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[–]buddyhollybenhur 154 ポイント155 ポイント  (32子コメント)

I don't understand Martin Tyler justifying the sending off. 'Michael Oliver clearly warned Smalling that the next person to foul Hazard would get booked.'

How the fuck does that make any sense.

[–]cookie1254Rafael 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Goodness me that's awful logic

[–]mannahmannahScholes 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I agree, Tyler's logic doesn't make sense. But at the same time, that was a terrible decision by Herrera. Just senseless to immediately tackle a guy who'd just drawn a foul which prompted Oliver to talk to Jones and Smalling.

[–]GoodGuyManuEvra 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

HE NEVER TOUCHED HIM!

[–]Sensur10Nani 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If it's any consolation, the Norwegian commentary panel unanimously agree it shouldn't have been a second yellow

[–]Magnehtic 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think he just had to say something. I refuse to believe that's in the rulebook for Premier League refereeing.

[–]wakey87433Mata 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not in the rule book but you do see refs do it when they feel a team is intentionally fouling. Mind you most of the fouls are dives

[–]HomelessSmurfMartial 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless we're playing basketball, I'm pretty sure fouls don't fucking add up as a team.

[–]YoungJumpPogba 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't get how it makes sense in his mind, it's stupid as fuck

[–]mattmanutdKeane 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can understand the ref saying that, but how the hell is smalling supposed to communicate that to the whole team less than 30 seconds after the conversation. Dumb by Oliver.

[–]ShadyRedDevil 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Seriously, it should have been a card for Jones next if he did the same again, you can't do that if another player does it to Hazard. Ridiculous

[–]Snow_EUAnder Herrera 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've never heard that rule, and even if it's true and he told Smalling there's no way for Smalling to really pass that message on to every United player quickly.

[–]TonyzToneTonito 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I thought it made sense. It certainly looked like Oliver gave Jones a warning and used the opportunity to give Smalling the warning for the rest of the team to stop targeting Hazard. Then Herrera goes and commits a dumb foul while already on a yellow.

[–]dededog 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No, it doesn't make sense because there is no logic in penalizing someone more harshly simply for foul accumulation as a team.

What if people were shoplifting from the same store over and over and just getting probation but the judge gets fed up and says next person to shoplift from this store gets life in prison? Yes, it's ridiculous.

[–]TonyzToneTonito 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're comparison to shoplifting is ridiculous. There are plenty of times that teams are told to stop targeting a specific player. Such targeting could lead to injury and it's not worth it. I'm not saying that's where we were headed with Hazard but I understand it.

There are plenty of times and it's well established that referees will warn players earlier in a game and then start handing cards out if their warnings aren't heeded. Herrera was on a yellow and after a general warning still committed a stupid foul. He got absolutely none of the ball and tripped up a player progressing along.

Sure, it was soft but he was already on thin ice. He has to play smarter than that.

[–]MalforianJose Mourinho -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This kind of thing happens in most games

A ref will at some point tell the team/player "1 more of them and your gonna get booked"

[–]boy_wonder199Rooney 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I disagree. I have not seen this happening and I have watched a lot of Barca games where everyone tries to bring down Messi. If a particular player keeps fouling, then you give them a yellow. Not to mention, Oliver would have told this to smalling. How is smalling supposed to pass around this message to everyone on half a minute.?

[–]MalforianJose Mourinho 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

in the EPL it happens all the time, i don't watch la liga so i wouldnt know for that league

[–]BHButcherKing Eric 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention it happened a second later. Is Smalling supposed to get a megaphone out and tell everyone in that second or something? Jesus fuck

[–]SokkerboiMemphis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a shitty move by the ref too. You can't just decide that the next person to foul a player is booked. I get he was fouled a lot. But at some point you gotta think maybe it's just Hazard going down easy. He isn't stupid. He knows what's going on. Poor judgement by Oliver.

[–]summerincassiopeia 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keown is driving me just as mad.

[–]samsam78 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't go to r/soccer, theyve actually managed to convince themselves that it's sound logic. Herrera had no fouls in between his cards. So it wasn't accumulation either. Ridiculous

[–]cartesian5thMartial 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's not a rule, you can't book players for team offenses, this isnt rugby

[–]K-rock7Pogba 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What I don't understand is how everyone in r/soccer is now quoting Martin Tyler as if it is a fact and not just him making an assumption that Michael Oliver even said that.

[–]MalforianJose Mourinho 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

because we had spent the whole game so far hacking away at them....

He told the Captain of our team to sort us out, as a warning, its not his fault herrera spazzed out and immediately had another hack at Hazard

[–]AcubeofdurpIbrahimovic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The ref did exactly what the rules say you should do.

http://www.askasoccerreferee.com/persistent-infringement/

[–]buddyhollybenhur 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well TIL. I still feel it's harsh considering the fact that Smalling had next to no chance to communicate that with the rest of the team.

[–]JhixDe Gea 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Martin Tyler? I'm guessing this is American TV because we've got Guy Mowbray

[–]patcheee 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

BBC saying the same thing... it's fucking embarrassing

[–]legojs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

how do they know what oliver said? Is that what martin tyler thought he did? or

[–]faheemunitedThere's only one Zlatan 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (5子コメント)

First half Summary: Oliver is a piece of shit. Chelsea players are a bunch of diving bastards. Away fans are amazing!

[–]lonesomesoul95 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And Conte is a cunt

[–]Dreamscyther 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

and deGea is a god.

[–]Sakutaro_Is_DeadDe Gea 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

unplug that fax machine

[–]potato_war_lord 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bunch of whining little bitches those Chelsea players. Go down for fkn anything

[–]legojs 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (22子コメント)

what a fucking shitshow by the ref fuck oliver.

[–]eastxn956 foot 5 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Say whatever you want but he was on a booking and it was a stupid tackle.

Edit: Completely agree that the first was bullshit, but as a player you've got to accept it and change your game accordingly. He didn't, and he got sent off.

[–]legojs 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

that was debatable, but the yellow on cahill? fuck consistency right?

[–]edmMayhem 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why didnt he book Cahill for for pulling Rashford to the ground? or Costa's foul on Herrera! :(

[–]Dmcnich15Van Nistelrooy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Strawman this. No one is arguing oliver isnt shit. Just that Herrera needs to be smarter

[–]edmMayhem 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

True, a pity he was the next player to be beside Hazard! I just wish the Chelsea players would stop flinging themselves to the ground at every opportunity!

[–]Sir_BryanMartial 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

How is it a straw man when this thread is about how the ref is having a shit game?

[–]Dmcnich15Van Nistelrooy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Say whatever you want but he was on a booking and it was a stupid tackle.

This is the parent comment. The response to that was about Cahill not being booked pulling rashford down...

[–]Sir_BryanMartial 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"what a fucking shitshow by the ref fuck oliver."

[–]summerincassiopeia 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Still doesn't justify the sending off.

[–]chutzpahisawordValencia 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does not mean it was a red though. His first yellow was harsh as fuck too.

[–]TheMediumPandaSchmeichel 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Watch the replay and it's clear that Hazard is diving. He's throwing himself before the contact is made (not denying there IS contact) in order to get Herrera sent off.

[–]samsam78 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He did change his game. That was the only foul between both cards. It's not accumulation. It's just Micheal Oliver trying to leave a mark.

[–]petterpkÆ vil heller walk elone 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, but I dont think its worth a second yellow

[–]PsychohorakBailly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Bullshit. You're still allowed to make a bloody tackle even if you're on a yellow.

[–]eastxn956 foot 5 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Obviously, but you can't hack someone down once they've passed you.

[–]cookie1254Rafael 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No idea how he's got such a good reputation. I remember Wilshere headbutting Fellaini literally right in front of his face and he did nothing about it, he's just as bad as the rest of them

[–]Ibs99Blind 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

David de Gea tho...

[–]19Dan81Tempo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck Olly*

[–]MegaGowl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why is it a shit show?

Let's look at it objectively. Hazard was getting fouled all day, Jones ran into the back of him. Ref called over smalling to tell him next foul is a booking.

What happens 1 minute later? Herrera clipping hazard. He had to book him.

Put the boot on the other foot with no bias and imagine if they had been clattering rashford all day? We would be calling for the yellow all day.

[–]Ultra_light_beamsBeckham 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The first yellow for ander should not have been a foul let alone a yellow

[–]legojs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's about consistency. Ref missed two yellos on the chelsea players

[–]tallaghtmickMUFC FOR LIFE 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck Oliver

[–]Pedantic_PatFan Favourite David De Gea 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Herrera has the passion but not the temperament. He should know what hazard is like. Stupid. Park the bus and try to nick one on break or set piece. Overall we've given it a good effort so far.

[–]Kiddcohen39Herrera 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I agree but I think it's pretty mindless refereeing to hand out a yellow to whoever fouls hazard next.

[–]a_t_88 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The first yellow was very soft - Herrera just didn't move out of the way and Hazard ran into him. Possibly a foul but nothing more. When you think Ander has been sent off for that + a straightforward trip, it seems ridiculous.

With that said, he knew he was on a yellow, that the ref was getting frustrated with fouls on Hazard and that he was unlikely to get the ball, so it was a stupid thing to do.

[–]TonyzToneTonito 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Not as mindless when you consider that Herrera already had been booked and gave a dumb foul. You can't put in such a blatant last ditch tackle when you're already booked.

[–]Gengleberry 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he does that tackle 3 mins later there is absolutely 0 chance its a red.

[–]jacksteroo18 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think that was anything like a last ditch tackle? He was barely in our half and we had everyone else behind the ball. He had a flick out at him when he turned, soft yellow.

[–]TonyzToneTonito 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last ditch from Herrera's perspective, not the team's. Hazard was past Herrera and so Ander put in a last ditch stab at the ball and fouled him. If anything, the fact that there was a whole line of defense behind him makes the context of the foul worse as it is even more unnecessary.

[–]Marechal64 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That obvioisly didnt happen fuck me

[–]MegaGowl 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No its not. He can't pick and choose

[–]theatreofdreams21 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Definitely. For such a smart guy off the field, he really doesn't show it on the field. He's like a dog chasing something around.

I don't see how it's the refs fault. Both of those are yellows individually. Some refs wouldn't have given it, Oliver did. Stupid by Herrera.

[–]amzster 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Agreed it was stupid. Don't think the second was a yellow, especially considering Cahill's foul on Rashford wasn't...

[–]BHButcherKing Eric 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Herrera has the passion but not the temperament.

We've had legends with worse temperaments. His first red for us was that stupid slip and this was retarded as well.

[–]DatGuyRichValencia Fanboy 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Regardless of if you think it was a second yellow you do not make challenges like that on a booking already. Especially when that cunt is refereeing the game.

[–]dededog 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was a dumb challenge but not a second yellow, especially after such a soft first yellow.

[–]DatGuyRichValencia Fanboy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oliver clearly wanted to make a statement after our persistent fouling

[–]COLEDEINELingard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the second card was more of the fact we kept hitting Hazard over and over.

[–]MushroomBotHernández 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Willian looks like a BTEC Moses

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hazard may be a diving cunt but ffs Ander, you’ve got to be smarter than that. Every single one of them is going down at the slightest touch. It’s gonna be tough for Rashford to do something when he’s going up against Cahill and Luiz by himself.

[–]Savage9645Valencia 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hererra and Bailly are by far our most aggressive players. It's a good trait to have when you know when to turn it on. Problem is that you can't be aggressive 100% of the time or your going to get booked every game.

[–]TrebolationsJose Mourinho 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Exactly, it doesn't help that Oliver is complete shit either.

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    [–]GoodGuyManuEvra 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He is the GOAT

    [–]yungfinnigus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    First yellow was never a yellow, second yellow was soft as baby shit. We've been bamboozled.

    [–]Dave1711Januzaj 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Reffing is so inconsistent, how anyone can be against video refs is beyond me

    [–]Sensur10Nani 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    One of the cheapest couple of yellows I've seen in recent times

    [–]Savage9645Valencia 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Park the bus and take this shit to penalties

    [–]wpmkMemphis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We were already parking the bus. At one point we were so deep we were playing next to the ball boys. Ashley Young is basically a second left back.

    [–]wet4wet4sergioPogba 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    WHAT THE FUCK MICHAEL OLIVER!! YOU INBRED TWAT!!

    [–]itsandercontrolJose Mourinho 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fucking bullshit.

    [–]LetsGetLitScholes 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    There's something about Conte that I just hate

    [–]MadaraTheUchihahttp://www.howmanypremierleaguemedalshasstevengerrardwon.com/ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    His face

    [–]LetsGetLitScholes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    And the way he unhinges his jaw like a snake to scream at every little thing

    [–]dwood89 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fellaini looked like he was coming on before the red even happened

    [–]Magnehtic 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Once again, a shit ref ruins a crucial game. How much was he paid to protect the dive merchant dwarf Hazard at all costs? Watch Hazard trip over his laces in the second half and Oliver to red card De Gea.

    [–]is-an-antHe goes by the name of 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    we deserved a fair match, but we get this shitshow.. what the fuck oliver?!

    [–]Miniatom 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Bullshit first Yellow, herrera was stupid, it's going to be insanely hard second half.

    [–]its_ShehanThe Holy Trinity 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    God Bless DDG. Fuck off Michael Oliver.

    [–]bonedoc59Schweinsteiger 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm Already fuming knowing I have to hear alexi fucking Lalas justify Michael Oliver

    [–]HomelessSmurfMartial 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fuck every single referee in the top of English football, there is not a single competent ref in the premier league or FA cup. It is not hard to be fair to both teams. I'm not even mad about him sending Herrera off, even though i think it was soft. I'm mad that he's then let Chelsea players get away with the exact same shit.

    [–]Moriarty_LogicOle Gunnar Solskjær 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think Jose wants to take this to penalties.

    [–]DJMattyMHerrera 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fuck Michael Oliver

    [–]endsandskinsTHE SELF APPOINTED COMMISSIONER OF FOOTBALL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I feel like throwing up

    [–]abishekjamezCantona 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oliver trying to be the star again , ducking neville Longbottom looking butch cunt !!!!

    [–]MadaraTheUchihahttp://www.howmanypremierleaguemedalshasstevengerrardwon.com/ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It's hard enough with 11, fucking cunt.

    [–]cluedaEl Tigre 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Park the bus, clench the butt and hope for them penalities.

    [–]xjaw192000Herrera 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'm not usually one to blame refs but Michael Oliver was against us from minute one..

    [–]kaoticreapzRashgod 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Oliver could just send off every United player to "protect Hazard". Pathetic cunt.

    [–]underpk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Should sub someone else instead of Mkh.

    [–]soccerkid006 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    On a Yellow that was an unnecessary challenge. It was a matter of time before someone got booked, after ander for his 1st we had fouled hazard numerous times without any cards and apparently the ref told Smalling the next player to foul hazard would be getting a yellow

    [–]TheMediumPandaSchmeichel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I don't get why Cunte is getting away with calling for cards 6-7 times now when the rules clearly say neither players nor coaching staff are allowed to do it. Oliver gotta take him by his scruffy Italian neck and show who's boss. If he can send off Herrera on what was clearly a Send-Him-Off-Please dive from Hazard, he should man up regarding Conte too.

    [–]TonyzToneTonito 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm going to be in the minority here and say that I actually think Oliver has been pretty fair. We've gotten booked more but we've also committed many more fouls. The only bookable one Chelsea should've had was when Cahill dragged Rashford down but that was mostly due to a slip by Cahill so it wasn't egregious.

    Herrera in no way, shape, or form should've committed that second foul. It was stupid to do on a yellow. Point blank put the team in a risky position by losing his head. Worst is that Hazard played into the foul. He knew he would beat Herrera and draw a foul. Herrera should've known Hazard was going to try that as soon as play resumed.

    Overall, I think we're doing well. Anything can happen against Hazard-Costa-Willian (plus Fabregas will likely come on) so there's a long half to come. I'm just hoping Rashford can get a good run over the top and beat David Luiz to nick a goal.

    [–]CA_SPORTS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Finally a reasonable comment. Herrera was really dumb for going for that tackle. Did Hazard dive? Yes he did, but he's been trying to draw fouls the entire 1st half.

    We have to be smarter, especially Herrera who seems to have red cards follow him.

    [–]availableusername10Beckham[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    The second yellow was a bit harsh, but anyone claiming any kind of injustice or conspiracy is a fucking idiot. Anyone should see that Herrera shouldn't even be trying that tackle when he's already on a yellow.

    [–]Sir_BryanMartial 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Ok, but both yellows were soft, and its the first half. Manage the fucking game.

    [–]availableusername10Beckham[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Soft, yes. But let's face it, if a Chelsea player was sent off for the same two tackles we'd all be saying it was justified. It's not out of the realm of possibility to see two yellows for those challenges.

    [–]Sir_BryanMartial 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I disagree. I'd be saying we're lucky as hell. There's no way I'd expect anyone to be sent off for those two tackles. Costa gets away with 4 of those a week with maybe one yellow.

    [–]TheMediumPandaSchmeichel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It was obviously a dive though. Watch the replay, Hazard is seeing that it's Herrera coming, and clearly decides to go down.

    [–]availableusername10Beckham[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I mean he goes down a little theatrically but Herrera clearly trips him

    [–]TonyzToneTonito 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Agreed. I'm also pretty sure that foul wouldn't have been a second yellow had it occurred later and not immediately after Oliver had basically warned the team to stop targeting Hazard.

    [–]martialreignBlind 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Red card ruined the game imo.

    [–]YoungJumpPogba 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Fuck them up Jose, wake the fuckers up. Game can still be won but not with these sleeping fuckers on the pitch, wake up. Like what the fuck is Pogba doing?

    And the ref is a joke

    [–]durianspikesIbrahimovic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well at least it's 0-0.

    [–]Custard_NoobMartial. He's isolated. Skrtel here. OHHHHH YESSS! 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Good up until Herrera getting sent off. We need to defend like hell and hope we get a lucky goal, otherwise we aim for pens. I think losing Mkhi may hurt us in the 2nd half, we need Mata on at some point.

    [–]CveinMemphis & Martial 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    De Gea is insane.

    [–]rinorsusuri 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We're killing their system with not our best players. That's why Mourinho is better than others!

    [–]spoofexKing Cantona 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Getting sick of refs being the centre of attention this season. Not just our games but it's throughout. If they aren't bringing in video refs fine, then find better pitchside staff instead.

    [–]tocitusMemphis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Started off so well, took control of the game. Then Hazard stepped it up and dragged Chelsea into it. Then Oliver decided he wanted to send off Herrera rather than letting it go.

    So soft, so ridiculous from Herrera.

    [–]Shifter99Carrick 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    fuck the skinny double chinned fuck

    [–]DJMattyMHerrera 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Hopefully Clattenburg takes Oliver with him, the fucking knob.

    [–]njpatelAnder Herrera 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Carrick on would be good, Fellani and pogba will need a bit of calm around them

    [–]Ether2001 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    People who think we should put Ibra on the bench for Rashford is crazy

    [–]Savage9645Valencia 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I hope we never lose De Gea, this guy is a fucking legend. We better win him a CL one day.

    [–]idunlikeu 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Why doesn't that fucking cunt just fuck off?

    [–]hugorejas18Herrera 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    for what is worth, the match has become scrapy so yeah fight for the 0-0 and take it from there

    [–]patch517 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Game was good for 20-ish minutes, might as well not come out for the 2nd half. Fucking waste.

    [–]abkalu9Carrick 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Rashford has been really solid. Not what I expected against Luis and Cahill

    [–]_gastlyFalcao 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Shit decision but now we've got to play the hand we've been dealt.

    Valencia needs to stop trying to get around Alonso by himself because Hazard will break on a counter if he fucks up.

    Love the Darmian vs Willian and Jones vs Hazard strategy. The formation almost becomes 3 at the back with Darmian as the third CB and Young wide left with Valencia on the right. CDM Jones with now Pogba and Fella covering the center as well.

    [–]freshsalsadipRooney 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Away Fans..my word

    [–]COLEDEINELingard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Think we will have to win some corners to win this match. Don't think Mhki should've been take off, imo Young has been poor and should've been subbed. None the less, hopefully Pogba can actually make some runs into space and create something.

    [–]wakey87433Mata 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Mhki had been poor as well and Young has a much higher workrate which is needed when your down a man.

    I would have maybe taken rashford off, stuck Fellani up as a targetman and looked to get Mhki running off him

    [–]DangoManUtdJose Mourinho 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Am disappointed Miki was sacrificed

    [–]Blue9Nine 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I wonder if the Fellaini sub was a bit panicky...we're stuck with him on the pitch for 45mins against the trickery and pace of Chelsea

    [–]RVallant 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I agree the second yellow was a yellow, though the ref should have managed it better.

    But that first yellow for Herrera? What? I don't see it. Hazard runs into him. O_o

    [–]basalamader 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I believe in the red and they deserve my support. Today we are the underdogs especially after that first half, but i will stand with our ability and all the players. We will win this one even when all signs point to the contrary, we will win this one.

    [–]puppyk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Still trying to work out the formation. Seems like a fluid back 6 with Darnian and Young interchanging and Jones having a free role to press. Was working well with the whole team pressing and trying to limit the amount of flicks by Chelsea players

    [–]Veritasdota 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just saying, Chelsea were looking for fouls and potential sending offs. and however well Hazard has been playing, he's a fucking embarassment with no balls to be a player. Zero physicality and the diving prowess of an Olympic Gold Medalist, although not necessarily in this match

    [–]Qwertyasdfzxcv123De Gea 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Just want to say how glad I am that the BBC actually analyze the match at half time instead of five billion fucking ads like sky and the American channels. I'd fucking love if they got the prem, not just because of free matches

    [–]Sakutaro_Is_DeadDe Gea 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    David de Gea is a fucking legend!!!

    [–]BadAthMOFOPOGBACK 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Anyone have any idea why Mou thought it was a good idea to sub out Mhki? I was expecting Young to come off, but oh well

    [–]Willszz1De Gea 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Herrera deserved to be sent off imo. We'd be mad if a Chelsea player did that and didn't get sent off.

    [–]ManLikeNickMufc 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Did what? He didn't even touch him for the second yellow.

    [–]lambomrclagoWazza 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    For two soft fucking yellows? Horse shit. Second one is as common a foul as there is.

    [–]exposedmyself 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Should have taken off Rashford. Mkhi has goals in him.

    [–]danc906Ibrahimovic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I bet he wasn't planning on Mhki going the whole 90 so after going down a man wants to save him for Thursday

    [–]newborn_without_insHerrera 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Young would have been a better choice TBH.

    [–]TheBigLemmy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    As they have been in every game this season, the referees are against us. We play against 12 men every single week. It's beyond ridiculous at this point.

    Herrera, probably the classiest and most sensible player on the pitch gets a red card? Like our Jose, I can only laugh at such inept refereeing.

    [–]Closer_to_HomePogba -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    reff had every right to send Herrera off. he was asking for yellows since the beginning of the game.

    [–]njpatelAnder Herrera -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I have no idea what formation we're playing, but honestly I'm impressed with the team today. Outside of the red card, everyone is doing their jobs and they look like a unit. We won't be perfect this season, but you can see the improvement from the first game.

    [–]sukh_1 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thinking whether Pogba is on the pitch?

    [–]BUfels -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Tactics were working great, but that's the risk you run when you tell players to systematically foul. It was harsh but not scandalous

    [–]DeceivedRTS -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oliver has such a rat face and has no business in the mens game a boy his age.

    [–]lambomrclagoWazza -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Oliver is a cunt and here we go with the defense.

    [–]tim1901De Gea -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

    Game over. No way we can hold out.

    [–]Miniatom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Not with that attitude.

    [–]tim1901De Gea 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

    You think we can hold out 45 minutes and extra time?

    [–]Miniatom 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Its going to be insanely rough. But its not impossible

    [–]tim1901De Gea 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Yea I'm being too negative.

    [–]Miniatom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    We'll see in the second half if the players really want this. I know Chelsea is good this year, but they're not THAT good.

    [–]COLEDEINELingard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Agreed, we just need to catch Chelsea once on the break and we can just park the bus.

    [–]Miniatom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I really don't think we should park the bus here, i would rather we play with a defensive mindset and move the Ball around. Parking is dangerous against this team.

    [–]COLEDEINELingard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I can see what you mean, usually we do get caught out when we park the bus. I just think if we go 1-0 we should just try to play for that result.

    [–]Miniatom 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Of cause we should, 1-0 with one man down at the bridge would be good.

    [–]TheFanboyDreams -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Jones should not be playing DM, Fellaini should have started.

    [–]TonyzToneTonito 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I thought we were playing a 5-3-2?