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[–]guifawkes 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I've found that my best conversion rates on tinder and bumble have come from me inviting them over to my place before anything else. It's almost like they're appreciative that you seek sex first as it validates their sexual appeal that they're insecure about.

I get a lot of "I'm not trying to hookup" or "do you just want sex" etc. I usually reply with a sarcastic remark about looking for someone to celebrate a life of celibacy together and then they'll laugh and go from "not wanting sex" to wanting to "see where things go."

I can't tell you how many dinners and drinks I bought girls who had no intention of any type of hookup before I realized this....

[–]evilmmm 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Love the celibacy remark. Using it.

[–]maniclurker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seconded. Now I have to start thinking up more sarcastic shit to say.

[–]theONE843663 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Sarcasm and satire = chick crack imo. A&A works so good lol.

[–]zephyrprime 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I find that most chicks don't get sarcasm or satire.

[–]statface21 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's gotta be in person. They're awful at picKing it up over text

[–]Metalgear222 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bruh. The "smirk" emoji. It's the only one you need.

[–]guifawkes -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hard to do over text. You gotta throw in some fancy adjectives or words or phrases that are not common if you want them to not take you seriously. For example:

"Guess I'll just go hookup with another chick then" vs "Guess I'll just fornicate with anther mistress then"

Who the hell talks like that second sentence? No one, thus, the joke is recognized as a joke.

[–]ioncehadsexinapool 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've noticed that I do this naturally to girls I find gross. And they almost always want me. I guess now it's chicken or the egg heh.

[–]Rafafedkilla 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your opinion or your experience?

[–]refusewool 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How much small talk before you invite them? Do you have any examples/screenshots?

[–]guifawkes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Zero small talk. My opening line has been some variation of "hey you wanna come watch a movie later?" They know exactly what I mean and I'll get "I can't tonight but maybe another time" more than I get a flat out "no". So a yes means they're dtf 8/10 times, a "maybe another night" signifies they're likely to be dtf (worth following up with another day) and a flat out rejection is either easy to overcome ("oh you want to watch one right now I see") or it really is a no.

I prefer this type of opening over any kind of small talk or conversation as it really saves me time and eliminates the tire kickers.

[–]BeenTrill11 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've learned that the profiles saying they aren't looking for sex, are looking for sex lol. Females just don't want to come off as hoes, but they all are.

[–]NomadicIdentity 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The celibacy line is excellent.

[–]Adam_and_Jay 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Using that celibate response more often, great agree and amplify

[–]AmericanHistoryAFBB 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I must be doing something wrong. And no, I'm not ugly or anything. But usually when I simply say "come over for drinks and a movie" 1 out of 10 MIGHT be down, but most of the time they say they don't want to come over to a strangers house since I could be a serial killer or something. They almost always suggest public setting first.

So maybe it's because my pictures aren't good enough, or maybe they'd be like that no matter how attractive my pictures were. I don't know.

[–]Lord_NShYH 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't tell you how many dinners and drinks I bought girls who had no intention of any type of hookup before I realized this....

It's a painful lesson, but vital. I've been through it, and it hurts like a real kick in the balls.

[–]Pepe_Prime 125 ポイント126 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Man, this was one of the hardest pills to swallow. Looking back, most "conventional dates" that I've gone on haven't paid off very well.

However, inviting a girl to come over and watch a movie or smoke weed has a huge success rate. I've even had hybrid situations, in which it started as a conventional date but then we moved to my house to "show" her something and ended up fucking...whereas, any girl that I haven't been "home" with by the end of the first date (even if we kissed) has fallen apart without ever getting to the sex.

Also, I think there's another element to it that you touched upon...the modern "hookup culture" in general has twisted women's perception of what it means to be taken on a date. Initially, I just liked the idea of taking a cute girl out on a date, getting to know her and spending time together and see where that goes - although of course I would always hope it would end in me getting laid at some point. But now, with girls so often randomly hooking up with guys from parties or school or dating apps or whatever, going on an actual date with someone must be a jarring experience. Maybe theyll have a mild amount of fun, but won't want to go out again. Maybe they'll think there's something slightly wrong with you for taking her out on a "date" when she's used to getting railed after smoking a few bowls at Chad's house. Or perhaps worst of all, she'll take your "date" as a sign that you're an overly attached beta who's trying too hard to get an emotional attachment with her, rather than the swift dicking she's used to. That's what I'm getting at - I'm currently doing a sort of 50/50 right now with taking half the girls I meet on dates and then just skipping to the "Netflix and chill" with the other half. This could be related to the questionable quality of the women I meet, but things always go so much smoother and are less awkward with the girls who just come over to my house, rather than the ones I actually go out with. I see the same results with my friends: if the new girl comes directly to the guys house, there's a big chance they'll have fun and fuck. If the guy takes her on a date instead, most of the time he'll end up empty handed and even get questioned by the girl about why he's putting so much effort into her or why is he so attached to her etc etc just for spending the effort to take her out.

Rambly reply but I hope that made sense. I've been watching it happen in real time.

[–]SovereignSoul76 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (4子コメント)

A lot of good points there about how the idea of a "date" is almost, in and of itself, kind of pathetic to girls now. It's sad really. I really do think it's part of this mindset instilled by female comedians where it is funny and cool for a girl to be a professed whore. Oh well, I'm not gonna complain. They all talk about dick being cheap, but it's always been cheap. But pussy on the other hand, has taken a serious nose-dive since the creation of tinder. It's wonderful for establishing plates...not so much for finding a wife.

But I've had the best luck with a mix of the two. I suggest we go shoot pool, grab a coffee, or grab a drink. No dinner. No stupid hot air balloon rides or anything. Meet her for about an hour or two, then tell her I have to go. Try for the kiss close. No kiss, that's the end. If she goes for it, escalate to the butt grab immediately and gauge the reaction. Also, using this strategy, I can tell if she's packed on 25 lbs since her last tinder photo was taken, too. This DOES happen...fairly frequently. Sometimes she'll even have two photos where you can see the fattening begin to take place. But I digress...

Next date: dinner at my house. Then about 80% of the time, if they've made it that far, they're good to close. Maybe a little LMR and ASD, but nothing too serious.

The reason I prefer this method, is because if you're a 7, and she's a 7, you may very well get in her pants after meeting out in public first. But if you're just going in directly for the kill, you'll likely only get a 6 or below to agree to that. The logic being, if a girl is just looking for an immediate fuck, why wouldn't take her chances with a guy who has 7.5, 8, or 9 looks? There's no way to accurately estimate if the guy has game (and can confidently fuck the shit out of a girl) or not, which does count, so it's ALL looks You think a guy who looks like a 9 won't pump and dump a 7? Surely you jest. Giving her a glimpse of your frame and game helps elevate you from a 7 (looks only), to maybe a 7.5 or 8. Girls only date up, and that required gap in SMV intensifies when you're talking about just giving away pussy almost immediately.

[–]bznj 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think like you. Although now that I'm happy with the few girls I'm seeing I'm totally fine with OP's strategy. I guess playing the now oh-so standard BP dating game was a costly mistake even tho they don't cost me anything anymore, girls just come hang out and leave. My excuse is I've been told right from my first day in the US that it's how it works in here. Back in Europe I'd invite girls over for dinner/drinks at my place and it was that easy.

It's funny because when I was broke AF during my first few months in Cali I got laid more often than when I started making some $$. The reason is, I had to skip the dates - couldnt afford em. no betabucking, more fucks.

[–]zephyrprime 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I can tell if she's packed on 25 lbs since her last tinder photo was taken

? You can tell that just by looking at her in person.

[–]JTPish 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Spanx is a thing, and can compress fat into appealing shapes better than you would think.

[–]Pitchfork51 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True. Plus lots of girls tend to be able to gain weight without it going to their faces or upper body. The right jeans and stuff can hide ten lbs on some chick easy.

I can't gain weight. If I gain ten lbs from my ideal weight I immediately drop from like an 8 to a 6.5 it's nuts. My body doesn't look much different in clothes but my face does drastically.

[–]balderdash76 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"Netflix and chill"

Works best when you don't actually have Netflix.

[–]bboy1977 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Conventional dates". I think that's the problem. Going to dinner and movie and spending a majority of the time interviewing a person and giving comfort usually leads to nowhere but a goodnight kiss and second date. Rinse and repeat and after two or three of these dates who knows if anything happens. Maybe it's my age, but I'm 50/50 if I ask someone outright to just come over to my place.

I have the most success not to mention fun with "dates" that are physical right from the start. If she is answering your phone call, text etc and willing to meet up with you, she is already physically attracted to you. No need to waste time learning more about each other. Set the tone right from the outset to get her an elevated heart rate and used to your touch.

Some of the dates I've been in the past month all of which resulted in closing. Not only that but they are actually fun and memorable.

  • roof top dance party. Grinding against each other, drenched in sweat. Once exhausted, easy to pick up a bottle of wine and head to my place for the next round.

  • jet skiing. Hour of roaring across the oceanfront with her straddling me from behind. Head to my place to wash up and then more

  • Ninja obstacle/ ropes course. Practically man handle her lifting and pressing her against me. Went back to my car and manhandled each in there.

  • catch movie in classic drive in movie theater. Reclined the seats then had her sit in my lap under a blanket. Didnt actually see most of the movie.

  • visiting new city, have her take me from bar to bar showing me places I would have never found on my own. While she leads the tour, I lead with being physical finding places hide in and make out. Tour ends at her place.

There was one person who balked at these first dates saying they are so "random" or "most guys" take her for coffee, dinner etc. Honestly, If she can't take a jet ski roaring inbetween her legs then forget me ever getting there.

With all these dates it's imperative to have them pressed up tight against your muscles, feeling you up, breathing hard, getting wet. Transitioning to sex becomes very easy as you are practically half way there. Two of the people I slept with I don't even know their last name or ethnicity but I know every inch of their body. Two years ago I'd have talked their ears off and maybe friendzoned myself. Enjoying going out a lot more now.

[–]tiredofliving1111 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck,I have been doing this shit all wrong. Time to change

[–]ProNotPro -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

things always go so much smoother and are less awkward with the girls who just come over to my house, rather than the ones I actually go out with. I see the same results with my friends: if the new girl comes directly to the guys house, there's a big chance they'll have fun and fuck. If the guy takes her on a date instead, most of the time he'll end up empty handed and even get questioned by the girl about why he's putting so much effort into her or why is he so attached to her etc etc just for spending the effort to take her out.

What do you mean when you say date?

  • Is it next to your house?
  • Did she know you have a dick when you asked her to come?(aka man-to-woman, aka masculine polarity, aka there was a minimum of sexual vibe)
  • Is it something chip, or preferably free?

The answer should be "yes, to all of the above." Basically, if your day2 is something like that, the only main difference will be less ASD/LMR.

[–]ProNotPro 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Another Game post the OP of which doesn't know what calibration means.

First of all, of course don't go out for dinner, or something else expensive.

You're planning a date to impress her

No, that's not the right frame. When you ask her out always re-frame it as "you are not sure about her, you are just intrigued, you need to know more". Look at this infield for a very good example of re-framing.
Also, you have to be man-to-woman when you ask for her #/snap/insta/whatever.

it's hard to escalate in public

Only with physicality, but that's not needed for you to close.

she has the freedom to leave anytime, and she can easily say no at the end of the night when you invite her back

Rapey vibes alert OP. She can do that even if you invite her to your home.

Why guys continually adopt this ineffective sexual strategy is beyond me.

I love how you answer your question by yourself without realizing it lol

You can't screen/filter a girl out

Let's say you invite 100 girls straight to your crib, and n of them say yes. It's pretty obvious those same girls would say yes to walk close to your house, coffee next to your house etc.

However, from the 100-n girls you "lost," you would probably get a day2 with m girls.

Obviously, n<n+m.

I am not saying that you shouldn't do what OP suggests. I am just making clear that this is a numbers game, so know how those work. There is nothing wrong with inviting them straight to your home. However, the mentality that the moment she says no to that it means she's not attracted it's straight up retarded.

edit: Also,

You're not going to change her mind; in fact, she might even change her mind from "yes" to "no" after you take her out on a date and reveal your beta tendencies.

WTF man!? What's the point of reading this reddit if I'm gonna act like a chode anyway. The more time a chick spends with you the more she should like you.

[–]p00nbrigade 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great comment. I was waiting for someone to say this. Re framing your interaction as man to women and bringing her into your frame immediately by having her accompany you in an activity of your choice is the best way to have your game tight from the start.

[–]the-capitan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

i fucking hate infields. most of this shit is so fucking fake.

you have to be man-to-woman when you ask for her #/snap/insta/whatever.

nah, it's easy. in 10 messages or less = silly line, her response, my counter with a suggestion of drinks, her affirmation (depending on her response, sometimes i don't even wait for her affirmation), "what's your #?", #. if this doesn't work, she's not attracted to you.

[–]superizrod 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely viable, but only to girls who ara instantly attracted to you. Game is all about these neutral girls, who for most guys are the majority they meet. Strong game can turn around even negative girls. It all comes to the initial interaction, though. So no need to text a lot if you built good level of attraction/comfort.

Can you provide screenshots? (you can blur names and photos ofc)

edit: grammar

[–]dr_warlock 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That infield was an A+ field report.

The rapey vibe scene was a try-hard clown comedy scene we see in most comedy movies (low grade) mixed in with girl power propaganda.

[–]Slut_Slayer9000 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's pretty obvious those same girls would say yes to walk close to your house, coffee next to your house etc.

Yeah sure, but what's more convenient for you and more likely to end up having sex? Op's option.

However, from the 100-n girls you "lost," you would probably get a day2 with m girls.

Ok but why do day 2's matter? So you can invest more time in attempting to have sex? I've used OP's method many many times, and my best plates have came from this method. It weed's out a lot of girls and it allows you to invest the least amount of time, money and energy possible. Regardless I invite them over to my place after I've screened them through text, and snapchat to make sure they're not landwhales or catfish, and we either chill at my place or we go into my apartment then bounce to some nearby place for a mini date so the girl is at least someone what familiar with my place if she is the more inexperienced type.

Any guy who is against this almost always doesn't have his own place to try this strategy out. And if that's the case you should defintely be working on that before you even seriously considered dating.

[–]ProNotPro -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

we go into my apartment then bounce to some nearby place for a mini date so the girl is at least someone what familiar with my place if she is the more inexperienced type.

You do realize that this is a day2, right? Maybe you guys mean 5 plate dinners when you say day2s, that's why we disagree.

Also,

if she is the more inexperienced type.

Did you just modified your bahavior based on clues from the person you are interacting with? If only there was a word to describe this...like...calibration.

[–]LymanRP 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well stated. Dates can be successful and should still be used, but in your frame. The problem is that for most guys, "date" means "take girl out for a nice/expensive dinner." It's boring awkward, and screams BB.

Go for simple, cheap dates that are fun. Choose situations where you're active and provide opportunities for touching and Kino.

Remember, most girls have been on a plethora of shitty dinner dates. Do something to set yourself apart from all the other dudes who bought her dinner at their favorite restaurant.

[–]Pitchfork51 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I honestly only meet up with girls in a bar near my place. Mainly because I like drinking and want to see if she's legit before she comes over.

If its a girl I met while out and spent a bit of time with her and am already down then sure her place or mine when I talk to her next.

[–]Bascome 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also- "The TV is better in my bedroom, lets watch the movie there"

[–]swaglordobama 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Kind of dumb advice. Most girls will not come straight to your place if they do not know you very well unless they are horny or you have high social proof and they trust you. Your best bet is to meet with her NEAR your house so you can go to your house spontaneously 'e.g. oh I forgot my wallet, I live just 2 minutes away' 'i need to grab a jacket' or seed your place during the date. You can just do coffee and seed some cool shit back at your place or have her take you shopping then drop off what you bought at home.

Remember, the girl is coming to see you because she likes you.

Also, expecting something from a date is a really toxic frame. Coming from a frame of just having fun + 'fuck fate frame / eventual fuck destinity' is much healthier for you and the girl as it takes the pressure off of you to 'make something happen' and allows things to escalate naturally.

[–]Slut_Slayer9000 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I defintely wouldn't say most girls, if this is the case your SMV might be lower then you think. What I do a lot of the time is have her drive to my place regardless and if she's down we just chill there but if I can tell she isn't to keen on that idea, I'll set up a mini date that I'll drive us too once she gets to my place, but I'll show her around my apartment first so she's comfortable and familiar with it, which makes it easier to pull back to my place afterwards. But most of the time having weed+own place its pretty fucking easy to get laid. Because you can't exactly smoke weed in public, you gotta do in private, so its a great excuse to invite her over to "smoke weed" aka smash.

[–]TheSp4rk 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You have some good points, but remember The Red Pill is about sexual strategy.... it isn't about the expectation, but about upping the chances of you getting some tail.

[–]swaglordobama 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The thing is that the majority of men here have no fucking clue how female psychology works; they discover negative spiking and use it to manipulate women so they can put their latex wrapped dick in a lukewarm hole then brag about it online (hhaaha i get so much p00sy breeuuhh i'm alpha now hhaahha hamsters on a plate!!! AWALT!!!!). Majority of the posts I see on here are written by clueless guys with half baked ideas. They are only scratching the surface of sexuality. Most of the thinking on here is alt-blue pill, not red pill. People are buying into another kind of social conditioning without really understanding it, nesting about 3 feet down the rabbit hole. It's still hollywood thinking. Get Da L00kz Get Da Monneey Get Da P00sSEy!!!! JuzT Walk uP and Say< "HeaY Ur KewT wana Grab a cofFfeE!!!???? (btw have u seen my biceps haha ? )"

If you want to up the chances of you getting some, put yourself in a situation which allows you to meet and interact with a lot of women. Get a job as a bartender or club promoter. Become a drug dealer. Hell, even some guy managing a restaurant gets easy fucking pussy. Become a professional photographer. Get into 9's and 10's social circle. Fuck the hottest women in the world. This is sexual strategy. You still need game.

Social proof exists in a bubble. If you are a rockstar within a certain venue, you will get insane attraction in that venue (which you turn into arousal and comfort). Which is why managers, bartenders, promoters, dj's, etc, get laid so fucking easily if they have a bit of game. If you want to fuck multiple girls in a night, every night, get a pad near a venue in which you have high proof and status. It's not that complex. If girls see you're buddies with the staff and DJ's of a club, that's attraction. They will open you. They will escalate on you.

If you hang out with a girl alone, she will eventually get horny and want to fuck you as long as she doesn't think you're a guy who will judge her for it or brag about it to his friends and ruin her reputation. This is the natural process. Don't be a fucking weird, creepy guy with an agenda, put yourself in a situation where you meet a lot of women, create good logistics for pulling, and you suddenly enter the top .1% of men on earth.

If you understand anything about buying temperature and social dynamics, you know that your appearance doesn't mean shit to the girl; it's a bonus. Mention that around here, though, and every guy who thinks he's "red-pilled" will REEEE the fuck out because he thinks women experience arousal and attraction the same way that men do. "But that's how it is in the movies, bruhhh!!!" "This one girl saw my muscles and she said hi to me haha looks matter d00d!!!" It's a fucking circle-jerk of misinformation. Your voice is more powerful than your appearance. Your body language and how you carry yourself communicate more about you than your words ever could; honest signals. High confidence actually builds more attraction if you're not a good looking guy.

Imagine if sex felt 10-20 times more intense and pleasurable and was available to you at any time, yet it was extremely repressed and constantly shamed as something bad or wrong. Then add the slut factor, and that you could lose friends and social status for being too open about having sex. Welcome to a woman's world. Horny as fuck but unable to act on it because most guys are fucking retards.

I could rant for hours about how misdirected this sub is but there's no point. I try to offer some value here and there.

[–]Handsomebob103 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is so fuking true. My rooommate is a bartender at a resturnant. Dates a girl who works there and has the rest of the 19-25 year old girls snapping him nudes begging him to cheat with them on his girl due to Social proof. I work a govt job. Make good money have all the fun toys. Can't meet girls like this anywhere. They are outside my circle so no social proof. Another guy I know works at a gym. Dates one of the hot girls that works there and fuks the others because why. Social proof. I actually was fuking the one he dated after he cheated again and she left him. Guess what. After a few weeks she ran back to him. Probably couldn't handle the fact that he was gona fuk all the girls and not her. A job with lots of women is a goldmine but you can't be a server forever and hope to have nice things.

[–]sadomasochrist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Such a great post ruined by misinformation.

"This one girl saw my muscles and she said hi to me haha looks matter d00d!!!" It's a fucking circle-jerk of misinformation. Your voice is more powerful than your appearance. Your body language and how you carry yourself communicate more about you than your words ever could; honest signals. High confidence actually builds more attraction if you're not a good looking guy.

That's because that's all you have when you aren't good looking. And this sub exists to decode the bullshit that guys felt but couldn't truly understand. Why did it feel like women judge 80% of men as unattractive? Well.. because they do.

http://i.imgur.com/2MstAzl.gif

Imagine if sex felt 10-20 times more intense and pleasurable and was available to you at any time, yet it was extremely repressed and constantly shamed as something bad or wrong.

Not true at all. Simply that women are cyclical.

Everything you are describing are methods you should be employing after you work on the easiest part, becoming attractive. Most men, within statistical normality, are able to do this with diet, exercise and style. Don't need to go too crazy here.

You want guys to work upstream. Simply is ridiculous.

You're outlining great sexual strategy while still FIRMLY holding onto the blue pill. WHY?

Do you really think a man's VOICE is more important than the way he looks? COME ON.

You are so obviously deluded, you should put on 40lbs and see how great your voice is pulling. Come the fuck on man.

[–]askmrcia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Think you need to star your own post. I could read your content all day.

[–]Shakydrummer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hit the nail on the head man. Good post.

[–]trainwithlino 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why the fuck are guys giving girls lines of credit because they have a pussy?

Make the transaction clear from the get go, you want to fuck, she already knows if she is willing or not.

That way neither of you waste your time and you don't feel used.

[–]thedaynos 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I have one instance to share here. I got set up by a female friend with one of her female friends. Completely blind date. We didn't even speak on the phone, only emailed for a couple days. She lived about 15 minutes away from me so I said just come by my place and we'll figure the rest of the night out, I'll get a bottle of wine. She said ok and honestly I couldn't believe she'd be down with that, neither could our mutual friend.

So I clean the place up and she shows up and she's way out of my league physically. Did her hair, clothes, makeup, looked hot as fuck. so naturally i'm conflicted as some of my emotions are to get nervous, but mentally I'm thinking holy shit look what we got here.

Anyway I bring her in and we hug and she sits on my couch. She loves my cats. I get her some wine. Half way through the bottle I said to myself fuck it and during a deep point of one of our conversations I put my hand on her lap. Immediately we lock eyes, start making out. After about 2 minutes I picked her up and carried her upstairs, threw her on my bed and boom, we're both naked in like half a minute, she's letting me do whatever to her. Multiple go-rounds, was a really fun night to say the least.

So a couple days later we barely have been talking but she calls me randomly at around 10pm and asks me to come over to kill a spider. I look behind her couch and fuck, this spider is like crusty as fuck, been dead for weeks probably. So, I just laugh at her like wtf, pick up the thing with a napkin then make a move while I'm walking past her, and boom again, making out, and we just smashed all night. Again, good night, I left around 3-4am.

Then couple days later I'm like hey I might as well feed this girl and take her out on a date.... she's proved her worth. Beautiful girl letting me hit it raw without spending barely anything on her. She was down. Took her to a decent Italian joint. Definitely the nicest place she's ever been to in her life as she has no clue how to work the oil and bread. Took her back to my house afterwards, we're laying on the couch together but then she's acting cold. Barely get to make out with her. I brought her upstairs with me but she falls asleep with her clothes on, and then asks me to take her home at like 4am.

That was our last date as she soft nexted me. I was talking with our mutual friend about it maybe a week later. I was informed that the girl deemed me "too feminine". Straight up. Honestly I did nothing different this time around but it must have been something I said during dinner convo that just turned her off and caused her to label me beta. That's all it took. Didn't matter it was the best meal she's ever had in her life or that she already knew how good I was in bed. None of that mattered.

Anyway, that was one of many examples during my dating life that taught me red pill values. From then on I slowly started to realize that it's ok to ask a girl over on the first date and if I get a girl who's cool with that (or her place), it's a way higher success rate than being the nice guy and playing that bullshit game. Most girls make up their mind whether they're gonna fuck you within like 5 minutes of meeting up. (and can demote you in less than half that time for pretty much no reason). Don't give her any reason.

I browse the relationship sub and it pains me to hear guys who have been on 3-4 dates without much physicality happening, asking questions on whether the girl likes them. Previous version of me would tell those dudes to keep it up, if you're a good guy, she'll eventually realize it! Now i'm like fuck it man your 3-4 dates without getting any play means you've wasted 2-3 days of your life. Of course i get mad downvotes for that but I'm gonna help out when I see the old me online acting clueless.

[–]TrumpRules2016 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The thing that amazes me and your situation lays it out perfectly is how a woman can literally go 180 degrees on you, in terms of interest.

I have had times in the past where talking dirty with an FWB gets her turned on and all that and we have great sex when we see each other again. Then at a certain point, doing that same thing is labeled as "creepy."

It's crazy how no matter how good the sex was and all that, a woman can go from acting like she's sexually attracted to you and all that, to acting cold and pretty much dropping you out of nowhere. I have had it happen to me a number of times. One week, she wants you over to fuck and will give you great head during sex. The next week, she is suddenly "too tired" to have you over. It blows my mind how women can turn on a switch like that.

[–]smirk_addict 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It honestly sounds like you dodged a bullet. You could've dragged this on indefinitely if you were a selfish asshole. Like why can't we just have great sex and it be ok for me to be fucking nice to you?

[–]thedaynos 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

yes i dodged a bullet. found out from the mutual friend that this girl went and dated her cousin for a bit like a month after our "fling". now it's like 6 years later she's still living in the same trash ass apartment with a live in boyfriend but different baby daddy. oh yeah they keep a german shepherd in the car 24/7 cause the apartment doesn't allow dogs.

and please don't think i ask about this girl, my friend just brings her up every once in a while cause there's always something new. i don't even live near there anymore. very grateful for whatever i did on that date to make her think less of me. big win! lol

[–]smirk_addict 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well damn! It's great to get a feel good story from this subreddit every now and then. Sometimes we run into girls like this and think we did something wrong. But more often than not, it's just a character flaw on the woman's part and they are doing us a favor by running away from male decency.

[–]epixs 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

This is good for DTF girls for sure, but some girls might feel their slut defensive up (even though AWALT). Instead if you meet them out at a bar super close and then tell them to come back to see your cool poster, it can be hamstered in their head that it was just to see the poster and not to have sex. If you're high SMV most of the time they're down, this from my past experiences.

I am not saying your strategy doesn't work (I've had girls come over straight to my place first date from tinder), but you can have a much higher success rate doing the first meet at the bar and then bring them back to your place the same night within 40-50 minutes. Plus this makes it to where if the bitch is crazy, she dosn't know where you live.

I never do anything besides drinks for a first "date", only a LTR would ever get a dinner date or an actual date.

[–]arghx7 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Question: do you both meet at the bar via car and then she drives back to your place? I get stuck with car logistics sometimes.

[–]bboy1977 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Uber. One less thing to worry about.

[–]askmrcia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This really depends. I try to avoid as much as possible where we both meetup at a place and we both drive.

Me personally, I either pick them up myself or have them drive to my house and we walk/carpool to a bar or whatever place together.

The only times where I had no choice where we both meetup at a bar is if they are 40mins away and they live in some remote area. Why?

Because chances are they are lazy fucks and don't want to drive to my area that has all the bars, so we end up meeting half way. And I rarely close (can't remember if I ever did actually) in these situations so I tend to avoid them at all cost.

[–]Mangoinhand 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The problem with this is that it will bring in all the ho's too quickly.

[–]askmrcia 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Im guessing that's what OP wants.

[–]BillyBones8 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (18子コメント)

I don't think I would want to fuck a girl who agrees to come over to a random guys house on the first date.

It's different if you already know each other though. But even then, most girls simply will not come over unless they get to know you first.

[–]LymanRP 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If you're just looking for sex, then OP doesn't have a bad strategy. Just remember though, if she goes straight to your place from Tinder without meeting you first, then she's probably done that with other guys as well.

[–]BillyBones8 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is true. OP's strategy is great if you are okay with any of the above mentioned factors.

[–]caleyjag 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. I don't want any old trash coming into my apartment or knowing where I live.

[–]Mangoinhand 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Bingo. This.

I like to meet the girl in public, nice place for tea/coffee for less than an hour.

If she passes that, then 2nd date is at my place

Reasons:

  • first date is very cheap
  • first date is fast
  • filter out catfish and sluts

[–]BillyBones8 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly. This approach is beneficial for the guy too. I don't want a random girl in my house. She could be crazy or just not someone I want to be around in my own living space.

[–]flexmechanica 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Filter out sluts"

Boy are you retarded?

[–]caleyjag 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not necessarily. It's perfectly okay to want to hook up with women you perceive as higher quality and lower n count.

[–]zephyrprime 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, somebody find me a way to filter FOR sluts plz, haha

[–]zephyrprime 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly. I could see this working while in hs and college because you already know the girls but other than in those environments it's a non-starter.

[–]BillyBones8 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, its okay if you two have talked in class here and there or maybe met at a party one time. But like a random Tinder date or something just sounds like a bad idea.

[–]sadomasochrist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So you want to be an incel? Back to the sidebar buddy.

https://therationalmale.com/2011/11/10/good-girls-do/

[–]BillyBones8 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for the tip. I'm a regular reader here. It has nothing to do with being an Incel.

[–]sadomasochrist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, because you're purple pill. You still think women exist who wouldn't do this for the right guy. You're either not red pilled yet, or you're misunderstanding the content.

If you understand the content, you would be advocating a form for incel. Since that's not the case, let's find out where you're missing it.

[–]sumethreuaweiei 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you'd ask her to see if she's that type, and if she says yes you'd drop her?

[–]BillyBones8 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably yeah, But I wouldn't want her over at my place if its the first time meeting her anyway.

[–]Adam_and_Jay 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why not? If you just want to fuck a warm and wet hole then it's a valid strategy

[–]BillyBones8 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

True but I am just not comfortable with letting random people in my house. Just me though.

[–]Adam_and_Jay 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah that's reasonable, I would probably screen any potential women at the front door of my apartment building just in case to be quite honest, wouldn't stop me from inviting them over in the first place though

[–]sumethreuaweiei 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Any advice for those of us in a dorm? Also, how would you set this up?

"Come over to my place, I've got some drinks that I think you'll like…"

And the meet me outside part:

"Meet me outside, I need to make sure you're not a thief or anything like that"

[–]SlimCharles209 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you tell her that, then invite her inside... make her ass clap if you ain't right beside her. Tell her clap until you get back.

[–]ingenjor 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"That's too risky. She'll say no of course, she's not a slut." Oh yeah? Well, have you tried it?

I always try it with girls I don't feel like wasting the time going out on a date with. It pretty much never works. Maybe it's location-based (I'm not in the US).

[–]smirk_addict 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is location based. I'm in a small town in the U.S. This hardly ever works if you are doing day game. You have to approach the girl, sell yourself, then convince her to just come to your place without you taking her out. Very low success rate. This is for dating apps, social circles, or if you have some type of status.

Just take the girls out and don't be boring. Then do the plausible deniability thing(I hate doing that shit).

[–]jarco45 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Most of the minor stuff on TRP is very centered around American culture. Which is sometimes disappointing but it makes sense considering how many Americans are on here.

[–]the-capitan 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

i was originally a chump and was taking girls to nice dinners. swallowed the pill and moved it to drinks. for new girls, i cut it off hard after 1 drink. if she goes to order food, "i just ate" and i don't bother to pay for anything of hers. "[to the bartender] hey, can i close out? oh, just my drink." this one girl ordered a $14 glass of wine and 3x $10-14 food items after i told her i wasn't hungry... when i noped out forcing her to pay for all her own shit, she looked at me like i just curbstomped a baby.

i've recently started testing tinder girls for skipping drinks and going straight to "netflix and chill." i don't know what i think about it.

especially for online girls, you really have to meet her first. i'm fucking ruthless with that shit. virtually all women look 1-3 notches worse than her worst pic. ignore pics of them at weddings entirely. if she doesn't have a pic showing she's clearly skinny (straight angle, bare arms or waist), she's overweight or obese. committing a whole night to online girls, sight unseen, is a recipe for burning a shitload of time with women you don't even want to fuck.

i'm usually meeting 1-2 new girls a night, followed by a plate. it's only wednesday, i've already slept with 3 girls this week, and my plate tonight will be the 4th.

[–]Django-Beans 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

3rd this week? Currently in a bit of a dry spell. Teach me

[–]iOSvista 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This has its ups and downs. I usually briefly escalate on Tinder and have never had a fantastic experience with meeting a girl for sex prior to meeting just to meet. The last experience I had has really put a damper on my outlook when it comes to doing this.

I invited this 7/8 over to get plowed and the anticipation of knowing I was getting new pussy that night made me fairly horny for a couple of hours leading up.

She eventually texts saying shes here and I expect to run out and see the thin, busty, cute faced latina chick that I was talking to, but instead, at the bottom of my staircase, already inside my apartment complex, looking up at me, is the porkiest hambeast I have ever seen. My heart sank, "wtf do I do in this situation." She was wearing a grungy black hoody with the hood up, some nasty leggings with lint and dog hair on them, and some gross fucking slipper type things.

Me being the horny fuck I am, more importantly the major pussy that I am, smiled hesitantly, didnt really say anything and walked back to my room in horror. I get to my bedroom, she sits her stankass hoodrat noass on my bed, as quickly as possibly I run to shut off the lights, hold my breath and pinch my nose, whip out the cock and let her suck it. She wasnt bad actually at blowing me so I busted and literally said IMMEDIATELY after "holy hell would you look at the time," and pulled the old yawn stretch. I proceeded to hand her belongings, ordered her an uber just to hurry her the fuck out, and shut the door behind her, immediately after I blocked her on tinder and from my phone and took a long, seething hot shower.

Be careful, these hoes is hambeasts. For real. Lesson learned

[–]askmrcia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

She eventually texts saying shes here and I expect to run out and see the thin, busty, cute faced latina chick that I was talking to, but instead, at the bottom of my staircase, already inside my apartment complex, looking up at me, is the porkiest hambeast I have ever seen

Had the EXACT same experience last year. And I was thanking God that my roommates or neighbors did not see her or I would have gotten ridiculed for the next 8 years at least.

she sits her stankass hoodrat noass on my bed, as quickly as possibly I run to shut off the lights, hold my breath and pinch my nose, whip out the cock and let her suck it.

Yea bro, I could and would not ever go that far. I give you props though lol

[–]iOSvista 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Haha exactly my point. Unfortunately my roommate saw her, and I totally ignored him and didn't introduce them as she awkwardly walked past him toward my room. After the deed was done, I had a long talk with my roommate about what we believed bighammiesammich's thought process was like, prior to coming to my house. We came to the conclusion that this doubledeckabologneloaf was operating under malicous disregard, fully understanding the intentional and misleading trickery she was engaging in. We decided that she was most likely betting on the fact that once she got in the door, I wouldn't have the cahunas to turn her away based on her looks. Unfortunately she was correct and I will never fall for this again, and will definately be hesitant to meet strangers strictly for sex in the future...

[–]iOSvista 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The funny thing is that a woman would totally find an excuse not to, and in fact if she didnt, would probably feel traumatized for the rest of her life, posting on womens rape support groups and seeking sexual trauma therapy had the genders been reversed here, and I was the fat dude tricking a higher value bitch.

[–]Buchloe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've gotten to a point with online dating where we are talking online with enough innuendo, that she knows the plan is to fuck. We'll go meet for a drink, just so she gets public assurance that I'm who and what I appear to be online, but before we even meet I make sure that the stated plan involves going back to one or the others place.

[–]OilyB 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is true for me. I'm a Caribbean type guy living in Europe, with a hammock hanging in my apartment... So I tell them about it and it always results in interest in my hammock experience. Either the first date ends there and sometimes begins there - sex guaranteed.

The only condition though is that I'm always cheeky, naughty on the first date, I shittest them and lightly poke fun at them, which positions them ever so slightly beneath me.

Good post!

[–]ArkAngelEV 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

BIG FUCKING POINTS HERE, PAY ATTENTION YOU BETA FAGGOTS. Blew me away when a hotshot lawyer invited me to her place on park ave without even fucking meeting OR EVEN TALKING ON THE PHONE. We txted a few times, sent and received pics. I txted her something like, "you seem like a stuck up bitch that drinks too much wine and doesn't get fucked hard enough". Didn't message me back in 3 days, then on the 4th just txted me her address/apt # and time and said if i had the balls to come over and say that to her face. So I did, and face fucked her.

This girl was thin, big boobed, blonde and angelic face. Had I seen her out in the streets I would've NEVER suspected what a nasty girl she was in the bedroom. You really do have to go into every situation thinking they are the nastiest sluts in the world.

As hot as our short lived rendezvous was, I miss her apt. I would use her than sit on a windowsill naked looking out. This young professional had absolutely killer views. Even then I knew I most likely won't ever have experience living on park ave

[–]ransay3277 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Good post and good strategy. separate yourself immediately and separate her immediately. Cut out the time wasters.

[–]-Phaethon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're not going to change her mind; in fact, she might even change her mind from "yes" to "no" after you take her out on a date and reveal your beta tendencies.

Hahaaha I laughed so good there, nice humour man 😂👍

[–]insoucianc 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Congratulations son, you've re-invented Netflix and Chill.

[–]TrumpRules2016 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the reasons I will be excited when I can afford to rent or buy my own apartment. I will be able to invite women over and get laid, instead of having to do it at their place.

[–]Popular-Culture 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Dating is like putting down a deposit on a university you haven't been accepted to yet.

Or taking out a mortgage on a house you don't own.

You get the point.

[–]p00nbrigade 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great write up. I'll have to try this strategy out more. My go to strategy is to invite a girl out to do something with me, escalate as much as possible the bare minimum being making out and then just move it back to my place then continue to escalate. Usually flows pretty smoothly.

I like this strategy because I feel like it helps me with my one night stand game where I need to carry an interaction and escalate over a longer period of time.

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've done that in the past, and it's still a valid strategy and still effective. You'll nonetheless waste more time and money for sure.

[–]Virtusvitium 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is true as fuck. If she can't drive, pick her up, buy coffee or pizza, and take her somewhere and smash. I did this, however I was seeking a relationship. I learned the hard way that most women just want pizza and one night stands because they're too busy with their personal life for any commitment. Do yourself a favor and don't try to date a girl you fuck on the first night. If she's done it with you, she's done it with many others.

[–]InfiniteAscent 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I sometimes bring up the notion of "what is important to people in a spouce/LTR" and point out that people will prioritize things differenty - personality, appearance, common interests, whatever. Then I point out that sex trumps all of those things in every case. Not that it's higher priority, but that it's a must have item on the list. Because everyone (except people who are bi) automatically eliminates half the population based on their gender. Women look for that "companionship" with men, and men with women. Gay folks look for it in their own gender. Because at the end of the day it's a requirement that you be able to fuck them regardless of where that falls in the priority list. It's non-negotiable for everyone. After I mention this to people they're often not sure how to respond. This post basically changes the "getting to know you" phase by screening for this absolute requirement first and foremost - everything else is preferences of various degree.

[–]godfatherchimp 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sometimes with online dating is impossible to meet a girl anywhere but a public place, where you are automatically in her frame

But yes, I agree for the most part. Even in my blue pill days, one girl I met in college who was obviously interested, she just straight up invited me over. To fuck obviously

[–]TheVagWhisperer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same advice every time. Treat a woman like a sex object if you want sex. Not one single post about a relationship consisting of anything more than banging.

[–]jrdnsln 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well said my man. If you don't want to be the guy taken for a ride then don't pretend to be a guy who will be taken for a ride.

Inevitably the point in the conversation will come where she asks what you guys are gonna do for your first meeting. "You're gonna come over so we can fool around" This works so good. If she says sure or ok or something smart and cute like "oh you think you got it like that" the by god you're in. Game over. If she's hesitant and insists on meeting in public first then you gotta gauge on your own if she's worth it. You should've been gaming her enough to know the likelihood of smashing. If she rejects the idea outright then you saved yourself a ton of time.

[–]tall_bacon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've started doing this. If not the first date (which is usually under 20 dollars at a local craft beer and wine bar), DEFINITELY by the second. I'm a genuine, honest, straightforward guy. I will tell a woman that I want to spend some quality time with her, cook her dinner, and enjoy some wine and a movie. Usually leads to an intimate evening.

It's failed once in the last couple years out of maybe 20 attempts.

[–]sickofallofyou 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah most of my first dates end up at my house, or tinderellas they just come right over.

[–]Queefy_McGee 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Love this idea. My best plates have been direct invite fucking on first meetup.

Question though. On tinder game /real life game, is it better to ask them to come over or lead by saying you should come over?

" We are having drinks this Friday at my place"

Vs

"Wanna come over for drinks Friday?"

[–]XVbreathe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Combine them - "We should have drink Friday"

[–]ddiimmaa123 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

be wary of doing this with girls you haven't met yet, pictures are deceiving as FUCK

[–]Leader_Sakra 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've learnt that the stated plan involves going back to my bedroom, shedosn't know where you live.

[–]TheRedStoic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excellent advice. I learned this lesson when I began going over to their place commonly instead of a first date. I noticed a definite increase in numbers. Then I started using mine. Now I'm back to going to theirs though since I prefer my place to be off limits unless they've been plates for quite a while.

[–]MrAnderzon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn I need to get my own place.

[–]count_bratula 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't deny that a girl might come over on the first day knowing that sex is on the menu.

Most girls I've met though are pretty scared of being raped/killed by a psycho and wouldn't do that immediately. They at least need to meet a guy somewhere public first to assess him.

[–]DamnDirtyApe87 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do both, but I try and get them to my place with a nice 'let me make you dinner at my place' by the second date usually. If we made out already or they're really into me, I can skip the coffee bullshit usually.

[–]SgtDowns 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait did you really say part of the success is "she has the freedom to leave anytime." Bro, even if she's at your apartment she should have the freedom to leave at anytime. I hope that's a misstatement in your part.

[–]VanillaVeku 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Something I'm confused about though.

I thought one of the main purposes of TRP was to differenciate yourself from other more "beta" and "generic" men.

With the hookup culture being so dominated by guys trying to get a quick no strings attached lay out of women, are you not behaving just like the typical man if your sole intent is to just get a quick lay as well?

[–]Eternal_Mat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I learnt this lesson when I talk to her next.

[–]Poptart318 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if you're a college student who still live at home with parents?

[–]DesignerTom -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Interesting, of course dinner dates and cinema dates are terrible bUt actually hanging out with a girl outside of your apartment can be lots of fun. I think your method would screen for girls DTF but there will also be girls who are equally DTF at a the end of a good date who don't want to seem like such an obvious slut.

[–]Barbie_and_KenM -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

*only works on 6's and below.

[–]mcr00sterdota -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What if you don't have your own house (renting or living with parents)

[–]Tommy_407 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

WTF do you mean by renting? Renting means you have your own apartment or room atleast and your roommates can't control what you do or who you have over if it's a member of the opposite sex and obviously intimacy related.

Unless you're in a beta deal with some uptight ass subletter usually a chick who won't let you have any overnight guests or some frumpish old widow renting her upstairs rooms out sort of deal.

If u live with parents first of all how old are u?

But the answer to parents situation would be monk mode until u can rent a room.

[–]polskiwizard -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Possibly a little LMR and ASD, but that's not the right frame.

[–]bobster5 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Possibly a little LMR and ASD, but it's always been cheap. first date.

[–]PurpleDrank88 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Don't disagree with a lot of your points, but I also don't think that taking a girl out once before bringing her back is going to kill your chances at getting laid. I'm not taking the girl out to dinner or on some nice date to impress her, but shit if she wants to go have a few drinks at a bar beforehand who cares? Odds are you are still getting laid either way

[–]abbafishhead[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wrong. The dating landscape is changing. Read the 2nd or 3ed top comment about how everything is relative. You lose lays by taking girls out on dates.

[–]RedditAdminsSuck_88 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with this post for the most part in principle but I always make meet up #2 at my place not #1.

No. 1 is usually something ultra casual and short to see if she is someone I would want in my apartment. But #2 is always at my place every time.

[–]wintboy2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Meeting women and learning to bet on them takes a lot if you already know each other though.

[–]1whatsazipper -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Eh, if you're horny enough and have the balls to escalate, you'll find a way to make a move. I live in a location that has a lot of people, but not much to do. Going out for a bite to eat is easy and I'm not obligated to pay.

Plenty of women require some warm up or familiarity so just arrange the situation such that it doesn't deviate much from your schedule.

You're also not obligated to pay for shit but if she's a minimum wage worker then buying her some trivially priced beverage or food isn't going to break your wallet. If she's an independent woman she can pay for your stuff (I believe in progressive dating ;)

[–]3axapu -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I find it hard to reconcile conflicting goals. On one hand I want to work on my career, invest in myself and save money, which entails going to graduate school while staying with parents. On the other hand, a successful dating life pretty much requires you to have a place of your own and spend less time building up your skillset that will eventually get you very high salaries.

I think the best course of action seems to study a lot while in school and then start dating more regularly when you get a job. This means you'll be spending your university time in your parent's place though, which is a huge downside.

Seems to me that career / wealth vs regular/casual dating are two irreconcilable things.

[–]meaningintragedy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am not a student anymore and I have my own apartment, but I agree with you. Meeting women and learning to game them takes a lot of time, time that you can use to better yourself.
But I think it's an investment and that once you have 2/3 plates and get better at day/night game, things will get smoother and you'll have to invest less time.

[–]ATLink88 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry my man I can't read that full post right now (I've got to go out) but I wanted to comment 2 quick things:

1 - "Hambeast" - OMFG, I'm stealing that one right now. I've never heard it before!

2 - "YES." - If your post is as good as you're title then you're exactly right my dude. As long as she knows enough of you to be comfortable in that surrounding (note I'm saying comfortable, not completely 100% at ease and schlepping around in her manky slippers) then you're definitely putting your best foot forward by doing this, women like men of action and you can put up mental barriers as much as you like but Action talks and Bullshit walks.

Only caveat - bearing in mind you might touch on this in the post, and I'm 100% not criticising - I can't recommend this for brand new guys in the game.