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[-]lava_phone 43 points - [removed] (8 children)
India census by religion for the state of Assam
2001: Muslims 31%
2011: Muslims 34%
A growth rate of 3.3%, the highest in the country.
It should be clear to anyone that illegal immigration of Muslims from Bangladesh is behind this. Various political parties make sure it never ends because they rely on these illegals to win elections.
Apart from the fact that India is already overpopulated, these immigrants also upset the demographic balance of border states like Assam, Tripura, Meghalaya and West Bengal; slowly tilting the scales in their favour.
They have to go back.
[-]secretman2016 21 points - [removed] (1 children)
This is very true. And the census percentage mostly considers the legal population. The actual percentage is absolutely higher. I have seen Assam and Meghalaya change drastically over the last three decades.
[-]JamieNoble03 7 points - [removed]
True, Assamese speakers are only 40% of Assam, a minority in their own State 😔
[-]MaunMohan 6 points - [removed] (1 children)
> Apart from the fact that India is already overpopulated
That is reason enough.So many jobless bums in the countryside and we employ Nepali maids and watchmans.Drives me crazy.
[-]JamieNoble03 1 points - [removed] (2 children)
In Mumbai our society wanted to hire some Watchmen but only wanted to hire Coorgis or Syrian Christians. But their budget and salary that they were offering, no-one from the above communities were willing to accept. So they settled on Nepalis.
Similar case I know of a Mallu friend owning a modest restaurant offering classic Tamil/Kerala dishes. He could not get a Tamil, Mallu or Tuluva cook to work at the salary he was offering. He settled on a Bengali Muslim guy from some village in Bengal who learnt to make all the dishes including Appam, kothu parotta, Kal Dosa within a month and was happy with the salary too.
[-]basildoge [score hidden] - [removed] (1 children)
There are Nepalis who are actual Indian citizens too. Right from the beginning. Syrian Christians? You mean the Christians who follow the Syrian Malabar church or actual Christians from Syria?
[-]JamieNoble03 [score hidden] - [removed]
I'm not talking about the Gorkhas from Darjeeling and Sikkim who in general are not infamous for willingness to do blue collar work at low wages in faraway lands.
Malayali Syrian Christians from Kerala.
[-]Karmageddeon [score hidden] - [removed]
>Similar case I know of a Mallu friend owning a modest restaurant offering classic Tamil/Kerala dishes. He could not get a Tamil, Mallu or Tuluva cook to work at the salary he was offering. He settled on a Bengali Muslim guy from some village in Bengal who learnt to make all the dishes including Appam, kothu parotta, Kal Dosa within a month and was happy with the salary too.
This. We used to do the exact same thing. The cook and helper side of food industry are filled with bengalis now.
[-]artingence 13 points - [removed] (2 children)
I fully agree with you. In fact, I belong to one of these states. But there are some people on this sub, who would support this but wouldn't support Trump's actions against illegal immigrants. Fucking hypocrites.
Remember, I do not support racism/xenophobia against legal immigrants, or foreigners on legal visa.
[-]Fuido_gawker 4 points - [removed]
Well, logic and ideals can go fuck themselves if it concerns oneself.
[-]NehaKB 2 points - [removed]
I agree, total hypocrisy. They don't consider the impact of illegal immigrants before getting all soppy.
[-]slurp_derp2 -1 points - [removed] (1 children)
> They have to go back.

Build a wall and make Bangladesh pay for it !

[-]Fuido_gawker 3 points - [removed]
They can provide the labour I guess.
[-]azfun123 -9 points - [removed] (1 children)
> Apart from the fact that India is already overpopulated, these immigrants also upset the demographic balance of border states like Assam, Tripura, Meghalaya and West Bengal; slowly tilting the scales in their favour.
This is the 1941 census.
https://southasiablog.wordpress.com/2014/01/23/how-did-partition-change-the-religious-map-in-bengal/
>The religious breakdown in Bengal was 53.4% Muslim, 41.7% Hindu, and 4.8% other, mainly people practising tribal religions. In Assam, 41.5% were Hindus, 31.8% were Muslim, and 26.7% were tribal.
After partition one district went to Bangladesh which brought down the population to 26%.
The fact is that Assam has a lot of Muslims. Illegal immigrants according to Assam accord is Muslims entering after 1971.
The majority of Muslims in Assam are not illegal immigrants.
I also want to know how you assumed that these clerics are illegal immigrants?
[-]Atharvan 8 points - [removed]
Oh , so you are saying that maybe it is not an Illegal Bangladeshi but a patriotic right wing Indian nationalist who gave the fatwa ?
[-]fatwinger 5 points - [removed]
Aren't the north-eastern borders extremely porous and difficult to secure due to terrain?
[-]ajfben [score hidden] - [removed]
Misleading No Fatwa
[-]Just_Enlightenment [score hidden] - [removed]
When they Want to marry they include religion to Marry multiple wives but when they steal something they don't cut down their hands according to sharya law that's hypocrisy right there
[-]elder--wand 25 points (1 children)
At first reading I thought the girl was given a prize or something, I reread after seeing the first comment. Holy shit! Fatwa?
This means that he very clearly supports the IS, how has that not landed his ass in jail? This guy is a terrorist supporter, and I have no doubt that forms a major part of his sermon. If he is not arrested, then we risk radicalization of youth who is in contact with this motherfucking cleric.
I swear to god if any fucker ever said they support IS in front of me, they would get a punch in their throat and multiple kicks in the balls. Get informants in mosques, and get intel on mullas who support terrorism and lock their ass. We need to be intolerant towards any terrorist supporter.
[-]azfun123 -17 points (2 children)
This is what I was talking about. News clearly written to make it seem like Muslims are terrorist and ISIS supporters.
Other reports have said that fatwa was issued as the venue of her program was in the vicinity of a mosque and a graveyard.
“If anti-Sharia acts like musical nights are held on grounds surrounded by masjids, idgahs, madrassas and graveyards, our future generations will attract the wrath of Allah,” the fatwa read. Talking to ANI, Afrin said, “My singing is gift of God I believe it must be properly utilised, not doing so is ignoring God.”
Nothing to do with ISIS or terrorism. Clerics issue a fatwa against a concert organised in the vicinity of a mosque. Then people like you and Media with an obvious bias say it can be because she sang against ISIS.
Calling for informants in mosques etc. Seems like the article has done it's job.
[-]elder--wand 25 points (1 children)
If he did not support IS, then I guess it's your regular retard mulla. I should have read the news properly, I was basing my views on what the bot said. I don't click on articles typically, so if it's a misinterpretation on my part, a sincere apology.
Calling for informants in mosques etc. Seems like the article has done it's job.
Mullas suspected of hate speech should regularly be monitored in their mosques, and any place of gathering. These are breeding grounds for homegrown terrorists and we cannot take it lightly. I would say that goes for any group that has been known for terrorism so it's not only Islamic gatherings that need to be monitored, but they sure as hell need to be prioritized. We all know where the most terrorists come from.
[-]lava_phone 6 points (2 children)
Mullas suspected of hate speech should regularly be monitored in their mosques,
That sounds like too much work. Why not simply send them back to where he came from?
[-]elder--wand 12 points
That sounds like too much work. Why not simply send them back to where he came from?
If they are Indian citizen, then they belong here, in their own country. But in a jail cell, not in open spewing hatred, and radicalizing people.
[-]azfun123 -6 points (1 children)
Where did they come from? You do know that Muslims have been in Assam since the 13th century. Assuming all Assamese Muslims are Bengali immigrants is idiotic.
I don't get the blind aping of white nationalist by our Indian pseudo-nationalists. Calling Muslims immigrants doesn't apply to Indian Muslims. So I don't see where you get the idea of sending him back where they came from.
Where do you think these Hindus should be sent to?
[-]lava_phone 5 points
Those who crossed over from Bangladesh to India illegally need to be sent back. Simple as that.
No idea how that link is relevant.
[-]swacchreddit 13 points (1 children)
Clerics issue a fatwa against a concert organised in the vicinity of a mosque.
That's regressive in itself.
And the article is fairly clear and does not try to judge. The police are wondering whether the fatwa is due to the excuse given by the mosque or the fact that she was singing anti-IS songs and investigating to be sure.
[-]azfun123 -4 points (1 children)
That's regressive in itself.
Sure. How is it linked to terrorism?
And the article is fairly clear and does not try to judge.
What bullshit. The title clearly insinuates that the fatwa was issued because she sang against ISIS. The top comments are also based on that. Calling for the cleric to be booked for sedition and calling him a terrorist supporter.
According to reports, the fatwa has been issued against her keeping in view an upcoming event that was to be held on March 25. Since the venue of the event was in the vicinity of a mosque and a graveyard, the clerics have announced to boycott her singing programmes and have asked her to stop performing in public.
All these ISIS links are just fantasies of those who have an agenda against Muslims who want to paint them as terrorist sympathisers. The fatwa is clearly against singing and dancing etc. Go google fatwas against singing etc. You will find numerous fatwas. But people like you who like to think Muslims secretly sympathize with ISIS is the reason behind this fatwa.
[-]ryder098 11 points (1 children)
It seems you are defending fatwas in the first place. Fatwas of any kind are moronic thing, used to brainwash dumb people.
[-]azfun123 -2 points (2 children)
Fatwas are religious opinions.
Calling for boycotting and saying it's sinful is not terrorism. Whether you think Fatwas are moronic or dumb is another case. The pathetic attempt to link it to ISIS is stupid.
[-]elder--wand 13 points (2 children)
Guys, I think we found Zakir Naik's reddit account.
[-]ryder098 7 points (2 children)
I was thinking of the same thing.
Edit: I read his comments, he is really some kind of idiotic Islamic preacher; defending his Bombs.
[-]artingence [score hidden] (1 children)
You're right. I went through his profile. He is definitely an Islam apologist and comments almost selectively on Islam related threads.
[-]azfun123 [score hidden]
Yes. Because this subreddit is filled with Hindutva nationalists who write nonsense against Muslims and Islam. Needs someone who will call them out and correct them.
I have been on reddit for 2+ years. I was here when these Namoarmy etc were not banned yet. They used to write nonsense and justify violence against Muslims. So I started calling them out.
Take this thread. Baseless linking to ISIS to paint Muslims as terrorist sympathisers. I am going to call it out if nobody else does it.
[-]azfun123 -2 points
I read his comments, he is really some kind of idiotic Islamic preacher;
Wow. Calling out sensational news painting these clerics as terrorist ISIS sympathisers are being an "idiotic Islamic preacher"? What are you? A fake news publisher? Like Breitbart? Is this what passes for "alternative news"?
[-]azfun123 -2 points (1 children)
You seem to be like those new age atheist. Discover atheism on the internet, then achieve atheist enlightenment by watching these right-wing youtube atheists who spread hatred. Then get a hate boner for Islam and Muslims. Then say every mosque is a terrorist breeding ground and needs to be monitored. Then further paint Muslims as terrorist sympathisers.
[-]elder--wand 7 points
You seem to be like those new age atheist. Discover atheism on the internet, then achieve atheist enlightenment by watching these right-wing youtube atheists who spread hatred.
I have been atheist for a long time, I do enjoy a few good hitchslaps from time to time. I concede that. No hatred against people, I judge them individually based on their behaviour. As for religion, all religions suck ass.
Then get a hate boner for Islam and Muslims
As I said above, I do not hate individual Muslim people for nothing. If they are nice to me, I'll be nice to them. Comprende?
As for Islam, the regressive shitty stone age ideology started by a pedophile, murderer, warlord. I don't see what to like about it, why shouldn't I hate an ideology that wants to get Jizya, or outright want s to kill infidels.
Then say every mosque is a terrorist breeding ground and needs to be monitored. Then further paint Muslims as terrorist sympathisers.
Not every mosque, but the ones that have suspected hate speech spreading mullas. They are a ticking time bomb of radicalized youth, they must be monitored, and the mullas of these places, if found guilty should be jailed for an indefinite period.
I am no fan of terrorist sympathizers, but I guess they aren't criminals in their own right, so they get a pass. But terrorist supporters, well fuck them all.
[-]ryder098 9 points (1 children)
ISIS is the result of allowing such clerics to brainwash people using fatwas who have no common sense, people who will do anything in the name of god.
Fucking mullas trying to create another saudi in India.
One last request, please stop defending fatwas or any religious law. These religious laws are all bullshit.
[-]azfun123 -2 points (1 children)
Idiotic logic. Because believing in religion means they are brainwashed. If they are brainwashed they are similar to brainwashed ISIS supporters. So any religious guy has the same ideology as ISIS.
All the Indian Hindus who blindly follow their Baba's have the same ideology as ISIS.
Edit:
What is up with Sanghi's pretending they are against bullshit "religious laws"?
Here's ryder098 comment about RSS.
Do you know RSS has its own unit for Muslims? They are a bunch of Nationalist people but hate extremism. I don't know where the hell you get to know such bs information.
So RSS, who wanted constitution banned and Manusmriti implemented are nationalistic guys and hate extremism. Them wanting India's own Hindu rastra is okay. Or all the other regressive stuff. But fuck Mullas because you are a Sanghi. Every religious guy is a brainwashed ISIS supporter except, of course, the Sanghi's themselves.
[-]Notruehuman 5 points
Hey Azfun123:
Do you believe the following (yes and no answers only):
  • It is ok to kill apostates
  • It is ok to kill gay people
  • It is ok to marry and consumate the marriage with kids
  • It is ok to impose a tax on non-believers
  • It is ok to take slaves
REMEMBER, just a YES or NO!
[-]willyslittlewonka 22 points
Very peaceful!
[-]swacchreddit 15 points (1 children)
Usually all these clerics and Muslim organizations are eager to show how much they oppose ISIS and Islamic terrorism. I am worried as to whether groups like this one secretly have sympathies for the same. I'm glad the police are looking into the reason for this fatwa.
[-]azfun123 -2 points (2 children)
I am worried as to whether they secretly have sympathies for the same.
Yeah.
A lot of guys oppose Arvind Kejriwal.
Arvind Kejriwal has spoken about riots and violence against Muslims, Dalits etc
So I am worried as to whether those who speak out against Arvind Kejriwal have secret sympathies for those who commit violence against Muslims, Dalits etc. Maybe police needs to investigate you since you are clearly opposed to Arvind Kejriwal.
[-]oldmanelephant 9 points
No, there is no indirect relation in this.
She sang anti-ISIS songs and clerics issued Fatwa, so they do have sympathies to ISIS.
But, atleast according to the report, there is a possibility that they issued Fatwa for singing near a Mosque, not that it makes it right but that makes it look like its not in support of ISIS.
[-]throwawayprenuer [score hidden] (1 children)
I am trying to figure out the connection between your comment and parent comment.
[-]azfun123 [score hidden]
I am worried as to whether groups like this one secretly have sympathies for the same.
The fatwa was issued against singing, not ISIS. Because the cleric issues a fatwa against singing and it so happened that the girl sang a song against ISIS once upon a time, which makes him think that these guys are ISIS sympathisers.
So if these guys who speak up against Arvind Kejriwal who once upon a time spoke against BJP violence against Dalits and Muslims, does it make the guys who spoke against Kejriwal sympathetic to those who commit violence against Dalits and Muslims?
That's his idiotic logic and the idiotic logic in this thread which is the implication that these clerics are ISIS sympathisers.
[-]weaponboy_9 31 points - [removed] (2 children)
Religion of peace
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[-]Kalyanibar 4 points - [removed]
Mutter, may be..
[-]imaketrollfaces 28 points (1 children)
Either the cleric owns up this shit and apologizes, or lock him up for sedition.
[-]fatwinger -10 points (2 children)
Please look up the meaning of the offence of sedition. This stupid, archaic law has become a buzzword for morons like you who brandish it like some sort of lightsaber.
These clerics are morons but they aren't guilty of sedition.
[-]imaketrollfaces 16 points (2 children)
Whoever, by words, either spoken or written, or by signs, or by visible representation, or otherwise, brings or attempts to bring into hatred or contempt, or excites or attempts to excite disaffection towards, 102 [] the Government estab­lished by law in 103 [India], [] shall be punished with 104 [im­prisonment for life], to which fine may be added, or with impris­onment which may extend to three years, to which fine may be added, or with fine.
Supporting IS by issuing fatwa against singers who are against IS amounts to excite disaffection or spread hatred against the Government of India (established by law, i.e., election).
[-]fatwinger -3 points
Cite a fucking case law instead of spouting gyaan. Unless "imaketrollfaces" is the official reddit account of the Supreme Court of India. Would be fitting.
Edit: also read the article, sirji. They haven't declared allegiance to ISIS. This girl seems to have held a concert where she sang against ISIS. But the fatwa has been issued because she held a concert near their mosque.
Sensational, agenda-driven headlines are literally written for people like you and your subatomic thoughts.
[-]azfun123 -6 points (1 children)
Supporting IS by issuing fatwa against singers who are against IS amounts
Where did the clerics support ISIS? Did you even read the article? Or are you that guy who comments based on the title?
According to reports, the fatwa has been issued against her keeping in view an upcoming event that was to be held on March 25. Since the venue of the event was in the vicinity of a mosque and a graveyard, the clerics have announced to boycott her singing programmes and have asked her to stop performing in public.
[-]imaketrollfaces 9 points (1 children)
From the original:
The clerics in the fatwa asked her to not perform in public. Other reports have said that fatwa was issued as the venue of her program was in the vicinity of a mosque and a graveyard. The singer was also a runner-up in one of the musical reality TV shows in 2015.
Police have started an investigation into the matter and whether the fatwa was a reaction to Nahid recently performing songs against terrorism, including the Islamic State terror group. Police said that Nahid and her family would be provided security.
“We are looking at this angle as well,” ADG (special branch) Pallab Bhattacharya said, reported TOI. As per the reports, leaflets bearing the fatwa by the 46 clerics were distributed in Assam on Tuesday.
[-]azfun123 -1 points
From the original,
Police have started an investigation into the matter and whether the fatwa
Other reports have said that fatwa was issued as the venue of her program was in the vicinity of a mosque and a graveyard.
“If anti-Sharia acts like musical nights are held on grounds surrounded by masjids, idgahs, madrassas and graveyards, our future generations will attract the wrath of Allah,” the fatwa read. Talking to ANI, Afrin said, “My singing is gift of God I believe it must be properly utilised, not doing so is ignoring God.”
So the fatwa clearly mentions it's because of the concert organised close to a mosque. No mention of ISIS> The police with no proof start an investigation "whether" if it was because of her songs against ISIS. Then all of them become literal ISIS supporters. Need to be booked for sedition.
[-]stochastic_zeitgeist 4 points (1 children)
Har bar bc definition ka randi rona leke aa jaate hai ye log. Isi chutiyaape ke vaje se paal pose ke bade ho rahe hai ye cleric jaise haramkhoor.
[-]fatwinger 0 points
Bhai, agar kabhi bhi aapko aise mehsoos hota hain ki desh chutiyo se bhara hain to yaad rakh lijiye ki aap un chutiyo mein se ek ho.
[-]n0tpc 13 points (1 children)
There is a reason why Europe, which undoubtedly at the pinnacle of freedom of human thought and liberty, has given way to fascist parties, because they are the only ones in touch with reality on this topic. It is a war of ideas with the last standing abrahamic religion which never went through even a shred of enlightenment with the fastest growing population in the world, I'm afraid this doesn't end with conversations. We are brought up to respect other's beliefs, in the process, we lose the only way humanity survives : criticizing bad ideas.
[-]swacchreddit 6 points (1 children)
There is a reason why Europe, which undoubtedly at the pinnacle of freedom of human thought and liberty, has given way to fascist parties
No, it hasn't. They are losing everywhere. In some countries there are right wing governments but not far right.
[-]basildoge [score hidden]
People like to throw the word fascist from time to time. Mussolini or bust.
[-]MithaiPls 16 points (1 children)
Lets think to ourselves. Who are the regressives now?
Fun fact: Hindus USED to believe that crossing a ocean would make you lose your caste AKA be a Dalit. It is written in religious texts. So there used to be extensive purification rituals for Hindus who came after traveling the oceans. It was the RSS and other Sanghis from all parts of the country in the early 20th century who opposed that and said that such things are out of touch for the time period.
[-]azfun123 -3 points (1 children)
Who are the regressives now?
Muslim cleric oppose a concert next to a mosque.
Hindutva groups seek a ban on a concert organised in the city. If you open the link, one of it a part of Sangh Parivar.
[-]MithaiPls 15 points
You didn't even bother reading my other comment?
[-]sergiomomos 3 points
These chutiyas should be banned
[-]samacharbot2 2 points
The leaflets were distributed across Hojai and Nagaon districts in central Assam. The fatwa read that Nahid is scheduled to perform

  • Assam, Mar 15:Asmany as 46 Assam Muslim clerics have issued a fatwa against 16-year-oldNahid Afrin who sang songs against Islamic State terrorism and asked her to perform in public.
  • Police have started an investigation into the matter and whether the fatwa was a reaction to Nahid recently performing songs against terrorism, including the Islamic State terror group.
  • As per the reports, leaflets bearing the fatwa by the 46 clerics were distributed in Assam on Tuesday.
  • As per the reports, she broke down after hearing the news of the fatwa that was issued against her by the Muslim clerics.

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[-]metaltemujin 2 points
The fatwa was against Singing and not specifically against "Singing against terrorism".
That's a bad title right there. Sharia speaking against singing is still manageable than sharia speaking for terrorism.
[-]clanlord 2 points (1 children)
How can we stop this? where is uniform civil law?
[-]throwawayprenuer [score hidden]
You cant stop this. it's what people want.
[-]Dograge [score hidden]
"Singing is anti-Islam".
What a dreadfully boring ideology.
[-]vedicscientist 1 points
No wonder sanghis and hindu radicals are rising day by day,these islamic clerics are real chutyas...
[-]opinionConvention 1 points
Clerics should be mandated to have full time jobs and do their religious pursuits in their spare time. Hopefully they let people live.
[-]odiya_pua 1 points
Can't we amend Islamic constitution India to make "issuing fatwa" haram ? Like do whatever you want, but make sure fatwas are not issued.
[-]GoldPisseR [score hidden]
Do these hold any weight?Or its just an irrelevant old man barking down orders no one'll give a fuck about?
[-]immeditator [score hidden]
Then complain about Islamophobia
[-]A_WILD_CUNT_APPEARED 0 points
I mean I would also issue a fatwa cause how shit she sang.
[-]A_WILD_CUNT_APPEARED -3 points
I mean I would also issue a fatwa cause how shit she sang.
[-]azfun123 -6 points (3 children)
What's the obsession with Media and police linking everything Muslims do with terrorism and ISIS?
Other reports have said that fatwa was issued as the venue of her program was in the vicinity of a mosque and a graveyard.
“If anti-Sharia acts like musical nights are held on grounds surrounded by masjids, idgahs, madrassas and graveyards, our future generations will attract the wrath of Allah,” the fatwa read.
A musical night is organised in the vicinity of a mosque. Clerics issue fatwa calling it sinful to organise a musical night in the vicinity of a mosque. Then police and media link it to ISIS because once upon a time she sang a song against Islamic State.
Maybe a headline like "Muslims clerics issue fatwa calling a musical concert organised in the vicinity of a mosque is sinful" is not as outrageous as "Muslim clerics issue fatwa against 16-year-old for singing against ISIS".
Hindutva outfits seeking a ban on a concert organised in the same city as their's is not "terrorism". Only if Islamic cleric's call it sinful to organise concerts in the vicinity of mosques, it becomes linked to terrorism.
[-]MithaiPls 15 points - [removed] (1 children)
> Hindutva outfits seeking a ban on a concert
You're kidding me?
I'll not mention that you made a whataboutism, however ISIS != Hindutva. Hindtuvavadis doen't take sex slaves or throw gay men off buildings, etc...
[-]azfun123 1 points (1 children)
I'll not mention that you made a whataboutism, however ISIS != Hindutva
So Assamese Islamic Clerics = ISIS? No link to ISIS other than opposition to a concert organised next to a mosque. The fatwa clearly mentions that. It's just clear fabrication to mention ISIS to incite more outrage.
Hindtuvavadis don't take sex slaves or throw gay men off buildings, etc...
Sure. RSS founders like Golwalkar just wanted Manusmriti to be India's constitution. Now go and find out what's in Manusmriti.
[-]MithaiPls 11 points - [removed] (1 children)
FYI a lot of these are sylheti Bangladeshis.
Also we are talking about today. Stop switching topics. RSS and its stance is hardly pro manu smirti today.
[-]azfun123 1 points - [removed] (1 children)
I asked you a simple question of how these Muslims clerics calling a concert organised next to a mosque sinful, is different than Hindutva groups calling for a ban on concerts organised in the city.
How did these Assamese clerics become ISIS supporters? The fatwa clearly mentions the reason for it, is the concert being organised next to a mosque.
[-]MithaiPls 11 points - [removed] (1 children)
against the sharia
Isis follows sharia and girl sung against the violence. They pretty much were unhappy
[-]azfun123 2 points - [removed]
Seems like you have some reading comprehension issues. Let me link you a better article.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/tv/42-clerics-issue-fatwa-against-indian-idol-junior-singer-nahid-afrin/story-PrkK6p50Z07YsYPAtuQHgI.html
>According to reports, the fatwa has been issued against her keeping in view an upcoming event that was to be held on March 25. Since the venue of the event was in the vicinity of a mosque and a graveyard, the clerics have announced to boycott her singing programmes and have asked her to stop performing in public.
They were against singing and concert organised in the vicinity of the mosque.
If these guys are ISIS supporters according to you idiotic logic, then these Hindutva outfits are also ISIS supporters because they opposed the immoral singing and dancing. And anyone who opposes singing and dancing is an ISIS supporter.
[-]fsm_vs_cthulhu 9 points (3 children)
Allow me to trample all over your ridiculous argument.
First, you appear to not grasp the difference between the act of asking for a ban on a concert by keeping the focus on the event management/organizers, and ISSUING A FATWA AGAINST A KID WHO WAS PERFORMING. The fact that you think the two are even remotely comparable actions makes me wonder how far you'll go to defend shitty actions, just because a Muslim did them.
Secondly, you appear to not see any distinction between people in a community being concerned about a legitimate issue - rampant drug-use in and around concerts such as Sunburn, which they claim has led to deaths and is leading to real things like crime and rape - as compared to a bunch of bullies with inflated egos, the least amount of tolerance, and amazingly thin-skins, being offended and threatening a kid - all based off horseshit and imaginary crap like "Allah gets mad at singing", and "he'll smite us all because it's against the Sharia".
Let me explain further in case it's still not clear to you:
One is asking for a legitimate grievance/objection to be addressed and resolved by approaching the organizers and the courts, and holding a peaceful protest. This is following procedure and due-process. I'm sure there are bullies and zealots among this group too, because people are people... but they're not threatening the safety of anybody, and they're not targeting the performers. They also have a real, practical problem that actually exists. As much as we make fun of "kulcha-warriors", there is an actual drug-culture which is a real thing. I personally find it silly that people would try to ban music events at all, and I don't give a damn about things being against "Indian culture", but if people have a problem with it, they're welcome to follow due process and voice their concerns. After all, we do have to accommodate each other and not step on toes in a society. So that was one. I'll let you guess which one.
The other, is a bunch of 46 grown-ass men, telling a 16 year old kid that her skill and talent is going to invite the "wrath of Allah" and to not sing around them. It's them issuing a fatwa - a religious decree - using their "authority" in the community as a weapon, wielding their "religious law" of Sharia as a threat. And instead of approaching event organizers and the government, requesting the event to be relocated to a different venue, they chose to target and bully the performer instead? This wasn't a strip-club, or a drug-fueled concert like Sunburn, that would raise any reasonable ethical qualms among anybody else. This was literally a concert about peace, and showcasing talent. Not a night of drunken debauchery.
Look at this shit: “If anti-Sharia acts like musical nights are held on grounds surrounded by masjids, idgahs, madrassas and graveyards, our future generations will attract the wrath of Allah,”
EVERYWHERE is surrounded by masjids, idgahs, madrassas and graveyards, you bunch of cocks. What, is there a minimum safe-distance decreed in the Quran now? I could be on Antarctica and still say I was 'surrounded by all of it'. Meanwhile, these exact same asshats have zero concerns when their own azan is trumpeted through the various communites at all hours of the day and night, right? Anyone trying to claim "hearing these Islamic verses, day-in and day-out, is going to invite the wrath of MY GOD down on us all" is obviously an evil Islamophobe and Muslims are poor victims.
Perhaps you, and those 46 overgrown twats need to understand that you need to give respect to get respect. And if you can't follow due-process over a simple civil issue, then you don't deserve to live in a civilized society.
These blithering infants with inflated egos absolutely deserve to be painted black by the media, linked to ISIS and all kinds of click-baity, attention-grabbing shit, purely because of the fact that they targeted and threatened a kid. Name them and shame them. Drive them from their communities. Charge them with inciting violence.

And YOU. Azfun123.

Feel some fucking shame.

You should have been up there as the top comment on this post, BLASTING these turds, and standing up for this brave little girl who was singing for shunning religious violence and promoting peace. Instead, you're down here, simpering and whining about the injustice that the Muslims face, defending these bullies and trivializing their victim with this fantastic line - "because once upon a time she sang a song against Islamic State." At least she did. Your voice always rises to defend the indefensible, and is silent on what should be praised.
Since you're too much of a coward to say it, I will do it in your stead.

I'M PROUD OF MY BRAVE LITTLE MUSLIM SISTER WHO RAISED HER VOICE AGAINST RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE. May her voice carry loud and far into the night and reach billions of people. May she never give in to bullies and zealots, for she is the best that Islam has. May her courage never falter because of the threats of weak men.

[-]elder--wand 7 points (2 children)
Don't mind, he is a brainwashed idiot. He won't listen to anything, brainwashed people usually don't listen. There is nothing but condolences to offer to this miserably lost moron.
[-]fsm_vs_cthulhu 2 points (1 children)
Seeing his response, I think I'll take your advice. He really has nothing positive to say. Victim complex is strong with this one. It's like arguing with a friggin cabbage.
[-]azfun123 [score hidden] (1 children)
Good take his advice.
These blithering infants with inflated egos absolutely deserve to be painted black by the media, linked to ISIS and all kinds of click-baity, attention-grabbing shit, purely because of the fact that they targeted and threatened a kid. Name them and shame them. Drive them from their communities. Charge them with inciting violence.
And take your own advice. Sanghi/Modi supporters with their hate boners for Islam and Muslims masquerading as some progressives deserve that treatment. Same shits who incited hatred and gave death and rape threats against Gurmehar and trolled her, now get riled up because some clerics called singing "un-Islamic" and called for a boycott of her show. Which of course is much better than the Sanghi's who actually threatened and beat up kids.
Go fool someone else when you write idiotically long posts defending Modi and call RSS a peace organisation.
Edit: I replied to your other lies.
[-]fsm_vs_cthulhu [score hidden]
Yeah um... you do realize that I've been pretty vocal about my opposition to most of the backward shit you've accused my of supporting, right?
Which is making you look like a total moron. Hell, I pointed out that there may have been bigots and zealots in the Sunburn issue right there in that comment.
And throughout your furious, foaming defense, you failed to address one simple point. If they had a problem with any activity, why did they not target the fucking organizers? They clearly have no problem with those people. It's HER they issued a fatwa against.
Go back to defending people making threats against kids. And yeah, it's a fucking threat. Police said Nahid and her family would be provided security cover. I fuckin wonder why. Perhaps because there's a possibility that someone under the influence of these bigots might take a fatwa to be an invitation to "defend the Sharia" and that a kid needs to be made 4kgs lighter.
And with the number of times you've repeated it, you really have a problem with long posts. Learn to fucking read, or go to 9gag or some shit.
There are violent people everywhere. In every organization. The problem is that there are always people like you who run to defend them. I don't deny the Godhra riots happened. I think all the people who were involved in the violence were fucking animals. I hate this idea of criminalizing beef because it's stupid as fuck. I've said most of these things in the past and I'll say them again. I spoke vehemently against assholes making rape threats, even as I said I disagreed with Gurmehar in one of my "long posts". You're just an illiterate shitheel that doesn't understand nuance.
Go on. Defend these pieces of shit some more. I doubt I would be able to find people who would have a problem if all Muslims were like Nahid. It's pieces of shit like your 46 homeboys and you, their grand defender, that make people hate Islam.
[-]azfun123 [score hidden]
Don't mind, he is a brainwashed idiot.
Yeah. I was the one who actually read the article. You were the one who wrote nonsense unrelated to the article. Then apologised for it.
The top comments here are,
1) Assam immigration - What does it have to do with this? Nowhere does it say that these guys were illegal.
2) Them being ISIS terrorist - You wrote that comment.
3) The usual "Religion of Peace" etc. You will never see comments like "Religion of tolerance" etc when VHP, RSS or other Hindutva outfits do anything.
4) One more insinuating that these guys are secret ISIS sympathisers. Even after being called out.
Carry on with your nonsense. I have been on Reddit for 2+ years. I have seen these kinds of threads every now and then. After being called out, people usually resort to calling morons and brainwashed idiots.
[-]ryder098 [score hidden]
Awesome man.
That's the spirit we need among Indians.
[-]azfun123 -3 points
Allow me to trample all over your ridiculous argument.
Like you trampled all the other arguments previously? You write idiotic long rants and then think you trample all the ridiculous arguments.
You seem pretty brainwashed. You seem to write long rants which have no relation to anything at hand. A Modi supporter teaching others about "Freedom of Speech" and ethics. Funny when Modi government explicitly targetted police officers who did their jobs and prevented riots. The same Modi who brought in stricter laws in Gujarat against those who transport beef. So much for "RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE".
First, you appear to not grasp the difference between the act of asking for a ban on a concert by keeping the focus on the event management/organizers, and ISSUING A FATWA AGAINST A KID WHO WAS PERFORMING. The fact that you think the two are even remotely comparable actions makes me wonder how far you'll go to defend shitty actions, just because a Muslim did them.
I don't see any difference. Sunburn was opposed by Hindutva outfits because it promotes obscenity and vulgarity and is against Indian culture.
Sarita Ambike of Durga Vahini, the VHP’s women’s wing, added, “Youngsters can be seen dancing in an obscene manner to electronic music. Events like Sunburn or rave parties organised for New Year’s Eve and Christmas offering drugs, smoking and dance are a direct attack on Hindu culture. They are ruining the lives of youngsters across the country. We will not allow them to attack our culture, religion, society and nation.”
Sushma Deshpande, renowned play director and activist said, “It is meaningless to oppose any art form citing reasons like an attack on culture. If artistes cannot perform as per Hindu culture then should they not perform or present their art at all? What kind of democracy do we live in if we cannot do what we feel.”
They directly said Sunburn is an attack on Indian culture and religion. You can invent drug stuff etc, but that doesn't change the main point.
Now coming to a religious fatwa. First of all, educate yourself about what a fatwa is. It's a religious opinion. Now if someone asks is singing and dancing allowed - The clerics will reply back saying it's sinful. That's a fatwa. They didn't threaten violence against her or anything. I don't see where you got the violence and threatening part from?
The program wasn't even cancelled. From the article.
“The organisers of the musical night told us that the programme on March 25 will not be cancelled.”
Writing a long ranting is not "trampling your arguments".
Feel some fucking shame.
Only hypocrites should feel shame.
If people say eating beef and calling for a boycott on festivals which organise beef eating is not violent or anything. I have no problem with them.
On the other hand, the guys who bring in laws and actually beat up people are violent and should be locked up. The guy who you support so much, the Gujarat CM Narendra Modi, brought in a law which had 7 years imprisonment for just transporting beef in 2011.
I'M PROUD OF MY BRAVE LITTLE MUSLIM SISTER WHO RAISED HER VOICE AGAINST RELIGIOUS VIOLENCE.
So proud. Writes long comments supporting the guy who made new laws punishment transporting beef with 7 years imprisonment and punished officers who prevented riots and saved Muslims.
Go write one more long rant replying to this comment. It's doesn't matter.
[-]-crossword- 7 points (1 children)
Anyone who thinks that Hindus are as extreme or intolerant as Muslims are, is just plain deluded.
[-]azfun123 -2 points
In India, Hindutva extremists have a far greater share of intolerance than Islamic extremists. This blind aping of western nationalists who allege that Islamic extremism is a greater problem than Christian extremism doesn't apply in India. Caste violence, beef violence, violence against rationalists, riots etc all committed by Hindutva extremists. Hindutva extremists like RSS control the government now and impose things like life imprisonment for anyone transporting beef etc.
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