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A mobile DM needed? (self.reddevils)

Fm661Martial が 投稿

After this season seeing how effective an energetic DM can be in allowing other players to flourish should this be the type of player we go for to get the most from pogba and the rest of the team? If so what does everyone think of Idrissa Gueye?

I know we have other areas we want to improve but DM needs improvement imo.

I know the argument is that we need to be more clinical, score more rather than concede less but I feel like that is something a player like that could allow us to do. We would be able to commit more men forward without fear of a counter with a mobile DM.

There are perhaps a few arguments that it isn't the right player such as we lose a lot of height, maybe he isn't the best option...

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[–]jp-dizzleDeutscher Fußballmeister 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I would pay anything for Kante - he is literally ridiculous.

He cannot be human.

[–]AC5L4T3R 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I dont know why we didnt when he was at Leicester.

[–]jp-dizzleDeutscher Fußballmeister 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We tried to sign him but he chose Chelsea.

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    [–]AC5L4T3R 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well neither United or Chelsea had that.

    [–]Fm661Martial[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He did, but Chelsea didn't have CL they just paid more. He was gone from Leicester anyway just a case of where.

    [–]targeryianJones 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Unpopular opinion but our midfield is our weakest point still (This isn't reactionary I've been saying it for a while). Pogba has hit a bad patch recently and has been poor in the majority of big games, Herrera leaves me on the edge of the seat a lot especially when he back talks to the ref on a yellow. Carrick as good as he's been, let's face it is coming to the end of his career.

    After spending nearly 170m in the past 2/3 seasons we still don't have a solid midfield. That's ridiculous. Look at the top midfielders that have been sold in that time Kroos, Thiago, Strootman, Kante, Vidal, Pjanic etc.. We could of easily had 2 or 3 out of that list.

    Personally I'd forget Griezmann and focus on fixing that midfield long term because that's actually crazy that after so long our midfield is only slightly better than average.

    [–]Fm661Martial[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    This is the thing, I think Pogba will excel with top quality around him. He has had a few bad games but he has also had good periods where he bossed it. I think he has been the best CM this season with the exception of Kante who I think is different position but that's semantics. Herrera as much as I love him and his passion for the club I don't think he is starter quality if we want to win the CL. Carrick is being phased out but can still play a squad role.

    The thing is at the time of those sales we were nothing like we are now. Most of those we went for and they chose a better option for their careers. Like the position we were in we couldn't attract those sort of players, now we can again so we are on the right track.

    It's not necessarily Griez who would be the best option for us, just need a player of game changer quality... perhaps Sanchez would be a good option if we could pick him up?

    [–]targeryianJones 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The thing is at the time of those sales we were nothing like we are now. Most of those we went for and they chose a better option for their careers. Like the position we were in we couldn't attract those sort of players, now we can again so we are on the right track.

    That's my problem they didn't always. Thiago was completely realistic at the time but Moyes pissed around too much. Vidal was the same, LVG wasn't sure about his knee injury IIRC and Strootman around the time of we were looking at buying him, he got injured. We probably could of signed Pjanic as well the season before instead of Schneiderlin or Schweinsteiger but that's all in hindsight.

    It's not necessarily Griez who would be the best option for us, just need a player of game changer quality... perhaps Sanchez would be a good option if we could pick him up?

    I really don't know anymore - I just want us to sign a goal scoring winger otherwise I think the rest of our players need to start adding more goals to their game especially the wingers but I think if we had a better midfield that would come because we'd create more clear cut chances.

    [–]unitedlover69 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I think we need more of a defensive anchor man than a mobile midfielder since carrick is retiring and all. Herrera is the aggressive ball winning type, we need someone who sits in front of the back 4, sweeping up second balls, knock downs, prevent counter attacks etc

    [–]Fm661Martial[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This is the thing, I think if we bought a mobile ball winner then we could do all that bar the heading but I think you could have the CB come mop up.

    Herrera has been great this season but I don't think he is a pure ball winner and sometimes his positioning is off. I think a more defensively minded player with energy would give us more options.

    [–]unitedlover69 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think we need both types TBH. Our midfield depth is quite poor if u think abt it. We have pogba, Herrera, carrick, Fellaini who are good enough to be starting for us. (Bastian + TFM can play but not good enough imo). We need some signings in the summer in the midfield position)

    [–]Silver060Jones 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I think that what everyone has in mind for TFM a midfield destroyer. Bakayoko from Monaco would be a mourinho fit in terms of being a big imposing player in that role like matic is for Chelsea.

    [–]husaini___ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Bakayoko actually play as a box to box midfielder.

    [–]pharlap1Ander-Herrera 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Tofu?

    [–]Fm661Martial[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I think he still needs a few years to develop. But he would definitely be an option and I think he has the ability. Otherwise I think he could be backup to Valencia next season.

    [–]pharlap1Ander-Herrera 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I guarantee that mou will use him at RB 90 percent of the time, but it kills me to see him play there.

    [–]Fm661Martial[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The thing is getting a top quality full back is actually harder than getting a DM destroyer imo. I definitely have faith that fosu can play either just depends on what's available in the market.

    [–]MUFC19Carrick 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Idrissa Gueye is a great shout. He's the only player to have made more tackles than Kante this season in PL. Obviously, stats don't show everything. Even last season, at Villa, remember stan collymore raving about him, and said a top club should sign him. Closest you'll get to Kante by far in PL. Not too sure how good his passing is though.

    Personally think we need 2 CMs, defensive minded one, then another in mould of Herrera. Play two of them with Pogba to get best out of him.

    [–]Fm661Martial[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    This is the thing, I think he is good enough to play for us. Yeah, he would need to further improve certain areas but I think he could do that.

    The real problem we have with playing a 433 is you need the wingers to contribute to goals a lot more than they have this year. Where as if you went to a 4231 with a 10 then we have more players forward so the goals are shared more between the team. But I do agree that this formation gets the best out of Pogba.

    [–]MUFC19Carrick 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Agree, specially on needing goalscoring wingers. We have them, just not getting enough. Mkhi has been recently. Need Martial to score much more.

    My fear is though that to score more goals by playing just 2 in midfield, it prevents giving Pogba the freedom. And after spending so much on him, surely you have to build the team around him. And if we are to compete for CL in next few years, we have to play 3 in midfield.

    Other option is to play Pogba as CAM in a 4231? With deeper CMs?

    [–]Fm661Martial[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I agree, I think we do have them but until they start doing it consistently then I think we'll struggle in that system.

    I don't think coat should dictate who we build the team round and if stifling pogba means the team plays better as a whole unit then so be it. I agree we need to be a more rigid counter attacking team in a 433 in Europe where we will play teams with greater quality in the side. However in the league I think we should be dominating most games and going more attacking is better I think. Maybe a 433 in the big away games but I think at home 4231 against any team. I want shock and awe hammerings.

    This is the thing, pogba seems to only perform to the level expected in a 3 as the most attacking role. He is poor at CAM as playing with his back to goal isn't the assets we want to use.

    [–]MUFC19Carrick 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    When i say Pogba at CAM, i'm thinking more of how Jose played Fabregas in the big games. Fairly deep, with the freedom. Rather than being a second striker. Jose against lesser teams played Fabregas deeper as one of 2 sitting CMs, against better teams, played him as most advanced of 3.

    [–]Fm661Martial[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    That also coincided with a season where hazard was incredible and needed 2 men to mark him out the game. I think we need another attacking quantity with that game changer ability. If we have that then the others get more room.

    [–]dugnessSAF 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't believe Idrissa Gueye is good enough in possession to play for us. It's all well and good making the tackle but 75% of our games we are in control and are in no need of the extra help.

    I honestly think we need a consistency in formation and allow the midfield partners to play the same role with each other. As it stands we have swapped around with 3 in CM, to a double pairing, Pogba moving forward, Herrera sitting deeper.

    Kante and Matic play the same way, the same role, week in and week out. They have the understanding already, they can tackle and move the ball forward, they can split slightly and allow Luiz to step forward and bass between the lines. It just fits.

    Pogba is more than capable of playing in midfield 2, I think his positioning isn't yet up to standard which means he has to do a bit more running, which means he often looks tired on the ball from 60 minutes onward.

    [–]kingcant -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    blind can be a solution until the end of the season

    [–]Silver060Jones 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Jones done well in that position until the sending off.

    [–]The_Social_IntrovertPogba 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yeah he was great in that anchor role, and it allowed Pogba freedom which meant he played very well also. Then the card came and changed everything.

    [–]Crazylegsdane -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    We have one. His name is Timothy Fosu Mensah.

    [–]Fm661Martial[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The messiah come to free Pogba from his defensive shackles...