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it TRANSWOMEN not TRANS WOMEN (self.GenderCritical)

little_red_lion が 投稿

The space means that we are modifying the word woman. Like Black woman, White woman, angry woman. Transwomen is the noun for a male who has transitioned or claimed they are really a woman. or you could use the most appropriate term: Male to Trans, or MtT. there is no such thing as the noun woman being modified by the word trans. it is illogical as it is impossible to change one's sex.

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[–]iPood_ 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I never include "women" when referring to MtT people. I always use male pronouns and usually refer to them as MtT individuals. I usually get downvotes elsewhere on Reddit when I do this, but at least I'm bringing visibility to the correct terms (which I think a lot of people aren't aware of). If someone questions what a MtT is, I explain it is a "male presenting as a woman". I think it is really important not to give an inch when it comes to terminology (or anything to do with MtT, really) as they have proven time and again that they will take 10,000 miles.

[–]little_red_lion[S] 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i agree completely. we can't play along with their game when it comes to language.

[–]4leafDover 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it is really important not to give an inch when it comes to terminology (or anything to do with MtT, really) as they have proven time and again that they will take 10,000 miles.

. Nailed it

[–]Lil_Z 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If someone questions what a MtT is, I explain it is a "male presenting as a woman"

I think this could also work as a descriptive term in place of transwoman'. I also recommend using "men who claim to feel 'psychologically female'", or or some variant on that because that way you are highlighting the absurdity and sexism of their claim to be women instead of implicitly conceding it (as 'transwoman' does).

[–]vulvapeopleI am Terficus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I often write "men who claim to be women".

[–]Lil_Z 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Short, sharp and sweet ;-)

[–]cherieblosumnot brainwashed 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's never women. It's always trans or MtT.

[–]little_red_lion[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

indeed. i have seen lately, a lot of people writing "trans women". and i want to make sure people understand the difference. especially with so many new members who may not realize what the terminology means

[–]4leafDover 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're absolutely correct. I have written it a couple of times in recent comments in this subreddit in which I was trying to "channel" the (absurd) thinking of genderists.

I hope new readers understand that in those posts i am ridiculing the anti-homo sapiens idea that a male can become a female, or that female brains exist and that somehow a "female brain" grew inside a body with male sexual organs and endocrine system.

[–]Lil_Z 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I usually use 'transgender male'. MtT also works. Agree that we need to stop linguistically conceding that they are some subset of 'women', which is why I'm trying to break the habit of even using 'transwomen'. That said, in some places you can't comment at all unless you call them 'transwomen'; in those cases it's best to just make sure you don't use the space. (Many of these spaces will also allow you to use 'biological males', which, although tautological, is often a better option than 'transwoman'.) IMO it's always preferable to use words that point to the fact that MtTs are male. And whatever you do, don't call them 'she'.

Edit: I also think we should avoid using 'gender non-conforming men/males' for MtT, as they usually only reject masculinity in the most superficial sense. Take away the clothes and the make-up and the submissive sissy fantasies, and what we have here are some of the most aggressively sexist and male-dominant dudes on earth.

[–]little_red_lion[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's an important point- they aren't GNC men, or else they would call themselves men and they are specifically trying to divorce themselves from the word MEN. They are Male to Trans.

[–]edwinagorey 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (8子コメント)

The absolute worst is "transgender woman." I get a serious eye twitch whenever I see that one.

[–]CarrionFlowers 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (4子コメント)

the ultimate worse I've seen is ''woman of trans experience''.

[–]qwertypoiuytre 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

"woman born trans" is another common one.

[–]Belongs_to_Bast 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It really grinds my gears that they can say "woman born trans" (which is illogical), but it's the epitome of evil and bigotry if we describe ourselves as "born women".

[–]little_red_lion[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's horrible. wth?

[–]terfs-upBetter terf than serf 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woman experience is trans experience!

[–]hellamomzillatoo old for undiluted gender nonsense and queer theory 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just this week, I read something which talked about non-transgender women. I mean, come on.

[–]Lil_Z 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Almost all media orgs are now using 'transgender woman' as the standard. This will be in their style guides, which means the sub-editors will enforce it even if the writer doesn't use it. Newspapers/magazines will have decided on this term on advice from trans media orgs about the most 'sensitive' way to refer to trans people. The style guides will also contain the directive not to identify trans people as trans unless there is a specific reason to do so (again, on instruction from trans media orgs). That's how we end up with male rapists and murderers simply being described as 'women' in news stories, and papers even going so far as to avoid showing pics of them.

[–]cherieblosumnot brainwashed 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"transgender female" was posted yesterday

[–]IceIceKittyLion pronouns Leo/leor/leos 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've seen that too. Maybe with the new subscribers some of those habits are leaking in. I try to say trans males, MtT, autogynophiles, or even males with body modifications. I don't even like to say transwomen since it still implies they're women at least in some way.

[–]little_red_lion[S] 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

me too. here i try to always say MtT. if i am writing on FB, i will write transwomen or MtT, depending on the group i am writing in.

[–]terfygoodness~problematic~ 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Why do they always say they're transitioning into women, when they were supposedly born women 🤔🤔

[–]girl_undonecritical of liberals and the left, so must be right-wing 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If they were always women, then I guess they're transitioning into a stereotype.

[–]little_red_lion[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no one ever seems to be able to explain that one.

[–]fretmadamA New Wave 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have an answer to this, but it is absurd and I won't risk some trans activist or whathaveyou come along and take it. I refuse to help their cause any further.

[–]Russian_ArtWorried about the Madness 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Newcomer here, made this mistake on my first post, have now fixed it. I understand the reasoning.

[–]little_red_lion[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

no worries!! we all started out still using the trans terminology and not really understanding what the words meant that we had been encouraged to say. you will find that most of us were at one point sympathetic to Trans, if not outright allies. part of understanding exactly what is going on with Trans and Queer theory is understanding the language they use.

[–]Question-the-QuoStill Learning 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I go back and forth with it. Here, in my digital home, I say "transgender males" or "MtT".

On Tumblr.hell I do admittedly sometimes say "transwomen" or "trans women" (without thought) because everyone else is too enlightened to know who/what class of people I'm talking about, or do understand but plug their eyes and refuse to read anything else I say because of the "transphobic" devil's language I use. 😑

But I have recently been making an attempt to say "transgender males" or "transitioned males" more on there to make a point, because you're all right, we shouldn't give an inch.

[–]ethanGeltanNon-delusional Man 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I automatically parse "transwoman" as MtT and "trans woman" as FtT

[–]endofthelinerXX-Marks-My-Sex=Female 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well, neither is a woman anyway.

Trans hate it when you use "transwoman", also.

[–]Grainne_O_MalleyNatal males aren't lesbians 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Trans hate it when you use "transwoman", also

Which is why I make sure that I write it as such. ;)

[–]little_red_lion[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yes they do. because its a different word, with a different meaning, than woman. but they aren't a woman, so they don't get to use that word