[-]EmperorDragnea 59 points - [removed] (9 children)
Europeans are brainwashed into thinking that a perfect war exists and that muslims will ever be able to live with us. We fought Islam for 1400 years only for them to conquer Europe now, after so much bloodshed, without weapons.
[-]freakzilla149 32 points (3 children)
In their minds nothing has changed
This is the biggest issue with this whole debate, we in the west have moved on from the crusades, but Muslims around the world still bring it up as an act of injustice. They are still pining for the Caliphate.
[-]GearyDigit 23 points (1 children)
"The west has moved on from the crusades. Now let's nuke the middle-east while shouting Deus Volt."
[-]qemist 3 points
Deus Volt
Is that the new electric popemobile?
[-]enazj 16 points (1 children)
How the fuck has the West moved on from the crusades? Not a year goes by without pining for war in the Middle East and talk of how Muslims threaten the West and its integrity. The love of 'liberating' the Middle East is very much alive in the West
[-]anhedonia_sucks -1 points (1 children)
You're blaming the actions of Western governments and corporations on the citizens.
[-]enazj 12 points (1 children)
Because theres no public support for these sorts of things. Trump got 48% of the vote while talking about 'bombing the shit' out of the Middle East
[-]SigerianScammer [score hidden] (1 children)
And Hillary got 52% of the vote while actually bombing the shit out of the Middle East.
[-]enazj [score hidden] (1 children)
I don't like Hillary either. If the best defence of Trump you can come up with is that Hillary was also shit then that's not great
[-]SigerianScammer [score hidden] (1 children)
Iraq and Libya contributed immensely to the destabilization of the Middle East and the EU. If Trump does something stupid in Iran you could say both are equally bad, but so far, in the "foreign policy" department, it's not even close.
Hillary is a neocon who got the overwhelming backing of the neocons. Trump is not (so far).
[-]enazj [score hidden]
Trump is bombing Yemen as we speak. He's not helping the Middle East at all. Granted, he's done less harm than Obama and Clinton so far, but he'll likely end up doing just as much as they did in the first four years. All US foreign policy regarding the Middle East has been terrible
[-]saltandvinegarrr 7 points
Roughly 40% of Turkey is vehemently opposed to Erdogan's policies (But of course, he is a dictator so he disregards their opinions)
Nothing Erdogan says will actually change the birthrate of Turkish immigrants. He hasn't even been able to affect the birth rate of his own country. Freaking out because a dictator makes idle threats is silly, especially if your reaction will simply empower him for little gain.
[-]IAmAGermanShepherd 10 points
Amen
[-]HannPoe 13 points
You're paranoid, sectarian and you sound like a belligerent freak. Your life is much better now that you're not getting a kilij to your gut fighting for Wallachia; you might as well appreciate this. Turkish people are coming to your country? So what, they are human too and you can profit from each other like humans have for thousands of years in society. You just have to get over racism and sectarianism. You'll be extremely disappointed if you expect the world to remain an ethnically and culturally segregated place when communication and transportation are each passing year more affordable and widespread.
[-]famoussharktamer 13 points (3 children)
I am safe here
Yeah you're safe in one of the poorest most dysfunctional and crooked countries in Europe. Congratulations. Funny how all Romania's best and brightest flee to our Muslim-infested countries as soon as they've finished education. If every European country was like Romania the Arab world would still be ahead of us.
And what do you mean by "us"? Bosnians, Kosovars, Albanians and the 11 million Turks who live in Eastern Thrace are no longer Europeans? There have been Muslims in the UK in large numbers since the 1950s and 1960s. They are now in their third and even fourth generations. Most of them only speak English and have one nationality. They are here and they aren't leaving, least of all to fucking Romania.
[-]throwawayssss1111sss 9 points (1 children)
I am amazed by posts like this, Yes, the UK has an economy above the Romanian one (for now), but who built that economy? Why does it function so well? On top of what and whose foundations?
Islam, Sharia, Jihad, Burkas, forced circumcisions, genital mutilation,child marriage, cousin marriage, acid attacks, rape? Which one of these? Are any of these an Integral part of the UKs economic and political success?
[-]famoussharktamer 14 points (1 children)
(for now)
No, forever.
And our wealth was built on colonialism.
[-]throwawayssss1111sss 8 points (1 children)
Your wealth was built on industrialism, building industrial machinery and educating the populace.
edit: before 1800 Belgium was a rural shithole, they went down the same path as the UK did.
[-]famoussharktamer 14 points (1 children)
industrialism
Yes, and the investment behind that industrialism was entirely colonial money. Do a little research, this is not a point of historical contention.
[-]throwawayssss1111sss 2 points (1 children)
And what drove people to invest into Industrialism instead of hookers and blow?
Your point of historical contention doesnt understand that secularism drove industrialism into what it is, your point of contention doesn't understand that Da Vinci would've been killed by the Catholic church, your point is moot as Italy never had real colonies but still kickstarted the Renaisance.
People like you are those who insist on importing a problem and then brushing it under the rug believing that It will be fine one day. Hint, it wont be.
[-]famoussharktamer 7 points
And what drove people to invest into Industrialism instead of hookers and blow?
Aside from the fact that most of them were fairly serious Calvinists? The Lancashire cotton manufacturers were smarting after losing a lot of the money that they had invested into government bonds in South America, and they were looking for something vaguely tangible into which they could put their money. It just so happened that James Watt was developing his engine at the same time. The technology had actually been around since the start of the 18th century, but until then fate hadn't provided any investors to fund the miles and miles of railroad tracks.
Your point of historical contention doesnt understand that secularism drove industrialism into what it is
Again, the English manufacturing class were quite the zealots at the time. And the Renaissance was an extremely religious movement.
[-]tomatotomatotomato 1 points
I'll take dysfunctionality and crookedness over Roterham 7 days out of 7.
[-]EmperorDragnea 1 points (1 children)
Yeah you're safe in one of the poorest most dysfunctional and crooked countries in Europe.
Stopped here. This isn't about my country and it doesn't change the fact that the amazing Islamic community will eventually take over your capital very soon. I don't even care, !RemindMe 5400 days see you then Mr. Superior Brit.
[-]famoussharktamer 4 points (1 children)
Don't you have a harvest to attend to?
[-]EmperorDragnea 2 points
No I don't, don't you have to attend the nights prayer? Go fast before Sharia Police knocks on your door. Also watch out at the weekend, you don't want to be seen around drinking alcohol.
[-]qndzvoik 6 points
Go back to Stormfront m8
[-]TrolleybusIsReal 3 points (1 children)
You literally sound like a neo nazi. Also you are from Romania. So Western Europeans could say the same thing about your backwards culture anyway.
[-]pokolos 10 points
Even if this user was Hitler risen from the grave, it would not have any effect on the argument. This is the ad hominem fallacy.
[-]BigBadButterCat 1 points (1 children)
Actually, Europe didn't fight Islam for 1400 years, some parts of Europe did. For example France allied the Ottoman Empire in the 16th century.
In their minds nothing has changed wake up idiots before a muslim cuts your throat
You're right. The Döner Kebab guy at the corner secretly wants to kill me and make the women in my family wear hijab. After he raped them, of course.
[-]EmperorDragnea 17 points (2 children)
If the doner kebab guy at the corner is religious he really does as his book commands.
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
Also let me remind you that there are millions of kids under ISIS rule at the moment and since years they've been brainwashed to death, beheading people on camera as seen in multiple ISIS videos. These kids are a ready army and when they will be 20 years old they will be blowing themselves up in Europe.
[-]Josef_t 8 points
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"
Why not quote the verse before and after that? The context. You know why, because people like you are exactly like faux news, you take something out of context and angle it to your audience.
  • Quran (2:190) Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
Your verse is only chapter 191, so let give you 192 and 193.
(192) And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
(193) And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression.
(194): The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.
All these texts are saying is, that if someone attacks you, attack back, if they stop, stop. That's basically what any human would do.
So do you do that all the time? Take the context out? Just never for the fucks sake become a teacher, but faux news might like you.
[-]Lesteriuse 1 points (3 children)
If the doner kebab guy at the corner is religious he really does as his book commands.
yeah, let's look at a peaceful religion like the glorious, extremely european christianity:
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the [holy man] who represents God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged. Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT
well, fuck. my country is 90% christian and in the EU, we better get purged since our holy book demands violence against infidels.
millions of kids under ISIS rule
there's not even millions of people under isis rule, let alone children.
[-]EmperorDragnea 4 points (1 children)
yeah, let's look at a peaceful religion like the glorious, extremely european christianity
European Christianity did nothing like Islam did. Islam is by its base a religion built on the idea to unite all of the arabs under one banner and rise a caliphate.
It's hard for you to get inside the mind of a muslim since you grew up in a free society where you have the right to talk shit, gender equality and bs. Just like you want to defend these rights that's how a muslim wants to take over Europe, it's their obligation towards Allah.
there's not even millions of people under isis rule, let alone children.
Why do you talk without showing some sources? According to BBC which normally shitposts pro-muslim shit and has no interest in lying, according to the IHS Conflict Monitor in October 2016 there were about 6 million people living under ISIS from which a third of them are under 15 years old.
[-]Pomguo 3 points
European Christianity did nothing like Islam did.
Well, I mean, it fought Islam for 1400 years according to other posts in here. Plenty of atrocities have been committed by Christians - from Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Americas. So while a lot of these might be in the distant past (though more recent examples exist in Asia and Africa), you can't claim they didn't do it.
[-]krutopatkin 2 points
Please look up the function of the Old Testament in Christianity.
[-]valleyshrew 5 points
60% of people in Muslim countries support the execution of non-Muslims. What % of Christians do you think support the execution of non-Christians?
[-][deleted] 1 points (1 children)
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[-]EmperorDragnea 1 points
Well today we have an European Union that doesn't base itself on a Middle Eastern religion, we have freedom of speech, the women don't get stoned like in Saudi Arabia (one of the most advanced arabic countries of 2017 has Sharia Law lmao) and we have multiple extremely religious people which would love to live by Sharia Law. What will stop them from installing Sharia once they will be the majority and what will stop them from installing their Middle Eastern religion over the European western values?
[-]zwerp -8 points (3 children)
So what, in your mind, would be the best solution? Clearly 1400 years of fighting them hasn't worked.
[-]EmperorDragnea 14 points
Well inviting them home clearly hasn't worked too.
[-]Lines_between_words 4 points (1 children)
It worked just fine, before EU lost it`s mind.
[-]Pomguo 1 points (1 children)
During that 1400 year stretch there was a period of great cultural and scholarly flourishing, though. Maybe if we hadn't ground them down to poverty and extremism they would've developed secularly too. The common thread with Islamic terrorism tends to be that it originates in ex-colonial shit holes that suffer from extreme poverty and poor education, rather than just being Islamic (there are plenty of peaceful Muslims in the West and South East Asia). Funnily enough those same symptoms exist in Christian countries in Africa and also result in war-torn shit holes and extremists. The common threads are geopolitics, education, and economics, not religion.
[-]Lines_between_words 1 points (1 children)
During that 1400 year stretch there was a period of great cultural and scholarly flourishing, though.
After they subjugated other cultures. It wasnt long, tho, because in the end they flushed all those achivements down the toilet in the name if their ideology.
Maybe if we hadn't ground them down to poverty and extremism they would've developed secularly too. The common thread with Islamic terrorism tends to be that it originates in ex-colonial shit holes that suffer from extreme poverty and poor education, rather than just being Islamic (there are plenty of peaceful Muslims in the West and South East Asia).
Lies. Many terrorists had a degree and a good job. The problem is islam itself, I bet you have never opened even the quran and have no idea what are you talking about.
Funnily enough those same symptoms exist in Christian countries in Africa and also result in war-torn shit holes and extremists.
No, its because blacks have low iq and big problems with abstract thinking. And they are poor and violent because of it, not other way around.
[-]neonmarkov [score hidden]
Not sure if ironic, I'm scared
[-]anhedonia_sucks 3 points
mass deportation
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