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[–]YosoffNatural Rights Conservative[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (20子コメント)

Here's the autistic screeching collected by the report button:

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1: hahaha nice meme FUCK THOSE TRANS people so hateful they shouldn't exist nice meme alt-rights
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[–]LumpyWumpus 2514 ポイント2515 ポイント  (459子コメント)

This is just ridiculous. No shit a man won the woman's lifting competition. Men are naturally bigger and stronger than women. That is completely unfair. Imagine what will happen in the 2020 Olympics if one country busts out a bunch of transgender people to stomp the women's sports. There are going to be problems that will arise because of this.

[–]TeddyCruzing 1126 ポイント1127 ポイント  (281子コメント)

I honestly hope China/Russia/some other country has a ton of men competing as women in the olympics and they get every gold. we'd finally have to have a real discussion on how men currently can't ever be women no matter how much hormones and penis mutilation they endure.

[–]TheGoatsMustBeCrazy 139 ポイント140 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I can't wait until China openly games the system. They are shameless in their pursuit for Olympic medals.

[–]Oneflewoverus 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It sells the message/propaganda to the people that the leadership and the country is the best. They value performance and results vs competition. Look at their culture for relationships and choosing partners. Achievement is a huge factor.

[–]whatisthishere 732 ポイント733 ポイント  (130子コメント)

Venus and Serena Williams were destroyed in a row by the #203 ranked mens tennis player. The sisters had created the challenge saying they could beat the #200 mens tennis player, after the loss they said they would try the #350 guy. The same guy ended up dropping to that rank and said he'd do a rematch, which I don't think happened.

The Williams sisters are enormous, if even they can't play tennis vs a guy, there is no hope for women competing against guys in sports. It's fine, almost every animal has a large dichotomy between the sexes, a female lion will never beat up a male lion.

Edit: I forgot the obvious one, professional female soccer players practice against high school male teams. We arguably have the best female soccer team in the world, and high school boys are a challenge. I think large high schools will have boys beating pretty much every female track and field world record. Writing this stuff kind of makes me feel bad, because it sounds like I have animosity, but I don't, it's just that nature has made us this way. Almost no male could ever be as good as Lebron James or Usain Bolt, no matter how hard they tried, so we all understand it.

[–]wbgraphic 345 ポイント346 ポイント  (25子コメント)

FYI, his name was Karsten Braasch.

Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple bottles of ice cold lager".

The matches took place after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two beers. He first beat Serena 6–1, then played Venus, winning 6–2.

[–]geneeva71 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you go and look at High school boys state records in the USA, they almost always have beaten the world records for Women in their respective sports.

15-17 year old boys all over the country are capable of beating the best of the best in women for the entire world.

Anyone who thinks Women can compete physically on equal grounds with men, are delusional.

[–]impulsivecactus 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would have to agree. I fully support a persons right to 'switch' genders as an adult. It's their life, not mine and I sure as hell won't lose sleep over it. But to think the victory by the person above is genuine is just wrong. I don't care if you want to call yourself a woman because you feel that's who you are, you still have the physical stature of a man and the testosterone that comes with it.

I coached hockey for years. We had a pretty decent 16 year old girls team and they couldn't handle our 14 boys team. And many of the boys were still starting/going through puberty and rather small. The girls looked like giants in comparison and it still didn't matter.

This isn't to say women can't be great athletes or in some sports even compete at the same level as men. There are definitely exceptional people, but they are few and far between.

[–]jordansgay [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think the discord in how people feel about the article posted above comes from how much the individual respects fair competition. A lot of people would see what that transwoman did and say, that's really cool that she did that, breaking all those records, why can't you just let her have this fun moment? While other people see it as extremely unfair to all of the other girls competing in the comp, and that in sports and anything involving physical comparisons between men and women that men are just naturally stronger and to have those two sexes compete against each other physically isn't fair.

[–]Palentir [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'd be good even with intermural sports. I think that's reasonable. But this stuff has broken the idea of a women's sports league. There won't be any women getting scholarships on sports in college as any coach who wants to win will look for trans women who will be bigger, stronger and faster. That will keep a lot of poorer women, especially minority women off college campuses. Not everyone can get an academic scholarship, and other scholarships can be a lifeline for kids wanting a future.

[–]Zreaz 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yea, as an average "states" level XC runner in high school, I would've been right on the line for auto-qualifying into the Olympics if I was a female. Would easily be fast enough for many small countries. It's really just silly when people say females are just as strong overall as males.

[–]mstry 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (8子コメント)

My wife's cousin's grade 10 ice hockey team (all guys) won a chance to play the Canadian Women's Olympic hockey team who were fresh off their Gold medal win at the Vancouver Winter Olympics... The grade 10 team won.

[–]ConsulDragon [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

I always wonder if the female pro teams in these stories were actually playing as hard as they could or letting the kids win. Not necessarily directed at you, OP, but at this sort of anecdote in general.

[–]Dsnake1 [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Yeah, I feel from a technique standpoint, the Olympic hockey team would just be able to shit all over the youth team. Hockey isn't all about athleticism, and unless this was one of the better U16/U17 teams in Canada, I don't know how realistic it is that the pros were going full bore.

Besides, did any of them want to risk their health in a what amounts to a publicity stunt?

[–]Pewpewkitty 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Back in high school when I was a senior, our guys team scrimmaged against the girls team. Right off the kickoff I'm standing about 30 ft from the ball. The girls kick it back and I start running to the ball half-assed. As the play develops and a girl runs behind me, the girl with the ball passes the ball and it hits me right in the junk. Walked straight to the bench about 15 seconds into the scrimmage. Moral of this story is that we stomped the girls team, but they did have their small victory.

[–]tilouswag 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Ever since I saw the Women's world cup I've been imagining my HS team playing against them.

[–]Xacloman 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Same. Not me, but there were a couple guys on my team in HS that I'm positive could have trashed the women's team.

[–]Besuh 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (9子コメント)

To be fair highschool boy teams tend to win through sheer athleticism. I've actually been fortunate to play against some WC women's players, and a MLS player. They had great skill and great vision, just obviously couldn't keep up.

[–]reckful994 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (5子コメント)

How "skillful" a player is in soccer is related to athleticism in a way that makes skill and athleticism hard to distinguish. The faster one runs, the more precise one must be with dribbling, first touch, and setting up for a shot. The faster defenders run, the more space they cover- consequently, one has to make decisions faster and has less margin of error for their touch. Watch the top rated women's players + teams and observe how much time and space they have on the ball compared to a 3rd or 4th tier English men's team for example.

You can't separate skill and vision from athleticism- how do you know where to draw the line?

[–]Xacloman [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I disagree. In my experience players can gain a lot of athleticism in a short time while maintaining the same skill. My best friend did this in highschool.

[–]73297 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You disagree with what? They gave specific descriptions of the process and you say "no but I had a friend once". Lol.

[–]Integrs [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm an average soccer player at best, but played in a co-ed league a few years back and one of our opponents had a couple of girls who'd played for the national junior team (US). Let me tell you I had more issues playing against most of their male teammates than I did against these two.
They had beautiful touches, great movement, and technique, but no speed or physicality. Kinda makes you realize how important the physical part of any game really is.

[–]geneeva71 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Absolutely.

Most states in the USA the high school records for boys is better than the world records for women, in their respective sports.

[–]Wissix 148 ポイント149 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Well, to be fair, the sisters were 16 and 17 years old, respectively, playing a 31 year old man. Definitely not peak Williams sisters' performance years, but hey. The overconfidence of youth.

[–]craftychap 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The reverse with Soccer, the Australian national women's team played under 15's club and got beat 7-0:

Australian women's national Soccer team 'The Matildas' beaten 7-0 by under 15's boys team

[–]therealflinchy 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not peak performance years for the guy either

But. Actually pretty close to peak for the sisters.

[–]gooberpoobutt 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The dude played a round of golf and downed 2 beers before playing them.

[–]AnArcticTaco 126 ポイント127 ポイント  (3子コメント)

lol that's actually an important detail

[–]StrawRedditor 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Almost no male could ever be as good as Lebron James or Usain Bolt, no matter how hard they tried, so we all understand it.

I mean it's really obvious, but I've never actually thought about it like that. People always seem to compare these female athletes to your "Average guy" and think: 'Well, it's not that big of a difference".

But really, it's not an average guy, it's not even an above average guy... it's an absolute freak of nature guy who puts 99.9999% of other dudes to shame.

[–]Bensemus 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (2子コメント)

To qualify for the men's olympic 100m finals the men had to post times better than the woman's world record. 10.16s and 10.49s respectively.

[–]KyleOrtonAllDay 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (24子コメント)

A Reddit admin is currently throwing his little sausage into one of those. She probably holds him down and chokes him the entire time.

[–]abnalahad 145 ポイント146 ポイント  (20子コメント)

"One of those" chill man they've got names

[–]KyleOrtonAllDay 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (18子コメント)

One of those sisters. I can't remember which one and I don't care enough to look it up.

[–]pureply101 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Serena Williams is hot and I refuse for people to say otherwise

[–]gdmfr 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]TheAtomicOptionLibertarian 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The court of arbitration for sport

The what now? Why would the Olympic committee submit to their authoritah?

produce evidence proving exactly how much of an advantage hyperandrogenic runners had over everyone else

ಠ_ಠ They really think this hasn't already been proven?

It's not as if there isn't already a rule against doping with T. /s

[–]thebearsandthebees 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"The Russians rigged The Olympics" will become the narrative

[–]sjn2203 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (10子コメント)

That would literally be fucking hysterical!

[–]lemonpartydeplorable 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (9子コメント)

can you really use the word "literally" when the next word is "fucking"... if you aren't talking about sexual intercourse

[–]Barnes_the_Noble 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If we're talking literal, is "be" not a word anymore?

[–]isamudragon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well you know the Russians, they may be fucking during the award ceremony while laughing hysterically

[–]jethroboom 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (75子コメント)

The progressive population would be speechless.

[–]FactsTrumpFeelings 113 ポイント114 ポイント  (54子コメント)

You mean the party of science would have to acknowledge biology, and not sociology, as the more legitimate form of science? Blasphemy. I prefer sacrificing basic truths so people can warp objective reality around their subjective view of themselves.

[–]NonsensicalOrange 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Almost everyone agrees that it is biological, only radicals claim otherwise. What you are talking about is precisely that, people changing their physical biology with hormones and surgery to be more like the opposite gender. Gender is also represented in sociology, which is why they change their behaviour, clothes, etc. Unfortunately the change isn't physically perfect, just remember it's not a reason to harass someone else, they are just trying to be themselves.

[–]FactsTrumpFeelings [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Sure, bullying of any kind is wrong. The problem I have with modern transgenderism is 1) you don't have to physically change anything about yourself to be transgender now. You can simply say you're one of 58+ genders and it is suddenly so. For years feminists argued women were valuable assets to the work force because they had something unique to offer (true) but now men are women and women are men with supposedly no difference between them. Yet for some reason we need a women president by virtue of her gender? Well....why? 2) When it comes to my language and use of pronouns, I'm not the one demanding something from someone else, it is them demanding something of me. If an honest effort is made, ill most likely use a person's natural appearing pronoun. If an effort in transitioning has not been made, I will honestly just avoid that person so I can avoid being attacked as a bully for refusing to play these language games. Eventually trans people will realize their pursuits for infinite pronouns, of which hold very little linguistic value or symbol of anything beyond shorthand of broad grouping, will only lead to most people avoiding them.

[–]-Rcham 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Yes because everyone that doesn't support a narcissistic anti-intellectual politically thinks that there are 20+ genders and finger bangs themselves to Hillary Clinton. Some people actually adhere to logic instead of prescribed black and white political positions

[–]-Rcham 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Progressive" here, not speachless. Men are biologicaly different than women, this is in line with reality. Calling yourself pro-american while supporting the removal of infrastructure and education funding that is essential to keeping our citizens healthy and educated is not.

Don't assume that everyone that disagrees with you is a made up stereotype. It isn't rational and keeps us from focusing on what is best for our country.

[–]Jhonopolis 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Me too, and I hope they don't even try to make them appear to be women. Just straight up men calling themselves women that absolutely crush every single event.

[–]_CarlosDanger69 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

that won't happen because russians are bigots and hate gays&lesbians.

russians will continue doing what they are good at: doping

[–]Oneflewoverus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is very accurate. The machismo mentality of the culture does not allow them to be tolerant of lgbt population. China, now they don't give a fuck as long as you bring gold home.

[–]Cafris 212 ポイント213 ポイント  (47子コメント)

Yeah this is crazy. I remember a transgender girl entered all these track and field events as a high school senior and shattered all the records. I have no idea how the news articles were reporting it with straight faces.

[–]Kinda1OfAKind 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (45子コメント)

Ya, I remember reading about that. There was also a highschool wrestler that is ftm, who wrestles girls. And stomps them.

To be fair "he" wants to wrestle boys, but NCAA rules that the sex on your birth certificate determines who you play with.

[–]Atomheartmother90 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Right. I am a man. I am large (6'4" 240lb). Any a hypothetical situation, no matter what I did, dressed like a woman, identified as a woman, took estrogen, took testosterone blockers, even cut my damn dick off. I am still 6'4" and 240lb. I am still going to outclass any female competitor by a large margin. My skeletal system is larger, my muscles are bigger, and my cardiovascular system pumps more blood. No matter how I much I want to be a woman, I am still biologically a man. I therefor should compete with men, or a specific transgender group. Competing with women is just unfair to those who are biologically woman, and compete with women.

[–]mszegedyCentrist 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Really. It's an easy fix to the format, too:

  • Events for people without a Y chromosome
  • Events for people with a Y chromosome

No discussion of gender needed.

[–]Btk258 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If i could have competed in the weightlifting for women. I would have made the final round, I wouldn't have medaled. But I am not a weightlifter, I lift 4 days a week for an hour, not 7 days a week 8 hours a day like the women who competed. It's totally unfair for men to compete with women. I work out one twentieth of the time for better results.

[–]rationalcomment1st Amendment Absolutist 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (26子コメント)

On average, in adult males, levels of testosterone are about 7–8 times as great as in adult females.

No amount of "we're all equal" ideological drivel can ever change the reality of the ridiculous genetic advantage men have over women in physical strength potential.

[–]mithrandir1314[S] 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (28子コメント)

Indeed. The Olympic Committee is going to have their hands full with this crap soon.

[–]JonZ1618 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You know the IOC has been doing sex-testing for a while now, yeah?

[–]raen22 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (17子コメント)

The Olympic Committee adopted a policy regarding this approximately 13 years ago.

  • Surgical changes must have been completed, including external genitalia changes and removal of gonads.

  • Legal recognition of their assigned sex must have been conferred by appropriate official authorities.

  • Hormone therapy -- for the assigned sex -- must have been given for long enough to minimize any gender-related advantages in sport competitions, a period that must be at least two years after gonadectomy.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/SPORT/05/17/olympics.transsexual/

"This crap" still pertains to human beings. At least try to give them some modicum of respect, regardless of your views on transgender people competing in sports.

[–]lightwell 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (4子コメント)

There are still certain advantages even years later. The hip structure, the way the upper body developed, and thicker tendons and ligaments. This is all on average, exceptional people all have their own results, but on average it holds true.

I power lift. My lifts would make me a state champion if I was a female in the same weight class, I'm nothing special in the men's arena. If I got hormones and a sex change I wouldn't even have to get stronger, I would just need to stay the same or not lose much strength.

[–]rtothewin 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I mentioned somewhere I thought it would be funny if a company of all white males made a company and then claimed all sorts of minority statuses since the owner identifies as female and black and so on, would be great.

[–]TheGoatsMustBeCrazy 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I've often said that Trump should simply claim he has the first majority female cabinet in history and watch heads explode.

[–]Molly_Battleaxe 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pistorius had fucking robot legs and they let his ass run and win

[–]tlbane 1020 ポイント1021 ポイント  (177子コメント)

Liberal here. Yeah, that's some bullshit. If we're all cool with having separate events for men and women, then the next step is to have a separate competition for transgender people just like we have a separate event for disabled people (special olympics and paralympics)... just don't expect anyone to watch/care.

[–]dermographics 539 ポイント540 ポイント  (73子コメント)

Yeah same. Liberal from /r/all. 100% for transgender rights but come on, competing like this is totally wrong.

[–]AidanHU4L 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (34子コメント)

So should trans men compete as women?

Or are the testosterone levels of Trans men and cis women are equal? Because that's obviously not true

Edit: many of you have commented that the situation would be solved if we just let only cis women compete in the women's category, leaving trans men and women to compete in the men's category

Do y'all.. Not understand that testosterone makes you stronger? After around 5 months on estrogen while my friend had 3 months of testosterone, he came to be able to easily overpower me.

Reguardless of how puberty effected both of us, he had a chemical that makes him very strong and I have a chemical that makes my muscles weak and achey. The idea that even though my testosterone levels are equal to cis women's Im still as strong as cis and trans men is innane

[–]RandomWeirdo [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

interesting case, because i think they would be disqualified for doping if they tried. Maybe the solution is to make a transgender league

[–]Widdox [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

In Texas a trans boy was made to compete against girls due to birth certificate. He started taking treatments two years before and was still allowed to compete and won the state wrestling title. If you're a biological girl taking testosterone then you shouldn't be able to compete. Maybe they're right, we need a trans league?

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/us/texas-transgender-wrestler-trnd-hold/

[–]Laughs_at_fat_people [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

In that case, the boy (who transitioned from a girl) was forced to compete against girls because he was biologically a female. He then won the competition. But he wanted and tried to wrestle other boys but the state said you have to wrestle the same sex as you were born.

[–]RandomWeirdo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

in my mind this should be considered doping and it's damn difficult to figure out what to do. It's a new thing in our society and we have to find a solution where people compete fairly and no one wins because they have an advantage due to the hormones in their body

[–]tfizzle 121 ポイント122 ポイント  (48子コメント)

I agree but that doesn't fit the narrative that gender identity isn't set. And that gender has nothing to do with biology.

I'm socially ok with whatever people want to do. But I don't buy into gender fluidity as the way it's becoming taught/defined among the more liberal collegiate professors (such as using the wrong pronoun is an attack or hate crime. If I screw it up just say "hey, I'd rather be called ________." And I'd say, "oh, sorry. I'll try and remember next time"). It's crazy talk IMO.

[–]mainfingertopwise 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (20子コメント)

If we're going to separate gender and sex, that's fine. But maybe the top levels of athletics will be based on sex, not gender. Not being able to compete in the Olympics is hardly the biggest sacrifice people in that situation have to make.

[–]LondonCallingYou 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I agree but that doesn't fit the narrative that gender identity isn't set. And that gender has nothing to do with biology

Not even the most radical "nurture over nature" sociologist truly thinks this. 99% of the time, gender and sex coincide directly, where the gender you identify with matches your genitalia. That doesn't mean that everyone's gender, determined by the biology of their brain, will coincide with their sex, determined by their chromosomes. Some small percentage of people truly are transgender.

I'm socially ok with whatever people want to do. But I don't buy into gender fluidity as the way it's becoming taught/defined among the more liberal collegiate professors (such as using the wrong pronoun is an attack or hate crime. If I screw it up just say "hey, I'd rather be called ________." And I'd say, "oh, sorry. I'll try and remember next time"). It's crazy talk IMO.

I know a few Sociology professors that would fit into the "radical leftist" category, and they would 100% agree with you on what to do when meeting a transgender person. Saying "sorry I slipped up, I'll try to remember to use she/he for you instead" is exactly the correct way to act in this situation, because interacting with transgender people is new and abnormal for most people so it's hard to get it right all of the time.

I also agree with you that "gender fluidity", in the sense of non-binary gender or gender fluid people, is pretty hard for me to accept. I haven't seen sufficient scientific evidence for it.

But yeah, I don't think many serious people would claim that men aren't stronger than women biologically, due to their sex chromosomes, gene expression, and hormones.

[–]aerosrcsm 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the people that are pushing that are such a small set of the population you need to ignore them.

[–]Jerrywelfare 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (13子コメント)

All separate events for Trans people would equate to is the people born male winning, and the people born female getting their asses handed to them. Fast forward 20 more years and they'll be demanding to be able to compete with people of their own natural gender. I don't see the highest levels of sport competition ever entertaining the idea of letting a male compete against females, or visa versa.

[–]tempinator 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

All separate events for Trans people would equate to is the people born male winning, and the people born female getting their asses handed to them.

Other way around, I think. If someone is born female, that means they're now male and are taking a shitload of testosterone and stuff, which is going to make them a lot more muscular than someone who used to naturally produce testosterone but is now taking estrogen.

Like, go look up female bodybuilders who are on steroids, it doesn't matter what your gender is, if you're pumping yourself full of testosterone every day you're going to be able to cultivate some serious muscle mass.

[–]cXo_Ironman_dXy 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Same. Liberal from r/all. This is some bullshit. I brought it up in front of my gf and roommate and they simply didn't want to hear. "THEY are a girl, end of story"

Like no it fucking isn't. I'm so fucking liberal and fight for this freedom all the time. Way more than them too. What the actual fuck

[–]jonnydanger1 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think every liberal feels this way. This isn't fair to the women who aren't physically men.

[–]Jmsaint 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've been saying for a while, we should just have one competition for everyone, if everyone is perfectly equal it shouldn't matter.

If you want separate competitions then you can't complain if the prize money is different, especially if you choose to play a shorter format (looking at you tennis...)

[–]fartonmyballsforcash 627 ポイント628 ポイント  (65子コメント)

It doesn't matter how much estrogen any male to female transgender person takes. Men have larger muscles, and you can't change that. I feel bad for the legit competitors.

[–]rationalcomment1st Amendment Absolutist 421 ポイント422 ポイント  (14子コメント)

[–]MastaSchmitty 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Ughhhhhhhhhhhh not Assigned Male :(

Lack of purpose aside, the art is objectively terrible

[–]PumaplayssdClassical Liberal (Conservative) 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Squirtle Squirtle!

[–]Zone86 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (31子コメント)

I'm not sure if that's correct, but no amount of estrogen and testosterone blockers will change your skeletal structure (i.e. bone density), which definitely will give her an unfair strength advantage

[–]Sumner67 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (17子コメント)

that is correct. just biology.

According to a 1999 study published in Journal of Applied Physiology, men have more skeletal muscle mass compared to women.

According to a 2004 study published in American Physiology Society, the skeletal muscles of men are faster and render higher maximum output compared to women’s skeletal muscles.

[–]llllllllllllIIIIII 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Plus men have stronger and denser bones. And a higher ratio type II to type I muscle fibers than women. And a higher percentage of red blood cells, more hemoglobin, larger lung to body mass ratio, faster reaction times, and lower body fat percentage. The advantages men, on average, have over women when it comes to athletics goes much further than just muscle mass.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/

https://www.livestrong.com/article/509536-muscular-strength-in-women-compared-to-men/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_human_physiology

[–]diabeetusboy 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Got in an argument about this with my roommate (who is actually conservative) I was shocked that this wasn't common fucking sense. He still thinks he's right.

[–]MZ603Centrist 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's more accurate. Less testosterone = less (or harder to 'cultivate') mass.

[–]execute-order-69 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I remember reading a study that showed the average man is stronger than 99.9% of women. Unless this dude started estrogen treatments as a child, he already had a pretty advantageous starting point.

[–]NeoxideReagan Conservative 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

If the average man is stronger than 99.9% of women then a male powerlifter is likely stronger than 100% of women and probably at least 95% of men

[–]tamati_nz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's an interesting comparison - I'm a 'keen gym goer' and have been for years (middle aged male now - weight train 1hr 3-4 times per week / no special diet or supplements. 5 foot 7 and around 90kg). I met one of the top female rugby players (Portia Woodman) and her best squat matches mine - 170kg. I've seen a video of Valerie Adams (NZ gold medal shot putter 6 foot 4 and 120kg) doing a 160kg bounce bench press - my best is 155kg non bounce. So these women's numbers are damned impressive (they are not dedicated weight lifters) but its also puts it in perspective when 'little `ol me' can match them.

[–]_Cjr [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There are probabaly only a few thousand women if that many, that are stronger than you.

My semi above average highschool track times are competitive to women's Olympic track times.

[–]Neosovereign 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are close, it is that 90% of women are weaker than 95% of men. Hard to extrapolate out completely though.

[–]areyoufukangkidding 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have male and female divisions for some reason, I forget exactly why. Oh yeah this shit right here. If we're going to let people cross the floor because they decide they want to, why have the divisions at all?

[–]sum_force 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I believe that the evidence doesn't really support that.

In order to compete, a transgender woman must be on cross hormone therapy for at least one year prior to qualifying for their sport, and their levels of testosterone - the male hormone that diminishes when transitioning to a woman - must be below a reading of 10 nanomols per litre in their bodies to give them similar hormonal levels as cisgender women.

...

Joanna Harper started hormone therapy to suppress her testosterone levels in August 2004. “Within weeks I was running markedly slower.

“In three months, I lost 90 per cent of the speed that I would lose.

“And by nine months I ran my first race as Joanna, my first official race. I was over 30 seconds per kilometre slower. As a percentage I was running 12 per cent slower. And men are approximately 10 - 12 percent faster than women.

“I had lost my full male advantage in nine months of hormones.”

Joanna Harper’s study, which surveyed eight transgender women runners, found the same thing across the board.

...

In other words, hormone therapy had fairly levelled their performance to their new gender. Having a different birth gender to the category they were competing in gave them no clear advantage.

From the relevant article: http://www.abc.net.au/triplej/programs/hack/transgender-athletes/7669902

In a sport like weightlifting where testosterone would be a huge advantage and where being taller due to being born male is actually a disadvantage, I imagine that testosterone suppression is very effective at ensuring a fair competition.

[–]LofAd 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's pretty anecdotal, just like the article in the OP really.

The one you linked is even quoted as saying this in the article:

Distance running is one thing. For other sports, Joanna says, the delineation isn’t quite as clear.

Like basketball - where height is definitely an advantage for athletes. Hormone therapy won’t make a transgender woman shorter.

“There are definitely sports in which transgender women have somewhat of an advantage. But there are also sports like gymnastics where transgender women are never going to be successful. There will never be an elite trans woman gymnast.”

If trans women can never be gymnasts but can in fact be (successful) weightlifters, runners and MMA fighters doesn't it just reinforce the idea that trans women are in fact not actual women and shouldn't be competing against them?

[–]tempinator 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Men have larger muscles, and you can't change that.

Well, men only have larger muscles because of the testosterone they produce.

I'm not sure what sort of operations this person had undergone by that point, but if he (she?) had his testicles removed and was receiving estrogen instead then he wouldn't actually have larger muscles.

That said, considering he developed to an adult as a male, there's just no question that having a male skeletal structure/bone density is going to provide you with an unfair advantage, even if he doesn't have an unfair advantage anymore in terms of muscle mass.

Pretty fucking dumb if you ask me. People can be transgender, get a sex change, whatever. I'm not going to tell them what to do. But if you get a sex change, don't fucking compete as an athlete lol that's just flat out retarded and violates every sane rule of fair play. If you seriously want to compete in athletic events as a transgender person, then create transgender leagues or something, that's the only equitable and fair way to do it, in my opinion.

[–]Shadolanas 100 ポイント101 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Hail, Hail Robonia: a land I didn't make up."

[–]proteios1 298 ポイント299 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I think they figured out how to dominate the womens sports. Have men win it for them. What a major step forward for feminism.

[–]Aramahn 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean us guys are already gaming the system in Women of the year awards. Next step, major sports. We gotta really show the world that the best woman for any job is a man.

/s

[–]nintendump64 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wasn't there a futurama episode about this?

[–]Bensemus 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yep. Bender got a sex change so he could continue to compete in the women's bending competitions. The show exaggerated the difference between the two sexs for comedic effect. The men were bending multiple "unbendable" metal I-beams while the women were struggling to bend cloths hangers.

[–]easyRyder9 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Should be noted that Bender didn't receive the sex change until after the events because he was about to be tested. He competed as a full male.

[–]weetchexLibertarian Conservative 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Just be glad it was a strength sport and not an actual combat sport.

[–]llllllllllllIIIIII 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's crazy that three of her opponents weren't even notified that she was trans. I don't have anything against trans people, but Fallon Fox should not be allowed to fight women. The hormone replacement therapy isn't enough to remove the advantages men have. It's not all about testosterone.

[–]ArchangelGregAbbott [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Can you imagine being a girl wrestling another girl and putting your hands on the crotch (typical in wrestling) and getting a dick and balls? I would have fucking freaked the fuck out.

[–]TheGoatsMustBeCrazy 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah, the reality is that this "biology doesn't matter" BS is going to get somebody hurt.

Here is the first woman to play in the Arena Football League getting blown up three times at the goal line:

https://youtu.be/10Mt4K8LB2g

[–]skittlesfortiddles 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jesus, she flew like a leaf in the wind

[–]Ruckaduck [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

as someone whos played hockey with chicks before, its usually cause the guys go easy on them, one skirmish during practice they said not to take it easy on them, we just laid them out 3 times before the coach stepped in saying to cut it out cause someones going to get hurt.

[–]GhostSheSends [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The Jets let a female kicker try out for them a few years ago. She hurt herself in warm ups and her kicks didn't even make it 20 yards. Kickers now aren't even very well prepared to be in the game after their foot comes off the ball so I can only imagine how poorly that could have went.

[–]30105090103 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As a dad with a girl, I'd be absolutely mortified if I wasn't notified in advance my daughter was fighting a male. Like, shit, when I was growing in the 90s my friend and I got into a brawl and we fuck each other up pretty bad. This was 5th grade. (We're bffs still, its ok).

A 5th grade boy would make fighting a girl look like a WWE piledriver move blood all over, broken bones.

[–]cool_dude42 [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

There was a girl in my high school that insisted on playing football.

Coach didn't want to put her in any contact drills.

She complains to the principal that her rights are being infringed on.

She goes in, gets destroyed and suffers a major concussion that in turn forces her to drop out of high school and live a life with brain damage.

I don't care what your political views are, males and females do not mix in sports.

[–]I_am_jacks_reddit 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm all for trans people living the life style they want it doesn't hurt me at all but this is bullshit. It's completely not fair to all the real biological women who busted their butts to be the best.

[–]Commander-Will-Riker [スコア非表示]  (19子コメント)

Filthy liberal here.

Okay, we have different perspectives on politics, but come the fuck on. Can the far left get a grip? No one's bullying this transgender. But to allow this person to compete with a huge advantage just because he/she feels feminine, is ridiculous.

[–]gimme_them_cheese 203 ポイント204 ポイント  (72子コメント)

Transwoman here, I come in peace! I subscribe to this subreddit as a counterbalance to r/politics and just wanted to give my two cents based on my own experience transitioning.

I've always been an athlete and on the whole physically active. When I started taking estrogen and testosterone blockers, my physical strength TANKED. I couldn't help people move furniture anymore, I couldn't run as fast as I previously could, and it was exhausting trying to move an average male frame around (5'10" 185 lbs) with decreased muscle strength.

My body eventually adjusted because I kept working out and exercising but I'll never be as strong or as fast as I used to be. I know a lot of people in the far left want to say hormones don't matter but they really do make a competitive difference.

[–]boobobobobobobopoot 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (9子コメント)

While you will not be as strong as before you took the hormone therapy, would you say that you are still stronger than the non-transgender women in the same sports that you do or on par?

[–]TristiePixie [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Not OP, but in seven months I went from average guy strength and opening jars like a sexy magician to getting trapped between my wall and the mattress and nearly having my arm ripped out of my socket when losing arm wrestling to all my female friends. I lost 15-20 pounds of muscle the first month. Hormones are no joke! However it affects everyone dramatically differently. Note that it also affects skin, vein size, and blood flow (more flow to core than arms / legs), and center of gravity.

Muscle before, Muscle 7 months later (NSFW)

I have about 3 more years of changes to go.

[–]Starrystars 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (33子コメント)

Can you expand more on how the hormones changed your body? It just seems super interesting and I've never really had someone to ask about it before.

[–]raen22 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Not sure if she ever replied, but I'm a transwoman as well (hormones for ~8 years, post-surgery ~1 year). I'd be happy to answer any questions you have.

Just to cover some of the larger effects:

  • Greatly decreased muscle mass.

  • Fat redistribution from male collection areas to female collection areas (hips/butt/thighs/chest/etc.)

  • More emotional

  • Thinner, softer skin, and as a result, being cold more often.

  • Body odor changes.

That's the most I can think of off the top of my head at 2 AM unfortunately.

Like I said, I'd be happy to answer any other questions you had.

[–]sourc3original [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

What? Nobody is saying transwomen are as strong as men, we're just saying that they're stronger than normal women, which is a fact.

[–]SiegemereofCatarina 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (8子コメント)

How do you feel about the transwoman who broke the eye socket of a woman in MMA? They brutalized the women they fought because of naturally superior strength. If you need the source it's been posted several times in this thread. I'm not trying to be antagonistic but there's clearly an advantage to the transwomen over born women.

[–]raen22 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Using the term "brutalized" seems a bit sensationalist to be completely honest, especially in regards to an MMA fight, and seems to only serve as a way to vilify her for something that was completely sanctioned. That being said...

In the video I saw, Brents (the opponent) took multiple knees and an uncounted number of elbows/fists to the face, resulting in a broken eye socket. That part of the matter seems pretty cut and dry to me. If it were two genetic women, and one woman were to repeatedly knee/elbow/punch her opponent in the face, I honestly don't see how the outcome would be any different.

In regards to her being trans, I just have a few observations:

At the time of the fight, she was approximately 9 years post-op. So for 9 years, barring juicing or something similar, her testosterone levels had been the same as, or lower, than genetic females.

And that's just the known time span regarding her surgery. It doesn't mention how long she was on Hormone Replacement Therapy before that (at least one year according to the Standards of Care for transgender surgeries). So, a minimum of 10 years of completely supplanting the male hormones in her body with female hormones. Which is well within the time frame established in the IOC's policy regarding transgender athletes. (I realize they're different governing bodies/sports, but I still feel it's relevant, especially given the broad nature of events at the Olympic games).

In regards to a bone density argument, there's really no way for us to know. The University of California - San Francisco states that:

Studies investigating BMD in transgender women receiving hormones have shown both lower, higher and no change in bone density after initiating hormones.[4-11]

http://transhealth.ucsf.edu/trans?page=guidelines-bone-health

As an aside, bone density can also vary between races, with black males typically having a higher bone density than white males, but the argument that the two shouldn't be matched against each other is never made.

Regarding a size/stature argument, just from a casual glances during the video, they seem to be of similar height/build. So I really feel that an argument regarding testosterone's effects on her skeletal structure prior to beginning HRT can't be made.

Just to kind of sum up I guess...Does the transgender athlete in question (in this case, Fallon) fall within "normal" variances for similar genetic athletes? In my opinion, judging on what I've seen regarding that fight, she absolutely does. Hell, they didn't even know she was trans until 2 years prior (which is a completely different can of worms to be honest). Given that, I feel that this fight in particular was just an example of one opponent out-classing another. The fact that she was transgender seems to have had little to do with it.

[–]TristiePixie 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (4子コメント)

As a transwoman who has been on hormones for 7 months and lost all of her strength and gets her ass handed to her in all things physical, it's going to depend heavily on the individual, their genetics, liver metabolism, neurological sensitivity, the impact of first puberty and if it wasn't blocked, when they first started hormones, which makes this a big gray area. Testosterone levels alone aren't a good measure. What about your sensitivity to Testosterone? Or how long testosterone induced changes remain? Even a rule "you have to be on HRT for this long and have bottom surgery so you no longer can produce it" isn't a good indicator because people transition wildly and their bodies handle hormone replacement differently. Some will feminize several factors faster than other women. Some don't see changes for years, others are steamrolled by overwhelming physical and mental changes that make it hard to function normally while they adapt. (Such as in my case)

ALSO it's not just about testosterone and muscle. It's about how much feminizing by Estrogen has taken place (not levels, which have don't represent actual change that's taken place) which timeline is wildly different between trans women. There are huge differences there. And some changes can't be reversed or take decades. Which pelvis bone do you think has the advantage? She went from pushing her male body to its limits which it learned to maintain and then switched over to being female while still training her body and not losing the muscle and regaining it. In this case... it seems unfair. EDIT: After watching the video of her competition, yeah, holy fuck, that's not fair at all. She transitioned at 30 after training as male for years, is still walking with her upper body (center of gravity / pelvis rotation hasn't completely changed), her ribcage and shoulders are wide and huge, and when the weight is above her head she has essentially a male stance and frame and lung capacity. 2 years with that body mass after all that training at that age isn't going to be enough. I'm glad she's discovered her true self but... this is not fair to anyone in this competition. Here's a picture of her and her team-mates.

When it comes to competition, muscle density and bone density should be looked at carefully, along with other estrogen feminization traits (such as pelvis rotation, center of gravity, blood flow, vein size, fat distribution) along with requiring bottom surgery. (So they can no longer produce testosterone for easy doping) It's a messy, messy gray area and depends on the individual. If they have any kind of advantage from their time having a male body, then no they shouldn't compete. Otherwise, hormones and genetics can get you within competition range with cis-women in your height and weight range. Or in my case, worse than cis-women. Last month I was found crying trapped between my mattress and the wall.

It's a huge gray area, more evaluations are needed, as honestly testosterone levels aren't likely enough. Personally, despite being liberal and transgender, I don't feel pride watching these videos (this doesn't seem... like the point of taking hormones or the supposed wanted effects of estrogen - I lost all desire to compete and loved losing all my muscle and gaining a girly frame... but I know everyone is different and I'm SUPER feminine. There are definitely trans tom girls) and worry about backlash to the trans community when the public sees it, especially if they see strong male features and they are aggressively dominating the competition. Any kind of ignorance makes this look terrible, and people just like the meme above describes even though it's more complicated. It's great they are following their dreams, but there is actual science to contend with, and more research and testing needed to determine at what point do trans women no longer have an advantage. In my case, seven months is all it took to find me crying under the sink trying to get a pickle jar lid off.

In the meantime, it's going to be a big gray messy area everyone is going to fight over.

[–]driggs333 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Not who you responded to but I looked into it a year or two ago when I saw about the male to female MMA fighter that someone else posted here. Basically after like six or seven years you're really not that much different, in terms of hormone levels, strength to weight ratio, etc., but there's still the inherent advantage of a larger frame, greater bone density. I'm talking out my ass but I imagine they would have some increased muscle mass too. So a decent advantage over a woman but not 100% comparable to a guy vs a girl. Pretty interesting stuff about how the body adapts. I'd link but I'm lazy and on mobile.

[–]saratogacv60Fiscal Conservative 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

In mma having man hands and man bone structure alone is going to give you a big advantage.

[–]llllllllllllIIIIII 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention reaction time being an advantage. I don't know if there are any studies on reaction time of transwoman though.

[–]driggs333 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, in mma larger frame and man hands are a huge advantage. Obviously it varies by sport and by person but I was speaking more in general; the mma story is just what got me interested.

[–]ModeratorsAreDouches 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I don't entirely disagree with what you're saying, but transwomen are stronger than regular women. That's just a fact. If you were born a man, and then swap genders, you are still physically different. There's no arguing about that. It's no coincidence these transwomen are breaking records. They are physically to a large degree still men.

If transgendered individuals want to compete in sports, fairly, there needs to be a separate category.

[–]Samuelgin 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

in the case of athletes such as her, as testosterone is present in women but in lower levels than men, wouldn't the fact that her body originally produced it in larger quantities even with hormone therapy be a huge advantage? I obviously can't talk from experience or discredit your own (I'm sincerely not trying to) but she still seems to be on the testosterone-heavy side. breaking all those records as a former man suggests that even with hormone therapy that she is basically at the equivalent testosterone level of juicing.

like in sports, obviously some competitors have a naturally higher level of testosterone that gives them an advantage, but I feel like having lived most of her life as a naturally massive producer of the hormone (as compared to her non trans competitors) is an unfair advantage.

i can't pretend to know what a solution is to trans people being involved in gendered athletics and it's not fair to take away that part of someone's lifestyle, but at the very least I feel that in these cases there should be an asterisk next to strength-heavy accomplishments by former men competing as transitioned women. I don't want to seem like I'm up in arms about it bc for all the problems trans people have to face this seems pretty low on the list and to really be upset about it would be petty of me but I can't help but feel it competitively unfair.

[–]raen22 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

As a transwoman as well, I really think it depends on how long she's been on hormones and whether or not she's had bottom surgery.

Just anecdotally, when I began taking hormones, my muscle mass deteriorated fairly quickly. Granted, I wasn't very heavy into working out at the time, but even now when I do lift, it's much harder for me to gain and/or retain muscle mass.

Just from my own personal experience, it seems that despite being born male, she would not be near her previous levels of strength.

I guess to add more legitimacy, here's the IOC's policy for transgender competitors:

  • Surgical changes must have been completed, including external genitalia changes and removal of gonads.

  • Legal recognition of their assigned sex must have been conferred by appropriate official authorities.

  • Hormone therapy -- for the assigned sex -- must have been given for long enough to minimize any gender-related advantages in sport competitions, a period that must be at least two years after gonadectomy.

http://edition.cnn.com/2004/SPORT/05/17/olympics.transsexual/

[–]thetobacconicjew [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

from my understanding the biggest thing that matters for this stuff is whether you went through puberty or not. because if you are a mtf transperson who didn't go through male puberty then you are probably weaker than an average female sex person of your age/comparable fitness once you are an adult (early/mid 20s).

there is no way a transwoman who transitioned after early adulthood should be competing with the female sex. i don't think any transwomen should be just on principle because it just gets convoluted let alone all this debate over level of advantage they have or may have.

[–]1jl 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They for sure make a difference, but they won't put you on the same level as a cis female because there is more to it than hormones unfortunately. We just don't have the science yet to entirely turn somebody from one biological gender to another.

[–]mitso6989 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (16子コメント)

They need to split sports by xx and XY chromosomes not genders.

[–]Perrah_Normel [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Fuck anyone and everyone who thinks this is ok and for letting this happen.

[–]Starrystars 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (16子コメント)

This reminds me of the transgender high school kid who won the womens wrestle championship. They were born a girl but think they're a guy. So they started transitioning but the high school wouldn't allow them to compete with the guys and had to compete on the girls team against girls. So essentially the kid was doping and it was allowed because they were transitioning.

[–]robozombiejesus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's dumb from the schools position though, it's not like the kid asked to still wrestle girls. They were forced to either wrestle girls or not wrestle.

[–]Cafris 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Are transgender women allowed to compete in combat sports like Judo, wrestling, that stuff? Not only would that be unfair, but potentially extremely dangerous.

It's mind blowing how this is considered normal.

[–]TheUndeadHorde 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (12子コメント)

The last one I heard of ended up breaking the poor girls eye socket open with little to no effort.

[–]Cafris 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (10子コメント)

That's horrific. I'd take hurt feelings over physical injuries any day.

[–]TheUndeadHorde 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yep. Here's an article if your interested in starting to look into this. But there is a reason it's social taboo to hit women. Mostly due to the fact that most men can put most women in the hospital if they decide to get violent. This is no different.

To put that comment into perspective my girlfriend is maybe an inch shorter than I am buy I outweigh her by 50 lbs. That's nearly 40% of her body weight. If we both swung at each other I would go home with a black eye, maybe some skin tears.

If I hit her the minimum she will get is a concussion. Very likely some broken bones.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/transgender-mma-fighter-destroys-female-opponent/

[–]Cafris 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Thanks for the read. Great article.

In a post-fight interview this week, Brents told Whoa TV, “I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life.”

This is terrifying.

[–]TheUndeadHorde 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yep! These are professional women who have trained for a lifetime. Any one of them would kick my ass. But to make a (slightly sendationalized) comparison, imagine yourself fighting against a professional MMA fighter who is near your weight. It may as well be a slaughter.

That is what these women face when going against someone with the physiology of a male. They may be in the same weight class but the muscle density, skeletal structure, and overall physical capacity is such an advantage that they may as well have not trained and just signed up to have their ass kicked.

[–]itisrainingdownhere 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My significant other (granted, he's 6'5" and fairly well built) has half assedly held me back with one hand versus my entire strength.

Even with men who are similar to me in size, there's just no comparison. I mean, I'm also tiny and in terrible shape, but still...

[–]boobobobobobobopoot 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Why don't they introduce a transgender category to compete in?

[–]optionhome 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (39子コメント)

Other than just jaw dropping, do you laugh, feel sorry for them, or do you just want to tell them to grow the fuck up.

[–]GregB2677 134 ポイント135 ポイント  (38子コメント)

I do feel bad for the actual women record holders losing their rightful place at the top. Also women currently competing against this guy.

[–]xAy3x 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

120kg isn't even really impressive by women's world records standards.. This is just silly

[–]jomontage 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There was a story recently about a transgender kid who won the state wrestling championship and went undefeated all season. It's pretty unfair to the competitors

[–]_Sagacious_ 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He wanted to compete with the men but wasn't allowed to.

This issue goes both ways.

[–]invisible_sweaters 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

FAR LEFT LIBERAL HERE. This is ridiculous. Let them live their lives but I really don't think gender based competitions is fair to the other players.

[–]pyfgcrl2 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just curious: what is so far left liberal about you?

When I read "far left", I think "communism" and nowadays that may come with "intersectional feminism", which isnt how you sound like :)

[–]Thokkerius 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I love this. Now we need a transgender Boxer, Bodybuilder, Armwrestler... basically everywhere where Female-Competitions are. 2020 is gona be the first "female" President of the USA: Bruce Jenner.

[–]Sumner67 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Feminism, if you can't beat them, join them....then beat them from the inside out. MUHAHAHAHA

[–]IfinallyhaveaReddit 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Men" were better at being women then the actual women are

[–]TheGoldenLight 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (16子コメント)

You know, it's possible to make the point that athletic competitions need to modernize their rules in a day and age where trans athletes are more common without intentionally disrespecting trans people by misgendering them.

I'm all about finding the points of friction during cultural shifts and finding ways to ease them, but there's no need to be crass and rude.

For the party of "individual rights and personal responsibility" you all sure are willing to undermine others identities and not respect other individuals.