyone caught in possession.

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                                          [–]ValAichi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          But what about muh state rights!

                                          [–]Roundhouse1988 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          Like corporate tax law? or anti-trust law? Or environmental law?

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                                            [–]Drozz42 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Water is wet? Next thing you're going to be telling me that firefighters target buildings that are on fire!

                                            [–]Muley_Freek 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Good. Sanctuary cities shouldn't exist in the first place.

                                            [–]withthegreatone 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            Are they also doing Party Planning?

                                            [–]idaredoall 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Arrested Development reference spotted!

                                            [–]Ryriena 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            It's like saying police are targeting Crack Houses for crack dealers.

                                            [–]TinyWightSpider [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                            Food for thought:

                                            Colorado and Washington are "sanctuary states" for marijuana traffickers. Is that OK?

                                            [–]atxbuttstuff 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            ITT: Fuck those states for not upholding federal immigration laws!

                                            Last year: Fuck yeah, states ignoring federal drug laws!

                                            Pathetic as usual, reddit.

                                            [–]W0LF_JK 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (65子コメント)

                                            Worth noting, since people will inevitably say that CT is harboring undocumented criminal immigrants and/or violating federal law: once a conviction occurs, the Department of Correction, Bureau of Pardons and Paroles, and Adult Probation Services will cooperate with any immigration detainer, and, in many cases, actually notify federal immigration authorities about the conviction. I feel like every article about issues of sanctuary cities needs to have that disclaimer. Most people don't realize that the issue is about (1) the State choosing not to use its limited resources to detain people without warrants when asked to do so, and (2) the State creating a circumstance in which victims or witnesses of crimes are willing to come forward to support justice, even if they are in the US illegally.

                                            *Pulled this from someone on Facebook in regards to Sanctuary cities in CT. Anyone want to prove it wrong?

                                            [–]Capital_Offensive 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                            *Pulled this from someone on Facebook]

                                            Anyone want to prove it wrong?

                                            I dont think this is how this works.

                                            [–]Damn_Dog_Inappropes 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (58子コメント)

                                            (1) the State choosing not to use its limited resources to detain people without warrants when asked to do so, and

                                            (2) the State creating a circumstance in which victims or witnesses of crimes are willing to come forward to support justice, even if they are in the US illegally.

                                            Pulled those two nuggets out so they'll be easier to read. These are exactly why some cities are calling themselves sanctuary cities. It's literally better for the community financially and socially.

                                            [–]FloridaGrizzly 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                                            Oh yes, it's so hard to let someone whose already been arrested, sit in a cell.

                                            [–]Hokaykewp 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                            It costs money just to hold people.

                                            [–]Seeattle_Seehawks 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Best let all the rapists and murderers out, they're spendin' all me money!

                                            [–]Davidfreeze [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                            Sanctuary cities do not release rapists or murderers.

                                            [–]digital_end 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Oh we're making up bullshit strawmen about the other viewpoint to argue against?

                                            Well then you're saying "round up anyone with dark skin, they're genetically criminals and you know it".

                                            Wow, this is productive.

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                                              [–]Samuel_L_Jewson 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                              It could very well be a violation of the 4th Amendment to hold someone without a legal warrant requiring it. Those ICE warrants are not signed by judges, so they aren't actual criminal arrest warrants that would permit holding someone.

                                              A lot of the added cost could be in legal fees from those people taking legal action because they were illegally detained.

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                                                [–]hooraah 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (36子コメント)

                                                In the short term, I see your point. But if being a sanctuary city causes you to be a target for thousands of additional immigrants the next year, you may be worse off. Similar to how cities who try to take care of the homeless end up with 10x the homeless population.

                                                [–]timoumd 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                                                Why would that be bad with immigrants? I know, I know, look at NYC. Totally screwed that city over. You may never have even heard of it. Lots of immigrants. Big riots, mafia problems. We definitely dont need more cities like NY in America.

                                                [–]bdmflyer 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                                                Are you purposely conflating legal and illegal immigration?

                                                [–]thesweetestpunch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                                                NYC is a hotbed of both legal and illegal immigration. Several of my friends here don't have their documents in order, or else their parents aren't documented. It's nearly impossible to not have at least one school friend who's the child of undocumented immigrants.

                                                [–]GriffsWorkComputer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                I know this guy whos been here illegally for 20+ years, knows limited english and somehow has a job in a union

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                                                        [–]only_response_needed 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        Number 2 is horseshit. The only reason it's without fear of being deported is because the problem of illegals is an allowed problem. Relatives of illegals vote. And knowing ahead of time that there is an allowed issue of illegals in a state/city that it warrants a clause is admittance of that allowance and thus doesn't trump its unethical rule. I.e. We know we allow illegals in, we don't care because we're tough on crime, just not the crime that will cost votes.

                                                        [–]Isord 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Right, people keep screaming about law and order. It is literally the police chiefs asking for these sanctuary city laws so they can do their damn jobs.

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                                                          [–]GoodGuyAgain 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (28子コメント)

                                                          good. and the fed govt should pull any moneys for those cities/states.

                                                          [–]Casaiir 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                          good. and the fed govt should pull any moneys for those cities/states.

                                                          You do realize the response to that would be for those States to stop sending money to the Federal Government then, right. A lot of those States send more money to the Fed than they get back.

                                                          [–]Quo_Vadis_Evropa 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          That's secession.

                                                          Good luck with that.

                                                          [–]Casaiir [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                          Technical it would be extortion. Like what op suggested.

                                                          [–]pastrie300 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          They can't just not pay taxes

                                                          [–]startingover_90 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                          No, the states are legally required to pay their taxes to the federal government.

                                                          [–]Casaiir 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                          And vice versa

                                                          [–]startingover_90 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                          lol no, the federal government is only required to send any money to lower governments by its own decision and that money can be frozen at any time by congress.

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                                                            [–]gmz_88 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                            Sanctuary cities are actually the biggest contributors to our GDP. Perhaps they should stop carrying the mismanaged red states?

                                                            [–]bpdexter85 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            I have no problem with the feds enforcing their laws, but all a sanctuary city is, is a city that doesn't go the extra mile to enforce laws that aren't part of their purview anyways. It takes extra funds and work to do so, and is really a federal issue anyways.

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                                                              [–]Gantzer 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                              Sanctuary cities are the only time progs will voice their approval for state rights. pathetic.

                                                              [–]deebasr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              read this as ICE T is Targeting

                                                              am now disappoint

                                                              [–]prkmage111 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                              I work in law enforcement, though I'm happy to have their enforcement without paying for it.

                                                              [–]especial_ed [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                              You are paying for it, unless of course you're not paying taxes.

                                                              [–]Phillipinsocal 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              KTLA is a local POS news station that panders to the liberal bottom feeders that clog the arteries of Southern California. Sanctuary cities DO NOTHING POSITIVE FOR AMERICA. They should be eradicated. It boggles my mind how people can even support these abominations. Oh, you're An illegal alien, whos "scared" to report a crime to the government of the country, FROM WHICH YOU ARE ILLEGALLY FUCKING IN?! Are people really trying to defend this type of logic??

                                                              [–]Casaiir 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Wouldn't it be easier to go after the companies that are hiring them?

                                                              If they don't have jobs then there would be no reason for them to come here at all.

                                                              This is like waiting at the corner busing the person buying the drugs and waving and smiling at the drug dealer.

                                                              All the while the people in the neighborhood thanking the cop and the drug dealer for doing them the service of having an endless supply of drug users coming to that corner.

                                                              [–]pastrie300 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                              Sometimes it's not even firms, it can be households too.

                                                              [–]apbadogs 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (37子コメント)

                                                              Good. if you are in this country illegally, and also have committed other crimes you SHOULD be arrested and deported. Fuck sanctuary cities and the people who support them.

                                                              [–]mrthewhite 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (34子コメント)

                                                              That's not what sanctuary cities do.

                                                              [–]Hughdepayen 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                                                              It is in fact, what is being done. Part of being a sanctuary city is not communicating with federal inmigration authorities about those who have been arrested who are illegal aliens.

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                                                              To those saying nuh uh...

                                                              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanctuary_city

                                                              Municipal policies include prohibiting police or city employees from questioning people about their immigration status and not cooperating with the national government to enforce immigration law.[1]

                                                              [–]Assad-is-god 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                              The federal government is responsible for border protection and enforcing illegal immigration laws, not local. Either change the law and provide funding or nothing will change.

                                                              [–]4x49ers 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                              Sanctuary cities are simply not doing the federal government's job for them. It's up to ICE and Homeland Security to round up illegals and detain them, not your local beat cop and jailers.

                                                              [–]TeslaAddict 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                              These are illegal immigrants that local police have already detained. The feds want police to hold them anywhere from an extra 2 to 48 hours to give their agents time to come pick up the illegal aliens. How is that at all asking local law enforcement to do too much?

                                                              [–]beancounter2885 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              They also want cops to do this to people who report crimes. They basically want cops to check everyone. The problem is two-fold. First, that gets expensive fast. Holding people isn't cheap and a lot of cities are already running huge deficits. Second, and more importantly, if illegal immigrants know cops are going to get them deported, they're not going to report crimes, which could result in skyrocketing crime rates.

                                                              [–]4x49ers 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                              Because checking their immigration status is unrelated to their job. If you think local cops need to do the bidding of federal agencies maybe they should check on people's tax records for the IRS and their student loans for the department of education as well?

                                                              I'm not even arguing against handling illegals, but this is a stupid way to do it, and pushes cost into local governments rather than the agencies who's actual job it is to do this.

                                                              [–]TeslaAddict 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                              nobody is asking local police to check their immigration status, ICE has already told police to hold these individuals because they are wanted for various crimes. The only thing ICE is asking is for local police to keep these people locked up a few hours longer.

                                                              [–]4x49ers 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I work in law enforcement, though I'm not a cop. I've never seen them request a hold for less than 72 hours. Our jail used to hold them until our new sheriff decided they'd be released after their hearing on local charges. It's not our job to hold them, and ICE will often times not even show up at all. They're underfunded, but Republicans want to have their enforcement without paying for it. That's no bueno. If you want them, come get them. If you want to get more of them, then increase ICE funding. Pushing the cost into small towns or even huge cities isn't the answer.

                                                              [–]Blazicus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              All of that costs money that could be better spent elsewhere.

                                                              [–]TeslaAddict [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                              The federal government provides states with Federal aid for exactly that reason.

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                                                                [–]OliveItMaggle -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                No it isnt. All a sanctuary city does is not arrest people for simply being here illegally. If they commit other crimes the system doesn't apply.

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                                                                  [–]Boomdegasser -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                  Sanctuary cities refuse to hand over criminals to authorities. Disgusting.

                                                                  [–]pavlpants 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                  Bullshit. They just refuse to spend their own money and manpower on it because they're not paid for it and it's not their job.

                                                                  They don't and can't stop the federal agents from doing their jobs.

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                                                                      [–]Marion_Cobretti 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      This is thanks to the new ICE director.

                                                                      The previous one had a policy of targeting, only white upper class neighborhoods in Minnesota, Kansas and Nebraska.

                                                                      I just wasnt working out.

                                                                      [–]Pilebutt 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      Thankfully. Californian here. Messaged my representatives already. I don't support sanctuary cities right now. California already has enough issues that more tax hikes to provide the required social services for this stuff is not cool.

                                                                      [–]Acrimony01 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                      The whole argument for "sanctuary cities" was supposed to be that ICE does their job (immigration enforcement) and police do their jobs (public safety). Every time I hear ICE doing their jobs now, there is blow back.

                                                                      Why don't "liberals" (if you can call them that anymore) just admit it. They want open borders and a welfare state. Just fucking admit it.

                                                                      [–]jupiterkansas 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      An interesting related video about sanctuary cities

                                                                      [–]Givam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      The whole concept is 'sanctuary cities' is as flawed as if in the days of slavery homes that were part of the Underground Railroad would have placed billboards on their property advertising that fact.

                                                                      [–]neoikon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      We're all about State's rights... unless...

                                                                      [–]especial_ed [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                                                                      After reading down quite a ways, and seeing ignorance compounded with stupidity, let me throw this out there for you folks to think about...

                                                                      The main reason areas of "sanctuary" are in existence (cities, towns, whatever) is because the leaders of those areas;

                                                                      A) know full well since this country was founded that people from Mexico have been filtering back and forth across the border like the (basically) nomadic people they're descended from (Indians, in case some of you slower types don't get it).

                                                                      B) that these "illegals" have family on both sides of the "line" and to Mexicans, family is a very important part of their lives.

                                                                      C) that Mexicans, while they've come into America before it was America and since, have worked to create the America you see before you - whether by feeding it, or building it, or maintaining it.

                                                                      D) that when a bigot, in this instance the president of the U.S., riles a bunch of bigots (his fanboys) into a frenzy over a point designed to fan hatred (it's way easier to miss the fact that Trump's a self-serving piece of shit when all he does is rabble rouse to avert investigation) over something that has been going on for the 250 years of this country's history - that there MAY be a secondary reason for this to become an issue - especially one that is nothing but talking points handed down to the bigots to be disseminated as if gospel. The secondary reason? If you stare too long at Trump's stream of bullshit and lies, you MAY actually start thinking about getting rid of such a vile, unpresidential POS.

                                                                      E) that trump, at the behest of his buddies who own and operate private prisons, is doing this NOT to deport these people but to stock their prisons with income - because THAT'S where your tax dollars are going - to pay to keep these people in jail. Oh, and by the way? The prisons are using these people as slave labor.

                                                                      and F) the leaders of these sanctuaries know full well the misery caused when these immigrant's families are torn apart and really are tired of THAT aspect of this nonsense too.

                                                                      Know how best to solve the immigration problem to the U.S.? Kick that dipshit out of the oval office and put someone in there who is able to think past "what can I do for me today?".

                                                                      [–]nyj585 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                                                                      Fun fact. Adjusting for home country population, it is disproportionately Canadians who overstay their visa that are in the US without legal status (aka illegals). We just don't care because they are not third world and white. You don't see ICE agents rounding up Canadians.

                                                                      Also illegal immigrants actually economically benefit countries. In addition, they pay taxes and can't apply for benefits. Almost every economist agrees that the benefits of these illegal immigrants outweigh the costs. The only way illegals can benefit from the system is if they have a child who is legally an American citizen (something the right likes to call "having an anchor baby"). If you are pro-law then you should not be advocating refusal of benefits to a legal citizen just because he is brown. By the way many white people (German, Irish, and Italian) obtained citizenship this way as well, by having a child on US soil. European immigrants were not given citizenship as they entered. By law though, once you have a kid then you aren't illegal since your child is a US citizen so most of these so called illegals end up not being illegal by law anyway. Just my two cents.

                                                                      Edit: mixed up illegal overstay and illegal immigration aka legal entry and illegal stay versus legal entry

                                                                      [–]1commenthitter 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                      In addition, they pay taxes and can't apply for benefits

                                                                      Yes they do this by stealing peoples identities, I mean a CA senator admitted it while virtue signalling.

                                                                      By law though, once you have a kid then you aren't illegal

                                                                      That is not accurate at all

                                                                      [–]Pinwurm [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

                                                                      Canadians who overstay their visa.

                                                                      This 'fact' is wrong, frankly.

                                                                      Canadians have an unlimited tourist Visa upon entry to the US. So long as they're not working, they're welcome to stay as long as they like. We also don't really 'deport' Canadians unless they break criminal statutes. Immigration/employment are civil statutes.

                                                                      52% of illegal immigrants are Mexican according to Pew Research Center.

                                                                      But yes, immigration - even illegal immigration - can be hugely beneficial to a country.

                                                                      [–]Marco_Robotio 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                      Actually people are starting to be against H-1B visa's as well, so your strawman of the racist who is "only against brown people" is pretty childish.

                                                                      [–]ILikeAhDaCoochie -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                      Oh my god, a law some people don't like is being enforced!

                                                                      :)

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