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About Luke Shaw... (self.reddevils)

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I commented in another thread about our defence and mentioned I wouldn't care if any of our defence (bar Valencia and Bailly) were shipped out this summer. Not because they're bad players, they're just not the mean bastards that you come to expect from a Mourinho side. Look at:

Terry Cahill Jorge Costa Carvalho Pepe Ramos Lucio Samuel etc.

They're all soldiers. Reliable. Solid (except for Pepe maybe, ha) and that's just CB's under Mourinho. Jones/Rojo/Darmian/Smalling. Not so much.

When I made my comment I totally forgot about Shaw. He's an odd case. He's extremely highly rated. He came with a reputation from Southampton's famous youth academy. He's the most expensive British defender if I'm not mistaken. He's British. And has "loads of potential".

But in reality, none of those things really mean anything. Even 'potential' means nothing, until it is realised. The only thing that does mean something is his past performances on the pitch. Would anyone be able to provide more insight or an analytical view of Shaw's performances so far for United, without rose-tinted specs. Attacking and defensive. Who could you liken him to? My eye isn't the best at analysing real time performances, particularly from full backs. Which is why I listen to things like the Rantcast, who can break it down for me with stats and analysis etc. Unless I see a standout moment, like Valencia's last ditch tackle against Liverpool at Anfield.

I understand he's still very young, but would anybody be able to justify the hype? I can remember a good period of form before he broke his leg. But that was about it. If an opposing fan were to say he was shit, I'd probably say, 'nah he was great before he broke his leg. Good going forward. And got loads of potential'. But that is about the extent I could speak about him really. This isn't a slight on Shaw (though his current attitude does grind on me). But is he what we need going forward? (pun intended) Ha. Cheers.

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[–]youngsahaLVG 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You should write things like that in your diary

[–]cookie1254Rafael 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not because they're bad players, they're just not the mean bastards that you come to expect from a Mourinho side. Look at:

Terry Cahill Jorge Costa Carvalho Pepe Ramos Lucio Samuel etc.

They're all soldiers. Reliable. Solid (except for Pepe maybe, ha) and that's just CB's under Mourinho. Jones/Rojo/Darmian/Smalling. Not so much.

What about Azpilicueta, Marcelo, Coentrao, Arbeloa etc? Such a bizarre and incredibly inaccurate stereotype that you have to be 'hard' to play a Mourinho defence.

[–]alochner[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah all good defenders too. I just didn't want to list all of them. That wasn't necessarily the point. And it's not about being hard. It's about having the right mentality. I'd argue the United defenders I've listed are 'soft'. I believe Mourinho has intimated as much himself, this season.

[–]BarbadosDMLord Scholes[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Carvalho is not someone I would describe as a hard bastard.

He was a great defender and footballer but also a world class wind up merchant

[–]alochner[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think I described him as hard either. Solid and reliable however...

[–]notorioustunechiZlatan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

His potential is attack-based, that's why he's held in such high regard. He has pace and a good delivery, well I say he has them, they've been a bit lacking for the most part. However when he first came to United he wasn't fully fit in his first season he looked sluggish, then at the start of his second season as you mentioned that was when he was at his best. Bombing up and down the pitch, good link up with Memphis, I remember being at the game against Brugge at OT and he ran from their half back towards his own goal, won the ball, then ended up running down the right flank attacking. That's the kind of Luke Shaw we want to see.

Then, PSV happened, he suffers a absolutely horrific injury and we're still seeing some of the after effects of that night. He was never going to come back into a team and just click back into the way he was playing them two months at the start of last season. When you also consider the change in manager, which results in a completely different way of things from training, playing, formations and from a mental point of view as Jose will have his own way of handling players compared to Van Gaal.

He's been a victim of the tough love Jose wants to implement into the squad, and whilst I think we'd be absolutely crazy to sell Luke, if he doesn't fit into Jose's way of doing things then he can potentially end up being sold. But that's a different story. The be all and end all is he's going to need time to adjust to what Jose wants. I thought he was unfortunate when Jose called him out after the Watford game for the "mistake" that we were going through a bit of a rough patch and Joses was having a "mini-meltdown" that the incidences coincided with each other. Then he was dropped, the team started to perform well and Jose was right not to change the team. He's also had niggles which again after his injury are understandable.

He also has a lot to learn defensively as well, something which I'm sure he'll become accustomed too under Jose, but these things can't happen overnight.

Once he get himself fully fit, understands what Jose wants from him, gets himself back into the team and starts performing like we know that he can then all this talk of him not fulfilling his potential will be forgotten.

TL;DR Is he what he need? He can be if he applies himself.