JonTron: My Statement

Dudeofallteenages · 28分前

So as it turns out, we still had a few approved submitters that were able to post despite the lockdown. Oops. So, since OP did get here first, this post is now an announcement. Commenters, you'll be expected to act in a civil manner, any rule-breaking will be investigated.

SegataSam · 1時間前

i don't know how i'm able to post things despite the lockdown but he made a video so you're welcome x

Miscellaneous777 · 1時間前

I'm glad he decided to talk about this, and this video feels a lot more well-thought out than the Destiny debate.

I'm also glad he said that he's taking a step back from all this and getting back to Comedy, which means we can get back to Shitposting! :)

SpahgattaNadle · 1時間前

Sure, but at the same time it's difficult to take Jon at face value when he says to 'not read into' the stuff that he said. It seems inadequate to me to make some pretty out there and racist statements and then say 'don't read into it' or 'don't dissect it'.

SalokinSekwah · 1時間前

Overall, stick to making funny videos.

Jumping from left to right to left to right while throwing out political "opinions" is not Jon's thang

BlueThunderBomb · 1時間前

I'm glad Jon decided to do a proper statement, the flustering on the stream didn't help, and i'm glad this is going to be "the end" of politic shit from Jon.

lackingsaint · 52分前

Uh... are people really listening to this or just kind of hearing his tone of voice and assuming he's cleared things up? He dipped his toes into actual apologising for his volatile arguments and misguided "facts", and then immediately started defending himself by saying "I just think white people should be able to protect the interests of their race". That ENTIRE debate was asking what he actually means by "protecting the interests of the white race", and his complete inability to explain that without coming off as a massive racist was the problem. Now he's coming in and saying "People are upset by facts and statistics" without actually acknowledging when he used debunked "rich blacks commit more crime than poor whites" statistics to try to argue this was something inherent to black people? So basically he "apologizes" but also stands by everything that everyone criticized him for, so nothing was actually cleared up but Gaming Reviews Incoming!

As an aside, perplexed by his citing of that Mic video at 2:51 as some kind of anti-white "garbage". That video is expressly about highlighting how all of us, regardless of race, suffer from racial bias. You'd think he'd watch the video before using it as an example.

kitthehacker · 1時間前

This is kinda bullshit.

Nowhere does he admit to any kind of fault despite claiming things that are demonstrably incorrect. He even completely contradicted several things he originally said without ever mentioning that he got it wrong the first time round.

Plus, he may have been flustered in the moment and a poor debater but the issue was never the specifics of what he said or how it can be construed. The issue is the fundamental ideology behind those things he said. Even if people are taking the things he said further or more literally or worse than what he actually believes, it doesn't matter because even the most mild version of what he was saying is still really fuckin' racist.

Ironic that he says he hopes people keep learning when he's clearly learned nothing from the conversation that's arisen as a result of all this.

notHiro · 1時間前

I wish he would have clarified some things. If you want to avoid answering why you think young black males in America have high crime statistics because you're afraid of sounding racist, that's a problem. If you truly think there's currently no discrimination in America, that's not because you came in unprepared for a debate. You can't just give a blanket statement about how you were misrepresented when you mention people assimilating into the gene pool.

I know a lot of people are going to take this as an apology and move on, but it seems to me he doesn't really think any differently. Slamming the Irish thing in the video seems like he did it just say, "see, I don't believe that stuff!" when it's clear via his twitter and the debate he has a really warped perception of some things.

PotluckPony · 1時間前

See, if this Jon who seems well rested, collected and prepared had been at the debate, there would likely have been almost no controversy or outrage.

Edit: Point is, I don't think a lot of the disgusting things he said came from a place of hatred, as much as ignorance. Both hatred and ignorance can be changed. To me the fact Jon corrects many ignorant statements he had made in the debate with this video shows progress in that regard. I think a more prepared Jon would have been a less ignorant Jon.

kaszzai · 49分前

It's not a matter of "expressing himself badly" or "being misinterpreted". It wasn't an isolated incident it was a whole debate in which he went on and on about things he obviously knows not enough about to speak of them. Also I don't know how you can misinterpete "If you dont think we've gotten rid of discrimination, you are living in a fantasy land". I'm glad he will shut up about politics though.

TheBankaiMaster · 1時間前

I feel like this video should've been longer and gone more into detail instead of sweeping the whole thing under a rug but w/e hope he learned from this

NoPickles · 1時間前

If john want's people stop thinking in racial terms why is he parroting white nationalist speak?

If he isn't a white nationalist why did he say it makes sense for White people to want to stay a majority.

Jon Tron is a part of this regression on race.

If you watched the stream JonTron knew what he was saying and stopped himself from saying even more dumb shit.

also

If he wants to clarify what he said he should read aloud his own words and explain them.

Arkonisas · 1時間前

I don't know, I have a hard time trusting him. I understand that under pressure you sometimes say things you come to regret, but he litteraly said there is no discrimination in america anymore. What else could he have possibly meant by that ?

I still think Destiny pushed him too far and he said what he actually thought deep down

skelitor121 · 1時間前

Regardless of what Jon says, I'm a bit disappointed that he thinks his statement means anything now that he's had his time to go back over his points and change them and research them. It's a bit bullshit to think that your opinions only work out well when they're unquestioned, untested and unparalleled. Jon is only capable of sounding like a smart man when he's sitting in his room, alone, an echo chamber of transparency, but when he's put up against someone who asks him to explain or challenges his opinion he devolves to ridiculous statements and racism, and we're supposed to think he's gotten the raw deal outta that?

You're reading this and thinking, maybe, I'm too harsh on Jon in this statement. I don't think so-- here's why; If Jon knows that his statements only sound good undebated, then why did he go into a debate? -- Why make it a point to communicate this at all? sharing your opinions is one thing but to go out and INVITE ARGUMENTS when you can't hold together a point is a bit fucking stupid. I don't blame Jon for being a poor conversationalist in that debate, I don't think his opinions were inherently flawed, only that he delivered them so shitty -- like hes saying IN this explanation-- but he hasn't really addressed why this redeems him when it was indeed his decision to start this.

Lemme post-preface this by saying I never thought Jon was a "nazi", and even despite his statements I was skeptical he was a racist. You can see my previous posts (before the lockdown) where I got called such bad names by both sides for what seems to be a skeptical neutrality in the matter, but I am dissatisfied with this response. Jon cherrypicked topics that he wanted to clarify, and exposed them as if they were rational things, not really explaining why Rough-Draft-1 of these thoughts contained such sterling bits like on Tibet or Japan or South Africa..

Jon didn't address why he, as an immigrant, said things like "immigration is an assault of culture", only writing it off as "oh no I meant THIS".. In fact, he didn't address ANYTHING. All the questions are still unanswered, he has simply responded "I am not a racist if you ignore the racist things I said and just remember that racism is a bad thing and I am not bad I swear"

I love ya, Jon. I love that you DID make a response. Ya fucked up, and I can forgive you. I love that you tried to come out and be genuine to us, I recognize that. But the biggest glaring thing you haven't addressed is "WHY". He says "I never thought this," "I never meant that," -- then why did you say them? And if you said them under duress, why did you insist on debating those matters like you were always right? If you can see the issue with what you said in the heat of the moment now, why not then?

EDIT: Didn't Jon say racial discrimination doesn't exist anymore in the Stream? Wouldn't that undo literally everything he just said? Lol, I'm probably wrong.

kidsan · 1時間前

Damage Control - The Movie

Jbg35 · 56分前

I had a lot of side eye going on watching this. I'm not going to touch on his start on the media because that's just a dodge.

Firstly, increasing tribalization: this is the good ol' 'we should all be together!' stance when people want to shut down conversation and here is why that's a problem. People see in terms of 'race' or 'sex' or 'gender' because one aspect of society greatly wants to make what is not on top lesser. Whether that be through rights, laws or however such they'd like to keep people down.

Then he says people don't want to have an honest conversation especially when you bring up an uncomfortable statistic. He doesn't say which ones he brought up were uncomfortable, though. Was it the one where wealthy black men were more likely to commit a crime than poor white men? I'd sure be interested in knowing but it's not in this video.

The Samantha Bee bit was cute with the 'Well, what if she said this about black people!' and the 'I'm not saying that's true' follow up.

He then wonders why people label themselves as Dash-American when we should all be americans. Look at our census forms. Or job forms. Heck, look at anything you apply to and there'll be a thing asking you what your race is. And that's always seperate from whether you're actually a national or not. That's not even counting all the people that don't really want you at the table so identifiers are claimed to keep their self worth. But they still end in 'American' so what the hell does it matter what people call themselves?

Not once did he say he was sorry, or apologize or even that he might've been wrong. Just that he didn't articulate himself well.

So tell me again why this is okay just because he had time to think about what he wanted to say.

alcaste19 · 1時間前

A statement. Not an apology or rescinding.

My dude, it's not enough. Brainwashed my /pol/ and now you hate me, a diehard fan. Apologize.

tatertatertatertot · 21分前

No one is misconstruing what he said.

It was said as straightforwardly as possible.

He says he's against tribalism and racial thinking...but HE kept doing exactly that, over and over and over again. Then he blames everyone else by saying they don't want an honest conversation about race.

This is a common tactic used to weasel out of saying racist shit too loud...just suddenly convert into "why is everyone so obsessed with race, get rid of the hyphens" sort of stuff. Even when the person was JUST talking about supposedly innate and irreconcilable racial differences.

And then he whines about Samantha Bee comedy bits? Jesus, Jon.

He is doubling down again, just this time he's decided to blame everyone else for his own mistakes, shirk all personal responsibility, and pretend he didn't say what he said.

Squeejee09 · 1時間前

Here's the problem. John says the country would be better if we stop thinking on terms of race. But the whole white supremacist assumption people jumped to was based on his statements that the white majority in America is super important to our country and is under threat. And it isn't just the debate, that's merely the last and most explosive chapter of this whole debacle - let's not forget what he said and wrote elsewhere leading up to it.

This whole video is just backtracking and it shows. He's trying to downplay what happened, re-frame what he said, and offer a bit more defense to what's left of his positions all at once and it was honestly more sad to hear than if he went for a full retraction or even doubled down on what he was saying. I would really like to go back to passively just assuming JohnTron is a super cool guy behind the camera, but the cat is out of the bag on what he believes and frankly that's going to be a permanent black mark on him in my mind.

thesnakeinthegarden · 41分前

"I said black people are bad for society compared to whites, but it came off racist, so I wish i had said it in a way that didn't make people think I was racist."

No one is bothered by how you said it.

otherwiseyep · 30分前

This is a mush-mouthed non-apology. He's doubling down on all the stuff he got called out for. He doesn't "suck at debate", he just has shitty, stupid, racist opinions, and he wants to go back to a one-sided reality where he gets to do all the talking, and everybody else just listens.

getintheVandell · 36分前

I.. Hate the way he phrases this.

"You're all just misconstruing my words. But don't worry, let me tell you how it is."

Like, dude.. Can you just say that maybe, maybe, you were vastly uninformed about some topics and you're open to listening and discovering? Please?

Rick_Tobberman · 47分前

Nah Jon that's not how it works, you can't just retract all the shit you said, or act like you never said them. "I know the irish were descriminated against" that certaintly wasn't what you thought 2 days ago. This entire video is disengenus and kind of disgusting. Sadly it seems like the fanbase at large is eating it up.

Gamegrumps505 · 48分前

Damage Control: The Video

tactopoda · 1時間前

Honestly just seems like he hasn't learnt a thing, and he's gonna get a lot of people patting him on the back making him feel good about it all.

He wasn't racist, he wasnt misrepresenting statistics, he wasn't downplaying actual struggles and complex topics, arguing racist troll worthy shit that actually harms people at the end of the day, he was just misunderstood (and don't forget, "fuck white people" is the big problem).

I'm just so disappointed. And really fucking sad. Ah well.

Leonnis · 1時間前

Seems like he contradicted himself on some statements, hmmm.

Looks like he thinks that discrimination exists now as opposed to what he said before.

RandomDudeOnReddit · 1時間前

What did he mean by

"for those who see everything in terms of race, to suddenly turn around and object when white people speak up in what they believe are in the best interests of their race."

EDIT: If a group of white people were to decide on the best interest of themselves, I don't really care but how far do you go with that? Legislation that only benefits the group of white people? Is that constitutional for a law to only benefit the white population? Do we have laws that POC only benefit from and the white population doesn't benefit?

EDIT 2: You can't have laws that benefited one (X) group of people while shutting out another group (Y) of people and then take away the laws while X group still have the benefits, like that's is the history of the US. Whites at one time had many benefits that the law permitted them to have while excluding other groups of people, once these laws were found to show a disadvantage to POC, then the laws were rescinded. But in that removal, the benefits that white people had weren't taken away, the benefits were taken and who knows may have evolved into another peripheral benefit that may have not been observed originally.

Hydreigonfan01 · 1時間前

Will this video lengthen or shorten the restriction on the site?

luckybunny95 · 34分前

I for one am glad he cleared things up, and to be honest he makes sense in his arguments. Not complete sense, but some none the less. I do enjoy his videos, and I find him to be a hilarious person, but honestly politics can bring the worst in all of us.

FlatlineMonday · 21分前

Yeah I don't buy it. He won't address the two biggest and ugliest statements he made which IMO are the "gene pool" statement and the "crime rates consistent with Africa" statement. Sorry Jon but that shit is inexcusable.

RetroPirate1 · 15分前

"jon is still racist!!!"

"he still said racist shit wah wah!!!"

fuck you, that's his opinion get over it

xirb · 1時間前

So what's his excuse for saying foreigners dilute the gene pool?

Sheeploss · 1時間前

Looks like he just repeat his views less explicitly and whined about white people

rasmp · 1時間前

All the shitty things i said were due to me being nervous. Let's not talk about all the false statistics i perpetuated, i diden't know better, gosh!

Anyways, HUwhite racism is a real problem

Wolfwatching78x · 1時間前

At least he didnt apologise. Those outlets shown say racially charged shit all the time and are applauded. Its fine to generalise and pubicly hate white people, speak of them in terns which otherwise would be unnacceptable to any other group, so dont be surprised if theres a push back. There cannot be identity politics for every group on the planet but whites. Jon may not have framed it right, but he is right on the issue. Destiny may be a better debater, but he judges standard of living by affordability of an iphone, and is fine with the exploitation of workers, while virtue signalling the talking points of champaigne drinking sjws. The last group to really be attacked for their priveledge were jews. By all means though, keep pushing the mass immigration argument and going against the wishes of the majority of working class people, make them compete in a rat race for jobs then call them nazis and racists. You soon will have the rise of real fascism, and we'll all be fucked. The fact tge centre is drifting should set off alarm bells for all of you commentaters here that want to call Jon racist and nazi, this is the world cultural marxism is creating.

987f · 1時間前

Collectivism vs. individualism. The internet has given people with strong group identity an outlet.

SupremeKai4 · 28分前

Ok, so it seems to me that Jon might still be generalizing a race based on a statistic that may or may not be true. I'm going to separate the artist from the art though. I got really mad the other day and vowed to never watch a JonTron video again, but I've cooled down and I'm over it. May the shooting continue.

Lentle26 · 6分前

I agree with your opinion about the reverse racism stuff, but that was not the only thing in the stream. You said some pretty terrible things, and while I'm willing to believe some of it can be chalked up to bad debating skills, frankly some of it can't. Some of the statements you made were racist. Comparing a supposed wide spread white oppression to the Tibetan Genocide? You didn't even apologize for the some of the racist statements you made, you just made excuses and didn't own up to your actions.

Finally, what ever happened to you saying, "come at me with facts" when critizing SJW, yet you do the same thing in a political debate. To clarify, I hate both SJWS and altrighters cause they both are bullshit racists.

cigoth · 2分前

Lol destinyfanboys and SJW libtards getting BTFO on this subreddit. Good thing anti-Trumpers and destinyfags can't brigade the youtube comments, 90% of his fans will still watch his videos.

BroughtToYouByCoke · 1時間前

Jonny boy was prepared this time. Luckily people actually game him some times and Coca-Cola™ so he could make his arguments better than they were.

FilthyRedmond · 39分前

I'm gonna take a break from Jontron for a few months. I just want to come back in the future and see if things have changed. Maybe I'll watch the new videos, maybe not.

alcaste19 · 38分前

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Marelityermaw · 28分前

I was kinda hoping for more than this. Jon didn't say things that could be taken out of context and make him look bad, he made remarks that were legitimately racist, regardless if he meant them or not. I was expecting he'd actually acknowledge this or apologize for it, this video feels like a huge non-apology.

TheSneakySeal · 1時間前

ITT: fanboys forgiving a white supremacist. I'm all for comedy and forgiveness but he doesn't seem to have changed his views at all and until he unsubscribes from breitbart and T_D he's done for. His views are clouded with unfactual evidence where no discussion takes place.

totallynotazognoid84 · 1時間前

Good on Jon for defending his views in a more clear and well thought out manner, even though I still disagree with some of what he said.

Sadly, if I know the internet (and I do), people won't accept this. They're too petty and arrogant to accept that not everyone will agree with them, and will continue to keep the fire of hate burning.

NormallyScott · 43分前

Atleast he took the time to address it and I think he's being genuine so that's all that matters to me. Anyone else is free to disagree, but I won't listen to half-baked arguments.

MrIste · 9分前

This just seems like he's trying to catch the same controversy train as PewDiePie in order to save face. He opened the video by showing what articles wrote about him, as if they were unfair and he's a victim. He didn't apologize for the intent behind his arguments or the ultimate point he was making, just that he didn't do a good job of debating it. What kind of half-assed shit is that? How is Jon acting like he's the one trying to have an "honest conversation about race" while pulling statistics out of his ass and verifying that they're true with a smug laugh?

wilc8650 · 29分前

Poppin' some chest hair.

Domthecreator14 · 17分前

He's still gonna make a crazy amount of money and he's still going to think the way he does. It's whatever at this point, just give us new Jontent.

Nukemarine · 11分前

I've got no dog in this fight, didn't really look into what got JonTron in the hotseat, but the apology for what it was seemed ok. Only question I have is why are his teeth so bright?

Jellyra_ · 6分前

I unconditionally love JonTron.

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