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[–]Loimographia 307 ポイント308 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I think my favorite bit about the 'the richest black people' quote is that it goes on: Destiny gets totally befuddled, he's never even heard that claim, and says he'll look for a source but that he can only find articles saying that poor white kids are less likely to go to prison than rich black kids (but not less likely to commit crimes) and Jon gets super flustered because 'that would imply the court system is somehow racist' like he's never heard that notion ever suggested before in his life.

[–]PaulFThumpkins 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (5子コメント)

People need to learn at least a little about the social sciences. There's history there, there's statistics and critical thinking and it helps to prevent this type of entitled bigotry from taking root in people because they have the tools to check it at the gate.

[–]Loimographia 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (3子コメント)

As a historian, my biggest gripe ever is that people think that things that happened in the past have no influence on modern day – when it suits them, of course. Even in that 'debate' (if we generously call it that) JonTron keeps talking about how the European situation is analogous to the US because of their historical ties with the US's origins as colonies and European immigration, but the thought that the modern African American experience is shaped by events that happened only 50-60 years ago is just too wild to comprehend. Like, we're still dealing with the ripples of the Roman Empire, bruh, why would slavery not be relevant today??

But it's all 'I'm not responsible for what white people did 150 years ago!' Well we're all responsible for fixing it, you're just the only one not trying to do anything about it! Sometimes you have to clean up other people's messes for the good of society, so suck it up and get scrubbing! Getting a little salty here. People need to realize the significance of the past more >:(

[–]crumpisTrumpis 2112 ポイント2113 ポイント  (65子コメント)

That subreddit is actually going to snap in two.

[–]Vid-Master 594 ポイント595 ポイント  (51子コメント)

Beautiful, delicious meta drama!

[–]TimKaineAlt 322 ポイント323 ポイント  (48子コメント)

We'll have the subreddit split drama, then the "they are brigading us drama" , and finally some mod drama as the offshoot dies and the mods who founded it get forgotten and make one last attempt at relevance.

Man and you thought the hotwife drama would be 2017s defining moment

[–]MagnificentSparkzHalf Brit/Half Nigerian American Redditor 302 ポイント303 ポイント  (39子コメント)

No sexy catgirl socialist was my best drama. But yeah prepare the popcorn buckets lads! We got all types of Drama! Racism! SJWS! Kotaku fanboys! Redpillers! Normies! I already got my skittles, popcorn and Donald Duck socks.

[–]GangstaXenu 1024 ポイント1025 ポイント  (60子コメント)

"Fuck you dunkey, I do not watch your videos because you are black" -JonTron. It all makes sense now.

EDIT: for those who do not know the truth https://youtu.be/P6uTKPwVnNI

[–]Konami_Kode_It's about ethics in nazi apologia 527 ポイント528 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Over the last decade, people have been increasingly critical of right wing social narcissism. They're not offended if someone calls them "cracker" so what's wrong with calling someone "nigger"? They laugh at gay jokes, why can't those miserable "SJW" do the same? And they'd love it if some random woman on a train grabbed their dick so what's wrong with a sneaky little grope now and then if it's not hurting anyone? But these kinds of shitty views are getting increasingly indefensible as the modern world gives the people getting bullied by them a voice. They're no longer confident in their ability to be openly fuckwitted, feigned ignorance isn't good enough anymore.. what's a casual racist to do? Well, some of them go the JonTron way. "But what if... What if I was actually right?". If science and statistics can prove that black people are stupid and violent because they're black people then nobody can call them an asshole anymore right? It's not racism, it's facts. But there's always Option B, which is the favourite of toddlers everywhere -- start pointing fingers. "Yeah I may have done something wrong but that kid did something way worse first". Someone else is the true villain and by some tortured logic they're now absolved. Just like the murderers and rapists in prison kicking out the teeth of a paedo, they've created some situation where their "goodness" is relative instead of objective because objectivity doesn't do them any favours. And so here we are. The orange idiot with his ill-fitting suit and someone elses billion dollar bank account has launched a war of attrition against the free press. He's advocated war crimes and torture. He's fired, forgotten or fucked over anyone who might stand in his way. His plans are stupid, racist, sexist, homophobic, immoral and going to happen if the country likes it or not. But have you seen those leftists? They worship some woman who sacrifices babies in pizza shops and they're trying to control what I think and they punched a Nazi and that's not a good thing any more and they're the ones who are really racist along with black people who also do all the crimes and we had a gay guy and they wouldn't let him talk and that's homopjobic and you know they remind me of Hitler but not in a good way like Hitler, like the bad stories about Hitler they made up so they could secretly be Hitler themselves. Anyway, that but they also have reddit accounts.

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[–]rguin 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They worship some woman who sacrifices babies in pizza shops and they're trying to control what I think and they punched a Nazi and that's not a good thing any more and they're the ones who are really racist along with black people who also do all the crimes and we had a gay guy and they wouldn't let him talk and that's homopjobic and you know they remind me of Hitler but not in a good way like Hitler, like the bad stories about Hitler they made up so they could secretly be Hitler themselves.

The alt-right in a nutshell, folks.

[–]BloomEPUSometimes I get a bit carried away 3009 ポイント3010 ポイント  (715子コメント)

I guess it's kind of good to see his 'fans' are being critical of him? Youtuber's fandoms can get a bit hero worshippy and when Jontron's peddling the crap that he says it's good not all of his fans are just eating it up because they like his content.

[–]DoctorWhoSeason24MY FLAIR TEXT HERE 1227 ポイント1228 ポイント  (69子コメント)

I've followed Jon since the Grump days. He always seemed like a nice funny fellow when doing his shit, but a bit arrogant sometimes. This was rarely seen in his scripted show, but it was a side of him that turned up sometimes in the largely improvised Game Grumps.

What really pisses me off about this diatribe is not so much his opinions, hateful as though they may be, but the holier-than-thou tone he delivers them in. Like he was an expert or something, just because he spends a while in /pol/ or wherever. No, Jon, you don't know jack. Be a bit humble when talking about complex issues.

This actually sheds some light on why Arin and him split up. Not because of politics, I mean, but because he doesn't seem like the easiest of dudes to work with (and to be friends with, for that matter).

[–]ANBU_SpectreWhile you ate popcorn, I studied the butter 478 ポイント479 ポイント  (37子コメント)

Sadly, this is one of those moments where you can unironically ask the question: "Are Jon and Arin still friends?"

[–]cokevanillazero 286 ポイント287 ポイント  (30子コメント)

I think we can write off a Jontron guest grumps anytime in the next year or so.

[–]IgnisDominiEthnomasochist 485 ポイント486 ポイント  (10子コメント)

People who have ran into him in the past IRL have pretty consistently said he was a dick. It's just no one really listened.

[–]Tonberry2k 203 ポイント204 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ran into him in Little Italy in NYC. He more came off like he just didn't want to be bothered, which I get. He certainly didn't seem as easygoing as he is on-camera.

[–]Murky_Redbrace yourself... I'm a minority. GG 304 ポイント305 ポイント  (144子コメント)

Was pleasantly surprised myself.

[–]chaobreakerFirst you get the money, then the power, and then communism. 1331 ポイント1332 ポイント  (473子コメント)

I see a lot of them are struggling to separate the art from the artist.

Honestly, this is pretty unprecedented. I don't think a much loved YT personality has ever horrified and alienated such a large chunk of their fanbase with their racist views as much as Jontron did in the past few hours. I mean, his views were never a secret but this Twitch stream or his recent tweets are the worst examples of what he truly thinks.

[–]Kilen13 510 ポイント511 ポイント  (58子コメント)

I think separating art from the artist gets more and more difficult the more and more heinous the artist becomes. For example I accept that Mel Gibson is not a great person but I can still appreciate some of his art. On the other hand I used to be a huge fan of LostProphets but I basically can't listen to their music anymore after reading the details of Ian Watkins' crimes. It's not even something I can really control it's like a physical aversion.

[–]IzzyNobre 187 ポイント188 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I thought I was the only one. I couldn't bear to listen to his voice anymore. Deleted the entire discography. It's weird, I always thought that if it had been like, their bass player, I could still listen to their music, for some reason. But it being the vocalist made it unbearable to me. It was about listening to the guy's voice that made it so weird and wrong. And it was just like you, it's not a conscious effort, it was not a willing decision -- I just felt disgusted by listening it.

[–]cptal 371 ポイント372 ポイント  (38子コメント)

The big one for me was Orson Scott Card. It didn't help that his rampant homophobia made him an ginamorous hypocrite and completely undermined the "if we can understand each other we can all get along with aliens" moral of the Ender Series.

[–]manshamer 194 ポイント195 ポイント  (15子コメント)

His personal views don't jive at all with the themes of his books and that disconnect will always trouble me

[–]NixflynDamage report 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Only partially. The books really push the whole "ubermensch" narrative that libertarians worship. According to the book, Ender and his siblings are clearly superior humans who should be able to walk over others because they're just so good for humanity.

It's not nearly as blatant and sadistic as The Sword of Truth though. That one was just pure libertarian propaganda with a heavy dose of hating the disenfranchised.

[–]abyss6 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Maybe its because I grew up as the internet was developing, but I almost didn't make it through Ender's game when I read it in like early high-school. The idea that his siblings just sort of ruled the world by writing really good anonymous essays on the internet was just laughable.

[–]NixflynDamage report 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (6子コメント)

In the 90s when if first read it that part didn't really hit me. When it read it again around 2005 it was ridiculous. Famous for anonymous Internet message board dissertations? Please.

[–]abyss6 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It would be like someone getting plastered on Bestof enough times that the president is like "wow, reddit user SocraDEEZNUTS is really onto something."

.. scratch that, I could actually see that happening with Trump.

[–]JaKarrTheGOAT 539 ポイント540 ポイント  (53子コメント)

When it comes to separating the art from the artist there's only so much I can ignore. Every view I give him supports his ability to spout this racist garbage.

[–]Obskulum 201 ポイント202 ポイント  (46子コメント)

Like, at what point are the lines drawn? People who disagree with Jon but still want to support him kinda confuse me. By doing this they should realize their indirectly supporting the thing they disagree with.

I'm glad they live in an insulated environment where it's so easy to just say "tut tut, what a shame, still gonna support him though!"

Blegh. You know how people joke Jon's /ourboy/? You know what? Take him. It's not worth it.

[–]TheKickingLegs 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I take in a lot of things from people I disagree with. I don't believe this is simple disagreement. This is like having a disagreement with someone over whether or not gays should be given equal protection under the law: One side of the issue is very much toxic.

[–]CrazyCatLady108-insert witty flair here- 150 ポイント151 ポイント  (6子コメント)

opinions are for coffee, not human rights.

this became very obvious post election. when people would defend their racism/sexism/homophobia by stating that they are entitled to their opinion.

[–]TheKickingLegs 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly. Like, okay, we can disagree on economic policies, or what the best model of drug legislation is and all of that nonsense. People saying "oh so you're just mad because you disagree with him" drive me up a wall.

I "disagree" with these people in the same sense that I would "disagree" with someone who says that rape victims deserve it. It's not simply two angles on an issue, it's arguing against a complete lack of humanity.

[–]Ailureanti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-circlejerker 301 ポイント302 ポイント  (171子コメント)

I don't think a much loved YT personality has ever horrified and alienated such a large chunk of their fanbase with their racist views as much as Jontron did in the past few hours

And this is only amongst the people who actually keeps track of the drama on twitter/reddit/whatever. Imagine the fallout when a popular youtuber covers it complete with clips of his statements.

[–]lordsmish 216 ポイント217 ポイント  (158子コメント)

Thing is with that we are talking H3H3, Pewdiepie both of whom are good friends with him. Really it's going to be keemstar then h3h3 will be forced to pick it up.

[–]epoisse_throwawayask the Plants there how much they gave a shit about radiation 255 ポイント256 ポイント  (151子コメント)

they'll both actually die on that hill with him, im pretty sure.

[–]PrinceOWaleswhy isn't there a white history month? 794 ポイント795 ポイント  (131子コメント)

At first I gave him benefit of the doubt. But then the things he would post on twitter got worse and worse and I just couldn't anymore. Now he's gone full white supremacist and I can't separate that from his art

[–]Uhh_Clem 1452 ポイント1453 ポイント  (30子コメント)

Remember when Dunkey made that joke video where he jokingly claimed JonTron was a racist?

And then we were all, "Haha, that's a good one, because it's not like Jon is actually racist or anything." Haha. Good times.

[–]moonmehim oppressed by an entire dimension 741 ポイント742 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Dunkey was actually prophetic

[–]SnakeEater14I Moderate /r/SnakeEater14! 511 ポイント512 ポイント  (5子コメント)

We knew Dunkey was a prophet ever since that one time he predicted who would beat Sky in smash.

[–]fraud_imposter 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You know what that reminds me of?

[–]IAMA_Draconequus-AMA 234 ポイント235 ポイント  (2子コメント)

When Dunkey threw Sky off Hell In A Cell, 16 feet through an announcers table in 1998?

[–]ibeforeme 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When Sky blew a 3-1 lead in the World Series/NBA Finals to Dunkey

[–]thewookie34 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He did predict Super Mario Bros 2 would be Game of the Year 3 times in a row now.

[–]XxsquirrelxXass angered SJW 362 ポイント363 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Didn't Dunkey also make jokes about the guy behind Papa John's pizza being a dickwad, before the actual Papa John donated 1 million to Trump's campaign in the interests of deregulating his company?

[–]ttmp22 366 ポイント367 ポイント  (8子コメント)

There's been evidence of Papa John's dickwadedness before this.

[–]Uberrancel 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My personal fav will be how he said it would cost him $7million to give all his workers health insurance and that was too much. Then he immediately gave away $10 million in pizzas for some stupid reason. Haven't had papa johns since.

[–]NixflynDamage report 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Papa John has been making the actual news for years for being an asshole. He literally owns the most expensive house in the world and rants about how lazy poor people are. We all saw this coming.

[–]acl5d 327 ポイント328 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I am so fucking pleasantly surprised by and proud of the JonTron community right now

[–]heavyreading 633 ポイント634 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Same. I was pro GG for a while but I saw Breitbart and the Alt Right show up and I bailed. Also got tired of the word cuck and shill.

Oh my god it's happening (ಥ ͜ʖಥ)

[–]lalilulelo09 443 ポイント444 ポイント  (14子コメント)

AKA edgy 15 year olds are becoming adults.

[–]Majorduffus 154 ポイント155 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You know, I know exactly what you mean, I also had a phase when I was a teenager that I was kind of a piece of shit and I grew out of it, but recent events are revealing that it's not always the case, I mean, after all, teenagers can't vote. It's kind of scary to realize that there are dudes with my age with this mentality.

[–]moronicuniform 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You can vote at 18 dude and people tend to act like that into their twenties.

I didn't realize how douchey I was till like 28 and I'm still working on changes

[–]Beareh 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not going to lie, I had this phase as well. I want to improve myself for the better.

[–]ziltilt 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (3子コメント)

TBH I think its relatively normal to go through an edgy teen phase, I am in my 20s now, and I am thankful that when I was coming of age 4chan was a much more isolated shithole than it is now, and not as widely politicized. Not to mention that bush was the outgoing president so the "counter culture" wasnt so anti-liberal. Most of my friends were a bit of edgy shitlords but the important thing is that we moved on with our lives and grew out of it. When you see adults who haven't grown out of it its just plain sad, especially with the understanding of the mindset that comes from having been an "edgy teen" once.

With the ability to isolate oneself online amongst like minded people, it is easy to see how one would not question their views. This is part of the problem with the alt-right, they attempt to indoctrinate young men both consciously and unconsciously and once you become a member of the "community" it becomes harder for ones views to change.

Sorry for rant, i just wanted to write some things out

[–]mrspankyjuice 1192 ポイント1193 ポイント  (96子コメント)

At 01:19:00 Destiny asks Jon to name five countries in Africa. Jon says Zaire 😂 I guess you might as well use a name that has been outdated since 1997 if you are defending an ideology that has been outdated since 1950.

[–]PrinceOWaleswhy isn't there a white history month? 517 ポイント518 ポイント  (30子コメント)

Bonus points if he named Rhodesia

[–]mrspankyjuice 504 ポイント505 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Actually, he got Zimbabwe right. I'm not surprised racists pay attention to a poorly run African country, that treats whitey badly.

He also claimed that African countries have the same crime rate as black Americans? Seriously, neighbouring countries like Botswana and South Africa have completely different crime rates. Shit, South African provinces have completely different crime rates.

He's world view is just baffling.

[–]SpanishMarsupial 391 ポイント392 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Nah mate don't you know Africa is just one big homogeneous blob of crime-ridden slum, warlords, starving children, AK-47s and blood diamonds? I mean, really doesn't take a degree in International Studies to understand that geez

[–]ThromnomnomokCan cuck you in over seven hundred ways 103 ポイント104 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Name 5 African countries? What do you mean, isn't the whole thing one country? /s

[–]Beareh 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (54子コメント)

Haha, is the debate even worth watching? I kind of want to see this mess, but I'm not sure if it's worth my time.

[–]moonmehim oppressed by an entire dimension 252 ポイント253 ポイント  (50子コメント)

It's amazing. I'm going through the VOD now because I missed it yesterday and I found this clip

Jontron thinks Europe is filled with riots and is falling apart

[–]Arvendilin 317 ポイント318 ポイント  (26子コメント)

As a german this was actually pretty insulting.

Not only are our crime rates a fair bit lower than the US ones, we also had a fall in every kind of violent crime in 2015 (the year the big immigration crisis happened), while the US who did take like no refuggees actually had an increase in a few violent crimes...

Also the fact that people actually believe that there are riots or some shit ungoing is retarded aswell, or that its only islamists, the last big terrorist organisation in germany was the NSU (national socialist undergound) who did some bombings and for 10+ years killed brown people, but I guess they don't count?

In general when it comes to ideologically motivated murders in modern germany (so since reunification) the far right absolutely takes the cake with around 160 compared to the 14 of islamists.

I'm not mad that he is uninformed, as Americans generally don't care about the rest of the world, I am angry because he uses his blatantly wrong and uninformed opinions about my country to back a backwards ideology.

[–]moonmehim oppressed by an entire dimension 208 ポイント209 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Alt-right people love to paint Europe as a place that's falling into anarchy due to immigrants.

it's baffling but it works for the uninformed

[–]IAmNotRyan 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Well the Trumpits also paint Europe as failing because their politics are generally left-wing, and therefore blasphemous. They love saying that Africa is terrible because whites are good at governing while non-whites are inherently terrible at governing, and then they say Europe (the place where most white people live) is falling into chaos.

Is just everybody other than Russia just horrible at governance in their eyes? These people are so stupid that I have to just hope that they're all harmless 12-year-olds going through a phase.

[–]LethalFortune 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (6子コメント)

SORRY CANT HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF BURNING AND RAPING!

Nah im kidding I went to Germany 2 months ago, was unfathomably lovely.

[–]Arvendilin 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Have been raped and decapitated 50 times in the last 2 weeks, getting kinda annoying now tbqh fam

[–]CAPS_GET_UPVOTES 152 ポイント153 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Oh god he sounds like my redneck uncle when he talks politics except my uncles actually far more reasonable than Jon

[–]moonmehim oppressed by an entire dimension 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah I have no idea why Jon got involved in the livestream if his knowledge was this bad

[–]ZoomJet 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What a joke, his response is no evidence! Just 'there aaaarrreeeee' he screams.

[–]wafflecakes 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (2子コメント)

From what I understand, JonTron grew up in Palos Verdes, a very affluent city, to say the least. I mean, Trump's golf course is there. I used to be a resident there, and while I can't speak for JonTron, I can speak for most and say that he has absolutely no life experience to make those comments. That city is a bubble with some of the worst people I've met.

[–]RaneadosSome sort of unfeeling popcorn machine. 717 ポイント718 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Jon what are you doing.

[–]Ezana87 1436 ポイント1437 ポイント  (322子コメント)

How did Jon get like this? I really enjoyed his content from time to time and never suspected he had such extreme views. He's taken such a hard turn towards the far right in such a short time its astonishing.

Agreeing with Steve King about white genocide https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841051513212547072

Defending colonization https://twitter.com/JonTronShow/status/841064246834262016

Now talking literally spouting stormfront pasta on a stream.

I wonder if he'll lose sponsors.

[–]Ayy_2_Brute 1049 ポイント1050 ポイント  (38子コメント)

I wonder if he'll lose sponsors.

Cue the Always Sunny theme and title card

[–]ld987I want off Mr. Yishan's Wild Ride 739 ポイント740 ポイント  (31子コメント)

"Jontron Loses His Sponsors"

[–]tehSlothman 527 ポイント528 ポイント  (27子コメント)

"Jontron does a deal with Breitbart"

[–]bushizsomethingawfuldotcom agent provocatuer 390 ポイント391 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Nah jontron gonna follow milo into the desert and emerge with some Gawker style network but for incel fascist neets. It'll be reverse mortgages and survival buckets for millennial generation.

[–]PenguinsAreFly 211 ポイント212 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Shut up because this sounds so possible.

[–]bushizsomethingawfuldotcom agent provocatuer 228 ポイント229 ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's not just possible it's inevitable. Today's video game fascists are tomorrow's racist grandpas. Time is a flat circle.

[–]awesomepawsome 559 ポイント560 ポイント  (94子コメント)

Totally speculative here but it seems like a lot of people took that hard turn recently from anecdotal evidence. You'll see it a lot in posts, people speaking of their friends and family that they had always respected despite their differing views because those people were respectful and reasonable. Then in the last year they've suddenly changed, showing anger, bitterness and a complete shut out to opposing ideas.

Again this is all super anecdotal and probably way biased but it is interesting to hear. If true, is it an example of the dangers of normalization?

[–]BoudicaXa 374 ポイント375 ポイント  (37子コメント)

is it an example of the dangers of normalization?

I think at the very least a part of it is. We're seeing people becoming fully comfortable and feeling like they no longer have to be "subtle" about their views. Half the time when people are like "where did this all come from!?" I'll look back on the person's history and it's been there for a while, sometimes from the start, and when they weren't really questioned and in fact there's many agreeing they came out further and further til we see what is being talked about in this thread

[–]LadnilBut what ACTUALLY happened, shills? 171 ポイント172 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Aziz Ansari's SNL monologue covered it pretty well

The problem is, there’s a new group. I’m talking about this tiny slice of people that have gotten way too fired up about the Trump thing for the wrong reasons. I’m talking about these people that, as soon as Trump won, they’re like, “We don’t have to pretend like we’re not racist anymore! We don’t have to pretend anymore! We can be racist again! Whoo![...]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! No, no! If you’re one of these people, please go back to pretending. You’ve got to go back to pretending. I’m so sorry we never thanked you for your service. We never realized how much effort you were putting into the pretending. But you gotta go back to pretending.

[–]lalilulelo09 267 ポイント268 ポイント  (25子コメント)

This is what every person who whines about "PC" culture always meant. They hated knowing people out there were not ok with their fucked up beliefs and desperately sought validation.

[–]PrinceOWaleswhy isn't there a white history month? 435 ポイント436 ポイント  (36子コメント)

I had a friend tell me that the Arabs in Dearborn didn't have the right to make thier own communities because it takes money away from white people. I never thought I would hear this from a friend. I sort of stopped talking to her. I'm not in a bubble , I'm just not gonna tolerate racism. Worst part is, she's a nurse in the area so to have such lack of empathy for your patients seems troubling

[–]mrpopenfreshcuck-a-doodle-doo 194 ポイント195 ポイント  (16子コメント)

it takes money away from white people

White people with money are not in Dearborn. It's way too close to Detroit for them.

[–]PrinceOWaleswhy isn't there a white history month? 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (14子コメント)

They moved to Dearborn heights

[–]mrpopenfreshcuck-a-doodle-doo 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (12子コメント)

That's kind of the problem with the Detroit area; the suburbs are essentially part of the town, and everyone wants to work in Detroit but keep the tax base for their little section of the city. No wonder downtown is such a shithole; no one wants to share.

[–]Canis_Familiaris 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (16子コメント)

He's been like this for years at least as far back as his sonic 06 playthrough. It's usually censored, though.

[–]Olddirtychurro 425 ポイント426 ポイント  (23子コメント)

He lost my subscription. I know it's like a drop in a bucket but as a black man my patience has grown very thin with people like this these days.

[–]leahflix 141 ポイント142 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Me too. For a while I thought I could look past his racist, sexist views because his videos were pretty neutral and I still found them entertaining. But after the Argon thing I'm fucking outta there. This recent shitshow let's me know I made the right decision.

[–]APFSDS-Tyour Trazi sneer shows through your mask 189 ポイント190 ポイント  (59子コメント)

I haven't watched a second of Jontron so I can't say what he's been like but you'd be amazed how many people have really dodgy ideas.

[–]Mechakoopa 298 ポイント299 ポイント  (56子コメント)

I've noticed that the idea that it's perfectly fine to say whatever the fuck dumb shit comes in to your head has skyrocketed since Trump came in to office, which is okay by me because now I have proof of who the crazies on my Facebook feed are.

[–]brassninja 290 ポイント291 ポイント  (17子コメント)

God damn I'm disappointed. Having watched pretty much the entirety of his channel, I had no idea he had such hard right views. In fact most of his channel's content seems politically moderate or slightly left. Then again most of his channel was posted like 3-4 years ago. His old videos are still hilarious.

It's just sad to see someone change like this.

[–]jcarlsen88 218 ポイント219 ポイント  (8子コメント)

my girlfriend and I were horrified when we came across his twitter a month ago. we had no idea he held such alt-right type viewpoints, and as you said, his videos give you no sense of that in his personality.

some folks can ignore this shit and keep watching, but honestly, we don't wanna support somoene who abuses his platform to spread such toxic bullshit in the background.

[–]brassninja 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I haven't been interested in his channel in awhile since he barley posts. And I've never paid attention to his social media.

Maybe there was something in him that changed because, like I said, his best videos were posted 3-4 years ago. And he seems different now. I thought he was hilarious because his videos were never political or overly vulgar. Unless he's always been this way and people just didn't notice until now.

I wanna believe there's some reason he's acting this way, but I can't make excuses just because I've liked his content in the past. I also wonder how Game Grumps feels about his political vocalness. Would they still be willing to have ties with him?

[–]Kita_KittenCheers love, the cavalry's queer! 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He started really picking up the right wing steam towards the end of the election. I guess he was among those who felt their extreme views were now validated and just went all out.

[–]ApolloTheCosmonaut 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Jon and Arin had a big falling out years ago. Nobody knows the exact reasons, but with the stuff that's coming out recently, I think you've probably got a good idea why they split up.

[–]Kita_KittenCheers love, the cavalry's queer! 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He also dropped N-bombs quite a lot that had to be censored if I remember correctly. Like 8 in one episode.

[–]ULTRA_Lenin 1066 ポイント1067 ポイント  (170子コメント)

Imagine managing to come off as more of a dick than Destiny ffs.

[–]madmax_410^ↀᴥↀ^ C A T B O Y S ^ↀᴥↀ^ 517 ポイント518 ポイント  (152子コメント)

It's a sad day for me when I agree with fucking destiny

[–]ULTRA_Lenin 971 ポイント972 ポイント  (37子コメント)

I mean "black people aren't inferior" is quite a widely held view. I bet you agree on loads of things with Destiny.

"Lunch is good."

[–]100percentkneegrow 158 ポイント159 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Has 4chan declared him "their" guy yet?

[–]WrongAndBeligerent 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (1子コメント)

/pol/ seems to be in a constant cycle of getting behind someone until they get destroyed in a debate.

[–]Shamer_ 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's almost as if defending the indefensible sets you up to have your ass handed to you 10 times over. 🤔

[–]A-MacLeod 1207 ポイント1208 ポイント  (217子コメント)

I'm not sure why his fans are surprised. He's been banging on about "cultural Marxism" and doing video chats with Sargon of Akkad for months.

[–]chaobreakerFirst you get the money, then the power, and then communism. 1209 ポイント1210 ポイント  (89子コメント)

He was using dogwhistles that the majority of his fans probably don't understand the deeper meaning of. That is... until this stream.

And now you know why white nationalist groups like Stormfront always try to stay on script.

[–]EnviousDan 276 ポイント277 ポイント  (72子コメント)

I don't think I understand the concept of "dogwhistle" here but I've heard the phrase before. Would you mind explaining it?

Edit: Thank you for the replies. It's clear now.

[–]beer_goblin 700 ポイント701 ポイント  (35子コメント)

There's a famous quote from Lee Atwater that explains it perfectly, in the context of the Republican "southern strategy"

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "N****r, n****r, n****r." By 1968 you can't say "n****r" — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N****r, n****r."

It's worth pointing out that even mentioning this quote will get you banned from /r/conservative

[–]eongeTHE BUTTER MUST FLOW. 393 ポイント394 ポイント  (13子コメント)

'welfare queen' from the reagan era

[–]XxsquirrelxXass angered SJW 413 ポイント414 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Or most recently, "thug", which went from a word defining criminals, to a word used as a racial slur.

[–]Magmaniac 140 ポイント141 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Referring to black people people as "low IQ" is one that's gaining a lot of popularity among the alt right at the moment.

[–]CinderSkye 817 ポイント818 ポイント  (29子コメント)

A literal dog whistle is a device that only dogs can hear when blown, not humans.

The metaphorical dog whistle refers to euphemistic language that is used in a way that seems appealing to the casual, unconscious bigots while the active supremacists understand the full meaning of the euphemism, yet still giving plausible deniability to casual observers who will be inclined to read social justice critiques of the language as overwrought and jumping the gun.

It has more recently been co-opted to mean any sort of coded language as part of an active attempt to confuse the meaning of the phrase.

[–]Battle_Cake 386 ポイント387 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I'm glad that you mentioned the part where it's intended to make critics of the dog-whistle language in question look like they're overreacting to casual observers. It seems to me that in the modern day usage of dogwhistle racism/sexism/what-have-you, this plausible deniability is typically a key goal in addition to hiding racism in plain sight.

[–]AadeeMoien 259 ポイント260 ポイント  (15子コメント)

e.g. "I'm not racist, I'm just asking questions!"

99% of the time they'll pull out some racist "facts" they've "heard" under the guise of checking their veracity. The real purpose to be to spread them around and increase their exposure because people will tend to unconsciously believe information they see more often.

[–]LeftyMcSavage 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It might also be part of the reason that some people don't realize why they're being accused of racism. They parrot these dog whistles without understanding the implications.

[–]LadnilBut what ACTUALLY happened, shills? 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"Hello /r/askhistorians, I heard that [Hitler was actually good / the civil war wasn't about slavery / colonialism helped the natives and everyone was happy always while white people were in charge / Islam is a religion of savages / Jesus was real and you're all going to hell if you disagree]. Please give me evidence to support this thing I heard, and you're all fascists if you lock my thread where I'm innocently asking questions and innocently ignoring all of your evidence while I fish for the answer I'm looking for. Just asking questions, honest."

[–]getintheVandell 136 ポイント137 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"I'm not a nazi, I'm a part of the alt-right. I'm not a racist, I'm a race realist. I don't want to exterminate jews, I just want to remove them from having power."

[–]BloomEPUSometimes I get a bit carried away 511 ポイント512 ポイント  (72子コメント)

But sargon's not a real racist!! He's just rational! He rationally rants about feminists and rationally sends gay porn to altrighters on twitter and then when he gets banned he rationally says it was because of his views on immigration/11

[–]The-Red-King 174 ポイント175 ポイント  (30子コメント)

He's a rational skeptic, who can see the real truth here. Elliot Rodger's killings were the result of the Fucking Feminist System and nothing to do with him being a horrific mysogynist.

[–]PoogansYou don't skateboard never post here again. 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Has he really said that?

[–]The-Red-King 113 ポイント114 ポイント  (20子コメント)

He did indeed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xM1NrSSHDSc

(Apologies for the formatting, I'm on mobile)

It's kind of funny really until you consider that the guys has a wife, kids and hundreds of thousands of subscribers.

[–]PoogansYou don't skateboard never post here again. 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, that's pretty ridiculous.

[–]ParamoreFanClubGiving u the helicopter dick 474 ポイント475 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Dunkey was right all along

[–]deathtotheemperor 346 ポイント347 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Jon, you do not produce enough good content to be this racist.

[–]brightblueinky 186 ポイント187 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You gotta draw a line in the sand, Jon. You've got to look at yourself and say "what am I willing to put up with today?" NOT FUCKING THIS!

[–]SkeptioningQuestic 376 ポイント377 ポイント  (47子コメント)

Honestly if you get the chance, watch the VOD. It is enlightening, terrifying, and perversely hilarious at the same time.

Edit: It's on his youtube now.

[–]ElectronicPotatoLeftist Fanatic 476 ポイント477 ポイント  (31子コメント)

So many moments where I just stared in the air in disbelief. How can someone be so sure of things and have nothing to back it up, but emotions. And then say he stands up for whats 'rational'. I honestly got a little sick to my stomach towards the end. Fuck Jontron, he deserves the shit storm that hes about to get.

[–]jonamiyaFuck the State, let me have my unlicensed gay assault marijuana 342 ポイント343 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Why is it that the people who go on the most about being rational and logical tend to be the least rational and logical?

[–]IceCreamBalloonsEthics are forged in the fires of flamewar 148 ポイント149 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Dunning-Kruger maybe? Or projection. I find the people most often complaining about others being thin skinned get the most offended over little things too.

[–]ParamoreFanClubGiving u the helicopter dick 304 ポイント305 ポイント  (32子コメント)

This is no surprise if you look at his twitter. He literally retweeted a white supremacist. I also find it hilarious people are chalking it up as different opinions. Isis has different opinions too so we should just be friends with them right?

[–]IceCreamBalloonsEthics are forged in the fires of flamewar 134 ポイント135 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I also find it hilarious people are chalking it up as different opinions.

When it's about something serious, I find "just sharing opinions" really means "I share those opinions".

[–]anomanopia 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck jontron. I loved his personality, but I'll never support him again after this.

[–]ltambo 221 ポイント222 ポイント  (13子コメント)

How do Americans explain European Blacks commit vastly less crime than American blacks? Maybe, it's not genetic and their society is a mess.

Thank god at least someone knows how to make good arguments there

[–]TheKickingLegs 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You'd almost think that living in a country still dealing with the legacy of the pre-Civil Rights Era has a lot of shadows of racist institutions that need to be remedied or something.

[–]Saigot 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pffffffttttt, don't you know there are no black people in Europe /s

[–]Ayy_2_Brute 596 ポイント597 ポイント  (37子コメント)

hoooo boy I had a feeling he was this type of guy when he started ranting about women a few weeks ago.

[–]Asystole 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I used to like JonTron's videos (back when he was still sticking to funny mostly videogame-related stuff). I had the same reaction as you to that video from a few weeks ago. This now confirms he's turned into your typical anti-"SJW"-boogeyman alt-right /pol/-lurking reactionary prick. Such a shame.

[–]NotReallyEthicalLOL 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (6子コメント)

whenever I hear someone go on a rant about women, hoo boy. Just because you don't get laid does not mean there's something wrong with women

[–]Silverfox767you slimy piece of histrionic underachieving shit 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The sub is so being brigaded by t_d. So many comments with positive upvotes claiming he said nothing racist, plenty of cucks and libtards are being thrown around as well.

[–]chaobreakerFirst you get the money, then the power, and then communism. 672 ポイント673 ポイント  (73子コメント)

This has the whole sub shooked. I feel bad for all of those Jontron fans. I was a subscriber to his channel even after giving him the benefit of the doubt over the Gamergate stuff. Looks likeall it took for him to say what he really thinks is to have like-minded people in the highest office in the world.

[–]dIoIIoIb 397 ポイント398 ポイント  (5子コメント)

on the positive side of things, is not like people that unsub from him are gonna lose much, since he makes videos as frequently as it rains in the sahara desert

[–]nb4hnp 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (2子コメント)

the Jafari desert of conent

That's not even clever wordplay, but I feel like posting it. Sorry if it doesn't meet the bar.

[–]sakebomb69 503 ポイント504 ポイント  (79子コメント)

So does this mean it's NOT about ethics in game journalism?

[–]WetzillaYOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, that was just a typo. It's about "ethnics" in game journalism.

[–]_watchingsub mod shillionaire 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's about rationality in colonialism apologetics.

obvi don't agree w jontron

[–]PrinceOWaleswhy isn't there a white history month? 205 ポイント206 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Doesn't help that he's gone full white supremacist on twitter. I feel dirty for having been a fan for so long but glad I jumped off that train when I did

[–]billpikalong live A$AP yams 204 ポイント205 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Jontron has given me much joy over the past 5 years. But in the last 2, he's been trying his best to make people mad at him for no good reason and it's very sad.

[–]Bythmark 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"Someone was mean to me because I wasn't liberal enough for them, so I'm gonna react by changing my whooooole worldview, that'll show 'em!"

[–]Killchrono 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Honestly it feels like this is the mentality behind it. I keep saying this started because of the whole 'retard' tweet controversy; it feels like instead of dealing with it maturely he kind of just bunkered down and started to act in spite of the people who were criticising him.

It's like a kid doing something because his parents told him not to. It feels less genuine and more laser-focused to piss of certain people.

[–]mhurley187 250 ポイント251 ポイント  (20子コメント)

This drama reminds me of /r/kanye when Ye went on his Trump kick. At least Kanye realized he was wrong and took it back, whereas with JonTron this is likely something he believes wholeheartedly.

[–]StraightentheRudderHillary "Kuru" Clinton 121 ポイント122 ポイント  (10子コメント)

What ever happened with that? All I remember was that Kanye was invited to Trump tower, and I didn't hear much about it after that.

[–]StartomasMod of /r/Toontown, where drama stirs from a kid's game. 168 ポイント169 ポイント  (7子コメント)

The real problem was members from /r/The_Donald coming round and adding fuel to the fire.

Kanye deleted the tweets, so I guess that means he backtracked.

[–]PrinceOWaleswhy isn't there a white history month? 230 ポイント231 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yeah he said he wanted to encourage funding for Chicago public schools. Devos's s plan made him realize that Trump didn't really care about public school

[–]Agastopia 915 ポイント916 ポイント  (221子コメント)

I remember KIA claiming he wasn't actually racist a while ago and that it was non fans making the biggest deal out of what he said

Fuck kia

[–]jonamiyaFuck the State, let me have my unlicensed gay assault marijuana 335 ポイント336 ポイント  (20子コメント)

KIA wouldn't listen to any claims of anyone being racist, no matter how blatant. They probably still don't think JonTron is racist.

[–]billpikalong live A$AP yams 203 ポイント204 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Come on man, if you ignore all the context, he just wants white people to exist in peace.

[–]IgnisDominiEthnomasochist 492 ポイント493 ポイント  (115子コメント)

They'll probably still be saying that.

[–]BeastKeK 391 ポイント392 ポイント  (113子コメント)

[–]Tribalrage24brace yourself....I'm a minority. GG 213 ポイント214 ポイント  (1子コメント)

However he is far from a racist or bigoted individual as he holds a lot of views that are fairly libertarian/liberal and is knowledgeable with the current social and political trends.

We've arrived at the point where you can say "even wealthy blacks commit more crimes than poor whites" and "Discrimination doesn't exist" and still be called a liberal

[–]_FinestJellyBeansRaw 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But he likes weed and thinks abortions are OK!

[–]SushiShark522/r/relationships shills for Big Therapy 339 ポイント340 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The Persian white nationalist

"le stupid sjws saying PoC can't be racist"

"JonTron can't be racist, he's Iranian!"

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_MANIFEST 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This always been such an obvious internal contradiction. Combine it with their claim towards being logical and rational and it just makes for a despicable set of beliefs.

[–]ontopicGamers aren't dead, they just suck now. 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Team 'Debate Me' is having a circlejerk about how debate is useless now.

Wow.

[–]TeoKajLibroj 388 ポイント389 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Shit. They're not even looking at the stream or discussion. They just presume that if a man is accused of racism, he must be innocent.

[–]shutnic 376 ポイント377 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can't be be racist if you don't believe racism exists.

BlackGuyTappingHead.jpg

[–]CptNasty 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Racism, what does racism even mean?"- Literal quote from Jontron in the debate.

I listened to like the first 40 minutes of the debate. Jontron is a fucking moron. You can't even excuse his performance with "he's always been bad at articulating his ideas" his ideas are just shit.

He spent the entire time I was listening guffawing nervously like a buffoon after every exchange because he was made to look like he had no idea what he was talking about, and pretending what the other guy said was hilarious was really his best defense.

And then about 30 minutes into the debate Destiny gives a clear-cut example of racism and Jon asks

"Racism? What does racism even mean?" and I'm not sure he was entirely joking.

[–]AndrewFlashOwns stock in Orville 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Unless it's a black person being racist. Then we need "a solution."

[–]IgnisDominiEthnomasochist 786 ポイント787 ポイント  (73子コメント)

HOLY FUCK THEIR NEW SIDEBAR IMAGE

I physically cringed.

[–]SushiShark522/r/relationships shills for Big Therapy 496 ポイント497 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Is that a red pill on that character's finger?

[–]epoisse_throwawayask the Plants there how much they gave a shit about radiation 164 ポイント165 ポイント  (0子コメント)

im gonna rupture my fucking sides holy shit

[–]jonamiyaFuck the State, let me have my unlicensed gay assault marijuana 368 ポイント369 ポイント  (5子コメント)

"He's not racist, he just sucks at debate."

Shouldn't there be a doctor's warning against this kind of mental gymnastics?

[–]GraysonHunt 162 ポイント163 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Then a reply says that they hate debates because the more persuasive argument wins. Really? Fucking really?

[–]PyreDruidI am the very model of a modern homosocialist 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I hate tests because the right answers are right.

[–]Lord_jyraksizits 100% legal other s are spanish things (100% unlegule) 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So a white guy has a political opinion and the internet called him names? Sounds like my continuing thesis that it's current year and everyone is Hitler continues.


Why do we even bother defending against accusations of racism and bigotry anymore? They're baseless to begin with and literally everyone knows it.

He implied black people commit more crime because they're black. He said white people should do things to keep their majority position in America. He said discrimination in the West is non existent.

HE IS JUST BAD AT DEBATING

[–]LeverArchFile 162 ポイント163 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's why I hate debates for the most part. It always comes down to who is better spoken and more persuasive.

I hate debates because they come down to whoever puts over their ideas the best.

The user then goes on to describe a debate as if they get sprung on you at a moments notice.

Topping it off with

Debates can be a great way to spark conversation but you shouldn't rely on a debate to inform you fully on issues.

Debates are bad because sometimes the person who I don't agree with has the better skills, preparation and evidence ;_;

What a fucking idiot that 40+ other people agreed with.

[–]LordofNarwhals 299 ポイント300 ポイント  (35子コメント)

Yep.

Some Highlights:

It sounds like someone who isn't skilled in debating took on somebody who is skilled at debating. And he got beaten because of it. That doesn't mean that the points he was trying to make are invalid.

If you can't make a single even mildly convincing argument that supports your point, then your point was probably shit to begin with.
Also that is the top comment in the KiA thread.

So a white guy has a political opinion and the internet called him names? Sounds like my continuing thesis that it's current year and everyone is Hitler continues.

Yeah, because thinking that "white people no longer being the majority is a huge problem" and that "colonialism was a net benefit for the third world" are totally reasonable and valid political opinions.

While white nationalism is stupid, nationalism itself is a completely valid mentality, it has some very positive effect (and some very negative ones) and is rooted in reality (contrary to racism or race supremacism) while I don't think it's the right direction for our countries myself, I think it should not be dismissed either.
[ . . . ]

If you're going to tell me that white nationalism is stupid, the next words out of your mouth better be "along with black nationalism, asian nationalism, arab nationalism, etc".
Otherwise you're proving the point that society looks down on white people looking out for their self-interest while encouraging non-whites to do so.

#AllLivesMatter

[–]SaltyStrangersimagine a perfect society devoid of those evil feminists!!! 280 ポイント281 ポイント  (2子コメント)

when you lose the debate so hard you just claim that debate itself is whats preventing you from making a strong argument lmao

[–]GrantSolarYOUR FLAIR TEXT HERE 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (8子コメント)

If you're going to tell me that white nationalism is stupid...

This has to be from someone who either:

a) Doesn't know what White Nationalism is
or
b) Is a massive racist

I mean, it's KiA so it could easily go either way

[–]PlumbTheDerps 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When his channel starts getting hatemail and losing views, he's going to post a long rant about how his freedom of speech is under assault by the authoritarian lib-cuck left. Because remember, kids: you can say literally anything you want without facing any consequences whatsoever!