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Weirdness going down at BeautyGuruChat... (self.muacjdiscussion)

swerfherder が 投稿

I know there's a huge overlap between subs here and BGC so I'm sure many people have noted the weirdness of the past couple days.

One founder of the sub, u/unicornsprancing, posted this about how to improve the sub's culture. She deleted her account soon after.

Another founder, u/omg_cupcakes, was abruptly removed from the mod team with zero discussion as she speaks about here.

u/persistentcat, one of the controversial top mods, deleted their account and went on a comment deleting spree after the mod team took heat for keeping up an extraordinarily abusive post about Jaclyn Hill (in which she was accused of faking her anxiety disorder).

New mods were chosen with no input from the sub at all. At least one also mods r/TwoXChromosomes, which has become an notorious anti-woman hate ground due to it becoming a default.

Obviously this is just internet silliness but what do you guys think happened? Was there a hostile takeover with the sub's founders forced out? What's going on over in BGC land?

EDIT: The sub has been made private.

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[–]morganjaine 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (12子コメント)

It seems like the new mods were basically chosen by being the first ones to message /u/unicornsprancing and ask. I'm assuming that's how the last mod was added, since they don't seem to actually be active on Reddit outside of modding subs. Seems like a poor choice, but whatever.

[–]swerfherder[S] 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It is definitely a poor choice. The community should have had input. I am especially wary of a mod for TwoX modding BGC. TwoX has become a misogynistic dumpster fire under their watch, I don't see the sub's culture improving under them.

[–]So_Schilly 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (5子コメント)

What happened with TwoX really bums me out. They should never have made it a default sub. Or removed it from the default sub list when it became clear it was basically becoming a "but what about the men???!!" trash pit.

[–]allamacalledcarl [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TwoX, where men go to tell women all the reasons why they hate them.

[–]swerfherder[S] 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (3子コメント)

TrollX is where it's at

[–]koalag [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

TrollX used to be amazing. Now it's just posters humblebragging about how #feminist their boyfriends are with barely relevant accompanying gifs.

[–]Cat_Toucher [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

TrollX is awesome, and I love that it's a haven for women, but I also worry that the dumpster fire that is TwoX is going to start spilling over into it if people see it as an interchangeable alternative to TwoX.

[–]ikijibiki [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I like trollx, but I can see that there's a definite set of approved beliefs in the community on an implicit level and those views are encouraged to the point where I think it can sometimes discourage other opinions from being shared.

[–]-izzle 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Back when the sub was new, there were constantly self promo links and spam posted, and the sub really needed active mods. Basically anyone who was up for the task were added.

[–]swerfherder[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was talking about the newest mods, not the ones made when the sub was new.

[–]-izzle 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, I know, I was a bit unclear but I was just pointing out how unicornsprancing was just doing business as usual. The very first mods of BGC were added because they were the first best candidates, and it seems that was the case again when choosing the newest mods as well.

[–]ButtonsAndSoup 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I messaged her to ask about modding when this all went down, and she said they would be taking applications in a few days where things calmed down, and she would let me know when they did. At this point, only anxious Kate had been added as a mod, noone else. All the new mods came the next day or late that night I believe? Just some more info to help figure this out.

[–]lynxnlokiCool yellow | Very dry [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

I'm thinking of starting a new sub - thinking r/BeautyGuruDiscussion. Would like a more discussion-based sub, like this one but focused on beauty gurus.

Is this a decent idea or no? Anyone in to help?

[–]KukiMunstr [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I don't mind. Will you enforce the "respect the BG's privacy rule"? I just don't like when people post private info that hasn't been made public yet. I like to respect their private life and I don't like when people inquire about their families.

[–]alwayseurydiceYeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think this would be a good rule, along side with avoiding doxxing of any kind. Unless it's purposely communicated, private information should never be shared. For example, some people purposely targeting fans or trying to figure out where ThriftThick lives -very unnecessary and does not promote any discussion.

[–]I-dont-know-how-this [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Someone created /r/BeautyGuruChatter for this reason

[–]-izzle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Honestly I was also thinking this. /r/BeautyGuruDiscussion would be a purely content discussion subreddit, while something like, say /r/BeautyGuruDrama would be purely a drama related subreddit. Mostly to steer the drama away from /r/BeautyGuruDiscussion. You should create the sub.

[–]swerfherder[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'd sub!

[–]alwayseurydiceYeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Yes and would help so long as there were clear and established guidelines

[–]myinvinciblefriend [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'd be up for that!

[–]babebrains [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Go for it!

[–]whitealchemy [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'd sub!!!

[–]blueaugustsuns 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Can anyone else not get into the sub?

[–]AyRayKay 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I can't either!! I don't know what's going on. I'm on mobile so I can't see if it's private/I'm banned (unlikely as I rarely participated)

[–]ButtonsAndSoup 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

On mobile and its saying private. Dude WTF is happening.

Also I have a notification I can't read and I bet it's from that thread and it's driving me nuts lol

[–]AyRayKay 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've never witnessed this much drama in real time omg. I'm working out right now (just on a stationary bike not like lifting weight haha) and normally I watch tv but I'm glued to my phone stalking Reddit accounts and subreddits and posts.

[–]ButtonsAndSoup 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm at work and I really need to focus ahahaha I might have to take my lunch break early to follow this shit is cray!

[–]neensnbeans [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not on mobile right now and it still says that. "You must be invited to visit this community" I'm not a super active poster or anything like that but I did really enjoy some of the things on that sub. I guess I can't anymore?

[–]scarletcheeked 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So weird. I guess the Butter Mod made it private after someone asked why the founder and another mod were removed.

[–]squeegee-beckenheim 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wait, my latest comments disappeared, too. Did they scrub the whole sub or wtf is happening? It wasn't anything offensive, I was talking to someone else about some compacts from Too Faced so it's not like they deleted it because it was "controversial".

[–]squeegee-beckenheim 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't either, it says it's private and only mods and "approved submitters" have access, whatever that means. I'm on my laptop, for the record, so it's not a mobile thing.

[–]swerfherder[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yup! Just tried! Holy shit did I cause this?? Lmao

[–]ariehna plop dump tour de force 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

ARE YOU FUCKING SORRY??

seriously though, this is surreal.

[–]swerfherder[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes because I was in the middle of reading a thread from there wtf

[–]yunith 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I am active on BGC and a lot of people in the community were disheartened with the direction of the sub. Initially it was created as a place to discuss beauty gurus, but when we talk about people, personalities will come to play as well, and to me, this is where a lot of the problems lay. It hurts to say that a lot of the criticisms of BGC are true, that certain threads/posts about certain MUAs were getting out of hand. For example, IMO its fine to vent about how long its taking Jaclyn Hill to produce her Morphe collab, but it's not ok to internet diagnose her with mental problems. Cassie probably gets it the worst though, there are definitely threads that don't explicitly talk shit about her weight, but its pretty obvious when people complain about how gross mukbangs are.

The sub needs a lot of moderation, because when we discuss people, it can quickly go from reasonable criticism to straight out hate threads where people gleefully shit on someone. There is a line though, and we need a lot of common sense mods to help out.

I still really like the sub and have no plans of fleeing because it can be a cool place to learn about new beauty gurus.

[–]swerfherder[S] 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think it's very telling and sad that unicornsprancing deleted after making her post, especially since she seemed receptive to improving the sub and putting it back on the right track as you said. I definitely think it has something to do with the fact that most of the comments asked for the removal of a certain mod.

[–]peanutmonkey 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which mod? I saw the initial post, but there weren't very many comments on it at the time.

[–]yunith 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I briefly read that post (I sorta try to stay out of the intense drama) and I think where unicornsprancing went really wrong is she, or someone defending her, said that she and the other mod that deleted their account were being bullied, much like how the BGC bullies certain MUAs. That didn't go over well with the community.

[–]whitealchemy 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Re: Cassie's weight, this is also how I feel about the latent racism in the sub. There was a post awhile back that was about an (admittedly not great) Buzzfeed video wherein WOC tried to find foundation matches at the drugstore. One comment said something along the lines of, "I could tell [this girl who happened to be a larger black girl with a punk aesthetic] was going to be angry/unhappy just from the looks of her." I'm paraphrasing, and maybe I was being sensitive, but to me there is often a degree of thinly veiled criticism based on weight/race/appearance.

[–]cassandrawasright 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I felt the same about the comments about that video. They were judging her from the start. And, yeah, maybe the girl did have a shitty attitude from the beginning but probably because she knows there's fuckall in shade range at the drugstore.

[–]themusicliveson 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm so tired of the Cassie threads. There are genuine issues with her but it feels like every thread turns into a criticism about her weight, her life and how "sloppy" she is. There's a lot of talk about how rude and defensive she is on social media but honestly, who wouldn't be defensive when there are communities of people who nitpick everything you do while speculating about what mental issues you have. Yet people frame that as "she hates constructive criticism and refuses to improve!" instead of the reality that they're taking it way too far.

[–]ariehna plop dump tour de force 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a lot of talk about how rude and defensive she is on social media but honestly, who wouldn't be defensive when there are communities of people who nitpick everything you do

That's the hard line for me. It's literally how bullying plays out, y'know? Picking on someone relentlessly and then blaming them for their reaction, sometimes with a side-order of "I thought what people used to say was unfair and over-the-line but now she's lashing out like this I see their point!".

[–]youngandstarving 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I unsubscribed from that sub after the 30 minute video about her, and I haven't missed it. That took it way too far for me.

[–]DandelionsDandelions 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And it was championed by users of the sub as "CC."

[–]mysticmoonbeam 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I should have done the same. That video was so incredibly gross. I personally don't understand how a sub that has an anti-bullying rule didn't delete that video. It clearly crossed a line in my opinion.

[–]melmuz [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

If the focus had been on any of the gurus they like (Desi, Kathleen, Thatalya) it would have been removed in .3 seconds. Buttercup and PersistentCat detest Cassie so of course they were okay with it.

[–]mysticmoonbeam [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Exactly. What's really sad is I'm pretty sure the user who created the video knew that, they were active on that sub and the video was basically a rehash of every horrible thing that was said about Cassie on BGC. I'm like 99% sure that the video creator made it with the sole purpose of gaining views from the subreddit. This behaviour shouldn't have been tolerated... I'm genuinely surprised there weren't copycats from other users.

[–]swerfherder[S] 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (8子コメント)

The sub is now private and the former top mod, u/stumblepretty, has been demoted leaving buttercupmakeup as top mod.

This is some Praetorian Guard shit y'all

[–]evilchefwariobatali 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wait, this must be a fucking joke. The only mod left that needed to be kicked from the team is now in charge of that sub?!! WOW. Time for a new BGC imo

[–]swerfherder[S] 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm shocked at how deftly she maneuvered herself to the top. Like damn.

Buttercup is the Cersei of Reddit.

[–]neesersaurus 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This escalated so quickly wtf

[–]kcasp 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

WTF is even going on right now. I can't even keep up with it anymore!

[–]PM_ME_UR_NEOPETS [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Same here! I was only away from Reddit for an hour and I came back to this dumpster fire 😦

[–]indyrenegadegive me the trooper liner and no one gets hurt 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Went outside for a min, came back and refreshed the page and it was gone. It's probably for the best right now.

[–]foirily 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never frequented BGC so I don't have much to say on this, but seeing shit hit the fan like this makes me grateful for how amazing our muacjd mods are.

I hope after this debacle is all said and done that the BGC members get a more solid team to run things so that they can enjoy their sub moving forward.

[–]niccig 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I was really excited when BGC was created because I was hoping I could lurk around and get a better idea of what kind of content people like, what they're tired of, CC on production quality, etc. And it started off that way but turned into a reality-tv-esque gossip forum pretty quickly. I feel like it's split into two groups of people that want it to go one direction or the other, and clearly they're starting to clash.

[–]solarcompany 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I liked old BGC a whole lot better. The only content then even vaguely related to the whole drama/gossip thing now was an occasional (I want to say maybe once a month tops?) post about Jaclyn? Idk, it's kind of frustrating seeing how much it's changed, especially with users in the unicorn feeback thread saying that they don't think it's toxic to say that a guru should just take a shower, etc.

I really hope that under the new moderation it goes back to being more about the cool beauty content out there and the people who create it, rather than just non stop gossip.

[–]-izzle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The old BGC was just the same but at a slower pace. Also, none of the beauty guru drama/gossip channels existed even a year ago, and the creation of those have definitely affected the content posted to BGC. The biggest difference between BGC and places like GuruGossiper back then was that speculation and hate threads were downvoted and ignored on BGC, while now they get lots of traction.

[–]swerfherder[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I started lurking there too back when it was way better. The regression into GG/YTT lite has been extremely swift.

[–]whitealchemy 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And yet everytime anyone critiques the sub, someone has to pipe up with, "we're not nearly as bad as GG/YTT." I beg to fucking differ.

[–]yunith 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hate is a powerful aggregator.

[–]swerfherder[S] 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Since the sub is private fuck it, I'm gonna spill more tea.

Buttercupmakeup, who's now the top mod at the sub after engineering a coup that would make the CIA jealous, is a beauty guru of sorts herself. She has her own YouTube channel under her username, which she has not bothered to promote or disclose. Her videos have been posted on BGC, though not by her.

Really telling as to why she deletes positive comments about gurus she dislikes, especially since those BGs actually tend to be, ya know, successful.

I'm not going to link her channel but you can find it easily by searching her name in YouTube.

Edit: Butters did promote her channel, I was wrong about that.

[–]lynxnlokiCool yellow | Very dry 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

She actually did promote it, it was even her flair for a long while. People in BGCCJ kept it quiet just out of politeness, as she hasn't advertised it in a while. But it is public info.

And she's suspected to have about 4 alts, some of which likely submitted those videos.

[–]swerfherder[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Oop guess I missed that, I'll edit so I'm not spreading misinformation

[–]KukiMunstr 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Really telling as to why she deletes positive comments about gurus she dislikes, especially since those BGs actually tend to be, ya know, successful.

Ｓｃｒｅｅｃｈ．

Say what?

[–]swerfherder[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Buttercup regularly deletes positive comments about Jaclyn Hill, Jeffree Star and others I don't remember right now. Jeffree is a turd but I really think it's out of jealousy for their success, while she hasn't achieved it.

I think it's disingenuous for a mod at that sub to have their own channel.

[–]-izzle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I think it's disingenuous for a mod at that sub to have their own channel.

Well.. yeah. I'm just surprised that people think that it affects her modding. Imho her channel is tiny and I doubt even she thinks it competes with any other channel that is mentioned on BGC. Basically, I haven't taken her channel as a serious attempt at becoming an established beauty guru.

[–]lynxnlokiCool yellow | Very dry [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I think it might have been the thread I created - the Mod Discussion: why was a cofounder removed from moderating without any notification? (Or something like that - I can't see it now and can't remember exactly what I titled it).

It pisses me off that we can't even have an honest discussion about our community. They didn't want anyone talking about what's happening, as if we're all supposed to ignore what's happening. Or maybe they just expect us to be stupid enough to not see it (I mean, that did work for a long while, and there are still a ton of people who haven't come across al the receipts and info yet). This mod coup is crazy. Moderators should always be open and welcoming to community input, first and foremost.

[–]mysticmoonbeam [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I might be biased because I was participating in the conversation, but I didn't think the thread was that bad. I think if one of the mods wrote something along the lines of "we'll get back to you when we've sorted this out" while they discussed things privately, the thread would have slowed down. The problem with the sub is there's no communication between the mods and the community, and the mods don't seem to have any leadership skills. It's really frustrating that instead of being open and learning a lesson from the PersistantCat debacle they decided to close off all communication.

[–]swerfherder[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Damn girl. Good on you for making that post!

Exactly. She can't be acting like a tyrant. Community input is everything. It's nuts that she's dissuading conversation about something so important. People have the right to know why the founders were ousted.

[–]DT_JDI 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I went to check it out as I am a subscriber and suddenly the sub has gone private. I wonder what's happening over there.

[–]DandelionsDandelions 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Can anyone who isn't in BGCCJ access the sub right now? It appears no on that sub can't access BGC right now, there's a couple of threads about it up as well.

[–]queenelliott 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i don't think it's just bgccj. i'm not subscribed to bgc or bgccj, but it appears that the private setting is universal.

edit: there are some comments on bgccj that say they weren't subscribed to bgccj when they noticed bgc became private, fwiw.

[–]ButtonsAndSoup 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think it was a mass ban but it would be good to get some solid info

[–]swerfherder[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm subbed there and I can't get in, someone who isn't subbed should try

[–]ButtonsAndSoup 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I had my friend try and she can't get in, but she also wasn't subbed there to begin with.

[–]dustypink 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Subbed & says I can't access it lmao idk if it's a ban cause I've never been banned here.

[–]neesersaurus 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Update: the sub seems to have gone private? I still have it in my sub list but this is what I get when I try to view it.

[–]audjmess 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Seems they have updated the message shown to " We will be back soon. Please do not modmail us". Sorry had to take a pic of my computer, so it's shit quality.

http://imgur.com/JEhvFSu

[–]neesersaurus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hmmm guess we'll just have to wait and see what unfolds next.

[–]audjmess 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep! Curious as to how long it'll take for them to sort their shit out.

[–]riobh 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah just tried to access it there and it's private. Super weird… I do know of alternative subs like /r/BGCCJDiscussion , may be time to go over there?

[–]swerfherder[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Same. Wtf, Butters?

[–]irissteensma 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not in my subscription list any more and the post I made this morning about Lauren Curtis is gone. Butter is going to have fun talking to herself all day.

[–]foxstiel 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm getting the same thing when I try to visit?

[–]indyrenegadegive me the trooper liner and no one gets hurt 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Glad I ducked out a few weeks ago when I finally woke up and smelled the toxicity. Had a feeling the bubble was about to burst in that subreddit.

And, they'll still swear up and down that they're not as bad/toxic as GG.

[–]swerfherder[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Them praising that awful Cassie critique video forever disproves this.

[–]MoribundCow [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

What was the video, I haven't been on there for a while

[–]PM_ME_UR_NEOPETS [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

That 45 minute video was so goddamn weird. Who has that amount of time to make that long of a video on someone who doesn't affect their life in any way? The chick who made the video said she was bored on winter break with no homework to do, but come on.

[–]indyrenegadegive me the trooper liner and no one gets hurt 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Literally went outside for a minute and came back in; BGC appears locked down.

[–]RoseSelkie 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wasn't u/seaweed added as a mod?

[–]onomatopiper 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I just went to Butters' YT channel and she even has the comments there set to approval only. Girl can't take any real constructive criticism.

edit: clarity/wording

[–]I_dont_mind_KimK [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

And yet BGs are all subject to all kinds of criticism on BGC no matter what 🤔

[–]rpetrarca [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

ya, but it's "constructive" criticism! /s

[–]I_dont_mind_KimK [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

OMG SO HELPFUL AND CONSRUCTIVE TO TELL BGs HOW UGLY AND LAZY THEY ARE

[–]melmuz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

"If they don't have thick skin they shouldn't be on YouTube!!" - Almost every everyone in BGC.

[–]kristal010[🍰] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm honestly beyond tired with these antics. Can someone just start a new sub already?

[–]wednesdaythesky [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm a little sad. Unicorns' post reminded me of why I was excited for that sub. In between the drama and the meta drama, in between dumb racist shit and hating gurus for being "privileged white bitches", in between weird undercurrent of homophobia and weird mod bias, there were great discussions.

[–]irissteensma 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I've always liked PCat's posts here (probably because we're the same-ish age) but I don't know WTF happened with this modding business. She never struck me as one who would go off the rails.

I'm guessing that an alternative sub will spring up soon.

[–]swerfherder[S] 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Idk, persistentcat's modding was pretty toxic.

[–]P_Grammicus 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She was more than capable of producing good comments and content in certain groups, but I don't think modding brought out the best in her.

[–]mysticmoonbeam 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the general consensus is she was a entertaining commenter but a bad mod. She deleted things she didn't agree with (not because they broke the rules), broke the rules of her own sub and was pretty rude to anyone who called her out on it - even when it was done politely.

[–]Bye--Felicia 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone set up /r/beautyguruchatter a little while back, maybe that one will take its place

[–]I-dont-know-how-this [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

FYI: /u/Snarktastic_ created /r/BeautyGuruChatter as a replacement.

[–]thandirosa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

This whole shebang deserves a spot in subredditdrama.

[–]satansbroad 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was wondering what happened! Went to go check and it appears to have gone private 😭

[–]Cat_Toucher 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Your link to unicornsprancing's post has been taken down, did you screenshot it by any chance? I'm definitely curious about what happened, but I couldn't find any reference to it in srd or anything yet.

[–]-izzle 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It has not been taken down, the link is broken. /u/swerfherder you should fix it.

https://np.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChat/comments/5z0om9/what_i_created_this_sub_for/

[–]swerfherder[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry, it was working for me. Will fix.

[–]swerfherder[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Here it is...odd, I did make it a no participation link.

https://imgur.com/a/k6ETb

[–]P_Grammicus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a level-headed and reasonable post.

[–]-izzle 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

What I really don't understand is the enormous backlash against ButterCupMakeUp. Everyone is going on and on about her having acted wrongly, but nobody is giving a single one example? Do you know why everyone is so angry at her?

[–]swerfherder[S] 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ugh I know this reply is probably going to summon her delusional ass but here goes:

-buttercup and until recently, persistentcat, would delete comments that supported gurus they didn't like, such as Jaclyn Hill.

-meanwhile, the most toxic, racist, homophobic comments stay up.

-posts and comments would get deleted without explanation. This is just poor modding, nothing nefarious, but sowed discontent in the sub.

-she deletes comments and then lies about having ever said them.

-she and again, until recently, persistentcat, are militant against any mention of BGCCirclejerk. Any comment mentioning the sub is deleted, which is a ridiculous way to handle a circlejerk sub.

-it hasn't been confirmed but it's highly suspected buttercup has made alts to defend herself in threads about her as well as downvote anyone who disagrees with her.

Now for some receipts:

Subreddit drama thread featuring an Imgur album of abusive rule breaking comments butters and PC did not deign to delete due to them being about a gay male guru This thread also features buttercup telling blatant lies.

Thread from BGCCirclejerk outlining everything more eloquently, plus more links

Another BGCCirclejerk thread which shows more complaints that I missed here

[–]evilchefwariobatali 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

but nobody is giving a single one example?

lol probably because Buttercup keeps deleting them. I've seen probably 7 different paragraphs explaining what she's done wrong in detail.

[–]indyrenegadegive me the trooper liner and no one gets hurt 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Swerfie's receipts check out. People are angry at Butters because she always has to have the last word in discussions, as well as picking and choosing when to enforce rules. Her and PC will defend shitty comments that are against the rules by saying "It's just an opinion you guyyyysss!" while also deleting comments that didn't break the rules, period. Or deleting any mention of r/BGCCircleJerk even though it is not in the rules not to mention the sub's existence.

[–]-izzle 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep they do check out. I was asking out of pure curiosity and honest ignorance.

[–]itsonlydrizzling 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Did the sub just get deleted????

[–]swerfherder[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it went private...

[–]itsonlydrizzling 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh that makes more sense :) I was really confused because I could still see it in my subscription list. Thank you!!

[–]izzythalizzy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

As I said earlier this belongs in r/subredditdrama. I dont have that much more to say really. I feel bad that it got to this because it could be handled better than it has been by the mods. Just wow really. So much drama.

[–]swerfherder[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

There needs to be a post there! Someone else should make one though, I now have to start doing productive things today lol

[–]ButtonsAndSoup [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm surprised there isn't one already, but I don't think you can make one if you've participated in the drama, which I have, haha.

[–]soupandsandwiches 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

That Jaclyn post seemed to be the tipping point for a lot of people. It got deleted before I saw how it ended, but last I saw, most people were having a delicate conversation about the difference between having an anxiety disorder (which I don't think counts as speculation or armchair diagnosis, since Jaclyn has publicly disclosed that) and being dishonest as a separate issue. It was a little tense but from what I saw, people were just talking it through and trying to figure out where they stood on those distinctions. I wish the post has just been locked but left up because it looks like a lot happened in the aftermath but no one really knows the details.

[–]swerfherder[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I briefly saw that thread and thought it was out of line in many ways. I don't like Jaclyn too much, she's too peppy for me, but to be so dismissive of someone's mental health is so fucking wrong.

I agree it should've been left up though. If only as a reminder for the sub on how NOT to act.

[–]soupandsandwiches 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, I had an IRL that night so I couldn't follow the thread, but it wasn't bad before I left and I really have no clue what went down later on. The last I saw was people mostly saying stuff like, "I understand that anxiety is a real disorder, but I don't feel that it justifies saying you've pre-filmed three videos what you just haven't done that." There's room to talk respectfully about both sides of that opinion, and when I left for the night it seemed like people were mostly staying in line and being careful with their language.

I'm repeating what I remember of the post because it seems like people are genuinely curious. I'm not interested in rehashing the debate itself.

[–]melmuz 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm not sure what part of the threads you're referring to, but everything I read was terrible - right down to the thread subject itself. It was created because Jaclyn said on Snap she struggles to relax and OP claimed that all Jaclyn does is lie in bed all day. As usual, everyone compared her anxious behavior to that of their queen, KathleenLights (because there's only one way to behave when you're anxious). Mod PersistentCat said could cure her anxiety "if she got out of her own head". The whole thing was cancerous.

[–]soupandsandwiches [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I guess I didn't see those parts before I went out for the day. I'm not doubting that those sorts of comments ended up flooding the post.

[–]unicornkiss [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

A lot of subs move into the danger zone when there's a glut of meta posts. While it might be annoying to read a bunch of bitchy posts, it's equally annoying to read a bunch of posts about how bitchy/toxic the sub has gotten. Rehashing the same, often lame and not well-supported argument, becomes such a slog as a participant. It's a big reason that I left /r/mua several years ago, because it just became so repetitive.

I myself don't mind a little critical analysis of beauty gurus, based on their actions and not their physical looks.

[–]swerfherder[S] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

You make a good point. Lord knows the "MUA is so catty towards newbies!" posts get old. And I think being critical of gurus should definitely be allowed. But the sub had problems going far past criticism.

-trying to dox Dani Mansutti.

-rampant homophobia and racism.

-attacking Jaclyn Hill for not presenting her anxiety in an acceptable way.

-attacking Cassie for her weight and trichotillomania.

-endless armchair diagnoses.

And more.

[–]-izzle [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

-attacking Cassie for her weight and trichotillomania.

for anyone reading, this is just the tip of the iceberg. The amount of negativity Cassie (ThriftThick) gets on BGC, her YT comments as well as her Twitter is just on a whole other level.

[–]ButtonsAndSoup [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Just a little note: Cassie has dermatillomania, not trichotillomania! :)

[–]unicornkiss [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Which is why mods should just delete comments that cross a line. Those comments tend to be, on the whole, representative of less than 10% of all discussion. But when people keep pointing it out, it makes it seem like a bigger deal than it actually is.

Ban the repeat offenders, move on.

[–]funeralparties [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

but the mods weren't doing that. that was the problem.

[–]melmuz [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But that's why it's been continuously rehashed. Two of the mods actively participated in the bullying and straight up removed comments in defense of Gurus they didn't like (i.e; Cassie and Jaclyn). Nothing can be done about the repeat offenders if the mods are encouraging their behavior.