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[–]SupraMehTX 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (14子コメント)

If you follow this whole spectacle more than just superficially, this is one of the only narratives that even remotely makes any fucking sense.

[–]grassshrimpNJ[S] 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I was disappointed with the questions asked in the hearing. A very simple question could have been - if you didn't "wiretapp" or do surveillance on Trump, exactly what did you investigate? Surveillance is what they do - I'm sure they didn't have an agent follow him around so they can prove he met with secret Russian agents. This will unravel at some point IMO.

[–]customscrazy 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Of course it will unravel.
I have NEVER heard a coherent explanation for how Russia influenced the outcome of our election. Try getting one of your liberal friends to explain it in their own words - they cant.
The best they've got is "w-well maybe Russia leaked stuff to Wikileaks" and all that did was prove the Democratic party to be a thoroughly rotten, corrupt institution.

[–]ZapBlastoff 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Y'know I was on a stream chat debating about this to a lefty moonbat who believed fully in this Russian bullcrap. Guy kept on pressing me for evidence on my side, so the next day I had a laundry list of sources of articles and videos including ones from MSM lefty outlets like NY Times and CNN, and they guy refused to even look at it! Also I asked this mook for proof on his side on the Trump/Russia conspiracy, and its been almost a week without a peep outta him. Goes to show yah that facts to these people are like sunlight to vampires, they just can't stand facts!

[–]fatsack 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it's more like their reflection to vampires, they simply can not see them. Like a vampire looking at a mirror when you show them facts disproving their argument they literally can not see it.

[–]CactusPete 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

if you press hard enough, the official line is this: Russia published some newspaper articles and perhaps some blog posts.

That's it. That's the entire allegation. It's comical. The MSM is so busy repeating the "hacked!" allegation that many sheep don't bother to ask "how?" The answer - that some Russian newspaper articles disfavored Clinton - is stunning. If a Bolivian newspaper also wrote of one of Clinton's scandals, did Bolivia also "hack" the election.

This will bite the Dems, the DNC, and the MSM in the ass. The prolonged hysteria, with nothing to back it up, will not be forgotten. If there's anything to back it up it hasn't come out yet.

[–]Neptune323 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What about the Paul Manafort latest revelations on the AP article? Many are salivating over this one.

https://apnews.com/122ae0b5848345faa88108a03de40c5a/Manafort's-plan-to-'greatly-benefit-the-Putin-Government

[–]BellaAlexUSA 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wonder if any of his newly appointed(back in July) secret service agents were also working for the FBI?

[–]grassshrimpNJ[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good question. I suspect a whistle blower eventually will come forward.

[–]baybreezesNJ 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's because they don't want to ask the right questions.

[–]grassshrimpNJ[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm becoming convinced that you are right.

[–]12thVikingDNK 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, it's either that, or the IQ and situational awareness of a 7yo !

[–]MechaTrogdor 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oooh oooh I know the answer to this one!

"I'm sorry I will not discuss ongoing investigations."

[–]DuvalpedeFL 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Director Comey, if I may be frank, were you the source of any leaks of classified information?"

[–]OnlyTrump16USA 100 ポイント101 ポイント  (1子コメント)

By playing with the words. "Spying" becomes "under investigation" and that is supposed to take away the criminality of it along with Trump's right to complain.

[–]benthamitemetric 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is still no evidence that Trump or anyone in his campaign are or were under investigation. People are falling into a trap of conceding facts not in evidence because there are many commentators and articles floating around that deliberately distort the timeline and claims. See my lengthier post below for an accurate timeline and overview of Comey's testimony in context.

[–]AchillesRage 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Now add this thought:

If there was an active investigation on Trump-Russia since July, why was it never LEAKED!?

We know the felonious lengths that people sympathetic to Obama's cause will go to leak info and destroy Trump. But nothing, not even a whisper of an investigation. Even with HRC e-mail case reopening a week before the election, nothing on Trump

That is a HUGE red flag!!

[–]grassshrimpNJ[S] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You can bet if they had anything on President Trump it would have been leaked. They leaked General Flynn's conversation which is a felony - of course they would have leaked anything on our President if they had it. They don't.

[–]Major_Motoko 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A 10 year felony which we don't even know if it's being investigated.

[–]JustDoinThingsNY 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Comey never said there was an investigation into Trump since July. He only said that there was an investigation into Russian interference in the election that started in July.

Everything else about Trump is carefully worded lies. His job was to support the Russia lie. They wiretapped Trump in order to help them win the election. They lost and now this Russia thing is the cover story.

[–]Nalgahyde 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That tweet aged TREMENDOUSLY!!! It's still as fresh today as it was then.

[–]M3nt0RNJ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

4D chess bro. Outside of the constraints of time.

[–]Borchers34CT 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Time traveling God emperor confirmed!

[–]MakeThemWatchNY 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And there is the bigger question, if the investigation was started in July, when was the White House briefed? When did Obama know?

[–]grassshrimpNJ[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a great question than needs to be answered. You can bet Obama and his staff were briefed.

[–]cannonrocks 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I thought that Comey said they briefed the WH quarterly. Which means at least once before the election, maybe twice.

[–]MakeThemWatchNY 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah thy were supposed to brief congress quarterly as well but they never did that.

[–]Uhhuhthatsme 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I read an article by Rush Limbaugh about how he went back and watched footage of election night; the left was so sure they had this election in the bag and in doing so, essentially crushing Republicans/conservatives so that we never had a voice ever again. To the Left, they didn't just lose the election, they lost their hopes for total and utter domination of every aspect of American life. That's why they are acting like lunatics. It is really scary the lengths these people are going to to ruin Trump (and they would have acted this way about any Republican candidate). The last 8 years have completely destroyed the Left's sense of reality!

[–]SunwolfNCNC 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

CNN BREAKING NEWS DRUMPF CANNOT SPELL 'WAIT' CORRECTLY - IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS STARTING

[–]grassshrimpNJ[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I really think he does it intentionally in order to get more visibility on his tweet, and he comes off as a normal human being without 700 people vetting his every word. Who knows.

[–]SunwolfNCNC 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No doubt.

I can envision him, sitting up in bed at 2am, cookie crumbs on his night shirt, giggling to himself, as he puts out another troll post to spin the media up and get them talking about what he wants them to talk about.

8D chess...

[–]YourBobsUncleCAN 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he made a new tweet that fixed spelling.

[–]cannonrocks 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Quote from Maxine Waters

[–]14bowlingzMI 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I noticed this too, not a peep from the Dems until they lost. Sore losers

[–]grassshrimpNJ[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, a bunch of hypocrites.

[–]Chimpcandomyjob 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I appreciate how he drops crumbs for people to connect the dots for themselves. r/tarded in an.UPROAR over wiretap terminology, news outlets going crazy over his phrasing, and here he comes and uses small words to help them along.

[–]nodetteCA 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You missed the fact that Obama/Hillary/CIA/DeepState wanted to provoke war with Russia.

Using Russia as scapegoat for everything else is just killing two birds with one stone.

[–]SlothB77VA 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trump wasn't under investigation. Comey said that it isn't a crime to lie about whether there was an investigation or not. So when Comey said that there was an investigation going on since July, he was lying. There wasn't. The investigation is being created now to revise history.

[–]grassshrimpNJ[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now you given many of us even more to think about. The lies and spin vs. reality is getting very hard to sort through.

[–]stonesolo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A complete fuckery cover up....nice...!!

[–]haram_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Putin himself said the Russian narrative was a distraction from the real issues that we (Americans) need to address.

[–]inksdayNY 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lets be fair, Putin isn't really a trustworthy source, especially considering the situation.

[–]MissMarple2IN 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://thefederalistpapers.org/us/doj-finds-malware-on-trump-tower-server-designed-to-mimic-russia-ties

This article seems pertinent. Seems to me they were attempting a set-up. That's why so much "Russia" and all of the talk of impeachment.

Adding this: For months millions of Christians have been praying this Scripture verse: "No weapon formed against you shall prosper."

[–]Bloodylaser 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If hillary won then McCuck, Miss Lindsey, and Harry Reid wouldn't be crying.

[–]johnnycoinARMY 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is worse than that, the investigation has to continue and possibly even making up charges against people to cover it up, otherwise everyone will know the deep state is real.

[–]myvoicecountsonce 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

May I have a direct link to the tweet

[–]SagerToofMAGA 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wonder how many replies were insults from leftists about his typo. I'm willing to bet quite a few.

[–]benthamitemetric 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It was widely reported since July that Russia was meddling in the election (see, e.g., here, here, here, etc.). People here are now getting the timeline twisted because the claim eventually evolved into two separate misleading claims: (1) that Russia "hacked the election", which implies Russia either directly changed the election result or otherwise directly affected the election outcome, and (2) that the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia to effect the foregoing item no. 1.

The first claim is what Trump is responding to in the tweet. That's the claim that became the go-to criticism of the election result for his detractors. While there is no doubt that the Russians did meddle in the election (as Trump himself has told us), there is a disconnect between that conclusion and the claim that Russia hacked the election. To wit, as Comey testified on Monday, there is no evidence that the Russians directly altered any votes and there is no evidence that Russian meddling even influenced the outcome. (See transcript excerpt no. 1 below.) In fact, on the former, the FBI and NSA specifically told congress that they have not undertaken any analysis of the political effect of the meddling as it is beyond the scope of their ability and role. (See transcript excerpt no. 2 below.)

The second claim is something people are also getting twisted. The new development from Monday's hearing was that the FBI publicly acknowledged for the first time that its investigation of Russian meddling "includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government, and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts." (See transcript excerpt no. 3 below.) Comey never said that any specific individual or individuals were under investigation. For all we know, that investigation could simply focus on Russian outreach and the communications of Russian operatives without ever actually rising to the level of putting anyone associated with the Trump campaign under investigation. There is a difference between a person an alleged link between that person and a second person. You can investigate the latter without necessarily having the former under investigation so long as you have substantial knowledge about the second person.

The reason Comey testified about the existence of the offshoot investigation into coordination now is simply because now there is a congressional investigation into the same subject matter. (See transcript excerpt no. 3 below.) This is the same reason why Comey was able to acknowledge the Clinton investigation pre-election--there was a congressional investigation into the same subject at that time.

Here are some relevant excerpts from Monday's hearing that support the above:

1. Re no evidence of vote tampering:

HECK: Admiral Rogers, before I get into my main body in my remarks, I want to go back to your earlier comment about that there is no evidence to indicate that there was a successful Russian hacking of voter results or tabulations. What I did not hear you say is whether or not there had been any attempts to hack into election systems of any kind.

ROGERS: Yes.

COMEY: I can answer that because the FBI's responsibility's in the United States. We saw no indication of that. We saw efforts to penetrate voter registration databases, state Boards of Elections, at that level. We saw no efforts aimed at the vote itself.

HECK: But you did see efforts to penetrate registration roles?

COMEY: Correct.

HECK: Did you see efforts to penetrate any other portions of election systems, other than registrations? In this country it's a highly-decentralized system and, as a consequence, you will recall, then-Secretary of Homeland Security, Jeh Johnson, indicated that election systems should become a part of our critical infrastructure for cybersecurity purposes.

COMEY: Their efforts were aimed at the voter registration systems in various states, and it takes different forms in various states. Sometimes there's a private vendor, sometimes it's state. But it -- that's where it was focused, and not on the -- the vote itself, vote machines, vote tabulation, vote transmission, that we've seen.

2. Re no assessment of the impact of the meddling on the election:

STEWART: But that one judgment, that one is in a very important part of this report. And if I could make just this last point and this is an important point, I think. And that is the difficulty of determining motive. I mean, we can go back, we can look at facts. We can look at what happened. We can often determine who did it, who they did it with, when they did it. But to determine motive, you've got to crawl inside someone's head. And that's much, much more difficult. And in fact, quoting from the preamble in this report, talking about a leader's intentions. It says, this objective is difficult to achieve when seeking to understand complex issues in which foreign actors go to extraordinary lengths to hide and obfuscate their activities. Once again, we're trying to determine motive, which is very different -- difficult. Do you agree with that? The determining motive is one of the most difficult challenges when it comes to an intelligence analysis?

COMEY: I -- I do Mr. Stewart. And I should -- I should emphasize something that Admiral Rogers said earlier, we made no judgment on whether the Russians were successful in any way and having an impact on the election, I just wanna be clear. That -- that's not in report because we didn't opine on it. We didn't -- that's not within our -- our...

3. Comey's statement re the offshoot investigation into potential coordination:

COMEY: ... I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts. As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed.

Because it is an open ongoing investigation and is classified, I cannot say more about what we are doing and whose conduct we are examining. At the request of congressional leaders, we have taken the extraordinary step in coordination with the Department of Justice of briefing this Congress' leaders, including the leaders of this committee, in a classified setting in detail about the investigation but I can't go into those details here. I know that is extremely frustrating to some folks. I hope you and the American people can understand. The FBI is very careful in how we handle information about our cases and about the people we are investigating. ...