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So... about Jon and Destiny. (self.JonTron)

sailor_moon_irl が 投稿

... So. I don't really understand what he was thinking. Even though I sat there and listened to the entire 'debate', it was just... God fucking awful.

How the hell did this even happen? Everything I enjoyed about JonTron, it's gone. I really liked him, to the point where I wanted to be his friend. Looks like that's all over.

:<

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[–]Stanlot 186 ポイント187 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So.

I don't really understand what he was thinking.

Even though I sat there and listened to the entire 'debate', it was just...

God fucking awful.

How the hell did this even happen?

Everything I enjoyed about JonTron, it's gone.

I really liked him, to the point where I wanted to be his friend.

Looks like that's all over.

YOU CLEVER SOB.

[–]sailor_moon_irl[S] 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i'm so proud of you

[–]lattaland5 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We've been HAD.

[–]Stanlot 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

LUL all his comments in this post are like this

[–]derverwuenschte 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Maybe that's how Arin felt like whenenver they broke up GameGrumps

[–]ShadowFirze 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Arin has been an insanely good friend completely keeping shut about Jon if that's the case.

[–]darthr 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

non disclosure agreements. He's been insanely in compliance with the law.

[–]ShadowFirze 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You think it's on such a professional level?

[–]darthr 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

their friendship became a professional relationship. If their breakup was really about politics he couldn't disclose that. Safer to keep quiet.

[–]DominusLutrae 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He should have warned us.

[–]Oligomer 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh god

[–]Sumptuous-Squid 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The jontron subreddit was never about jontron anyway. We've achieved post-post-post modern levels of communal ironic performance art here. We at the jontron subreddit will always be there for you buddy.

[–]mysteryfluff 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

youve summed it up well. i dont think the internet will see a community with such strong shitposts for the next few years at least.

[–]Stanlot 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (10子コメント)

he went full /pol/ RIP

[–]gazeintotheiris 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (7子コメント)

THE GLOBAL ELIIIITE

[–]shillingintensify 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's weird how saying we live in a Plutocracy has gone from progressive to RACIST in only 3 years.

[–]hellshot8 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Dont pretend like theres never been a difference between claiming Plutocracy through corporate interests having too much power in politics, and literally blaming globalists and the "global elite". One is a legitimate concern and the other is a white nationalist talking point.

[–]FeminismIsAids -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"White nationalist talking point" is a globalist tactic to lump opinions into one basket and brand them all toxic.

[–]hellshot8 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

or maybe its just something that normal people have observed really nasty angry people saying, and not some giant conspiracy. Calling people out on being assholes isnt a globalist tactic rofl

[–]FeminismIsAids -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Normal people are retards. "White nationalist talking points" isn't being an asshole either. Expressing your opinions isn't being an asshole. Being cunts to people just for expressing "bad opinions" is being an asshole.

[–]hellshot8 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dont know if it's funny or sad that you'll never understand the irony of your own comments

just for reference; good luck ever getting taken seriously with a username like that. You bolster the "bitter, angry person" point without saying a word

[–]CakeManBeard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For the sake of argument, let's say you're totally right, there's a huge difference between those two things and blaming globalists for things is exclusively a white nationalist talking point-

Let's also say for the sake of argument that being a racial nationalist(and not a supremacist) is an inherently dumb belief with no positive intentions whatsoever-

...So? How does being a talking point of spooky bad evil dudes invalidate the idea?

I think third wave intersectional feminists are awful, but that doesn't mean I'm going to swing in the exact opposite direction and say that women's rights aren't worth having just because I don't like some of the people that hold that position

[–]BOMB_EVERYTHING 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He went down the rabbit hole and never came back

[–]yearofthewaterbug 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't even hide his power level. smh

[–]UnknownStory 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Honestly, Jon has a rage streak about a mile long and wide. I know and can identify this because I have one too.

I don't think badly about his beliefs because I believe he has good intentions but just can't coherently express them in real time. He's hilarious in videos, but that's stuff he's both scripting and editing for consumption.

He is 100% emotional, so when he can't coherently express his beliefs, it's time to break the furniture, tear down the house, and leave. Then three days later he might come back to help rebuild or at least offer an apology. But he has to blow off that steam first.

I also believe he's misguided. Should he be saying what he is? No. Cast the first stone if you yourself haven't ever done something stupid, or even went so full retard you had to swim through the shit to pop out the other side - there was no turning back, only simply finding your way out the maze.

Story Time with Tangy Mongoose:

I used to rant politics on Facebook with friends and family. After realizing I burnt a lot of bridges, I turned to Reddit for any ranting needs. Because, well, you are all a bunch of faceless people, and I won't lose and alienate friends or family in the process.

But as time went on, I realized something: I am absolutely 100% utter shite at politics. I attribute it to my low attention span and terrible short-term memory. So after getting pounded in the ass by everybody and their grandma here, I realized I just needed to stop talking about politics. Period. It's a touchy subject to everybody and is best left to the professionals (but even they can get it wrong, over and over again...)

I tried to teach myself the art of shunning logical fallacies but it's tough when you realize you were just using politics to feed the rage beast (it's easily digestable) and you just might not care as hard as you thought you did. Yes, you could probably troll my history and find some places where I slip and still talk politics. But it was much worse in the past.

tl;dr Jonathon Jafari is human. To err is human. And I don't think he's a bad guy, just misguided and far too passionate to debate politics.

I would love to see him debate something like shitty videogames or movies with others. That's where passions can flare up and rarely anybody gets hurt (unless you go for the ad hominem)

[–]LaoED 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

(unless you go for the ad hominem)

Honestly, I've seen both sides resort to this after a few exchanges, especially with the way people feel about our current government. Poltics is indeed a touchy subject. Even more so with less experienced parties.

[–]UnknownStory 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I didn't catch all of Jon's portion but I stayed on afterward to hear what Destiny was still saying and he was prone to this, even after Jon's voice left.

I'm pretty sure I even caught him saying something like "I'd buy 100 bitches contraception" (the "bitches" was like very quiet, but I think more because he was talking really fast and ran the end of his sentence right into the next one) and I was thinking to myself "wow, this guy is kind of an asshole too."

[–]Arvendilin -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So because Destiny used the word "bitches" he's an asshole now?

[–]UnknownStory 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/128362374

Start at 2:15:45. He states "I will go down and buy 100 people, 100 bitches bitch control all day long..."

I think it's dodgy that he went out of his way to change 100 people to 100 bitches. It didn't even look like saying it was a slip-up, it looked like saying "people" was the slip-up.

I'm not downing his views, just saying he's not some polished saint and can be inciteful too. There is no way I could blame Jon 100% for this confrontation.

I almost guarantee if you stuck Jon in a room with a 20/20 interviewer (or somebody professional) and asked him these same questions we would see better results. But when some people are being cut down, it's easy to push their buttons and get more negativity out of a situation.

Jon is not good at being a direct debater. That's his biggest crime right now. And all we are going to do is raise our pitchforks and torches and keep poking the fucking bear.

Has anybody sat down with him and honestly tried to have a calm conversation with him on this? Not a debate? I'm looking for something like:

"You said there is no discrimination in America. What did you mean by this? How did you feel when you said this? Are you referring to government discrimination or all discriminations, even those between personal parties?"

Naaaaaw, let's poke the bear some more. Sounds fun! Drama's waaaay more interesting than keeping the peace anyways.

[–]Arvendilin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Start at 2:15:45. He states "I will go down and buy 100 people, 100 bitches bitch control all day long..."

And my point is that that doesn't matter, he doesn't use pc language all the time, I don't see how that is a super bad thing compared to some of the absolutely fucked stuff Jon has said today.

[–]UnknownStory 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

...and my point was that I thought he's an asshole, and not a polished saint. He's also known to push buttons and throw rage tantrums. You're trying to turn this into a dick-measuring contest, and that's not what I'm doing.

Destiny is just not somebody anybody should debate with, least of all Jon.

[–]Brosama220 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would agree If he wasnt such a racist too.

[–]Twillightdoom -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Especially when hes talking to Destiny. Destiny specializes in making people uncomfortable and never letting his "debate opponent" talk about a subject they want to talk about.

[–]Arvendilin 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What? It was Jontron who switched from topic to topic

[–]os-u 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

DaFellas

[–]LangisKhan 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's not even that he's racist

it's that he's retarded and smug about it

[–]SalokinSekwah 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Don't give it away your baiting on Twitter

[–]Reileyje 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's clear he wasn't really prepared, hasn't really done this before, and doesn't know how to articulate his views properly. (Which isn't an entirely bad thing, loads of people have terrific ideas and views in their mind, but have issues putting it onto paper or in words).

I wouldn't close the case that he is a bad person at all, if someone else was able to argue his points for him it wouldn't have been as appalling.

[–]Proud_Denzel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We /redpilled/ subreddit now boyos

[–]DravoRios 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can someone please explain whats happening? Lol I have no idea...is this about a video or his twitter or something?

[–]KingMemeritusXIV -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You are unironically sad that a video game comedian has different political views than you. Christ, get a grip.

[–]sailor_moon_irl[S] 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't think it's said. Do you remember when he said "retard", and people from Tumblr just bullied him? I felt really bad for him then. Or, do you remember the time when he got interviewed by Breitbart, and everybody treated him like shit? That.

So much of what I've seen happened to him, he hasn't deserved it. How the hell could I possibly be his friend after this, though? I don't know how. There's probably no way.

[–]78541236 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nice messages you got there. I really think it is pretty good. Can you tell me how long it took for you to think of it? Everyone should be impressed. Many are probably are. Except people who don't really get the message. Many don't I think. Every will understand eventually.

[–]kvdragonslayer 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

N.i.c.e m.e.m.e is the code phrase here

[–]KingMemeritusXIV -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Be his friend? You are some random shitter on the internet he's never met, again get a grip.

[–]dwellufool -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Let me understand; you cannot watch or enjoy someones content because they have a different idea than you do?

I don't even agree with Jon AT ALL, before the pitchforks come for Jon Aryan Jafari grow the fuck up.

[–]RadiantViper 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I love how you say "different idea". Makes it sound so innocent. As if Jon said he liked pineapple on his pizza.

[–]Smash880 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Woah... HE SAID WHAT? Fuck that guy. Unsubscribed. What a disgusting piece of shit.

[–]Phallen 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How can you compare these two ideas? Pineapple on pizza is the greatest sin.

[–]dwellufool 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

People in the real world have an intense amount of differing views in a cascade of flavors. You can choose not to watch JonTron because of that, sure, but that doesn't reflect how the real world works. I've been left almost my entire life, but just because Jon has right-wing views doesn't mean I think he's a shit person and can't watch his content.

[–]RadiantViper 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's not that Jon has "right wing views". It's that he comes across as borderline racist and can't back up his arguments to save his life.

You keep trying to make it sound innocent by saying it's just a "different opinion" when there's obviously more to it.

[–]dwellufool -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Do you really think JonTron is racist?

[–]RadiantViper 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I have no real idea, I don't know the man, but racist or not he's giving off a creepy and unlikable vibe lately. I subbed to him because he made funny gaming videos. I don't really care to hear him spout this nonsense.

[–]dwellufool -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Do you think you'd be able to back up your beliefs in a debate with someone with as much experience in debate (who also is well researched in those topics) as Destiny?

[–]RadiantViper 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Did I agree to debate Destiny? Do I have a popular Youtube channel? How is this relevant?

[–]dwellufool -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I try to hold other peoples to the same standards as my own, but I understand if you think because he is a niche public figure he should have some higher standard. I do not believe having non-violent view is harmful or wrong. I believe different ideas are inevitable for any kind of free people. Jon is clearly uninformed, but not everyone has to take the same prescription of ideology as me for me to enjoy their youtube video about a terrible 90's video game. If you don't want to watch his content anymore, go ahead, but I just don't think that is a very realistic way to approach the world. It's pretty trivial in this case because Jon is an entertainer and being that we're in the best troll thread I've ever seen on reddit.

[–]RadiantViper 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It has nothing to do with standards. I'm not Jon. I'm not trying to debate Destiny on this subject. Trying to apply what I said specifically about him to me makes no sense whatsoever and you make no point by doing it. I don't share his opinions and I wouldn't debate them like he does.

How is it not "realistic"? What does that even mean? People stop watching/reading/etc. things all the time because they no longer enjoy it for whatever reason.

And you continue to apply really vague and innocent sounding descriptors to Jon's rant. Come on. No one cares if Jon just has a "different opinion", they care about the subject matter he's spouting.

[–]sailor_moon_irl[S] 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's hard for me to separate the artist from the art, sorry.

All this time, I've basically been using JonTron videos as emotional pick-me-ups. Mostly because I was suicidally depressed.

Today, that all changed. Really, the only reason I enjoyed his videos was because he seemed like a nice guy, and it made me feel like I had a friend. Of course I know how pathetic that sounds, but, I am a very lonely person. Loneliness has been a big thing that's plagued my entire life. Loneliness that I tried to overcome in various ways, but most of them never worked. I've been hurt by so many people that, I just stopped trying to actually interact with people face-to-face. Not that it was a good idea, but-- I turned to YouTube videos, for some sort of semblance of human interaction. God, I know it sounds dumb.

Y'know, it's-- it's not that I hate him; I don't hate him at all. On the contrary, I hope he gets the help he needs. Until that happens, though, I can't look at him the same way anymore. :<

[–]rich_gart 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I AM TROLLING YOU

[–]dwellufool 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That sounds like it has nothing to do with Jon and is a problem you are projecting onto him because of his beliefs and your personal problems. That's fine that you think that way, but I disagree with you.

i've been had

[–]choosingusernames 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

While it would be great if everyone could easily separate the creator and the content, you shouldn't feel bad if you can't. Don't judge people who can, but nobody should be giving you a hard time if you can't. Different people deal with that sort of thing differently.

[–]lostleader 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not just a different idea. Some of the things he said were blatantly racist on Destiny's stream

[–]cakeboss26 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I generally subscribe to that view when we're talking about fictional works or other stuff that doesn't directly involve the creator. You know, separate the art from the artist and all that. But for me, it's different when the art IS the artist. It's not like enjoying Ender's Game despite Orson Scott Card being a fuckhead.

I can buy the argument that if those beliefs don't show up in the videos, that's fair enough, but I just don't want to support someone that is actively working against (by having an impressionable audience) my own worldview. I won't judge anyone for continuing to do so though.

[–]Metroid545 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I missed the debate is there any place I can listen to the recording and judge it for myself before jumping to conclusions?

[–]tactopoda 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/128362374

It's honestly so fucking hard to listen to, it's a mess (in terms of Jon and the content of his words, I should clarify)

[–]deadvibes1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

interested in a vod as well

[–]harve99 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I missed the stream. Anyone got a summary?

[–]kwasy1020 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone on /v/ once said "All bird owners are secretly red-pilled"

[–]Ejir -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are Jon and Richard Spencer still friends?

[–]Demanter 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We Nazis now

[–]insanegorey -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What made you mad?

[–]Mulche_ -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

lmao they won't be able to explain that, they're just viscerally disgusted by badthink and are emotionally distressed

[–]insanegorey 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah they just resist challenge to argumentation, same as everyone, including myself. I believe what I believe due to a social influence, which I have on reasonable doubt to be true, same as them.

Then again, people downvoted as opposed to voicing why they disagree, which is either laziness or that visceral disgust.

[–]Ulbadir -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jon Tron won is what happened.