[socjus]How Did u become anti-SJW?

AntonioOfVenice · 7時間前

First, thanks for telling your story. I love such testimonials, especially when they strike so close to home (my parents are immigrants from the Middle East).

And became kind of an SJW, but I had my doubts , I worked for HELEM the LGBTQ community of Lebanon, and I mentioned the word “hermaphrodite” and told me to never use this word because I am a cishet male. I refrained from using the term and used intersex instead.

I didn't know this kind of nonsense had spread to non-Western countries. You'd think they'd be smart enough not to alienate the few "cishet male scum" in places like Lebanon who are sympathetic to them, not to mention the immorality of turning on people who are spending their time for you. Such entitlement. But I guess they're taking pointers from Western movements. Social Justice really is a poison that knows no end.

I still preferred Trump over Hillary I was happy that he won

I supported Hillary until she started screaming about 'Islamophobia', simply because I found Trump's birtherism distasteful. But what disturbed me were some of the supporters of these people. If you said "I support Hillary, and I think it's absolutely unacceptable how Trump supporters are being beaten up", Trump supporters would be appreciative, while at least the more vocal Hillary supporters would call you all sorts of names. Far from the claims by the media, it seemed to me that the dangerous fringe was in the driver's seat with Hillary, not Trump.

For me, the turning point was the Charlie Hebdo massacre. When I saw people attacking murdered cartoonists in an attempt to make the greatest attack on free speech in the West look less heinous, I knew that we were in serious trouble. Prior to that, I was actually becoming more and more anti-SJW, simply by being exposed to some of the nonsense they stand for - in part thanks to channels like Thunderf00t, where I accidentally stumbled on some of his anti-feminist videos after having avoided his channel for a long time for it. When I had only seen the tip of the iceberg, I was a bit of a SJW myself - though I thankfully never went full retard ideologically. When I see what's happened in the past two years, I wonder whether I have changed, whether Social Justice is really getting out of hand, or whether I see more of what's going on than I used to.

It's eye-opening, but at the same time, it is a little depressing. People like to think that we're winning, but we really are not. SJW extremists dominate academia, and they are pumping out new brainwashed recruits every year, who continue to go into politics, the media and the 'diversity' departments of companies. A new, winning strategy (if it's even possible) is necessary, but thinking of one certainly is above my pay grade.

BulbasaurusThe7th · 7時間前

I'm Eastern European, my family is below average wealth (we still live fine because we are extremely resourceful and not wealth-oriented), most of the men in the family died young and for some reason a lot of girls were born. I have issues with mental health.

In my family strength is valued. We always had it shitty, between my father dying of cancer, to unemployment, to me having anxiety so crippling just stepping outside was a thing that made me exhausted and shaken.
I was always taught to value rational thought. In this family we argue, we debate, we disagree. I was always the kid to ask questions and I was raised to want to do that. My family is not made of people with high education, but intelligence was always valued. My sister is a huge history buff, my grandpa could tell you all about politics, things like that.
It was never a question that women can do shit, because we never had the luxury to be princesses. I mean I am the more intellectual type, so I am considered a weakling, but we all have our value here. Mine is basically my English skills and the fact I can make all kinds of small, delicate things and learn all the crafty skills.

I lived a bit in Sweden with my best friend.
The luxury of being so stupid and useless and whiny pissed me off so much. My over-developed sense of justice and inability to follow stupid leaders always got my ass kicked, even as a kid, so I very quickly decided to go against the SJW-madness.

I found Karen Straughan and there was no way back. That woman's personality is so familiar to me from my own family's women and she really knows how to destroy the feminist crap with facts, actual history, logic.
Then of course the others, like Undoomed and Bearing are liked by me, super sarcastic as I am.

Neo_Techni · 7時間前

When they decided to treat me worse than a group with actual terrorists, rapists, murderers, etc. All cause I'm a gamer

thecoolersub · 7時間前

Here's a conundrum I've been fighting with myself for so long:

I'm not an anti-SJW. I'm not really against social justice. I'm not really against feminism, or against the movement of BLM, or against any of that other shit people complain about. I'm simply pro-free speech. Yes there are a lot of things I don't like about social justice or feminism or BLM. I can't go a day anymore without thinking "If only SJWs hadn't fucked up Bioware DA:I and ME:A could have been great." And while that sucks, and while I hate seeing those people have a voice, I would rather they be able to bitch complain abuse etc etc rather than them be stifled and unheard. So long as I can hear the voice of my "enemy" I know that my voice can be heard as well.

Huh? They want to tear down Free Speech? Well, then... fuck 'em. Ever since they declared war on free speech that's when I decided to be anti-anything at all. But I don't consider myself anti. Glass half full kind of guy.

LutjaSuki · 6時間前

Good question!

For me it was two media phenomena.

The first was the BBC and mainstream british media in general. It revolved around two events. The first of these were the Danish Mohammed Cartoons. Do you remember the rioting, the burning, the death and threats of murder? Over a handful of cartoons!!!. That wasn't the problem it was the way in which the BBC not only prostrated itself before the murderers and rioters but the way in which they responded to the worldwide awfulness as though it was justified and appropriate. they blamed the CARTOONIST for the deaths. I t was this that made me realise the the BBC, that i had always trusted as the finest source of information in the world; had a world view that was so twisted by something that they would adopt this position. That they would lie or distort the truth to protect islam. Sometime later there was a serial killer murdering prostitutes and i was sickened, disgusted and appalled by the BBC and other respectable media, by their obvious excitement and desire for more women to be killed.

Therefore the BBC and the guardian (which was mostly where i got all my news from) were disgusting liars without a functioning moral compass.

Forward a few years. I remained, or more accurately, thought that i remained a hardcore leftie. I said thought that i was a feminist all that jazz.

But then i joined twitter.

I followed all my my fave writers and journalists, i followed pretty much every trans person that i saw posting. But then I saw the hate mobs. I did not at first see much wrong with it. The far-left would denounce and castigate people that were after all professional pundits. Journalists and politicians invite mass bombardment with vitriol and criticism by choice of their profession. But it did not stop there. The same people, over and over again would launch crusades against celebrities, scientist, authors, completely ordinary people. The cause of these attacks would disgust me. The final straw was when they went after Tad Williams for the crime of appearing on an all-male panel at a book convention. WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK!?

The language of the feminist left had become sickeningly extreme. Kill all men went from being a joke to a mantra. Some of these people really believed it. And these people were legion. They hated white people. Trigger warnings went from exclusive therapy environments to being every-fucking-where. They turned cis, a simple word that meant not-trans, into a slur to hate normal people with. So many women were bathing themselves in an ecstasy of hate.

It was like the crucible, the saint bartholomew's day massacre. It was every religious frenzy of joyous hate that i had ever seen. I would see feminist videos and the women would grin and despise and looked, to me, like less noisy football hooligans.

But through all this i still would not consider any view that had been labelled right wing as being worth considering or even hearing.

Then gamergate happened. My twitter was filled with outrage and anger. But i saw who was tweeting against it and I knew that they were lying and that they were lying with a glee and joy what would make the devil feel inadequate.

that was my red-pill. I loved computer games. Literal murder would not do it but computer games would.

SixtyFours · 7時間前

I don't when but I think it came from the fact that I don't like the idea of not criticizing the issues that Social Justice has. Everything has issues but for some reason the ideas of a "Social Justice Warrior" is something that shouldn't be criticized or you'll be deemed a bigot or the like. If you can't criticize an idea, that's a major issue. Even if the criticism is poorly made, it should still be made. You can easily refute a terrible criticism. But either way there's a fear that this school of thought is a sacred cow and shouldn't be questioned. That's scary.

twerksaver · 7時間前

Personally, I had been following GamerGate since its inception. I saw how easily abusable social justice was and how it could be used to silence any and all opposition. I saw plenty of people get doxxed or lose their jobs over simply disagreeing with these people.

As bad as I thought it was, though, I could always separate that from my real life. I had good friends who, despite certain minor political differences, could see past all that and just come together to hang out, shoot the shit, and play video games. Or so I thought.

One friend in particular had started using Tumblr a hell of a lot more. This concerned me because he was always a very insecure guy, and I knew how the social justice types there like to manipulate people to use them to further their agenda. And that's exactly what they did. Preyed off every insecurity he had, whether it be his size, his sexuality, his race, you name it. Next thing I know he's identifying as a 'feminist-ally' the told me after having sex for the first time that he was pretty sure he was 'asexual'. Not to mention he really started to hate on white people, like, constantly. Hell, he was even one of those Baltimore riot sympathizers. But I didn't really care about that, or what he identified as, he was my friend after all. But next thing I know he's removed me from all social media and completely cut contact with me and the rest of our friends. We didn't know what the fuck had happened until we checked his Tumblr.

Dude couldn't even tell it to us directly, had to make a fucking Tumblr post detailing how he needed to remove all the 'toxic' people from his life. That he needed to focus on becoming a better person and all that bullshit. This was a guy I used to spend countless hours talking to on the daily. One of my closest friends, fucking gone just like that. All because of some stupid political disagreements, and the bullshit social justice extremism Tumblr fed him.

That's when I learned how real of a threat social justice warriors were, that it wasn't just some stupid Internet drama that had no real impact on my day to day life. And as I said above, I got it easy compared to some people. Losing long-time friends, or your job, or having your private information compromised all in the name of progressivism and social justice.

What a fucking joke.

the_nybbler · 6時間前

I'm a cis white male in tech. Got tired being blamed for all the ills of non-cis non-white non-males not in tech (and various combinations of same). Said so. That's all she wrote.

doggo_to_the_rescue · 7時間前

That's a really good story friend. I'm sorry you have so much turmoil in your country. I've been kind of down lately at the political strife here, but I see that things could be much worse. All in all I'd say you had a hell of a trip and came by your views honestly :)

Good luck!

Slutmiko · 7時間前

Tl;dr, I'd been really skeptical about societal attitudes regarding women my whole life. Specifically phrases like "NEVER HIT A WOMAN EVER!" Not even if she's hitting first? Not even if you could save lives doing it?

Then I read a blog post by a feminist saying that men were rape supporters if they had one of many reasonable opinions. I became an MRA after that.

Bob9999999999999 · 6時間前

I was raised by a conservative family in a liberal area. For as long as I've had any political awareness, I've basically been libertarian-leaning. My standards for the left were never especially high. I fully expected that the left would occasionally freak out about, say, imaginary racism just as the right would occasionally freak out about, say, Jesus. And I fully expected that the left would contain a certain number of extremists who supported communism, hated white people, etc.

What I did expect was that when a movement as regressive and pro-segregationist as the one against "cultural appropriation" came along, it would surely only receive support from the extremists. Instead, the dogma was not only supported by the moderates, but quoted unquestioned in allegedly apolitical sources. Trying to make sense of it all, I discovered /r/StormfrontorSJW and the rest is history.

howmanynamesleft · 6時間前

I actually can't stand most of the anti-sjw commentators. For me it was seeing the left's response to things like Tim Hunt (doubling down on Connie St Louis's lies in the face of recorded evidence), Charlie Hebdo (chastising cartoonists instead of gunmen), Bill Maher (infamous Ben Affleck episode), SPLC formally labeling Maajid Nawaz & Ayaan Hirsi Ali as "anti-muslim extremists," etc, that slowly cast light on the problem.

Pussrumpa · 3時間前

Thank you for writing, it is fascinating to learn, but also horrifying how easily brainwashing hits people no matter where they are :(

By immigrant parents I was born and raised in Sweden, and I have watched the country fall into the hands of SJW. This will be long.

During childhood I was never spoiled or coddled, rather the opposite, so I became a realist to the world early. I remember doing more observing and thinking than just "being a kid", questioning "why" instead of "ok" when something seemed wrong, doing far more thinking before acting for someone my age. From observing my father I picked up the habit of treating everybody as an equal until they did something bad, I grew up with five sisters and mstly girls for friends, with a childhood like that it was not difficult to become the anti-sjw.

I got bullied, and even worse after changing to a new school after moving, but only the girls got help and care when seeking help from adults at school about it. For us boys who got bullied the only solution was the way of the fist, had I been that child in that situation today I would have been banned and sued and hunted away from the country for what I did to take care of the problem.

In grades 7-9 the political trend was to be red/leftist party, because "the blue/right party is the devil, they hate children", and I questioned those statements. I studied and I learned the blue/right was not bad at all, they had a different focus in how a country should be run and its people should be taken care of, but everybody gave them shit, even the media which was supposed to be neutral. The classmates and friends who believed so hard in the left would never listen or learn, they would always repeat that they had been told about "the enemy". They were programmed into not listening to reason or logic.

My life was threatened after I acted in self defense against a girl in the class who attacked me in wood-shop, and no adult cared.

9th grade ends on the national day of Sweden, the flag is raised and we sing the national anthem together. The youth my age who believed the most in the leftist propaganda unfold a banner and call us nazis for singing the national anthem and celebrating the national day. Later that year Sweden enters the EU, a group of leftists occupy a building and throw molotovs, shoot at police, in protest against the decision. This is when I realized it was a cult. All in the same year that my parents had a rough divorce and I became homeless for half a year.

Teenage years go on and I find myself am incapable of understanding why the other people my age see nothing more to life but drinking until they puke or pass out, having sex, smoking. One guy in "the gang" had four children with four different girls before he turned 19. All I wanted to do was to conquer my depression and start work. Before I turn 20 I got struck down by fibromyalgia, an incurable often crippling nerve-disease

I enter my 20s and the years pass, online gaming becomes popular, voice-communication grows. In the games, almost all males go wild then a female speaks, often act bullet-shield in front of them or protect them, but I treat them like equals on the battlefield and wonder what is wrong with those males. World of Warcraft and raiding begins, and the behaviour gets worse. The Internet-era explodes and the new youth online brings boys (of all ages) who ask what to do and how to treat female classmates, when I think "just be an ordinary human being and deal with it". Questions of how to ask someone out, and I think "just do it what do you have to lose". There is a significant loss of "balls" and "guts" noticeable, and outcasts, deviants and extremes of all sides gather online.

In the 2000's I take notice to the media becoming more eager to cover right-wing extremism with a thousand headlines and barely giving a blurb to the left-wing extremist attacks that become more common-place every year as people tire of red politics. In 2001 the Göteborg (Gothenburg) riots happened by leftist extremist youth who fired everything including lethal firearms against police, and the media lost their mind when one police fired in self-defense. What were they "demonstrating" against? The EU. Similar vandalism and rioting in the name of "reclaim the streets" ensues around the more crowded cities.

The socialist government brings a hard focus on feminism and the idea that "every other job should be a woman's" but only in a board room where the work is paperwork and very well paid. The blue party finally wins an election in 2006 and left-wing extremist attacks take over, sabotage by former government parties begins, assaults on politicians in the streets. The 2008 banking crisis hits and we survive and stay strong, because of the blue/right politicial strategies. The impact on the citizens is minimal, but in the hearts of those who believe in the left, the impact is massive and we suffered the hardest in the world.

A female friend gets dumped by her boyfriend, they were not living together, and she gets offered a few months of sick leave. The mental and social-skill qualities of people online continues to fall.

For the 2010 election the people of the only political party questioning immigration gets treated like ebola-carrying swine by media and left-side politicians, attacks on anybody associated with them become commonplace, but if a right-wing writes a bad thing on the internet, they stop the presses and focus everything on how bad the right are. People get more and more tired of the left, but also the regular right, and begin voting for the one political party to dare question immigration. It again begins: "if you're not with us (left) you are against us", so the virtue signalling trend begins hard. I get attacked because I am white and bald.

In media, anything slightly criticizing of a woman is now seen as the worst crime you can make, even when it's a woman questioning another woman's outfit.

For the 2014 election voters leave their regular parties and focus on that one, and nobody dares to co-operate with them and build a government with their co-operation, so a sham government of socialists leftists and environmentalists is made. Shortly afterwards the flooding of immigrants begins, the flood-gates actually open up and the leftists roar of how the borders should be opened and rage when the rest of the country mentions we were already out of homes, money jobs and manpower to take care of immigrants. The immigration bureau is forced to accept the given age and name of those who apply for asylum, including a 45 year old man stating he was 15 (who later went on to rape).

"Open your homes and wallets" cry politicians, media and celebrities, they still do today, and they never opened their own homes and wallets, even to this day.

Romanian slaves disguised as beggars come to the country to sit outside every store-front that exists in all weather and temperatures, often engaging in fights with other leagues of romanian beggars. Malmö Göteborg Stockholm were already battlezones, but quickly get worse with regular attacks of explosives and guns, more than during any motorcycle-gang war.

Rape crimes quickly explode, they would have done so even if not for redefining rape as "any undesired entry into vagina". Crime statistics grow like the universe after the big bang. Police get leashed and disallowed to act. Firefighters get attacked and can only watch buildings and people burn. No-go zones where the emergency staff get treated like that increase one by one, car-burnings increase massively, buses get stoned and attacked, snow-plow drivers get beaten and robbed. 20 year old immigrants rape at the highschools they attend and are allowed to continue going there, despite being convincted for you know, rape, and of an age that should have them in jail.

Men, women, girls, boys (recent trend of gang-raping little boys is unfortunately a thing, and yes the five caught near my city will be sent out the country ie they were immigrants), animals at at risk of getting raped and beaten and killed, even outside of the no-go zones. Nurses, doctors, policemen, firemen, EMS staff quit their jobs in protest, because they cannot go out into strike.

From their glass towers, the leftist media and leftist state media and the politicians, only speak of how this country is safer than the US and the UK and how immigration will be great for the future of the country. The government delivers another batch of loose promises that will never be delivered upon, and then they bring up feminism, feminist snow-clearing, how all is well and immigrants do no crimes.

Paolo Roberto (boxer, actor, beautiful man) was on Saturday career-murdered because he instagrammed a quote stating that breasts are proof that men can focus on two things at once. On TV he was attacked in a way that would have had someone hung, had he been a woman. It was stated by another feminist SJW woman on that same TV show that his instagram quote makes rape happen.

In Sweden you have to suffer from terminal brain damage to be an SJW. Therefore I am anti-SJW.

I have no income because of my nerve disease but I will do anything in my power to get out of this country.

nodeworx · 6時間前

Sad Puppies 3, a couple of month before GG started...

When I initially started here on KiA, I was mainly posting Sad Puppies related stuff since the fight seemed to very much be a parallel front in the same war against sjw involvement in a 'nerd-culture' medium.

That said, GG didn't really take notice of Sad Puppies until 2015 when Teresa Nielsen Hayden started to lump the Sad and Rabid Puppies together with GG in a post on her personal site Making Light.

Incidentally that's also where I initially first heard of Arthur Chu, since he was making an ass of himself on twitter at the time on the SP side of things.

Vacbs · 6時間前

I'm very asocial. I like people a lot, but I generally find more happiness being alone. Gaming was something I was naturally drawn to because of this. It's something I can do by myself and it also let's me play with others if I feel compelled to.

Anyway, I detest having other people tell me what I should do or say or think because I've always been on my lonesome and done what I wanted. So when these people started infecting the communities I frequent and the hobbies I enjoy and began instructing people on how to speak and think and feel my initial reaction was one of pure instinctual hatred. It's something which is fundamentally opposed to the core of who I am as a person. Naturally the more I dug into the pit of filth the more I realized how deep it was and began to discover some of the wider cultural implications, which were very disturbing to me at the time due to the way they mirrored ideologies and beliefs that have historically been very dangerous. Then gamergate kicked off and I recognized immediately that the journalists response was a symptom of this subcultural cancer that had been poisoning the things I like and I eventually ended up here.

I'm mostly on this sub and places like it so I am aware of how the overall situation progresses. I don't want to be here, I don't want to deal with these people, I consider it a necessary precaution. I just want to be left alone. And the moment they are robbed of their influence and things go back to some relative degree of normalcy I'm probably going to delete this reddit account and forget any of this ever happened.

sentientfartcloud · 5時間前

Man....I've always had moments like deducing that feminism sucks at the age of 8. But, the moment I started on my anti sjw journey was back in 2012 when I was suffering domestic abuse from a female roommate and I decided to look up the word used to describe hatred for men, misandry. This led me to AVFM (not an MRA), and an urban dictionary page that was vandalized by a feminist declaring that misandry doesn't exist. It used to have multiple entries saying the exact same thing, now its been whittled down to just one. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=misandry

Hyperman360 · 5時間前

In college, I started noticing a trend of everything being focused on women, and men were totally left out. After a while it turned into a lot of anti-male stuff, and as a guy I didn't like that, so I ended up being anti-SJW.

henlp · 6時間前

A friend told me "Hey, have you seen this Dina shit that's going on with MN9?" That lead me to IA, which led me to Repzion and TAA, which led me to MundaneMatt, which led me to GG.

a-memorable-fancy · 5時間前

grew up with one. me and my brother were both social outcasts with a natural sympathy to feminism. difference was I hated school and developed a natural sense of stoicism while he declared for the rainbow nerd crowd pretty quick. I tried to follow him but I just didn't like comic books and children's cartoons enough to justify spending time with them.

I got kicked out of college around the same time GG got started and that brought a lot of things into perspective. I finally had a vocabulary for all the reasons why I didn't like muh uber nerdy superhero movies and joss whedon shows. naturally bro declared for the pinkhairs and it's been something between us. for myself, I plumbed the depths of his side pretty well, which is why I've run as far to the right as I can get. fuck feminism. ruins everything.

Final_Paladin · 5時間前

I am anti-SJW since the gaming-press decided to support the vile crusade of the sexist anti-gamer fraud Anita Sarkeesian.

Today I'm glad that happened, because I can see the world more clearly now.

garybuseysawakening · 4時間前

I bought it hook line and sinker until I dealt with the social services system in my country, told my supposed 'friends', and they basically said I was a rapist MRA for even thiking it was a problem. I then started to actualy read the source material on the ideology and saw how batshit it was, especially since I was getting into analytic philosophy at the same time. This was on SA in the early 2000s, and it also in general started there. I'm sorry for helping it.

RobertNAdams · 4時間前

I'm against equality of outcome and for equality of opportunity. That alone is enough to make me a pariah to them.

I believe in the whole Martin Luther King Jr. idea of "judge people not by the color of their skin but by the content of their character" thing and I extend that to all immutable characteristics (gender, sexual orientation, nationality, ethnicity, etc.) They call that "colorblind racism" because supposedly fails to acknowledge racial struggles.

I think women are just as capable as men and don't need any preferential treatment (nor do men, mind) and that supposedly makes me a misogynist.

I think men have it pretty bad in a lot of ways (like 3 domestic violence shelters across the entire U.S., homeless shelters always full, higher rates of suicide, higher rates of workplace deaths, etc.) and that supposedly makes me an MRA Redpiller.

Whenever I bring up an issue, they don't have a sensible argument to counter it. They just call me names and try to make me feel bad. It's bullying and the worst form of social control.

Thankfully, I have the power of not giving a fuck. They only have power over you if you let them. People who would ostracize you because you're accused of being X, Y, or Z are not really your friends. (Friends would at least ask what the hell is going on.) A company that would fire you because you were accused of being racist or whatever isn't a company worth working for. I'd rather be poor and principled than successful and drinking the Socjus Flavor-Aid.

NightriderGnoll · 4時間前

I hadn't exactly been on the side of SJWs from the start, but what fully turned me against them was the Cologne rape incidents and the SJW response to it. Or rather, their non response to it. That was the actual rape culture that SJWs like to harp on about, and they threw those women under the bus because the attackers weren't white. Disgusting.

Devidose · 4時間前

Because it's a cult and uses weasel words and tactics to manipulate groups of people through fear [and ignorance] to serve the agendas of people that seek out and abuse power.

I'm not anti-SJW per se, I'm anti-stupid and dislike deceit above all else. On top of this I've been playing video games for over 30 years so have seen and lived through past attempts to brand gaming as something wrong.

The various times the horseshoe theory has been pointed out regarding how the now Left and then Right act about video games shows that this isn't something that just affects the Left or Right and goes beyond at least that dimension of politics, although it's probable that the majority of SJWs are considered Left rather than Right. They even attempt to make the same arguments as those 20 years ago that games~~/television/movies/radio/books/stories~~ cause violence despite repeated research showing that's not the case. Extending that if they don't cause violent behaviour why would they cause other drastic behaviours as readily?

My family is very rational and scientific so we question everything. What alerted me to GG in the first place was the comment graveyard after TB posted in gaming, something that very likely did the same for others. Why was an entire thread missing thousands of comments and yet still up? The absurdity of the thread created it's own hype through the Streisand effect and became far larger than it likely would have had it just been left to itself. Instead sub moderators were actively attempting to remove discussion which began to reveal the behind the scenes existence of cronyism and collusion that quickly burst forth as a result of the GJP articles that attempted to cover up the matter.

Over the following 2.5 years there has been no change in the research findings whether games cause violence yet the claims persist, as they have done since the 80s. So either the research is wrong, but meta-analyses which check for just that show that's not the case, or the research is being rejected, either willingly or through ignorance. Willingly rejecting accurate research brings me back to the issue of deceit, ignorance covers stupidity. The data is there.

It could easily be a different group acting this way, afterall it has been in the past, SJWs are just the latest brand to come along with their own twist on things while making the same demands as past ones have. The last few years certainly went in their favour on alot of things but more and more people are starting to see just how much snake oil is being sold and taking a stand against it.

mnemosyne-0001 · 7時間前

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DougieFFC · 6時間前

Thanks for your story. I saw those cunts come after my atheist community, and then I saw them come after the video game community, two things I absolutely know should be welcoming to everyone regardless of politics or circumstance of birth. Oh and they fucking fall over themselves to be apologists for militant Islam, which is more toxic towards the causes they claim to be activists for, than any videogame tits or white atheist polemicist.

triggershoes · 4時間前

Atheism plus did it for me. I initially didn't understand it and couldn't see what the fuss was about and then more and more I saw just how extreme and divisive the social justice warriors are. If you look at what went on after the thing with Rebecca Watson and Richard Dawkins you can see the similarity with GamerGate. The SJWs called anyone who didn't agree with them misogynists and went after anyone with different political views and managed to dominate who was allowed at conferences from that point forward. It was basically a power grab and many of the same things happened in GamerGate. They managed to use the issue to set a new tone for events within nerd culture they pushed their bullshit on a much larger scale. We like to say GamerGate won because of Gawker but that isn't the only battle.

kfms6741 · 4時間前

I don't like upper middle class to wealthy hipster pricks telling me what I'm supposed to think.

wrathborne · 3時間前

I lost friends because of some of the SJW shit. Part of some of what they were saying just didn't sit right with me(saying the word tranny is the same as saying n****r according to one of my former friends). Others had started to kind of shift towards this crap to some extent and this combined with other shit going on in my life just made me choose to leave.

I had a good solid 10 years or so of friendship with these people and I do miss them, but this social justice shit contaminated a few of them and I want nothing to do with any of this stuff. This all happened about a year and a half or so after gamegerate began and it was when I was noticing more of the SJW shit popping up into my life.

Combine all this shit with my also being an autistic shitlord and...well yeah. It doesn't work well together. Dont know whats happened in any of their lives, but I hope they're all doing well and are avoiding this SJW shit now.

headless_bourgeoisie · 3時間前

I stumbled upon a Karen Straughn video.

satan_on_speeddial · 2時間前

I grew up under W, where we gave massive tax cuts to people that didn't need them and started a $6 trillion war, then went through the financial crisis which was "fixed" by writing the financial sector a check with taxpayer money. I watched unions get gutted by RTW laws. I watched the rich get richer and while everyone else's wages stagnated and knew that the growing inequality was going to be one of the great challenges of my time.

Then 2012 came, and all of a sudden the most important progressive issues became men spreading their legs too much on the subway, ending white privilege in mass-produced consumer entertainment, and gendersolvent fictionkin being addressed with their preferred pronouns.

So, I guess I became anti-SJW by not having a catastrophically damaged sense of priority.

Ozerh · 2時間前

My enemies are those who seek to silence other. By silence I mean outright through coercion or violence, not because someone disagrees with someone else, even vehemently. It used to be primarily the right and traditional Christians, but that has shifted and here I am. I couldn't give a fuck less about someone's beliefs, politics, oreintation (sexual or therwise), or any other way people are picked apart and categorized these days. I oppose people who actively seek to silence others.

Thanks for sharing your story.

SwearWords · 58分前

Over the years I got sick of the moral crusading & panicking starting long before I heard the term SJW. Then they went after videogames and even worse, gamers. I don't take kindly to people saying I'm something I'm not. Then GG happened and the shit came from game journos. That was even worse cause it was the enthusiast press going after the enthusiasts.

I wouldn't say I'm specifically anti SJW, cause I don't really care for moral busibodies in general. I had the same have the same attitude towards Jack Thompson that I have towards Anita Sarkeesian: don't like 'em cause they're full of shit and leave gaming well enough alone. Basically, I don't like either end of the horseshoe.

MisanthropeNotAutist · 4時間前

I can't speak to a lot of your post, but I just want to get to a couple of things you said.

I still preferred Trump over Hillary I was happy that he won, and If I were an American I would have voted for Trump even during my communist phase. The mods accused me of being a Trump supporter,

They weren't wrong. You are a Trump supporter. They don't have the right to ban you for it, of course. I'm just saying that if you supported Trump over Hillary, you can't exactly make the argument that they were "accusing" you of anything.

I started watching other anti-feminist youtubers like ...Christina Sommers...

Christina Hoff Sommers is a Second-Wave Feminist. She would tell you as much herself, and she refuses to abandon the label. I have a deep respect for her for that, simply because much like this group, she didn't abandon a label because there's a seeming demand to do so, lest they risk being considered "toxic".

WhatTheHex · 4時間前

People calling other people names in the name of SJ without actually doing anything. SJW's are assholes under the pretence that they doing good. But they aren't good, they don't do shit, they use issues to feel moral superior and can go take a wank in the mirror it's disgusting.

ValidAvailable · 4時間前

I don't like people who act like they know whats best for me or tell me what I should think; I'll make my own decisions, as even if they're the wrong ones they're mine to make. The harder people push me on that, the more annoyed I get. I've been like that since I was a little kid, so SJWs are just the latest on the list.

Zmanwarrior · 4時間前

I'm pretty much just against extremism in any form. Except in sports.

Effervesser · 4時間前

For the most part I am liberal and somewhat leftist. I did a lot of pro women and pro LGBT activism.

But the past five or six years have been rough. The left has always had an elitist self righteous side emboldened by the real or perceived stupidity of the Bush Jr administration, but lately it's gotten to a level of tribalism where there is no room for compassion for any position that doesn't go hard left making for condescending authoritarianism that functions like dogma used to beat even other liberals over the head for getting out of line. There are a lot of little petty things that became writings on the wall, which I'll add when I get home, but what got me to become antagonistic was being shunned for daring to even look at dissenting opinion. I think I made a whole post about it, which I'll copy paste here as well, when I get home. (I'm on mobile right now)

Linda_Latina · 3時間前

Getting fed up with identity politics and political correctness, plus race baiting. I became the way I am today from watching Internet Aristocrat's videos

razgriz301 · 3時間前

They became violent. The recent UC Berkeley riots for example.

SparkJavelin · 3時間前

I hate lying and liars. When Wu went on MSNBC, I went full on GG. I felt this thing should never have been introduced to the general audience and this instance was the start of how the ordinary person viewed GG at all. the fact that GG always comes to an argument with facts and/or sources whereas the anti-GG came in with blocking people that they couldn't beat in an argument with facts/sources and went further in as to put them on a block list for lazy socialites to never engage with competent debaters was what made me view the common Social Justice Warrior as something to take down. I like debating! In school, I often engaged with my fellow colleagues in regards to video game lore, theories, what happened, what didn't, things like what Metroid could do next, things like that. To see discussion end with lies and bullshit like namecalling... misogynist, sexist, homophobe, cis... it opened my eyes as to what was going on in the world outside my artist college that HAD NONE OF THAT! everyone in my college was always friendly, didn't care about race, etc... all that mattered was, do you have skills? are you useful to me in my project? good, you're in, do this thing and you get credit... boom, video game done... no one cares about if you're white... (i'm hispanic btw)

RKade8583 · 3時間前

I hate liars and I especially hate being talked down to. I didn't so much turn into an anti-SJW as I always WAS an anti-SJW.

WanderingMacrophage · 2時間前

I first learned of the term SJWs when I saw that ridiculous slam poetry which claimed that Cho Chang from the Harry Potter series' name was two Korean surname cobbled together, when it's clearly a valid Chinese name.

I really became antiSJW when I saw how the Atheism+ imploded, and false accusations and smears where flying all over the place. This was also when most of the Atheism Youtubers started making videos exposing these people.

What really cemented my stance was when I saw footage of the Warren Farrell Protest at the University of Toronto. It was abhorring, since I was familiar with Warren Farrell's work.

jiimji · 2時間前

The witch hunt against Brendan Eich who gave money to an anti gay-marriage law project in California. while i'm pro LGB, trying to get him fired was out of place, this guy created Javascript and firefox and allowed the web to be what it is today.

H_Guderian · 2時間前

When my friends would use SJW issues to shield themselves from being proven wrong. They felt that if they got the moral high ground facts wound stop applying.

gyrobot · 2時間前

When I rediscovered my self esteem, learning that an artist who drew me a lewd picture that got me shamed for did something outright pornographic and realizing that being wuss gets me nowhere in life.

RedheadedRapscallion · 2時間前

Lost faith in god 4 years ago.

Started watching atheist/skeptic youtube personalities.

Gamergate occurs, "Wtf is this insane absurd bullshit? No one wants to keep women out of gaming, what the fuck are they talking about?"

Begin seeing absurd instances of "social justice" See crazy people pretending to be victims while spouting absurd bigotry. Feminism mostly.

Feminism similar in many ways to organized religion, youtube skeptics begin to point out absurdities of 3rd wave feminism/social justice/identity politics.

See Jordan B. Peterson, what he says makes a lot of sense to me. Begin watching his lectures.

And thats where I'm at.

thegreathobbyist · 2時間前

I got on the SJW bandwagon for a little bit but a lot of people's responses to what I had to say whenever I butted in gave me the impression that no one was really bothered by these "issues". Then I stumbled across Jim's Tumblrism's series and now I'm here

my_milkshake · 2時間前

I was fat and needed to lose weight, so I looked online to find resources to help me out. I am scientifically minded, so a calorie counting system was most appealing to me. This method was promoted heavily in r/fatlogic, and in the meantime I saw the fat acceptance movement and loved to make fun of them. The FA movement was closely linked to the general SJW movement, so my disdain for the fat acceptance people extended to the SJWs. The rest is history.

darkharlequinMPH · 2時間前

Being a fan of soccer in Australia and having been burned by the media myself you see how the media likes to twist things to suit their agenda so I was already untrusting of the media and when GamerGate happened it was like opening Pandora's box.

rg57 · 2時間前

Regarding the word "hermaphrodite", there are no such humans (although some do adopt this label, incorrectly). Intersex isn't an SJW term... it's actually correct, covering the many ways people are born without the usual set of genitalia or genes.

rg57 · 2時間前

Thanks for your interesting story. It's yet another data point showing that most people end up this way after being shown what feminism and progressivism is really all about, from the inside, and not being able to stomach the hypocrisy and lies.

_AnObviousThrowaway_ · 2時間前

I remember in I think it was 9th or 10th grade our french teacher brought us to this event on "cultural diversity day" at our school. As I'm sure everyone here knows what that sort of language means, it was just like what you would expect. I knew pretty much nothing about politics at that time, but there was just this air of infuriating smugness to the presenters. I think that was what let me know something was wrong, that air of moral superiority these people take whenever they open their mouths. I saw it again a little bit after that. I was sitting at a lunch table with one of my friends and a few of her friends. And one of them mentions a local coach that got fired because he touched a girl's hair. I mentioned in passing that that seemed a little extreme, and this girl just went off on me. Ended up getting called a rape apologist and all the usual nonsense. My friend, who considers herself a feminist but still has her brain intact apologized afterwards for it, but I just couldn't stop thinking about what would make a person act like that.

The next part is sort of embarrassing looking back in hindsight, but for the sake of honesty I'm going to tell it anyway. ~October 2015ish, I start following the presidential election. Instantly locked on to Donald Trump. He just seemed so absurd... but he just kept going. I couldn't look away. Eventually found /r/the_donald on reddit. Maybe a month later I saw Milo's interview on Dave Rubin's show and everything more or less exploded from there.

liquid_j · 1時間前

when the progressive stack fractured and fucked occupy wallstreet. I've fucking despised "progressive" identity politics since then.

Ben--Affleck · 1時間前

I noticed western self-flagellation after 9/11 coming from liberals... I actually liked watching Jon Stewart, but once I realized he and his fans were utterly dishonest about the motivation for terrorism, I started rethinking my own behavior... watching shows that confirm my preexisting biases and strawmanning my opposition to make them seem dumber and less morally sound than they really were. Started arguing with liberals about certain issues because I didn't like the "nose in the air" attitude coming from people I knew were getting their first-hand news from satire news shows with a liberal bend. Since I'm progressive myself and live in Montreal, a very progressive city, there really weren't any conservatives to argue with anyways...

Fast forward... cegep (pre-uni for Canadians)... the anti-semitism amongst progressive people and the hiphop crowd was so bad I had to hide my middle name David. The anti-westernism (specifically the US) was just as strong and irrational.

Fast forward... uni in physics... that's when Atheism+ was starting. Was heavily involved in that debacle. Used to post on Pharyngula... quickly learned feminists were batshit bigots and there were many men willing to lie about the most common sensical facts in order to get their feminist brownie points. Started doubting the feminist narrative, or rather discovering what it actually was.

Been fighting SJWs ever since at every gradient of SJWism. Was here for GamerGate... but that was expected. They did the same thing to academia a while back and the feminist movement during the 2000s.

Elinim · 1時間前

I'm Asian, so by default I'm the enemy of both fat left democrats and far right republicans

AMS0C · 1時間前

I've found out about this sjw crap in college after reading a biased paper in my psychology class about how the fema workers during the New Orleans hurricane Katrin disaster are said to be treating the black people in New Orleans like "jews in a concentration camp" and "slave in Egypt".

The paper's writer was agreeing with the fema works are nazis narrative. While the reality was that the Bush administration put more money in fema to relieve terrorist attacks rather than natural disasters. The fema worker were horribly prepared and it was all government incompetence and not racism.

After reading that paper i began reading more about this and found out sjw identity politics and philosophies are infesting everything for the worst.

KazuoKuroi · 1時間前

I was a reactionary to my step mother and my father, who raised me and who were heavily conservative. So I adopted the liberal agenda until I was essentially a full communist - went to China and thought it was the greatest place ever (I've been back since, and it is a good country, if not government-wise and its people are good and hard working) but truth be told I was blind to the fact the government is just as bad if not worse than the US government.

I have a wonderful friend who snapped me out of it.

I don't support feminism, but I did vote Sanders in the open primary in my state, I voted Rand Paul for the Republicans, and then I voted Johnson in the election. I am definitely a centrist, split down the middle but I radically protect free speech even if it's a white supremacist saying "Death to all the sand monkeys, Jews and blacks" or something like that. I may not respect or like their opinion but free speech is reciprocal - can't have it both ways.

kamon123 · 1時間前

Mine came from looking up "racism against white people" and "sexism against men" on google out of genuine curiosity of example and found nothing but sjws using the prejudice+power line back in 2010 which made no sense to me as nothing about the definition states that and the definition that's in the dictionary makes it very possible for the idea of anti-white racism and anti-male sexism. A few months later of doing the same search I looked up this prejudice+power stuff and found tumblrinaction which helped paint the picture of why I was finding such illogical results. I mean before then I had an anti-sjw bent but not really actualized because I would call out people for saying (insert race here) or women still didn't have equal rights and I'd ask for examples which usually ended in silence.

Mouon · 1時間前

You posted this on TIA Discussion.

Okhu · 1時間前

I watched all my friends go to college and suddenly become super offended about everything. And it kind of went downhill from there.

Confirmation_Biased · 1時間前

Atheism +

mostly_pixels · 1時間前

I used to be active on Tumblr before it transformed into the hellscape we all know and loathe today.

I watched my friends on Tumblr buy into feminism hook, line and sinker (because feminism is all about equal rights 'n shiet right? who wouldn't want to make the world a better place?). I ditched religion shortly before this so I was hesitant to join a new group without fact checking everything. To cut a long story short, I tried to prove all their arguments and found none of them could hold water.

Strike One!

Then I came across this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0) and what the guy says at the 2:27 mark broke my heart. But surely that was an isolated incident, right? Feminists are tolerant of opposing viewpoints, right? If they were I would not have found more videos and stories like that.

Strike Two!

Then the demonization of people over things they have no control over (straight white men). I've been picked on for being gay for all my life, and there's no way in hell I would wish that on anyone else.

Strike Three! You're a fucking cult!

SpiralOmega · 1時間前

I've been an atheist since as far back as I can remember. My parents aren't the religious types, although my mom is a catholic, so I never saw any reason to believe in god. I was extremely and cripplingly shy for a long time so free expression is something I've always believed in. These two aspects combined are why I've always been skeptic about most things I can't see or feel for myself.

A few years ago I got into youtube atheist channels, mostly because I enjoyed seeing the worst of religious apologia get taken down and just to laugh at creationists. Then the infiltration of atheism began to creep up but I wasn't so entrenched into it that I really took notice. I more or less stopped watching those channels but mostly because the arguments wer getting old. Creationists were still dumb and the muslim apologists shouting terrorists aren't really practicing islam correctly aren't gonna change so why bother. I ended up coming back to this side of outube more recently because the islamist apologia has reached peaks of smug San Francisco levels.

Another big factor that led to me being in opposition of SJW's and that relates to me going back to the youtube atheist well was the blatant corruption of the games media. For me this started a bit before gamergate when the Devil May Cry reboot was coming out and the media slammed fans of the franchise for not liking the changes to this in name only reboot. They repeatedly strawmanned fans, reducing counter arguments to "muh white hair" and generally shitting on fans. They had people praising the game for being so much simpler to learn and how much deeper its story and characters were compared to the original series and praising the widdle independent studio who dared to make AAA games in defiance of logic, despite all theit titles being mediocrely received and selling poorly which should have gotten the company shut down long before they got their hands on DMC to begin with.

It quickly became clear the most important thing to these journos was praising Ninja Theory for being an independent studio and dumbing down the gameplay to ridiculous levels while praising themselves for how good they suddenly got at the game and smelling the farts of the ham fisted anti-capitalism message and poorly written script and characters that had really nothing to do with the original series.

All this spiralled down into the bubble of SJW smugdom and feminism drivel these people now spout in defiance of logic and reason. I didn't care about feminism and its radical ideas untilit started infesting video games and free thinking so here I am. I do what I can do, I speak because free speech is the most important thing in the world to me.

urbn · 1時間前

Back in 1999 - 2000 (Y2K) I moved to Florida to check it out and share a place with a friend who I had known online for like 2 years.

I moved out there. We were a couple of dirty poor punk rockers, so we decided to fill our place with a bunch of other people to cut down on rent (about 11 of us total). We were all into social justice. We went to protests, did work at the book store / community center and all that shit. We started hanging out with the food not bombs group in the area. I didn't really like them from the start; but you know, being a community and all you take the bad with the good, plus it seemed like a good way to meet more people fighting the fight like us!

At the time I was "freegan" meaning you're vegan unless it's free. Basically when you pay for food you're vegan, but you'll eat any food that would be wasted (putting your politics aside so food is not wasted). Since 99% of my food was garbage / waste food most of the time I was eating junk food, fast food, crispy cream, etc.

Now here is the thing about food not bombs. They say their goal is to feed people, specifically the poor and those in need. But it isn't. It's to push food politics. All food has to be vegi, some places push full vegan. So any of the food that wasn't vegan (most of it) was thrown away. They didn't want to offer non-vegan food. This really pissed me off. They didn't even give the food away to food shelf's, they just tossed it because it was the wrong food people should be eating

I tried getting them to go just vegi, or to give the food away, but no fucking chance. If I was anti-vegan I was a problem, regardless of offering all my time for free. People really started to have problems with me and I was shunned by the food not bombs people. This wouldn't have been a big deal but a number of people in the house were really getting involved with the group and friendly (and dating) so it caused issues in the house as well.

I tried talking with one of the co-ops about getting non-vegan food so we could give it to a shelter that food not bombs got their foods from and this caused major issues. I had become shunned, welcomed . Shit escalated by me trying to bring awareness to them wasting a crap ton of food but it didn't matter. I was out numbered and didn't think the same as them. So I left and went back to the midwest.

This was when I realized that people with extreme opinions no matter how fucking stupid they were would always have followers who follow without question. That extremist groups who only accept followers who have undying faith never solve problems. They push ideals under the mask of helping people and I did not want any part of them.

SomeReditor38641 · 1時間前

How Did u become anti-SJW?

I listened to what SJWs said. Then I observed how they acted. That's all it took really.

RPN68 · 51分前

I am not anti social justice. In fact, I'm old enough to remember when social justice was primarily something being preached (literally) by the Catholic and other Christian churches, and was generally despised by progressives as a hidden agenda for evangelism.

What I am, however, is the sworn enemy of anyone promoting an agenda of repressing freedom of expression and authoritarianism. Unfortunately, that seems to be many on the un-liberal left today.

pldl · 50分前

It's because I disliked religion. I still do, to.

When SJW's started to become a thing (I think I called it "extreme feminists" at the time), not SJW), I hated it because it had the feel of a religion. Talking to people about certain topics was like that was like talking to my Christian cousins about religion, it felt wrong.

Grailums · 27分前

Simply put I'm against Western social justice because, for the majority of it, it is not about helping those who are in need as it may have been fifteen or twenty years ago (and even then it may not have even been helping people in need). Social justice, in western culture, has turned into a "destroy whitey!" type of movement.

The idea that fifteen percent of the world's population should feel guilty that it has a firm grasp on civilized society is complete and utter bullshit. Sweden, being ninety percent white a few years ago, was a beacon of civilization and what all countries should strive to be like, same with Denmark I believe.

That, however, has changed with the inclusion of "diversity". Natural diversity is fine. Natural diversity should be encouraged. Forced diversity for the sake of thinning out white people, however, is called genocide.

I'm anti-SJW in the west because they advocate for white genocide, and I cannot get behind that.

brunocar · 27分前

i grew up playing doom and slowly learning politics 'n stuff, so i knew about all the backlash doom got, it coming specially from the religious folk, here in latino america we just started getting the same bullshit a decade late, so i also so that stuff unfold myself.

then i heard some "left leaning" people were hating on games just like the christians did, thats when i learned about gamer gate and saw how radicalized the feminist movement had become and stoped calling myself a feminist.

as the shit storm that was gamer gate happened i was becoming a hardcore gaming thanks to getting my first personal PC, so i became involved in the discussion and thats how i got here.

ARealLibertarian · 6分前

How Did u become anti-SJW?

It was pretty inevitable in my case, I spent decades fighting the authoritarian right and standing against their bullshit. I'm not going to turn & burn down everything I built simply because some of the people who also had problems with them were more concerned with the "authoritarian right" part than the "authoritarian right" part.

I was against segregation when it was the far-right pushing for it, I'm not going to support it when the far-left is pushing for it.

I opposed censorship when it was the "think of the children, 'merica love it or leave it" brigade doing it, I'm not going to support it when the "think of the women, fuck 'merica" brigade is doing it.

I was against making laws based on what the Christian Taliban says Jesus wants, I'm not going to support making laws based on what the original Taliban says Mohammad wants.

I don't care why they want to stomp a boot on my face, I care that they want to stomp a boot on my face.

And that's apparently too hard for these idiots to grasp, they think that the reason right-wing authoritarians collapsed is because everyone decided to become left-wing authoritarians rather then everyone getting so fed up with authoritarians bothering them that they all got together to destroy the authoritarians currently causing the most trouble.

And of course the stupid parts of the alt-right/new right/whatever you want to call them are now thinking that SOCJUS is collapsing because everyone decided to become right-wing authoritarians. It's not like the trend is that authoritarians eventually unite everyone against them and get put down or anything! /s

pineconecandle · 3分前

Apply for citizenship to become an American and speak up. We need some Arabs who think like you. There's a bunch of Asians and a few black people speaking up but I've never seen seen an anti-SJW Arab. That would make the left-wing media's head explode and it would be fun to see.

Steer clear of that crazy fuck Alex Jones and InfoWars (his website) though. He's a money grubbing shock jock and lies through his teeth. 80% of the shit he says he makes up on the spot and is complete bullshit. The rest of them that I recognize are cool.

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