I know there's a lot of women hating incels in the group, but what about non-women hating incels? Are they bad too? Trust me, someone can be incel just because they're ugly. I know I'm an incel, due to the fact that I can make friends, male and female, and even maintain friendships. Just no woman finds me attractive.

So I'm going to lay down some points, and I really hope you guys can debunk inceldom...

I hate how average/ugly people are often fed BS about how things other than looks matter most in dating. They don't. Here's some advice that's commonly given and i'll break it down:

1) Be confident. This one works for the good looking people who can get away with saying or doing almost anything they wish and no one will protest. An unattractive person tries to be confident and speaks up or act up - quickly gets shut down. Whether it be trying to be the life of the part or approaching a female - he'll soon get put in his place. Having confidence usually leads to rejection or friendzone for unappealing males. Not to mention, after a few such experiences there won't be much confidence left in the tank.

2) Be yourself - again this one only works for the good looking people. Most people have normal personalities - they're not rude and at the same time they're not super exciting. So unless you're naturally super funny or interesting or engaging, i don't see how being yourself gets you anywhere.

3) Lower your standards - most of the people who're unsuccessful with dating are being realistic - they don't go for the 8's and 9's, but they still want someone they'd find at least a little attractive. Attraction is a core component of a relationship, it's the most important thing. So telling someone to drop their standards so low that they won't feel attraction for the person is setting them up for a relationship that won't last long.

4) Personality > looks. This couldn't be further from the truth. No matter how great your personality is, if the attraction isn't there, it won't matter. There are some exceptions, but they're just that - exceptions.

5) The right person will come along. We don't live in a fantasy world. No one will magically fall into your path if you're universally unappealing. People will only notice you if you look good and will be more willing to talk to you and get to know you.

6) Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. It's really not. You don't see stereotypical 8's and 9's chasing stereotypical 6's because they somehow find them amazing.