Friday, March 17, 2017

Meta-bigotry


Sophistry is the attempt to persuade someone of some proposition or policy by the use of fallacious arguments.  What I have called meta-sophistry involves accusing others of fallacies or of sophistry in a manner that is itself fallacious or sophistical.  The meta-sophist cynically deploys labels like “sophist” as a rhetorical device by which he might smear and discredit an opponent.  Where the opponent’s arguments can easily be read in a way that involves no commission of fallacies, the meta-sophist will instead opt for a less charitable reading so as to facilitate the accusation that the opponent is a sophist.  Because the meta-sophist poses precisely as a foe of sophistry and fallacious argument and as a friend of reason, his brand of sophistry is especially insidious.  He is like the politician who makes the loud condemnation of sleazy politicians a useful cover for his own sleaziness.  (As I have documented many times over the years – e.g. here, here, and here – “New Atheist” writers are paradigmatic meta-sophists.)

A close kin to meta-sophistry is what I call meta-bigotry.  This is the deployment of epithets like “bigot” in a manner that is itself bigoted.  We have seen some vivid examples recently, such as in the unhinged reaction of certain academic philosophers to Richard Swinburne’s controversial SCP talk, and in the mob that shut down Charles Murray’s lecture at Middlebury College.  Indeed, so manifestly bigoted are these purported anti-bigots – so obviously moved are they by unreasoning hatred and malice rather than by calm and dispassionate argument – that it is astonishing that they could claim with a straight face to be anything other than bigots themselves.  How have we come to this?

What bigotry is and what it isn’t

The answer is in part that a great many people seem to have forgotten what bigotry actually is and exactly why it is objectionable.  John Knasas, in the course of a discussion on a completely unrelated subject, happens to give in passing a pretty good characterization of bigotry:

[B]iases and prejudices can determine how things come across.  In the light of racial prejudice, white bigots are unable to appreciate something done by a black person in good faith.  A smile, a courtesy, will be taken as a setup, unemployment as indicative of lazy character, employment as indicative of another white person’s mercy rather than the black person’s merit, and so on.  The bigot constantly interprets what is given in the light of preconceptions.  (Being and Some Twentieth-Century Thomists, p. 115)

Oxford defines a bigot as “a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.”  Merriam-Webster tells us that a bigot is “a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.” 

These characterizations of bigotry are by no means eccentric or partisan.  They reflect longstanding English usage of the term.  Now, notice that on all of them, the nature and problematic status of bigotry are essentially procedural rather than substantive.  That is to say, they have to do, not with the content of the bigot’s beliefs, but with the manner in which he holds them.  The bigot is someone whose attachment to his beliefs is fundamentally emotional rather than rational.  He evaluates the evidence in light of his beliefs rather than evaluating his beliefs in light of the evidence.  He is reluctant or unwilling to give a fair hearing to opinions other than his own or to arguments against his own.  He tends to be hostile to those who hold those different opinions, prefers to avoid them altogether rather than engaging them and their views, and resorts to invective instead of reasoned debate.

The reason all of this is problematic, of course, is that bigotry gets in the way of our discovering truth.  If the bigot’s opinions are wrong, he is very unlikely to discover that they are, because he turns his mind violently away from all sources of information that might reveal his errors to him.  Even if he turns out to be right, that will be a matter of luck, for the manner in which he forms his opinions is so inherently unreliable that he is unlikely to be right very often or without a large admixture of error.

Now in light of these facts, it is obvious that thinkers like Swinburne and Murray are not bigots.  As those who know them or their work attest, they are both about as civilized, learned, and open to rational criticism and debate as a scholar can be.  Their manner of discourse is decidedly cerebral rather than emotive, and they are always giving arguments rather than issuing mere assertions.  Their opinions on this or that subject may or may not be wrong – that is an entirely different question – but there can be no reasonable doubt that they hold those opinions in a way that is not at all bigoted. 

By contrast, people like the foul-mouthed professors who had nothing but hatred and mockery to throw in Swinburne’s direction, and the students who violently disrupted Murray’s talk, are straight-from-central-casting bigots in the ordinary dictionary sense of the term.  They could not care less what Swinburne’s or Murray’s actual views or arguments are.  They “already know” they must be wrong.  Certainly they would never so much as entertain even the bare possibility that Swinburne or Murray might after all be right.  They responded to them precisely in terms of their own “preconceptions” (as Knasas puts it), “obstinately devoted” to their own liberal opinions (as Merriam-Webster puts it) and “intolerant” of conservative ones (as Oxford puts it).  Since they manifest this bigotry precisely under the guise of opposing bigotry, they are meta-bigots.

Now, what has facilitated this forgetting of what bigotry actually is is a simple though fairly widespread confusion – namely the confusion of what is merely in some cases one particular kind of bigotry with what all bigotry is per se

In particular, one kind of bigotry can involve negative opinions concerning some group of people – whether an ethnic group, adherents of a certain religion, adherents of a certain political party, or whatever.  But it would be a mistake to identify bigotry with such negative opinions.  For one thing, not all bigotry involves having negative opinions about some group of people.  For example, a person might take so negative an attitude about some set of ideas – Heideggerian existentialism, evolutionary biology, British idealism, or whatever – that he is unwilling to give it a fair hearing or to be shown that his objections to it are based on misconceptions.  Such a person would be a bigot, even though his bigotry isn’t directed toward some ethnic or religious group or the like.

For another thing, not all negative opinions concerning some group of people are bigoted.  Take, for example, the claims that bureaucrats often evade responsibility, businessmen are often too concerned with the bottom line, many lawyers are more interested in gaming the system than in securing justice, and so forth.  These are negative opinions concerning large groups of people, but someone could certainly hold them in a way that is not bigoted.  For example, someone could sincerely believe that there is good evidence for these propositions, could nevertheless be open to hearing arguments and evidence to the contrary, could be perfectly willing to acknowledge that bureaucrats, businessmen, lawyers, etc. have their good points too, and so on.  These opinions may or may not be mistaken, but the fact that they are about groups of people does not necessarily make them bigoted.  (Another obvious example would be the claim that bigots are irrational.  That’s a negative opinion about an entire group of people, but it is hardly itself bigoted!)

All the same, there is a common tendency today to suppose that any opinion concerning some group of people that is in some way negative is of its very nature bigoted – and indeed to suppose that that sort of thing is just what bigotry is.  Hence many people suppose that if someone says something concerning some group that is in some way negative, then that person simply must be a bigot – regardless of whether the person’s opinions are expressed dispassionately, whether he backs them up with arguments, is willing to listen to criticism of them, is happy to acknowledge that the group in question has good aspects too, etc.   And such people also suppose that since they personally repudiate the making of negative claims about any group, then they themselves cannot possibly be bigots – regardless of how shrill they are in their purported anti-bigotry, of their refusal to back up their position with arguments or listen to the other side, of their demonization of those who disagree with them, etc.

The fallacy here is of the general form:

Many instances of X are Y and many instances of Y are X.  Therefore, something is X if and only if it is Y

An example of this fallacious reasoning would be:

Many instances of stealing involve taking a person’s money without his consent and many instances of taking a person’s money without his consent involve stealing.  Therefore, something is stealing if and only if it involves taking a person’s money without his consent.

The premise here is certainly true, but the conclusion does not follow, and indeed is false.  For stealing sometimes involves something other than taking a person’s money without his consent (e.g. it might involve taking other kinds of property, or it might involve getting a person to consent under false pretenses), and taking someone’s money without his consent is not always stealing (e.g. it may involve forcing him to pay a fine for violating some just law, or requiring him to pay justly levied taxes). 

Similarly, many people who think of themselves as opponents of bigotry seem to be reasoning as follows:

Many instances of bigotry involve having a negative opinion of some sort concerning some group of people, and many instances of having a negative opinion of some sort concerning some group of people involve bigotry.  Therefore, something is bigotry if and only if it involves having some sort of negative opinion concerning some group of people.

Here too, though, while the premise is true, the conclusion does not follow and is not true.  Again, it is possible to be a bigot even if one does not have a negative opinion of some sort concerning some group of people, and it is possible to have a negative opinion of some sort concerning some group of people and nevertheless not be a bigot.

Now the fallacy is compounded by the fact that what are sometimes characterized as negative opinions about groups of people are, strictly speaking, not really that at all.  For example, if someone thinks that a certain sexual practice is immoral, it doesn’t necessarily follow that he has a negative attitude about the people who engage in that practice.  Everyone knows this where some sexual practices are concerned.  For example, if someone says “I think adultery is wrong,” few people would respond “Ah, so you hate people who commit adultery!”  However, if someone says “I think homosexual acts are wrong,” the response is often “You hate homosexuals!”  But that simply does not follow, any more than in the case of adultery.  The negative attitude in question is essentially about a certain kind of behavior, rather than about a certain group of people per se.

Similarly, if someone thinks that a certain religion has negative features, it doesn’t follow that he has a negative attitude about the adherents of the religion.  Everyone knows this where some religions are concerned.  For example, if someone says “I think Scientology has crazy doctrines and is cultish,” few people would respond “Ah, so you hate Scientologists!”  Or if someone says “I think the Amish way of life is much too restrictive and blinkered,” few would say “You hate Amish people!”  However, if someone says “I think Islam has a greater tendency to generate terrorism than other religions do,” the response is often “You hate Muslims!”  But that simply does not follow, any more than in the case of Scientologists or Amish people.  The negative attitude in question is essentially about a certain set of religious ideas, rather than about the group of people who hold those ideas.

This reinforces the point that opinions to the effect that such-and-such a sexual practice is wrong, that this or that religion has negative features, or what have you, are simply not per se bigoted.  Such opinions could be held in a bigoted way, of course, and indeed sometimes are.  But that is true of any opinion on any subject – including more favorable opinions on the sexual practice, religion, etc. in question.  Again, bigotry has essentially to do with the manner in which one holds an opinion, not the content of the opinion. 

Note that this does not entail that just any old content is reasonable or otherwise unobjectionable so long as it is not held in a bigoted way.  Lots of people have crazy beliefs that they cling to tenaciously but in a way that is nevertheless not bigoted.  They may be perfectly willing to hear counterevidence and criticism, are not emotional about the subject or contemptuous of people who disagree, etc. but nevertheless can’t be talked out of their odd views.  In my view, lots of people who firmly believe certain kinds of conspiracy theories, or who are fascinated with UFOs or other odd phenomena, or who swear by various quack medical theories, etc. are like this.  There may be irrationality here, but not necessarily bigotry.  To call someone a bigot implies a certain kind of moral failing that is simply not justly attributed to people who are merely eccentric or confused. 

Meta-bigotry as a tactic

So, accusations of bigotry are often based on misunderstandings of what bigotry is or are otherwise fallacious.  Are these errors the result of honest mistakes?  No doubt in some cases they are.  But by no means in all cases.  For the accusation of bigotry has in recent decades become a kind of rhetorical tactic among many egalitarians.  Indeed, in some cases the tactic is deliberately adopted rather than merely a tic that the egalitarian unthinkingly falls into.  The intention is to demonize critics of egalitarian policy, so as to intimidate such critics into silence and to discourage third parties from hearing out any criticisms they do express.  The aim is precisely to bypass rational discourse and instead to alter opinions at an emotional level.  In my initial post on the Swinburne SCP controversy I quoted extensively from some activists who frankly admit that this is what they are up to.

Now, a more blatant example of sophistry and bigotry cannot be imagined.  Because this tactic is deployed in the name of opposing bigotry and illogical thinking, it is a textbook instance of meta-sophistry and meta-bigotry.  Meta-bigotry is an especially insidious form of bigotry precisely because it presents itself as opposition to bigotry.  The meta-bigot is less likely than other bigots are to perceive his own bigotry.  He thinks: “But I’m so passionately opposed to bigotry!  How could I possibly be a bigot?”  (The answer is: Try dialing down the passion, and maybe you’ll see.)

The Murray incident is just the latest indicator of how pervasive meta-bigotry has become on college campuses.  The Swinburne affair is just the latest indicator of the inroads it has made even into academic philosophy.  A sizable chunk of the modern academy has become a kind of Bizarro world, in which shrill fanatics like the Middlebury mob and Swinburne’s critics are regarded as the reasonable and open-minded people, and sober scholars like Swinburne and Murray are treated as if they were shrill fanatics.  It does not seem to be an exaggeration to say that in the contemporary academic context, the people routinely labeled “bigots” usually are not really bigots (whether or not they are in error in other ways), and the people most keen to fling the “bigot” label at others usually are bigots (namely, meta-bigots).

But then, as Plato warned us, egalitarianism has always tended in this irrationalist direction.  It was, after all, the passionately egalitarian Athenians who executed the anti-egalitarian Socrates.  Swinburne and Murray are in good company.

49 comments:

Thursday said...

Bigotry is essentially the Big 5 personality trait low Openness to Experience, it is one of the main predictors of political conservatism.

However, it is not the only personality predictor of political conservatism. In particular, Big 5 Conscientiousness, particularly the subtrait Orderliness, also tends to predict political conservatism. Orderliness, incidentally, is also the personality trait that predicts religiosity, which low Openness does not.

So, one reason that politically conservative positions have come to be associated with bigotry as Prof. Feser has defined it, is that being bigoted tends to make you politically conservative.

However, being bigoted is not the only road to conservatism: Conscientiousness/Orderliness also leads to conservatism. I'd suspect that most socially conservative intellectuals, including Prof. Feser, are likely relatively high in Openness, but also high in Conscientiousness/Orderliness.

There's also a wrinkle in this in that low Openness people (i.e. bigots) can also end up as extreme left wingers, but only if they are extremely high on a third personality trait, Big 5 Agreeableness, which basically maps onto maternal compassion.

(There are 5 major personality traits, of which three have significant political import: Openness to Experience, Conscientiousness, and Agreeableness.)

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-personality-of-political-correctness/

Thursday said...

Here is the psychological profile of left wing extremists:

Low IQ
Low Openness (surprising, as this normally predicts conservatism)
High Conscientiousness, especially Orderliness (surprising, as this normally predicts conservatism)
Higher Religiosity (surprising in one way as the left is normally associated with irreligion, but goes with high Orderliness)
High Neuroticism (susceptibility to negative emotion)
High Agreeableness (maternal compassion, especially towards the helpless, but also extreme hostility towards those that threaten the helpless)

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For contrast here is the psychological profile of libertarians:

High IQ
High Openness (usually associated with liberalism, especially social liberalism)
Low Conscientiousness, especially Orderliness
Low Religiosity
Low Agreeableness

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And the psychological profile for ordinary liberals:

High Openness
Low Conscientiousness, especially Orderliness
Low Religiosity
High Agreeableness

Tomislav Ostojich said...

Giving platform to people like Charles Murray is like giving platform to Holocaust deniers. Nobody can believe that the Holocaust is a hoax without bad faith, and nobody can believe that some races are statistically significantly dumber than others without bad faith.

Free speech is not an ideal in a vacuum: it presupposes good faith. Free speech should not be granted to those who hold beliefs in bad faith.

Brandon said...

Free speech is not an ideal in a vacuum: it presupposes good faith. Free speech should not be granted to those who hold beliefs in bad faith.

The obvious problem with this is that there is in fact no way to tell whether a person holds beliefs in bad faith or not unless you let them speak.

RG said...

Meta-intolerance presents itself as passionately opposed to intolerance but is itself intolerant. The expression "I cannot tolerate intolerance" shows this attitude.

jem said...

Giving platform to people like Charles Murray is like giving platform to Holocaust deniers. [...] Free speech should not be granted to those who hold beliefs in bad faith.

Is this to say that the particular ideas Murray was lecturing on were ones in "bad faith"?

Or is it to say that anyone who espouses something you deem to be in "bad faith" should not be allowed to publicly speak on anything, even ideas separate from the "bad faith" ones?

What would you do with the determination that your rule to suppress ideas of "bad faith" is actually itself an example of "bad faith"?

Samuel M said...

I'd argue the opposite, that to believe that people with vast physical difference, who, according to science, have evolved seperately for thousands upon thousands of years in drastically different environments, would end up mentally identical, is much more of a "bad faith position". Except insofar as it's been hammered into them.

Moreover charles was attacked for failing the mention "the hidden figures" put forward as having had a pivotal role in that calumnious film.

Thursday said...

We're going to find out if different average economic performance among different racial groups has a genetic component within the next 3-5 years. The studies are already being done.

Tomislav Ostojich said...

I'd argue the opposite, that to believe that people with vast physical difference, who, according to science, have evolved seperately for thousands upon thousands of years in drastically different environments, would end up mentally identical, is much more of a "bad faith position".

There is nothing more unnatural to the Thomistic-Aristotelian system of thought than the idea of evolution. The fact that evolution logically does entail scientific racism is an excellent argument to

(1) Reject evolution

(2) Go back to Genesis

Tomislav Ostojich said...

Or is it to say that anyone who espouses something you deem to be in "bad faith" should not be allowed to publicly speak on anything, even ideas separate from the "bad faith" ones?

No, I do not believe that. Murray is allowed to lecture on anything else as he sees fit. For instance, Murray could be, in another possible world, an expert in algebraic geometry, and because his views on races has little to do with algebraic geometry, be free to speak on that on university property.

However, given that Murray is a conservative activist (i.e. apologizing for the status quo), it is obvious that his beliefs on race are not orthogonal from his beliefs on anything else he would choose to lecture. They would be intrinsically bound up.

What would you do with the determination that your rule to suppress ideas of "bad faith" is actually itself an example of "bad faith"?

So do you think we should give access to tuition and state-funded university property to Holocaust deniers to spread the idea that the Holocaust is a lie designed to advance domination of the world by an elite cabal of Rabbis and the world's foremost Jewry? There are many people in the world who believe that, you know. That is what your unrestricted idea of speech would entail.

Craig Payne said...

As I understand him, Murray argues that blacks in relation to whites display on average a different KIND of intelligence, not that they are less intelligent. For example, blacks on average are much better than whites in extemporaneous verbal engagement, while whites on average are better at analysis. You might disagree with this or think his views are unfounded, but to equate him with being a "Holocaust denier" is way over the top.

Anonymous said...

The question whether some races are "dumber" than others - at least in the sense of scoring significantly lower in a particular kind of IQ test, and with some operationalised definition of "race" - is one of empirical fact. This is either true, or false, and can be determined objectively by observation.

Under such circumstances arguments that "a priori" predict the outcome from a set of supposedly valid "first principles" are all suspicious. Where one can look to see what is the case, one should not insist on thinking it through with closed eyes.

Of course, empirical claims can be simply false. And empirical evidence is not self-interpreting either. There are plenty of ways in which Murray might be shown to be wrong. But where data is available it needs to be considered reasonably, not dismissed with prejudice.

Brandon said...

That is what your unrestricted idea of speech would entail.

This entailment is completely made up. For one thing, jem didn't give an "unrestricted idea of speech", or any account of freedom of speech at all; the comment was questioning the coherence of your 'bad faith' criterion. Which notably you did not do anything to defend.

Jeremy Taylor said...

Others have touched upon it, and it isn't a topic that interests me very much, but isn't it actually the case there is prima facie evidence of some differences in intelligence and aptitudes between the races (there is certainly so between the sexes)? It seems a little bit strange to say that someone arguing this, therefore, is completely beyond the pale and akin to a holocaust denier. It seems to border on the absurd and to be a good illustration of just the kind of silliness our host is describing.

Jeremy Taylor said...

Also, I believe Murray had not even gone to the college to talk about racial differences.

Andy said...

In the second sentence of this post, 'matter' should be 'manner'.

Thursday said...

There is nothing more unnatural to the Thomistic-Aristotelian system of thought than the idea of evolution.

Not so fast:
http://irishacademicpress.ie/product/aristotelian-interpretations/
http://creationism.org.pl/groups/ptkrmember/spor/2004/rourke%20aristotle-evolution.pdf

Tomislav Ostojich said...

the comment was questioning the coherence of your 'bad faith' criterion.

Why is it bad faith to believe that speech made in bad faith should be restricted? To allow speech made in bad faith is to allow people to spread intellectually toxic ideologies, which undermine the foundation of civilization. Holocaust deniers know that it happened, but they see any attempt to even put it into debate as a means of recruitment. This is guile and manipulation of civic freedom for unfree ends, and thus cannot be tolerated.

Others have touched upon it, and it isn't a topic that interests me very much, but isn't it actually the case there is prima facie evidence of some differences in intelligence and aptitudes between the races (there is certainly so between the sexes)?

(1) It isn't at the level of statistical significance, IIRC

(2) Belief in racial superiority is motivated by hatred, pride, and wanting to justify one's position (and all the benefits that come with it) as the apex predator of society. It is absolutely comparable to Holocaust denial.

Anonymous said...

Tomislav: I'm white European. I happen to be convinced by published studies that-on average-east Asians do better at IQ tests than we do. Does that make me a bigot?

Dianelos Georgoudis said...

Here comes a post by Feser one thinks is so perfectly and evidently reasonable that nobody would find anything amiss with it. But nevertheless interesting discussion issues. A few comments of my own:

@ Thursday: ”We're going to find out if different average economic performance among different racial groups has a genetic component within the next 3-5 years.”

Race strongly correlates with culture, so the cause of the probable differences will probably be of cultural origin. And statistically you can't completely eliminate the effect of culture, for example cultural preconceptions are given and unavoidable. Similarly, culture necessarily affects the educational environment which in turn affects all kinds of mental properties.

I mean it's quite alright that such studies are being done. What worries me is 1) their quality (even academic statistics are sometimes below par), and mostly 2) the potential that even good statistics will be abused by bigots.

I believe very strongly that there are no significant difference between the races as far cognitive capacity goes. The reason for my confidence is rather simple: We know enough about how biological features evolve and we know enough about the differences in the environment in which the races evolved to conclude that there is no mechanism that would produce significant differences in cognitive capacity.

On the other hand we also know how causally important cultural and in general environmental effects are. For example parents' expectations of their childrens' academic success is a strong predictor of that success. Not to mention the quality of the teachers at school. If I am wrong and there are measurable biological differences between races, these differences will be insignificant compared to the environmental effects.

Incidentally, given our understanding of biological evolution it's more probable that there are significant differences in cognitive capacity between the sexes than between the races. I understand such differences have been measured. So, for example, it was found that women are better at communication and men are better at three-dimensional visualization. But even here the cause may be cultural rather than biological.

Dianelos Georgoudis said...

@Tomislav Ostojich: ”do you think we should give access to tuition and state-funded university property to Holocaust deniers”

No, because public money should be invested only in ideas that pass a minimum bar of generally recognized seriousness, and the same goes for funding the teaching of ideas (including fundamentalist religious ideas in a scientific class). On the other hand if in an academic setting a researcher wants to argue that there have been errors in the historical analysis of the Holocaust, including errors in the estimate of the number of victims, then I think she should be welcome to do so, because if she is right then truth is served, and if she is wrong then truth is served also, since the open and critical debate realized in academia is the most efficient environment for proving falsities. To put obstacles to the free expression of false ideas may well backfire. So I think it serves the public interest if people are allowed and even encouraged to defend in an academic setting any unpopular idea they may have, including say a biologist arguing that the is some deep flaw in the Darwinian account of the evolution of the species, or a cosmologist arguing that the universe is far less old than generally believed, or a philosopher arguing that Islam is a religion that pushes people towards violence.

All societies put some limits to free speech. In Germany, for example, to deny the Holocaust is a crime punishable by law. Given Germany's history such a policy perhaps serves the public interest. In general though I hold that free speech is a right as long as 1) it does not produce significant harm to the public interest (say, to teach how build weapons of mass destruction), and 2) it is not *designed* to hurt other people or even designed to provoke violent acts (as I hold some antireligious speech to be, as well as some anti-abortion speech).

Jeremy Taylor said...

Tomislav,

I am not an expert, or particularly interested, but I have certainly heard and read differently to your point 1). The point is not that it is correct there are differences based in race/genetics, but it is at least a defensible position, and it seems just silly to rule out all consideration of it a priori as beyond the pale.

Your point 2) seems to leap to a hell of a lot of conclusions. Why you'd assume someone claiming differences must believe in some blanket superiority or they must be motivated by the sinister motives you mention.

Brandon said...

Why is it bad faith to believe that speech made in bad faith should be restricted? To allow speech made in bad faith is to allow people to spread intellectually toxic ideologies, which undermine the foundation of civilization. Holocaust deniers know that it happened, but they see any attempt to even put it into debate as a means of recruitment. This is guile and manipulation of civic freedom for unfree ends, and thus cannot be tolerated.

This wasn't what jem said, either. The question was:

What would you do with the determination that your rule to suppress ideas of "bad faith" is actually itself an example of "bad faith"?

Anyone can go around claiming that speech they disagree with is made in bad faith. To take an example that might perhaps clarify things, in the past few years I have, personally, been witness to people having insisted, explicitly (using literally the same phrase you are using), that all of the following are such that anyone who claimed to believe them could only be doing so in bad faith:

Catholicism
Thomism
that gay marriage is reasonable
that marriage is of one man and one woman
that there are only two genders
that there are more than two genders
that climate change is not a pressing issue
that President Trump's travel ban is unjust

People do this to their opponents in controversial matters all the time. If we had a system in which it is assumed that one has no right of free speech in matters of bad faith -- your original claim was, "Free speech should not be granted to those who hold beliefs in bad faith," which at least sounds a lot stronger than merely saying that free speech should be 'restricted' -- then people will certainly do it much more. If someone decides to label your view, "an intellectual toxic ideology, which undermines the foundation of civilization," whatever the reason, how does that get handled?

That's the first and primary point, but it's perhaps worth noting as well that a great many people, although not so many as used to, agree with Frederick Douglass that free speech is a human right making it possible for people to participate in their society at all; no doubt you don't believe that, but that will sound a lot like a "foundation of civilization" to those who do believe it.

Greg said...

It is worth reading Newman on bigotry as opposed to wisdom.

Anonymous said...

I'm baffled by this talk from Thomists about differences in evolution of intelligence between races. I thought the human intellect was the one thing Thomists thought was off limits when it came to material-evolutionary explanations?

Greg said...

@ Anon

Thomists think that the use of intellect on earth relies on one's sensory capacities. Every human is intelligent in that it has a root capacity for engaging in intellectual activities. Obviously from that it does not follow that everyone is equally intelligent. Babies and people with Down syndrome, for instance, have intellects but are not as intelligent as adults or people without such conditions. ('Intelligence' is being used in two distinct senses here. Whatever is measured by IQ tests and other measures clearly depends on the material aspects of our embodiment.)

I haven't read Murray's work, but I don't see how anyone a priori could rule out the possibility that some races are better disposed for intellectual activities than others. I don't think Thomistic anthropology will do it for you, nor will any other anthropology. Antecedently it is rather implausible that all races have literally the same intellectual abilities. The differences, though, might be rather minuscule and perhaps are easily trumped by cultural factors. That's an empirical question which antecedently seems very difficult to resolve. It may also be that whatever differences there are in intellectual ability do not warrant differential treatment. That is an ethical question.

pizza guy said...

Tomislav: (2) Belief in racial superiority is motivated by hatred, pride, and wanting to justify one's position (and all the benefits that come with it) as the apex predator of society. It is absolutely comparable to Holocaust denial.

The following are distinct:

(1) There is a race-belated statistical difference in outcomes on IQ tests.

(2) Races have statistical differences in their intelligence.

(3) Some race(s) are superior to others.

A scientific finding validating (1) would provide insufficent basis to assert (3), and in addition nobody here who mentioned (1) as possible even suggested that it might imply (3). You are tilting at the wrong windmills here.

Dianelos: I believe very strongly that there are no significant difference between the races as far cognitive capacity goes. The reason for my confidence is rather simple: We know enough about how biological features evolve and we know enough about the differences in the environment in which the races evolved to conclude that there is no mechanism that would produce significant differences in cognitive capacity.

I believe very strongly that we don't know enough about how biological features evolve to know that.

We have only been recording stuff for less than 6,000 years (a short period in evolutionary terms) and have been investigating genetic changes scientifically for about 150 years (a mere snapshot). We have pretty good evidence for some things, especially about some biological structures that provide survival traits in present day animals and plants. We have hardly even begun to scientifically watch genetic structures change to produce evolutionary changes in populations - at least above the microbe level - and we don't have a very good grasp on the ways in which randomness is involved in outcomes, though we know it is. It is far more realistic to say that we have created a lot of colorful accounts of how some biological structures may have come about evolutionarily, but since we did not observe them coming about we can only guess whether they did in fact come about that way.

As for intelligence and evolution, there is no reason to doubt that purely accidental (random) genetic variation in separated populations could have produced differences in some aspects of intelligence in those populations without there being any survival-based directive modifications to the populations, because this is the sort of random accidental change (neither for nor against survival) that random changes would produce in short time periods (evolutionarily speaking).

If I am wrong and there are measurable biological differences between races, these differences will be insignificant compared to the environmental effects.

I assume you mean "biologically caused differences in intelligence", right?

Did you mean that they will be scientifically insignificant because the environmental effects will completely overshadow the heritable causes, so that no scientific conclusion of "significance" can be located for biological causes? Or just that the environmental effects will be quite a bit larger than the biological ones?

Did you mean that you think that the biological differences will be found to be much smaller, or that you believe that they are much smaller is already a definitely fact known?

Tony said...

I'm baffled by this talk from Thomists about differences in evolution of intelligence between races. I thought the human intellect was the one thing Thomists thought was off limits when it came to material-evolutionary explanations?,

Nothing in Thomism precludes micro-evolution, if that is understood to occur entirely within one species. Indeed, micro-evolution is quite conformable to Thomism. And that's all that's necessary to assert that different identifiable populations of humans may exhibit different intelligence results.

Timocrates said...

Micro-evolution would be just a species trying to realize its full natural potential. Macro-evolution is problematic for various reasons in Thomism, not least because a change of species implies pursuit of non-existence which is actually contrary to the impetus of evolution, which is the progression and preservation of the species.

Furthermore, the species would cease a process of evolution upon becoming another species and itself never actually attain that stage of evolution for it has ceased to exist as the subject of acquired properties or attributes.

Tony said...

Bigotry is essentially the Big 5 personality trait low Openness to Experience, it is one of the main predictors of political conservatism.

Thursday, the number of assumptions built into "the Big 5" and the article you linked is very high, and at least in this forum I doubt that trying to sort through them for ones that hold sufficient water to forge ahead with is worth it. Certainly debating each one of those many assumptions would be foreign to the meta-bigotry topic of this post - except perhaps as shining examples of bigotry or meta-bigotry.

DNW said...

" Oxford defines a bigot as “a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.” Merriam-Webster tells us that a bigot is “a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices.”

Until I read that, I had always assumed that "bigotry" was a bad thing.

Anonymous said...

'Nothing in Thomism precludes micro-evolution, if that is understood to occur entirely within one species. Indeed, micro-evolution is quite conformable to Thomism. And that's all that's necessary to assert that different identifiable populations of humans may exhibit different intelligence results.'

That's not the issue I'm having. I understand that a Thomist could accept some forms of evolution. What I don't understand is how to make metaphysical sense of this, at least with regard to the intellect. While the intellect according to Thomism is dependent on the senses for knowledge, it is still immaterial. I can understand physical things being spoken of as evolving, but from what I grasp of Thomist philosophy the human capacity for reason is a supernatural gift, not a product of a material process. Can someone explain this to me?

DNW said...



"There is nothing more unnatural to the Thomistic-Aristotelian system of thought than the idea of evolution. The fact that evolution logically does entail scientific racism is an excellent argument to

(1) Reject evolution"


Goodness. Is this the an attempted rebuttal of an ostensibly factual premise based on its emotionally unpalatable social implications?

Well, it might be that evolution is incompatible with Thomistic understandings of Aristotle; but it seems likely that the Aristotelian-like doctrine of natural kinds can be defended in, or out, of an evolutionary context.

What may not survive outside, is either monogenesis, or any meaningful moral implications said to derive from the tattered family fabric such as might remain after 100,000 to 40k years of evolution have finished with it.

But then again it may not even take so long as that. We all know the Dutch are evilly other, and they almost look like normal people.

DNW said...

see above

"the/an"

Timocrates said...

@ Jeremy Taylor,

I imagine genetics plays an enormous part in people's capacity for learning. Given that we acquire our knowledge from the senses, the acuteness of our senses and anything related to it biologically will unsurprisingly affect our ability to learn. Now whether or not there are racial traits that normally carry with them consequences for the senses is another matter, but it wouldn't in the least surprise me. Environment/climate also no doubt will take its toll as not all environments are conducive to learning or study - and as it were a million other factors could be introduced. But I don't see why a Thomist would be worried about whether or not racial traits affect someone's ability to learn or advance in knowledge, for better or worse. What matters is the capacity to learn at all. Now we haven't even touched on the brain or parts of the brains that are materially important for things like memory or imagination, which again is obviously crucial for human learning. Regardless, even if we do find racial traits that are conducive or disadvantageous to learning or acquiring knowledge, this does nothing to affect anyone's humanity as such.

Timocrates said...

As regards evolution, the only thing I really hate about the idea is the stupidity that it counts as progress for a species to annihilate itself. Non-existence is exactly what is most naturally reprehensible to all living things; therefore, for me it is just bafflingly stupid to suggest that any species is inherently geared toward its own annihilation. Such a creature would be an absurdity: like all living things, it would seek with all its might to maintain its own individual existence (and concomitantly its own species necessarily, as this is necessary for the preservation of its individual actuality) while simultaneously be in process of ending and tending towards its own total extinction, both individually and specially! It's a farce from the get-go.

Now every living organism seeks the preservation of its own existence and even tries to evade death by reproduction: the individual is destined to corruption and death but by reproduction some likeness of it is at least preserved. To become another species, then, would be a complete last resort in some sort of attempt to preserve and replicate at least its animate nature.

Furthermore, there are serious problems with every living thing trying to become a master species, as it were, because the hierarchy of life requires lower organisms: if every living organism were advancing up the ladder, so to speak, then what is necessary for life - food and especially vegetative food, which being the most basic form of life would also be the most desirous of advancement, as it lacks even mobility to evade destruction - would vanish, and this would result in the death of all living creatures on earth. Mass extinction is progress now?

Now some might point out that it is exactly vegetative forms of life that seem, as it were, most content with their own destruction by way of consumption as in part this is one of the most efficacious ways for the creature to perpetuate and multiply its kind. But if this is so, then evolution runs up against a serious problem, as vegetative life is the most basic kind of life and in an evolutionary model necessarily the mother and root of all life. But it is specifically this kind of life the existence and preservation of which is most necessary for more advanced forms of life. Therefore, if evolution is true, then evolution is inherently an existential threat to more advanced forms of life, tending to their extinction. But this is exactly what every living thing is supposed to be open to becoming and even, if anything, tending to! Evolution turns out to be a necessarily self-destructive system caused and perpetuated by a an innate impulse towards evading destruction!

Fred said...

Forgive my skepticism, Thursday, but that sounds to me like one of those self-serving BS studies liberals periodically conduct to give a scientific patina to their delusions of moral and intellectual superiority.

Greg said...

@ Anon

While the intellect according to Thomism is dependent on the senses for knowledge, it is still immaterial. I can understand physical things being spoken of as evolving, but from what I grasp of Thomist philosophy the human capacity for reason is a supernatural gift, not a product of a material process.

Right. But possessing an intellect in Aquinas's sense is not the same as performing tasks on IQ tests. It is not the same, either, with using one's intellect. Both of those things might depends on factors other than the binary possession of an intellect. So a Thomist could hold that various 'physical' factors are correlated with the sort of things Murray is interested in while also holding that all humans have an intellect and God must have created their intellectual souls.

Thursday said...

I can understand physical things being spoken of as evolving, but from what I grasp of Thomist philosophy the human capacity for reason is a supernatural gift, not a product of a material process. Can someone explain this to me?

The AT position is, basically, that the move from animal to human requires special divine intervention at some point, precisely because you can never get an immaterial intellect from a purely material being like an animal. Humans as they are now cannot simply evolve from animals, though this does not necessarily rule out common ancestry.

Anonymous said...

@Thursday
How can God intervene to create if He can't even change?

Anonymous said...

Weren't you complaining about Hilary Clinton and her parties"anti-Catholic bigotry" awhile ago even though what they said really wasn't "bigotry" as your post pointed out? So what, is it only "bigotry" when someone disagrees with YOU? Sheesh, why is when you step out of your field, you become the Catholic Dawkins?

Jason said...

@Anonymous 1:40am

God cannot change into something different so as to no longer be God (eternal, immaterial, etc.) But from this, it doesn't follow that God cannot create or intervene.

@Anonymous 3:33am

What exactly are you trying to say? Bigotry is the act of being intolerant toward those holding differing opinions. And meta-bigotry is when one tosses around the word bigot in a manner which is itself bigoted (as per above definition). Clinton, and her party fulfill both definitions.

So your question 'why is it only "bigotry" when someone disagrees with you' is a loaded one. And your remark "why is when you step out of your field, you become the Catholic Dawkins," is nothing but empty rhetoric.

Anonymous said...

@Jason
so if God creates won't go from not being a creator to being a creator?

Lorraine said...

What would be a good strategy for testing whether the original post here is an example of meta-meta-bigotry? For some reason, I come out of reading it feeling somehow gaslit.

Mr. Green said...

Anonymous: so if God creates won't go from not being a creator to being a creator?

No; God exists outside of time, so there is no "going", He just always is creating. It can be misleading to put into language, because we are temporal creatures, and our language is tensed. However, the only changes are from our perspective — whatever our way of speaking may be, it no more means that God changes, than our speaking of "the hand of God", etc. means that God has a body.

Mr. Green said...

Timocrates: Macro-evolution is problematic for various reasons in Thomism, not least because a change of species implies pursuit of non-existence which is actually contrary to the impetus of evolution, which is the progression and preservation of the species.

No thing actually changes in "macro-evolution"; that's a common but sloppy way of talking that obscures the actual process. Really, some new thing may come into existence, just as new things continually do, except sometimes the new thing is the first of its kind. As has been noted many times before, Aquinas famously allows for this possibility. (Whether it could or would happen according to the proposed biological patterns, is largely for biologists to figure out.)

Furthermore, the species would cease a process of evolution upon becoming another species and itself never actually attain that stage of evolution for it has ceased to exist as the subject of acquired properties or attributes.

Since "species" do not become anything, there's nothing to worry about. There is no reason, evolutionarily speaking, why a given species might not continue to exist even when it circumstantially gave rise to some new species; if the first species happened to go out of existence, this would be no more remarkable than any other situation in which a species might go extinct.


But this is exactly what every living thing is supposed to be open to becoming and even, if anything, tending to! Evolution turns out to be a necessarily self-destructive system caused and perpetuated by a an innate impulse towards evading destruction!

Biological evolution doesn't have any 'impulses' or 'supposed to's. Anyone who says so doesn't understand it or is trying to pull a fast one on you. There are, of course, various philosophical notions of "evolution" that are intertwined with various ideas of progress, but their only connection to biology is an attempt to ride on its presumably respectable coattails. (Sometimes, even actual biologists get confused, but we should resist the temptation to throw the baby out with the bathwater.)

Anonymous said...

Mr. Green said

No; God exists outside of time, so there is no "going", He just always is creating. It can be misleading to put into language, because we are temporal creatures, and our language is tensed. However, the only changes are from our perspective — whatever our way of speaking may be, it no more means that God changes, than our speaking of "the hand of God", etc. means that God has a body.


That does make sense but isn't it too incredulous and mysterious? Why do thomists complain when for instance some humean raises puzzles about causation and our intuitions of it If they,themselves gonna appeal to mysterious nature of God? How can they convince the critic that their account is better than theirs?

Jeffrey S. said...

I'm coming late to this party, but I just wanted to thank pizza guy for his excellent comment. You really nailed the essence of the problem with Tomislav's objections to Murray (who, as Ed points out, is a careful and judicious scholar.)

A couple of additional points:

1) it is worth pointing out that no one serious at this point denies that when taking IQ tests (or other tests that measure IQ) Jews outscore whites by almost a standard-deviation, and then Asians outscore whites by about half a standard-deviation, and then whites outscore blacks by one standard deviation: http://www.vdare.com/articles/why-do-we-keep-writing-about-intelligence-an-iq-faq

2) evolution can work fast -- Cochran and Harpending think it worked on us over the past 10,000 years (and on the Jews over the past 500 years): https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0042FZRPC/ref=dp-kindle-redirect/166-8503651-0976303?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

You should check out Greg's blog for a discussion of these issues: https://westhunt.wordpress.com/

I don't recommend posting foolish comments -- Greg does not suffer fools lightly!

Anonymous said...

Are you really citing vdare. com, a racist, white nationalist, anti-mmigrant website as a credible source? It seems that this post is attracting some unwanted visitors.......

The reason the race/intelligence thing is so controversial is because most of the time those citing it are white nationalist/supremacist/neo-nazis(Murray himself has been labelled a white nationalist FYI) etc, and these are NOT the kind of people you want to associate with now do we? As far as I know this issue is not taken seriously by REAL scientist who study it.