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Racist chanting direct at Park Ji-Sung (self.reddevils)

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I was reading a post on r/soccer regarding the racist chanting directed at Son Heung-Min, where Millwall fans chanted "DVD" and "three for a fiver" whenever he got the ball. This, obviously, made me feel disgusted.

However, what surprised me was a few users who mentioned that Spurs and United fans used to chant about their South Korean players eating dogs (which is just as bad as the chants sung by the Millwall fans, if not worse). I found a link elaborating more on this phenomenon and racism against Koreans in general here. I'm not trying to stir anything up, but when I read about this, I was genuinely disappointed. To me, these chants are clearly stereotyping against Koreans and their perceived behaviour. Just wanted to know if anyone could share their opinions on this? Was the chant sung by a minority or was it very common? This topic is quite controversial, but I think it's hugely relevant given how the modern game's been trying to stand up to racism.

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[–]AttackClown 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Our Park chant was meant to be more of an insult to scousers

"Park, Park wherever you may be, you eat dog in your home country, could be worse, could be scouse, eating rats in your council house".

[–]ManHathawaythe man -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But this chant doesn't really say anything good about Park, it just makes Liverpool look bad which is what confuses people, especially from other cultures.

[–]szehiannn[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

fair enough, then again, "could be worse" kinda shows there's a negative connotation towards the practices of other culture. it's bad that you're eating dog meat, but it could be worse, at least you're not scouse. I may be nitpicking a bit, but I don't think it's a particularly nice chant.

1) It's stereotypical. Don't compare fish and chips to dog meat. Yes, dog meat was consumed in the past, but it's not as widespread as fish and chips. In fact, while it is still consumed now, its consumed way way less than fish and chips in England. When I think of an equivalent to fish and chips, I think of dishes like Bibimbap, not dog meat. (I'm not even Korean)

2) Again regarding my point in the first paragraph, it appears as if a particular practice is being looked down upon. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, the fact that the chant had a negative connotation makes me feel uncomfortable.

But then again, I don't think United fans were being intentionally racist. Perhaps their intention was to draw references to Park's culture and add some humour to the chant. I do think it's slightly ignorant/backward though.

[–]myxo123 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

That article is ridiculously biased, almost like it came from North Korea not South.

It is also very likely that match fixing did occur at the South Korean World Cup.

And Koreans do eat dogs, that's not a stereotype it's a fact just like us eating Fish and Chips. Pointing that out isn't racism, because it actually happens and is extremely widespread in Korea.

I personally didn't like or participate in the Park song (the bigger offence in that song is actually the classism towards Liverpool fans) but it's more finding humour in cultural differences than monkey noise style racism.

Racism I'm sure exists against oriental people in the UK (because certain retards are racist towards anyone who isn't white) but compared to against Pakistani/Indian people, Eastern Europeans or Black people it's much less common.

[–]anzhitDe Gea 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I lived in Seoul for 3 months , didn't see anyone eating /selling dogs

[–]ManHathawaythe man 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

While it is true that dog is enjoyed and had been quite popular in the past, it is definitely not widespread. Dog butchers were still around in France during the early 90's. Although it is stating a fact, it can also be said that some may have decided not to use that line in a chant because of the obvious negativity perceived in society. Just an extra thought like "If this was chanted about me, it probably wouldn't be my favourite".

[–]myxo123 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

If I as an Englishman went to play in Japan, South Korea or somewhere where an English player is really uncommon I'm sure they'd have a chant for me based around me being English and some stereotype relating to it.

I wouldn't really consider that racist because there's no implicit negative connotation involved.

[–]Dunkaegon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless you are Korean or have lived there or experienced Korean culture in some form, you shouldn't be the judge of whether or not a stereotype like the one above has pejorative connotations or not.

[–]ManHathawaythe man -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's fine that you don't consider it offensive. What you are going off though is a complete assumption with not much experience or knowledge in the other cultures. Asian cultures hold respect as one of the most important aspects especially when dealing with other people. Why put out something that can be perceived so negatively when a more positively viewed chant can be sung?

[–]myxo123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why put out something that can be perceived so negatively when a more positively viewed chant can be sung?

If you're saying that then it's you who doesn't understand English culture.

There is a difference between being ignorant or insensitive to other cultures and racism.

[–]ManHathawaythe man -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You've pretty much described racism

[–]myxo123 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't be a fucking idiot.

If I go to Korean/Japan and spend all my time making eye contact with people, or if I find it weird they eat dogs, or a bunch of other similar things that isn't racism.

Not everyone is super educated and enlightened into the nuances of different cultures and not knowing that and acting insensitively to it as a result doesn't make you a racist.

If some shitty sit com makes a joke about Indians and Cows, Jews and eating Pork etc.. that's not racism (it's not really funny either (or accurate in the case of Cows/Indians) but that's another issue) it's trying to find humour in cultural differences.

Racism is I treat people of X race differently than Y, I have certain pre conceived notions of how X race will behave the Y, I think X race are capable of different things than Y, I don't like X race having relations with Y, I think people of X race should be employed over Y.

And so on.