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So... about Jon and Destiny. (self.JonTron)

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... So. I don't really understand what he was thinking. Even though I sat there and listened to the entire 'debate', it was just... God fucking awful.

How the hell did this even happen? Everything I enjoyed about JonTron, it's gone. I really liked him, to the point where I wanted to be his friend. Looks like that's all over.

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[–]Stanlot 227 ポイント228 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So.

I don't really understand what he was thinking.

Even though I sat there and listened to the entire 'debate', it was just...

God fucking awful.

How the hell did this even happen?

Everything I enjoyed about JonTron, it's gone.

I really liked him, to the point where I wanted to be his friend.

Looks like that's all over.

YOU CLEVER SOB.

[–]sailor_moon_irl[S] 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i'm so proud of you

[–]lattaland5 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We've been HAD.

[–]Stanlot 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

LUL all his comments in this post are like this

[–]LaoED 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Honestly, I smiled at this a bit too hard.

[–]Sumptuous-Squid 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The jontron subreddit was never about jontron anyway. We've achieved post-post-post modern levels of communal ironic performance art here. We at the jontron subreddit will always be there for you buddy.

[–]mysteryfluff 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

youve summed it up well. i dont think the internet will see a community with such strong shitposts for the next few years at least.

[–]derverwuenschte 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Maybe that's how Arin felt like whenenver they broke up GameGrumps

[–]ShadowFirze 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Arin has been an insanely good friend completely keeping shut about Jon if that's the case.

[–]darthr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

non disclosure agreements. He's been insanely in compliance with the law.

[–]ShadowFirze 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You think it's on such a professional level?

[–]darthr 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

their friendship became a professional relationship. If their breakup was really about politics he couldn't disclose that. Safer to keep quiet.

[–]DominusLutrae 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He should have warned us.

[–]Vid-szhite 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

HE TRIED TO WARN US!

Except maybe he didn't I dunno

[–]Oligomer 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh god

[–]Stanlot 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (19子コメント)

he went full /pol/ RIP

[–]gazeintotheiris 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (16子コメント)

THE GLOBAL ELIIIITE

[–]shillingintensify 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (15子コメント)

It's weird how saying we live in a Plutocracy has gone from progressive to RACIST in only 3 years.

[–]hellshot8 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Dont pretend like theres never been a difference between claiming Plutocracy through corporate interests having too much power in politics, and literally blaming globalists and the "global elite". One is a legitimate concern and the other is a white nationalist talking point.

[–]FeminismIsAids -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"White nationalist talking point" is a globalist tactic to lump opinions into one basket and brand them all toxic.

[–]hellshot8 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

or maybe its just something that normal people have observed really nasty angry people saying, and not some giant conspiracy. Calling people out on being assholes isnt a globalist tactic rofl

[–]notMcLovin77 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jon used the word "race traitor." I will never stop repeating this. That is not something you blurt out if you aren't a white nationalist.

[–]CakeManBeard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

For the sake of argument, let's say you're totally right, there's a huge difference between those two things and blaming globalists for things is exclusively a white nationalist talking point-

Let's also say for the sake of argument that being a racial nationalist(and not a supremacist) is an inherently dumb belief with no positive intentions whatsoever-

...So? How does being a talking point of spooky bad evil dudes invalidate the idea?

I think third wave intersectional feminists are awful, but that doesn't mean I'm going to swing in the exact opposite direction and say that women's rights aren't worth having just because I don't like some of the people that hold that position

[–]Venne1138 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

spooky bad evil dudes invalidate the idea

Because the spooky evil bad guys are jews.

Check out any thread when it comes to globalists and if it goes on long enough the likelihood of just them straight up saying jews goes to 100%.

It's not a coincidence that every globalist the alt-right has a problem with are jewish. It's why George Soros got so popular to hate on.

[–]CakeManBeard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The spooky bad evil dudes I was referring to was the white nationalists

And people hate on George Soros because he specifically has direct financial ties to a lot of subjectively shit things that have happened recently, not because he's jewish(as an aside, is he actually jewish? I'm just assuming he is because you said so, but you could easily be doing the same)

Don't tell me that you think that because an individual person belongs to a group that some people hate, that that somehow makes them beyond reproach for any actions they might commit? That's like saying that everyone that didn't like Hillary Clinton just attacked her because she had a vagina, it's an incredibly disingenuous argument to make

[–]FLSverker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

If Samuel P. Huntingdon and Zbigniew Brzezinski can talk about "Davos men" and "transnationals", then I should be able to as well without being labeled as a white nationalist. That's simply the reality of an increasingly connected world—the elite have become connected and transplanted across the entire world. Plutocrats in London, New York, Zurich, and Hong Kong feel more in touch with each other than their own countrymen. If you don't think that having an unsympathetic and unaccountable ruling class is a problem, then I can see why you'd be so quick to brand those you disagree with as white nationalists—you're probably a plutocrat yourself.

[–]Venne1138 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If you don't think that having an unsympathetic and unaccountable ruling class is a problem

Yeah and bitching about communists (or maybe communists are actually in support of global capitalism and imperialism...really makes you think..) and then latching yourself onto the right is really going to help get rid of those spooky globalists. It has nothing to do with people caring about the 'ruling class' because if they did they'd be marching or calling for a general strike.

Same with the alt-right bitching about the anarchists and black blockers. If anyone is going to go shoot George Soros in his capitalist fucking face its going to be the anarchists.

But at the end of the day the right will never realize the answer to their 'globalist problem' because the right inherently wants a hierarchy. They want the plutocrats as long as those plutocrats are white and willing to keep non-whites out.

[–]FLSverker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

or maybe communists are actually in support of global capitalism and imperialism...really makes you think..

It sure seems like that, at least in what passes for communism in mainstream society. I know a few Marxists who aren't involved ensnared in identity politics or tricked by globalist talking points, and I respect them greatly. But they are few and far in-between.

then latching yourself onto the right is really going to help get rid of those spooky globalists.

This isn't a strictly left v. right ideological conflict. Occupy Wall Street and The Tea Party were fighting the same enemies. I wouldn't have to latch myself onto the right if the former group wasn't so prone to subversion as to have abandoned the big picture.

Same with the alt-right bitching about the anarchists and black blockers. If anyone is going to go shoot George Soros in his capitalist fucking face its going to be the anarchists.

But ANTIFA is fighting on the behalf of Jeff Bezos and Citigroup now, so they're part of the problem. They're told the the root of America's problems lies in Donald Trump and not in the corporatocracy that promoted massive inequality through neoliberal economic policies... aka "globalism". I wouldn't doubt that many of those members simply just want to cause chaos instead of work towards solutions.

I like this line of thinking, though. I used to be a holier-than-thou leftist preaching "not all leftism". Just look at my /r/badphilosophy karma. You're not wrong on some counts, and you recognize the same problems that I do. Eventually, you won't be able to ignore mainstream leftism, and you'll either pull the wool over your eyes again, or you'll make the same break that I did about a year ago. It's a matter of time and information.

EDIT:

has nothing to do with people caring about the 'ruling class' because if they did they'd be marching or calling for a general strike.

They don't have the money nor the time. There's no anti-globalist, right-wing George Soros, and it's hard to get working-class and middle-class people on the streets until absolute collapse is near. Some people have families to take care of, you know.

But at the end of the day the right will never realize the answer to their 'globalist problem' because the right inherently wants a hierarchy. They want the plutocrats as long as those plutocrats are white and willing to keep non-whites out

Hayek, Mises, Nozick, and other popular libertarians are considered right-wing and don't believe in natural hierarchies. Strawmanning your opponents won't get you very far.

[–]Venne1138 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Occupy Wall Street and The Tea Party were fighting the same enemies.

Are you seroius? Occupy Wall Street was specifically against the 1% and bankers. The tea party just elected the most 1% person of all time.

But ANTIFA is fighting on the behalf of Jeff Bezos and Citigroup now, so they're part of the problem

And there it is. It's the conspiracy theory that completely deligitimizes the left. I could walk into citigroup right now with a bomb Timothy McVeigh that shit and kill all the 'globalists' in the board room and the right would spin it as that I'm being paid by Citigroup to do it. It doesn't even make sense for them to fund us anyway. I mean if Citiigroup wants to pay me money to buy a gun or something I'll take their money. But that makes no sense in their interest. You don't arm the fucking opposition.

They're told the the root of America's problems lies in Donald Trump and not in the corporatocracy that promoted massive inequality through neoliberal economic policies

Yeah all the anarchists I know fucking love neo-liberal imperialism.

[–]Ryche- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What part about "the global elite" has to do with race? Are you suggesting that it refers to Jews or something? So.. That's you injecting your own belief that Jews constitute the global elite. Am I getting this right here? I just want to be sure.

[–]Venne1138 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you suggesting that it refers to Jews or something?

Yes.

That's you injecting your own belief that Jews constitute the global elite.

One sec let me visit /pol/ which all of Jon's talking points are from and see what they think who the 'global elite' is.

EDIT: here's a totally not racist thread about the globalists :^)

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/116411649

[–]BOMB_EVERYTHING 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He went down the rabbit hole and never came back

[–]yearofthewaterbug 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't even hide his power level. smh

[–]os-u 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

DaFellas

[–]UnknownStory 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Honestly, Jon has a rage streak about a mile long and wide. I know and can identify this because I have one too.

I don't think badly about his beliefs because I believe he has good intentions but just can't coherently express them in real time. He's hilarious in videos, but that's stuff he's both scripting and editing for consumption.

He is 100% emotional, so when he can't coherently express his beliefs, it's time to break the furniture, tear down the house, and leave. Then three days later he might come back to help rebuild or at least offer an apology. But he has to blow off that steam first.

I also believe he's misguided. Should he be saying what he is? No. Cast the first stone if you yourself haven't ever done something stupid, or even went so full retard you had to swim through the shit to pop out the other side - there was no turning back, only simply finding your way out the maze.

Story Time with Tangy Mongoose:

I used to rant politics on Facebook with friends and family. After realizing I burnt a lot of bridges, I turned to Reddit for any ranting needs. Because, well, you are all a bunch of faceless people, and I won't lose and alienate friends or family in the process.

But as time went on, I realized something: I am absolutely 100% utter shite at politics. I attribute it to my low attention span and terrible short-term memory. So after getting pounded in the ass by everybody and their grandma here, I realized I just needed to stop talking about politics. Period. It's a touchy subject to everybody and is best left to the professionals (but even they can get it wrong, over and over again...)

I tried to teach myself the art of shunning logical fallacies but it's tough when you realize you were just using politics to feed the rage beast (it's easily digestable) and you just might not care as hard as you thought you did. Yes, you could probably troll my history and find some places where I slip and still talk politics. But it was much worse in the past.

tl;dr Jonathon Jafari is human. To err is human. And I don't think he's a bad guy, just misguided and far too passionate to debate politics.

I would love to see him debate something like shitty videogames or movies with others. That's where passions can flare up and rarely anybody gets hurt (unless you go for the ad hominem)

[–]LaoED 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

(unless you go for the ad hominem)

Honestly, I've seen both sides resort to this after a few exchanges, especially with the way people feel about our current government. Poltics is indeed a touchy subject. Even more so with less experienced parties.

[–]UnknownStory 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I didn't catch all of Jon's portion but I stayed on afterward to hear what Destiny was still saying and he was prone to this, even after Jon's voice left.

I'm pretty sure I even caught him saying something like "I'd buy 100 bitches contraception" (the "bitches" was like very quiet, but I think more because he was talking really fast and ran the end of his sentence right into the next one) and I was thinking to myself "wow, this guy is kind of an asshole too."

[–]Arvendilin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So because Destiny used the word "bitches" he's an asshole now?

[–]UnknownStory 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/128362374

Start at 2:15:45. He states "I will go down and buy 100 people, 100 bitches bitch control all day long..."

I think it's dodgy that he went out of his way to change 100 people to 100 bitches. It didn't even look like saying it was a slip-up, it looked like saying "people" was the slip-up.

I'm not downing his views, just saying he's not some polished saint and can be inciteful too. There is no way I could blame Jon 100% for this confrontation.

I almost guarantee if you stuck Jon in a room with a 20/20 interviewer (or somebody professional) and asked him these same questions we would see better results. But when some people are being cut down, it's easy to push their buttons and get more negativity out of a situation.

Jon is not good at being a direct debater. That's his biggest crime right now. And all we are going to do is raise our pitchforks and torches and keep poking the fucking bear.

Has anybody sat down with him and honestly tried to have a calm conversation with him on this? Not a debate? I'm looking for something like:

"You said there is no discrimination in America. What did you mean by this? How did you feel when you said this? Are you referring to government discrimination or all discriminations, even those between personal parties?"

Naaaaaw, let's poke the bear some more. Sounds fun! Drama's waaaay more interesting than keeping the peace anyways.

[–]Arvendilin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Start at 2:15:45. He states "I will go down and buy 100 people, 100 bitches bitch control all day long..."

And my point is that that doesn't matter, he doesn't use pc language all the time, I don't see how that is a super bad thing compared to some of the absolutely fucked stuff Jon has said today.

[–]UnknownStory -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

...and my point was that I thought he's an asshole, and not a polished saint. He's also known to push buttons and throw rage tantrums. You're trying to turn this into a dick-measuring contest, and that's not what I'm doing.

Destiny is just not somebody anybody should debate with, least of all Jon.

[–]Arvendilin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But JonTron said stupid stuff, that falls somewhat along the lines of what he said in the Debate, when he was on twitter and not getting his buttons pushed by Destiny.

I don't think it is a good idea to just pretend this doesn't exist, Jontron just HAS these fucked up opinions...

[–]Brosama220 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would agree If he wasnt such a racist too.

[–]Twillightdoom -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Especially when hes talking to Destiny. Destiny specializes in making people uncomfortable and never letting his "debate opponent" talk about a subject they want to talk about.

[–]Arvendilin 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What? It was Jontron who switched from topic to topic

[–]LangisKhan 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's not even that he's racist

it's that he's retarded and smug about it

[–]Proud_Denzel 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We /redpilled/ subreddit now boyos

[–]SalokinSekwah 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Don't give it away your baiting on Twitter

[–]dwellufool 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

edit your post hypocrite

[–]SalokinSekwah 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait what?

[–]cloningblues 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the reply wasn't directed at you? It doesn't seem to be connected to your comment. I mean, it wouldn't be the first time that someone on reddit replied to the wrong post.

[–]Reileyje 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's clear he wasn't really prepared, hasn't really done this before, and doesn't know how to articulate his views properly. (Which isn't an entirely bad thing, loads of people have terrific ideas and views in their mind, but have issues putting it onto paper or in words).

I wouldn't close the case that he is a bad person at all, if someone else was able to argue his points for him it wouldn't have been as appalling.

[–]nep77 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Okay what did Jon do?? I think that I'm out of the loop here

[–]DravoRios 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can someone please explain whats happening? Lol I have no idea...is this about a video or his twitter or something?

[–]Demanter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We Nazis now

[–]dwellufool -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Let me understand; you cannot watch or enjoy someones content because they have a different idea than you do?

I don't even agree with Jon AT ALL, before the pitchforks come for Jon Aryan Jafari grow the fuck up.

[–]RadiantViper 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I love how you say "different idea". Makes it sound so innocent. As if Jon said he liked pineapple on his pizza.

[–]Smash880 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woah... HE SAID WHAT? Fuck that guy. Unsubscribed. What a disgusting piece of shit.

[–]Phallen 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How can you compare these two ideas? Pineapple on pizza is the greatest sin.

[–]dwellufool 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

People in the real world have an intense amount of differing views in a cascade of flavors. You can choose not to watch JonTron because of that, sure, but that doesn't reflect how the real world works. I've been left almost my entire life, but just because Jon has right-wing views doesn't mean I think he's a shit person and can't watch his content.

[–]RadiantViper 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's not that Jon has "right wing views". It's that he comes across as borderline racist and can't back up his arguments to save his life.

You keep trying to make it sound innocent by saying it's just a "different opinion" when there's obviously more to it.

[–]dwellufool -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Do you really think JonTron is racist?

[–]RadiantViper 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I have no real idea, I don't know the man, but racist or not he's giving off a creepy and unlikable vibe lately. I subbed to him because he made funny gaming videos. I don't really care to hear him spout this nonsense.

[–]dwellufool -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Do you think you'd be able to back up your beliefs in a debate with someone with as much experience in debate (who also is well researched in those topics) as Destiny?

[–]RadiantViper 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Did I agree to debate Destiny? Do I have a popular Youtube channel? How is this relevant?

[–]dwellufool -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I try to hold other peoples to the same standards as my own, but I understand if you think because he is a niche public figure he should have some higher standard. I do not believe having non-violent view is harmful or wrong. I believe different ideas are inevitable for any kind of free people. Jon is clearly uninformed, but not everyone has to take the same prescription of ideology as me for me to enjoy their youtube video about a terrible 90's video game. If you don't want to watch his content anymore, go ahead, but I just don't think that is a very realistic way to approach the world. It's pretty trivial in this case because Jon is an entertainer and being that we're in the best troll thread I've ever seen on reddit.

[–]RadiantViper 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It has nothing to do with standards. I'm not Jon. I'm not trying to debate Destiny on this subject. Trying to apply what I said specifically about him to me makes no sense whatsoever and you make no point by doing it. I don't share his opinions and I wouldn't debate them like he does.

How is it not "realistic"? What does that even mean? People stop watching/reading/etc. things all the time because they no longer enjoy it for whatever reason.

And you continue to apply really vague and innocent sounding descriptors to Jon's rant. Come on. No one cares if Jon just has a "different opinion", they care about the subject matter he's spouting.

[–]sailor_moon_irl[S] 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's hard for me to separate the artist from the art, sorry.

All this time, I've basically been using JonTron videos as emotional pick-me-ups. Mostly because I was suicidally depressed.

Today, that all changed. Really, the only reason I enjoyed his videos was because he seemed like a nice guy, and it made me feel like I had a friend. Of course I know how pathetic that sounds, but, I am a very lonely person. Loneliness has been a big thing that's plagued my entire life. Loneliness that I tried to overcome in various ways, but most of them never worked. I've been hurt by so many people that, I just stopped trying to actually interact with people face-to-face. Not that it was a good idea, but-- I turned to YouTube videos, for some sort of semblance of human interaction. God, I know it sounds dumb.

Y'know, it's-- it's not that I hate him; I don't hate him at all. On the contrary, I hope he gets the help he needs. Until that happens, though, I can't look at him the same way anymore. :<

[–]rich_gart 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I AM TROLLING YOU

[–]dwellufool 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sounds like it has nothing to do with Jon and is a problem you are projecting onto him because of his beliefs and your personal problems. That's fine that you think that way, but I disagree with you.

i've been had

[–]choosingusernames 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

While it would be great if everyone could easily separate the creator and the content, you shouldn't feel bad if you can't. Don't judge people who can, but nobody should be giving you a hard time if you can't. Different people deal with that sort of thing differently.

[–]lostleader 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not just a different idea. Some of the things he said were blatantly racist on Destiny's stream

[–]cakeboss26 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I generally subscribe to that view when we're talking about fictional works or other stuff that doesn't directly involve the creator. You know, separate the art from the artist and all that. But for me, it's different when the art IS the artist. It's not like enjoying Ender's Game despite Orson Scott Card being a fuckhead.

I can buy the argument that if those beliefs don't show up in the videos, that's fair enough, but I just don't want to support someone that is actively working against (by having an impressionable audience) my own worldview. I won't judge anyone for continuing to do so though.

[–]Metroid545 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I missed the debate is there any place I can listen to the recording and judge it for myself before jumping to conclusions?

[–]tactopoda 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/128362374

It's honestly so fucking hard to listen to, it's a mess (in terms of Jon and the content of his words, I should clarify)

[–]deadvibes1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

interested in a vod as well

[–]harve99 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I missed the stream. Anyone got a summary?

[–]Ejir -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are Jon and Richard Spencer still friends?

[–]EventHorizon781 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can someone give context without jokes? I think I missed something.

[–]skelitor121 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree with all the shit Jon's getting but I strangely align myself with a tweet I saw directed at him. "Promise me you don't hate black people and we're cool" -- He may have super fucked up views but it's not like he's LITERALLY out there goosestepping and advocating for racist/sexist reforms. He has skewed opinions and if I can still love my pro-trump anti-everything-else Uncle I can still love Jon, honestly. I draw the line at actions, not words, and it's far too easy recently to liken a racially-biased view with racially-charged aggression. Jon's obviously not a bad person, and having different and even incorrect opinions doesn't make him that much worse.

[–]randomthrowawaiii 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He got redpilled, that's what

[–]BlueThunderBomb 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean if you've ever watched him on Game Grumps you should know that Jon is fucking horrible at articulating his ideas properly and not getting mixed up constantly.

I'm sure he'll make a proper twitter video or response soon.

[–]kwasy1020 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone on /v/ once said "All bird owners are secretly red-pilled"

[–]insanegorey -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What made you mad?

[–]Mulche_ -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

lmao they won't be able to explain that, they're just viscerally disgusted by badthink and are emotionally distressed

[–]insanegorey -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah they just resist challenge to argumentation, same as everyone, including myself. I believe what I believe due to a social influence, which I have on reasonable doubt to be true, same as them.

Then again, people downvoted as opposed to voicing why they disagree, which is either laziness or that visceral disgust.

[–]Ulbadir -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jon Tron won is what happened.