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Mod PostIntroducing Rule 10 (and other rule revisions) (self.roosterteeth)

SonicFrostMonty Oum が 投稿 - announcement

Hello, everyone! This rule has been a long time coming, so let's cut to the chase, shall we?

Rule 10: Do not post links to 1 day FIRST Exclusives.

This rule does not apply to FIRST-only content, 7-day FIRST exclusives, and premieres/finales.

That rule has been a long time coming, as many on the subreddit have voiced their opinions, saying that the division of First posts only served to clutter our front page, and divide discussion. The reason this rule currently does not apply to premieres and finales is that these are much higher traffic discussion threads, and do not show the same division that other First-early posts would. If you are posting these kinds of threads, please consider labeling them FIRST Premiere or FIRST Finale, or something of the sort.

Rule Revisions, changes in bold:

Rule 3: No screenshot/imgur posts of individual social media updates.

Screenshots of multiple social media updates are allowed, as they provide context for each other that a link would not. This rule does not apply to social media updates that do not have a link, such as Snapchat.

Rule 6: No defaced Wiki screenshots.

This does not include video screenshots.

Rule 7: Unedited GIFs, highlights, and video screenshots are to be posted in the official video threads.

Any made from older videos or done with noticeable user edits will be allowed at the discretion of the moderators. Cropped images do not count as edited.

MAJOR EDIT

Hey, did you know 50-turn Mario Party is coming out tomorrow? Haha, neither did we. Hey, did you know the last time AH put out a "movie" it had over 1000 upvotes and over 300 comments on the FIRST-early thread, totally defying the typical amount for those threads? Haha, we sure knew that! Anyway, so after a minor major scramble/freakout among some of us mods, we're creating a new exception: AH Movies. These are highly anticipated posts, and we feel the need to make them an exception to the rule. As this is a brand-spankin'-new rule, it has a lot of room for tweaking, so this may be the first tweak of more to come. Going forward, we will let anyone know about future exceptions in whatever way we can.

So, for the Mario Party post, one of the mods will just post the link once it's live at its scheduled time. (Which is apparently 8AM CDT). Hopefully the next time something like this happens the timing will be a bit better.

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[–]diddum 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is essentially punishing First members. They're the ones who pay for the content and now they can't talk about that content here while it's fresh in their minds they have to wait a day, by which point they may not bother. Really disappointing rule change.

[–]Shrekt115Sportsball [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They could put it in a notepad, then copy/paste it to the main thread

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Would a RTFirst sub help? A subreddit just for First members to discuss videos 1 day early? And then they can copy paste the comments that are important to them?

[–]KittensAreEvilSuggested the name "Theater Mode" 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Not a fan of this at all, it's a couple of posts a day and serve as a heads up for First members a new video is out without going to the site/app.

[–]oboeplumPeople Like Grapes 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I understand the point of this rule, but I do find that new first content (particularly AH and particularly minecraft) can be hard to find and I often only watch minecraft when I see the link posted here as it's hard to find on the site.

[–]zombiegamer723Jeremy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I just have the Show Schedule page bookmarked rather than the home page. It shows every video that's coming out within the next few days, all in one nice organized list. Much easier than trying to navigate the main page.

[–]RDV1996Fan Service 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or the "recently added" page.

Because with the schedule, it doesn't show the FIRST release when there's a public release.

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That and the recently-added page got better with the drop down selection.

[–]Dan_Of_TimeThe Meta 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Agreed.

I'm also not going to remember the comment I wanted to make 24 hours ago.

RT is pushing the first platform, why should we ignore it like this?

The Sponsor boards are dead, we should be able to discuss it here.

[–]OniExpress 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

RT is pushing the first platform, why should we ignore it like this?

This is my thought on the matter in a nutshell. It seems slightly insane that the company has a dedicated platform to distribute content to paid members, and the subreddit wants to ignore that.

[–]Shrekt115Sportsball [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Because the paying members don't comment on it

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

And (correct me if I'm wrong) Roosterteeth's "First" product is content. Not the discussion of said content.

Now, if I don't sound too crazy right now. I'm pretty sure exclusives are allowed to be posted to the sub. So it doesn't look like the subreddit is ignoring it.

[–]Shrekt115Sportsball [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

It's just 1 day early stuff right? It usually never got any comments

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Unless its a Season premiere/finale or a "The Movie" video.

So basically regular series that come out a day later.

[–]Shrekt115Sportsball [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because it's just a day wait, they can easily put their comments in a note, then copy it to the thread

[–]RDV1996Fan Service -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm also not going to remember the comment I wanted to make 24 hours ago.

there's a comment section on the website you know, they also want their site to become the N°1 platform their fans interact on...

[–]Dan_Of_TimeThe Meta 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The comment section full of bots? Yeah, no.

RT is pushing their platform for distribution. The social side was taken out back and shot a couple of years ago.

[–]RDV1996Fan Service -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was taken out to totally renew it, slowly. but they don't see the point of it anymore since nobody actually uses it. It's kind of in a loop. People don't use it because it's shitty. They're not spending a lot of ressources on it because people don't use it.

[–]Dan_Of_TimeThe Meta [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not really a loop though.

No body uses it because it's shitty means they should change it. No loop.

The consumer is not part of that cycle, if they can't make a decent product it's not the consumers fault for not using it.

Things like twitter and Reddit have attracted the community since they broke their forums. Now the site is just videos and journals.

[–]Quit-Your-BitchingBlake Belladonna 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (8子コメント)

With all due respect to the mods, this is such a stupid fucking rule.

[–]beckymeganOG Discord Crew -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

As Sonic has said, we will be revisiting this rule at a later date to see if it turns out to be necessary. Further, even the mod team couldn't agree on its implementation so this is definitely not the only time this rule will be discussed.

[–]B0mb-Hands 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Further, even the mod team couldn't agree on its implementation

So why implement the rule then? As many others have said, this simply punishes first members and its really a couple posts a day vs the plethora of shit posts and constantly asked repeat questions

[–]beckymeganOG Discord Crew 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a secondary point, I've argued extensively not to do this rule. I am on your side.

[–]B0mb-Hands 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Appreciated and i hope the mod team understands why first members feel this rule os a farce

[–]beckymeganOG Discord Crew 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The rule was implemented because the majority of the mod team agreed that it would be a good idea for the reasons that are stated above, currently it's being trialed so it's very possible this rule will not be long lasting.

[–]anialater45 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

So what is the later date in this case? Is it an actual planned period or is it "we'll just say that so they think there's a chance we might actually take it back" thing?

[–]SonicFrostMonty Oum[S,M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The rule always had a planned 2 week-1 month gestation period, so we'll be able to get a real feel for how this plays out without drawing it out for too long, especially if it's unfavorable. Right now it seems mixed, but it's been less than 24 hours. Could go either way, and whichever way it goes is the way we'll follow.

[–]beckymeganOG Discord Crew [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

We do "Town Halls" every six months or so to discuss rule changes/ideas with the sub, our last being in December. So I would assume the next would be in June and that would be the next major discussion.

As I've stated in some other comments your complaints are not being ignored. I personally argued against this rule change and will be keeping it at the forefront.

[–]PKStarFire 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck the lot of you. I'm bringing my nonexistent comments on /r/roostertube.

[–]Tarantula_Crossing 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not a fan of rule 10 as I pretty much exclusively used the subreddit to find First uploads. Now I have to click a few more times to find them. These truly are dark times.

[–]Tokbirn 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I just want to say, I've said my peace on this subject before, and while I still strongly disagree with getting rid of the day earlier first threads, I respect the decision and the reasons for that decision. I just hope we can give it a couple months and revisit the discussion(publicly, here on the subreddit) and talk about if it's a positive, negative, or neutral result.

As an aside, with the Mario Party Movie coming out tomorrow for First members, I feel like that's going to be a good test. Because people are going to want to talk about it, a lot.

[–]SonicFrostMonty Oum[S,M] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

This definitely isn't an open/shut "fuck you guys our word is final" rule. Even the mod team has differing opinions on it.

Like mentioned in the edit, this is a rule that is likely to evolve as RT's productions and release schedules change. We don't want to suppress good discussion where it actually, actively happens.

And I think this will definitely be something to have a Town Hall about in the future, however soon or far that is, and I look forward to it. We actively listen to your opinions, and that's a huge reason this rule even happened. If public opinion down the line says this is a dud, we'll without a doubt revisit it.

[–]CalluummmmmGeoff in a Ball Pit 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The First threads have always got good discussion, for all the illegitimate posts and comments on this sub the First threads really don't seem all that big a problem.

Obviously there's the benefit of having a tidier sub but don't think that's good enough to warrant removing legitimate conversations

[–]Tokbirn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Even the mod team has differing opinions on it.

Oh I know. I remember a town hall thread from back during ELR about it, where one of the mods(I thought it was you, but it was a while ago, I could be misremembering) agreed with me. At the end of the day, for me, it's easier to use the subreddit by new to see when videos go up for first members, since the site itself loads like crap on my phone, and I'm usually playing games on my xbox and don't want to switch to the first app. But I also recognize I'm probably in the minority there.

At the end of the day, I just wanted to make sure we don't forget to open the conversation up again down the road where we can all see it(not in Discord or whatever) and voi e our opinions after we've seen it in action for a couple months, which you guys clearly seem to be in agreement that it's something worth doing, so you'll get no tantrums from me.

Thanks for volunteering your time to make this space a better place, all of ya!

Edit: And I just read the edit to the OP. Good call there! Looking forward to it.

[–]SonicFrostMonty Oum[S,M] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It actually may have been me, that's familiar. Since then I've been paying attention to just how much activity the first-early posts usually get, and it's definitely swayed me. On the surface, my first opinion was, "But I'm a First member, where will I go to discuss this?". And I feel like that's how a lot of others feel about this rule.

But that said, almost all of us were lurkers for a total of 3-6 comments on average. And, this is the case for me at least -- I went into the public discussion threads anyway, and more often than not commented there. So I think for many of us it'll just become one less place to look, rather than one less place to discuss.

As for opening up the conversation -- it would absolutely be here on Reddit. You can always come onto Discord to discuss it with me personally, but I do know it's a totally minuscule portion of this sub -- 3,000 or so members. It'd be ridiculous for us to have a conversation with this subreddit away from the subreddit.

Also, you can see us realize Mario Party comes out tomorrow on discord.

I appreciate your willingness to look at the situation from outside perspectives, even if they disagree. It's not easy to do, but I think it creates a better environment. I do truly hope to make this subreddit a better place for our users.

[–]Tokbirn 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Out of curiosity, I just checked my last 30 days of comment history in this sub, and I'm 3-2 in favor of First threads. I'm not a very good sample size, hah. To be fair, Horizon Zero Dawn consumed me for quite a while during that time frame.

But I hear you. It was very uncommon for First threads to get more than a few comments. My main use for them was just a reminder that a video was posted. Or a good example was today with the RT podcast going up late for First members, it was eaiser to check here than on the xbox app or website.

I'm going to be totally honest, I'm not entirely sure what Discord is, other than being a chat client. I'll remember to google it one day.

Anyways, as for your final paragraph there... It's actually something I've had to make an effort on, but(and this is getting oddly personal, but whatever) it's good to get affirmation in that. Personal growth!

Anyways it's way too late on my end. Keep up the good work(that's to all of the mod team)!

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm absolutely a fan of the rule. And if you guys wanted to compromise, I'd think it could be done in the form of exceptions.

The only "First" threads that get the most comments are the GTA/MC LPs and Podcasts, then a few LPs, and AH stuff after that. The rest are pretty much dead.

Though another compromise could be, if it kills you that you can't discuss content 1 day later, just have an RTFirst sub. And honestly, if that sub grows larger and larger, to the point where there is constant discussion. Either the community there will not want to go back to this sub to make their posts, or they'll just have their "reminder" of what to post on the public version.

I'm not sure if it can be implemented, but is there a way to make a default mode for the subreddit that auto-hides posts with the "first early" tag or whatever? Its not too effective but it'll give the posters a place.

I'm more of a fan of the separate sub idea. They want to discuss content as first members. Let them go do it. The only difference is they'd navigate elsewhere. They'd still know when First content is out (which they should because it's like clockwork), they'd still be able to make and remember their important comments for later, and /r/roosterteeth will be a bit decluttered with stuff. They'll also still get to have their karma by posting 2-3 minutes before the video is actually out (which I have done as well, full disclosure).

[–]super_slayer 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Why not have the 1 day FIRST discussion and not the YouTube links? It would drive more people to the website and allow people who pay for the service to discuss items as it comes out rather than spamming our thoughts the next day?

[–]loldudesterOn The Spot[M] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We did discuss that option of course.

As it is we want an automated video posting system and the RT site doesn't have an API our bot can easily hook into, and the engineering department wouldn't appreciate the more brute-force methods of looking up new videos.

On top of that the majority of users here are not First members, or just prefer to watch on Youtube, which means most discussion happens on the Youtube threads, with the exception of certain shows. Therefore it makes more sense to post the YT links when more people are looking for those videos and talking about them, rather than having more people have to go looking for a day old thread that's probably fallen off of the first two pages of the subreddit by the time they get to watch it.

[–]SonicFrostMonty Oum[S,M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Damn it you beat me to the punch, and with the same explanation.

[–]SonicFrostMonty Oum[S,M] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm not sure what you mean by it spamming your thoughts. The majority of people, in this subreddit as well as the fanbase as a whole, aren't FIRST Members -- switching it to only allowing FIRST posts would decimate discussion, since I can guarantee most people won't be arsed to look for a day old thread on the video they just watched. FIRST early posts up until now have had very little traffic or discussion, minus series/season premieres and finales, so we feel it's easier to ask FIRST members to wait a day to discuss the video than it is to ask everyone else to force themselves to use reddit's search feature.

We've had countless complaints (many of which can be found in the Retrospective thread) believing that 1 day FIRST-early posts simply cluttered the feed and were just generally under-used, so this has been on our minds for a few months now.

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

since I can guarantee most people won't be arsed to look for a day old thread on the video they just watched

Anyone who has been on this sub would be able to attest to this. And this extends beyond videos.

[–]SonicFrostMonty Oum[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why is Geoff leaving?

[–]Coffeezilla 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can we have a rule clearly stating that spoiler discussions in a videos thread are to be expected? It's a little tiring for a video to see 3-4 people whining and complaining that a perfectly good comment contains spoilers because they opened the comments before watching the video.

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People who go to discussion threads of a public video should have common sense. A rule for that won't help unfortunately.

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I remember when there were like 3-4 posts of "Hey can anyone tell me what the best episodes of theatre mode are?" on the same day in the span of a few hours

[–]Shrekt115Sportsball [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Like, how hard is it to search lmao

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just as hard as it is to not comment "I laughed when ______" a day later I guess.

[–]CitrusRabborts 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really think the mods have fucked up here. With how shit navigation is on the RT website this was the best way to see First content. Plus having to wait an extra day to discuss videos makes it seem like mods are punishing First members on this sub. This whole rule makes no fucking sense.

[–]BigHoss94Team Magnum Dong 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I'm a FIRST member who usually sticks to public threads, so this is welcome. I like discussing with everyone.

[–]Shrekt115Sportsball [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Thank you! No one was even using them!

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Nu-uh! I was totally using them for my insightful "I died when Michael started doing the yelling thing" comments.

How fucking dare the mods stop me from shitposting in 2 threads!?

[–]ToFurkiePongo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I end up talking in both threads, so keeping it to one thread would be nice

[–]DeflatedDrifblimMogar 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because talking in 2 threads is such an impossible task.

[–]ToFurkiePongo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's nice to keep discussion in one

[–]MattSR30Funhaus 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I watch RT content almost exclusively when it is 'in FIRST' and I'm more than fine with this.

The threads for FIRST videos were largely empty. In my experience, I would always try to discuss things and never really get anywhere, and then see people having far more success in the video bot threads.

Having one spot for people to discuss things is smart. Saves the hassle of the sort of experiences above. The reality is that far more people watch content on Youtube. Combining the avenues of discussion would theoretically make those discussions more expansive in nature. It makes sense.

[–]bdh008RTAA Gus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)╯╲__ _卐卐卐卐

Don't mind me, just taking my mods for a walk. Kidding pls don't ban me

Also, something I think would be cool for this sub is Best-Of posts, if there's enough interest. Just finding the best and funniest comments/posts and collecting them bi-weekly or monthly.

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The mods are stopping me from having a crucial discussion!

Actually, thats a pretty cool idea, a lot of stuff happens in 1 week alone. The mods at Funhaus had the /r/Funhaus awards and they were pretty good.

[–]KesbaeTeam JNPR 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think the only reason I would have been against this overall would have been while TLR was going on, since the window of time was important and First posts were highly trafficked. Since that's done, I check out and make comments in the main thread just as often as the First thread anyways.

[–]SonicFrostMonty Oum[S,M] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When we started seriously discussing this rule sometime in January, I specifically mentioned waiting for Eleven Little Roosters' run to complete, because it was an absolute exception to the general status of First-early posts thanks to the ARG nature of it, and now here we are.

[–]KesbaeTeam JNPR 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Awesome! Figured as much. Definitely appreciate it!

[–]iamthatguy54 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This seems like a silly rule change, especially for shows that can be heavily edited when going on Youtube, like On The Spot.

[–]llloksd 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If I watch a first video the day it comes out, I now have nowhere to comment. You think people are going to remember the video well enough to comment on it the next day?

If you guys were not all agreeing on it, why not, hmm I don't know, ask the community first? You know, the people who are going to be affected by it all more? If the comments and post score mean anything, then people really don't like this.

[–]RDV1996Fan Service 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

now have nowhere to comment.

What about the video comment section?

[–]llloksd 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because it's nowhere near as good as this one. Plus you'll find more discussion on the Reddit thread.

You've also asked and have been answered multiple times already throughout this thread regarding this.

[–]RDV1996Fan Service [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You've also asked a question, asked multiple times. And i just want to know everybody's opinion, why they wouldn't just go to the video section.

And this is the best answer so far. and I agree. But if you really want discussion, why not wait for public release? There's more people discussing there.

[–]llloksd [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I never asked a question about this though.

why not wait for public release? There's more people discussing there.

Like I said, the people who watch it when it released, now have to wait an extra day to discuss it. Things will be forgotten, and the discussion will be less.

[–]juniorlax16 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So does this include the livestreams of the podcasts? I'm a FIRST member but I prefer to listen to the audio podcast at work, and I like to get a sense of what's to come or who's on the show or what parts NEED to be watched as opposed to listened to.

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sweet! Hopefully this will allow fan art and other stuff to get more visibility.

And I'm sure if there was another thing like ELR the threads would be allowed because of the ARG aspect of it.

[–]Shrekt115Sportsball -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

THANK GOD!!! As someone who browses new (yes I like to live dangerously), it'll be nice to be less cluttered! As for the image thing, when is it considered "old" enough to post? 1 week? Just curious is all

[–]The_Orsum_OneDisgusted Joel -19 ポイント-18 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Well this is stupid, guess a bunch of people won't be discussing videos anymore. There is like 3 posts a day, guess that clogs up to much of this barren place. I didn't think this place could become even more shit, guess I was wrong. You obviously need to make more room for the countless 'wat da beast theter mod epesoad?' posts

[–]bannedfromsub 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

barron

Barren with an e mean bleak and lifeless, which is what i think you mean, since you are talking in a negative way.

Baron only has one r and is a title of honour. I don't think this is what you mean since subreddits cannot be barons.

Could be wrong though, and if I am sorry.

[–]The_Orsum_OneDisgusted Joel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, you right. I'm sorry, English is my first language.

[–]SonicFrostMonty Oum[S,M] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (19子コメント)

like 3 posts a day.

I know (...I hope) you're being hyperbolic here, but you can literally look at the front page right now and it's completely full of posts.

Here's the front page right now. We haven't begun removing posts under this rule (no offending posts have been made yet), yet they still literally don't make it to the front page. The last First-early post has 4 comments, with one of them asking if it now violates Rule 10, and the other being my clarification.

And I certainly don't see those Theater mode questions making it to the front page.

[–]The_Orsum_OneDisgusted Joel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Never said they make it to the front page, but for a sub that has 160000 users the post rate is incredibly low, you're lucky if it's 1 every 2 hours so getting rid first video day early discussions is stupid. People aren't going to want to come in a day later to discuss a video that they viewed the previous day. These posts aren't clogging up the sub, the posts asking for video recommendations are. Plus the example you gave is the podcast which most first members watch live so that's just a horrible example anyway. The first threads are not bad for this sub, implementing shitty Rules like this is bad for this sub.

[–]SonicFrostMonty Oum[S,M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (17子コメント)

for a sub that has 160000 users the post rate is incredibly low

This is a subreddit with a pretty specific modus operandi, it's not like other large subreddits where you can simply stumble upon content. The content is made, it gets posted. The alternative is fan art and questions -- many choose questions.

you're lucky if it's 1 every 2 hours

We have had 66 posts so far today, so reverse that -- about 2.75 every hour.

People aren't going to want to come in a day later to discuss a video that they viewed the previous day.

As seen in this thread alone, it's not a foreign sentiment. And considering how many people discussed those videos anyway, they barely come to discuss the posts as it is.

[–]The_Orsum_OneDisgusted Joel 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (16子コメント)

So fuck First Members then. Fuck the people who care about this company enough to actually give them money.

Banning two threads a day is gonna make this sub much better than it already is, because posting that Gavin just said something on twitter is a much better thread than a first discussion post. /s

This is such a stupid fucking rule

[–]CalluummmmmGeoff in a Ball Pit 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I do agree that First members shouldn't essentially be punished and have to wait a day to discuss content that they pay for, seems a bit odd

[–]oboeplumPeople Like Grapes -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It would be an odd rule if it weren't for the fact that you can discuss it on the site, or possibly the discord. Maybe there should be a weekly thread where first videos are linked and you could discuss them.

[–]CalluummmmmGeoff in a Ball Pit 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This subreddits purpose is to provide a platform for RT related conversations, the first threads always had conversations so I don't think you can justify removing them by saying that there's other places we can move to when this is the purpose of the subreddit

[–]k_flip 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And all the people who post on the YouTube threads should just go post on YouTube itself /s

This is a place for discussion, let us fucking discuss (this isn't directed specifically at you)

[–]ltpirateGeoff in a Ball Pit [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If first members feel like they're being punished. Maybe a RTFirst sub could be made for them.

[–]SonicFrostMonty Oum[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yes, fuck me for being a First Member.

And Gavin's tweets often create far more discussion than the First early posts currently do, so yes, I'd say they're better.

[–]The_Orsum_OneDisgusted Joel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

A thread asking questions to rapists created a lot of discussion, so by your logic that makes it an amazing thread and worth keeping.

[–]SonicFrostMonty Oum[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

What in God's name are you talking about? How are you comparing the two? What dangers am I enabling by letting people discuss Gavin's tweets?

[–]The_Orsum_OneDisgusted Joel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Okay I'll explain it to you so you can understand what I'm saying. You basically said more discussion=better thread, I gave an example that proved you wrong.

I'm not saying that you shouldn't let people post Gavin's tweets, I'm just saying you should let people discuss First content because that isn't hurting anyone or anything as well.

[–]SonicFrostMonty Oum[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

you should let people discuss First content

We did let them discuss it. And they didn't.

because that isn't hurting anyone or anything as well.

Given how much this rule has been suggested, people did not believe this to be the case.

[–]Secti0n31 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Omfg dude all they're trying to do is concentrate all the discussion into the same place! If you're a first member, you can comment about it on the website instead of crying on reddit.

[–]DaDoviendeBattle Buddies [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Rule ten seems like it's just punishing the community for no real reason.