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Some thoughts on NV vs 3 & 4 (self.fnv)

ThinkingWeasel が 投稿

I posted this on another sub but thought I would share it here -

NV is superior to 4 and 3 in a few ways -

1.) The variety of weapons, ammo and ammo reloading/customization. Example: you dont simply find 'shotgun shells' you find .20 or .12 gauge. You can also load them with random stuff like legion coins. Adding mods to weapons in NV felt like it actually did something.

2.) THE PLOT. 3 had a good story, and was entertaining. By the time I finished the main plot for 4, which was really just a rehash of 3, I didnt give a fuck about any of the characters and I was mostly ready for the Institute guy to quit talking so I could kill him. I also really didnt care about the motivations for any of the factions. I hated the Railroad and only stayed friendly long enough to get the ballistic weave then I Order 66'd them. BoS was the only ending I played and I didnt like them much either except for loyalty from past games and Liberty Prime was awesome AF. On the other hand, the story for NV was completely engrossing. The factions were all interesting and had fully developed personas, motives and backstories. You had many options to get to the same place or completely different places in the story, depending on how you play.

3.) DLC - The NV DLC is far and away the best DLC I have ever played with the exception of Undead Nightmare for Red Dead Redemption. The story for Dead Money is one of my favorite works of fiction ever, and if it were a graphic novel I would buy it in a heartbeat. 3 had good DLC in Anchorage and Point Lookout (the original Far Harbor) but the alien one was just stupid. I am SO glad I didnt buy the season pass for 4. The DLC was absolute shit. NV FELT like a new game, not a re skinned one. Theres a difference between an homage, or paying tribute and blatantly cannibalizing your own stuff.

4.) GEAR - In F3, you probably lived in power armor (unless you had the Chinese Stealth Suit) so in 4 they tried to cripple that with using 'power cells' which, aside from being an annoying bit of plot devicery was also IMO non-canon. In NV there were more interesting options, like the talking Stealth Suit from OWB, the Ranger Armor, etc. where I never had a desire to wear it. Helmets with night vision were pretty cool also.

5.) NPCs. NV NPCs seemed more interesting and unpredictable. In 3 they were good, 4 they were repetitive, again, I never really got attached to any of them except Cait because she was funny as hell.

6.) 3 had some scary moments, 4 did not. I never felt the sense of desperation in 4 that NV gave me. NV and the DLC all felt like they had distinct, separate stories that still managed to tie together here and there, and they all felt like the decisions had momentous consequences. I had to think hard about what I wanted to have happen. In 4, it was kill this guy now or wait and kill him later. Also, 3 and 4 never gave me the willies that I got the first time you creep around the Lucky 38 and hear nothing but the wind blowing, the feeling of isolation and abandonment was really unnerving.

I guess thats enough of a start. Thoughts?

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[–]mrnewvegas420 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

One thing 4 did better than NV was combat. Felt more active and fast. But in NV the weapons felt like they connected. Also NV's weapon animation was kinda clunky and had lots of clipping issues.

[–]soggy7 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are definitely right. I wouldn't say 4 has good combat compared to something like the new Doom, but it was a lot more fluid than the last gen fallouts. New Vegas player agency is still unrivaled in my opinion, though, even outside the series.

[–]ThinkingWeasel[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agree, it was smooth. 4 was far less glitchy in every way. I also liked that V.A.T.S. in 4 did not stop an enemy, just slowed them.

[–]blubat26 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

4 also gave Laser weapons recoil

So not all was improved upon

[–]Celeras 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I prefer combat in NV for these reasons:

  1. Enemies in 4 are bullet sponges and constantly dodge out of the way. NV doesn't suffer from these problems.
  2. Weapons in 4 are boring and in some cases outright annoying to use. NV has a huuuuge variety of weapons, especially with GRA.
  3. Everything in the whole fucking commonwealth is out to get you right from the start of the game. In NV most of the factions are neutral. So you can choose your enemies and wont be running into hostiles on every street corner.

[–]CoroPixel 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Here we go again.

Edit: do we not have anything better to do besides say the same thing everyone else already said? Not trying to be rude, but I'm pretty sure we've heard enough times that New Vegas is better than 4 and 3 on this sub and r/fallout

[–]meellodi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Something something circlejerk.

[–]ThinkingWeasel[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Then next time, why not just skip over it and not read/comment? Let alone come back and comment again... since we are on the subject of 'do we not have anything better to do.'

[–]CoroPixel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm just putting it out there, we've heard it enough times. Just play whatever game you like and get over it.

[–]ThinkingWeasel[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm just putting it out there, I don't know or care what you have heard. If it bothers you, just skip it and move along.

[–]CoroPixel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No use arguing. No direction. Have a great day!

[–]be_mad 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Boy you know what sub you in? This is Fiend territory fam.

[–]MattsDaZombieSlayer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fallout 3's story is utterly broken. There is a 5 page article detailing why on the internet. It's an interesting read.

[–]-kkslider 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wait a second, you can load legion denarius into the shotguns?

[–]SU37Yellow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup you have to craft coin shot ammunition at a reloading bench

[–]ereid35 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah its a sort of buckshot you can make at a reloading bench

[–]BobCrosswise 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not sure why this is here or titled the way it is. Rather than NV vs. 3 & 4, it seems to be 4 vs. 3 & NV. (And rightly so, I might add).

[–]MrSpanx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

1.) The variety of weapons, ammo and ammo

Its a bit strange this is the first that comes to mind and not the plot. I guess all the shooting in F4 did leave a scar on what an RPG should be remembered for.

[–]ThinkingWeasel[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I didnt list them in any particular order :)

[–]MrSpanx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Understood. Maybe dont number them next time?

[–]JasonBGood -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree that New Vegas had better writing. But I couldn't say they had characters I really cared about. They had interesting characters, House, the Yes Man, Boone, but I wasn't invested in them.

What was engaging was the world itself and the larger forces at play.

While I much prefer Obsidian's writing overall, I think CD Project Red and Bioware have set the bar high for engaging NPCs and Obsidian doesn't quite clear that bar most of the time. Eder and Aloth from Pillars of Eternity would be exceptions, and HK-47 which they get credit for writing a better version of than Bioware did. But part of that is down to the improved voice acting in KOTOR 2.