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[–]FauladiSingh 52 points53 points54 points  (36 children)
I am from Western UP and my family owns sugarcane fields. I am saying it today that BJP is going to sweep UP elections. And it is going to win rural seats as well as urban seats as well as seats where trader community dominates (worst hit by demonitisation).
You know why? Because Reddit and English media would want you to believe that the average person in the hinterland is in dire distress and cursing Modi. I talked to people in my village and you know what everyone was saying? At least Modi is trying. It may be a failed policy (which can not be ascertained yet) but even then they credit him for doing something. One old man even told me that he couldn't blame Modi if the common man was willingly helping the corrupt launder money by depositing their black money in their accounts. Our local real estate developer got raided by IT a week back and that something different is happening is all for see barring the determined blind.
People post retarded threads on this sub. One guy did an AMA about how his father and entire trading community converted black money to white and to every single probing question replies that he is not sure, that he doesn't know while the rest circlejerk over the thread. And they all then conclude that demonitization is a failure and that the common man will teach Modi a lesson.
Save this comment and let us have a discussion post UP election results.
[–]rahulthewallUttarakhand 14 points15 points16 points  (0 children)
My point was not to showcase that the UP polls would be a referendum on demonetisation. It was to point out that if people are truly pissed at this move, they have to show it at the polls. That's the best way to give feedback in a democracy.
If people are happy with BJP, so be it. I would have no complaints.
[–]despod 15 points16 points17 points  (8 children)
So the watsapp PR is working in UP. Digital India is a success mitrooon..
[–]santouryuu244 7 points8 points9 points  (7 children)
So digital PR is prevalent in rural areas.that means the rural india too can go cashless and are pretty well off,right?
That makes the whole cashless shtick pretty well thought,or not?
[–]asecondhandlife 1 point2 points3 points  (5 children)
whatsapp isn't the same as a reliable payment system (wechat in comparison is, though)
IOW, PR is necessary when the actions speak a harsh truth.
[–]santouryuu244 -1 points0 points1 point  (4 children)
if people have whatsapp,they can also have PaytoModi(popularly called PayTM) and UPI,right? reliable payment gateways(well relatively reliable) are there,the thing is people don't have access to smartphones to access these(apart from ussd,but it's not that convenient).and then people say that digital PR like whatsapp actually plays a role in rural India
[–]asecondhandlife -1 points0 points1 point  (3 children)
the thing is people don't have access to smartphones to access these
yeah, can't argue with strawmen, it's one of the weaknesses of not being a strawman myself.
[–]santouryuu244 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
so all the people have access to smartphones?it's a fact,just look at the facts and figure.smartphone penetration is not that high,especially in rural areas and it's what the anti-demonetisation crowd has been saying.
and you can argue against a strawman by refuting the strawman,if you actually know what the term means.this useless discrediting an argument without any argument or logic is a classic trolling
edit:here
maybe you should also lookup what a strawman is
[–]asecondhandlife 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
i said absolutely nothing about lack of smartphones. otoh, i implicitly accepted smartphone spread by mentioning the wide use of whatsapp. your strawman was the imputing someone else's argument to me.
i guess strawmen don't have the self-consciousness to understand the nature of their argument.
[–]santouryuu244 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
you got in the argument later,my first comment already implied the basic truth of smartphone penetration being low.and although you may have implicitly accepted smartphones spread,but the actual fact is smartphone penetration is low,no matter your argument.
but anyway,your point is valid.do strawman dream of straw-sheep? maybe we are all strawman,waiting for the fire to illuminate out straws
[–]drakshadowI disagreed with randia and now I am a bhakt. 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Argument khatam.
[–]kash_if 3 points4 points5 points  (3 children)
Absolutely not going to happen. I am in India right now and touring rural UP. Whoever is telling you this is either only interacting with a limited subset or has a perception bias.
Let's come back to this comment after the elections. I will double gild you if you're right. From what I am seeing, demonetisation is going fuck BJP in the state elections. They were cruising earlier and doing even better in the first week after announcement. But not anymore.
[–]gcs8A people ruled by traders will eventually be reduced to beggars 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
They did well in Gujarat and Maharashtra local body elections.
[–]kash_if 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Quite soon after the move. As the days pass people get unhappy. Voters are fickle.
[–]hummusporotta 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
this is a good comment, while I think modi is an idiot and enjoy the jokes on this sub. High chance you are right.
[–]Chutiyapaconnoisseur 9 points10 points11 points  (3 children)
English media would want you to believe that the average person in the hinterland is in dire distress and cursing Modi
Actually the average person in the hinterland is in distress, but the last part about "blaming Modi" is something you just made up on the fly. Nobody has claimed that the poor are blaming Modi. People are claiming that the rural poor are getting shafted by demontisation, and they are. Nobody is denying that, not even bhakts.
It may be a failed policy (which can not be ascertained yet)
Actually it can. It has monumentally failed. And it was predicted as such from the start. It should surprise nobody.
People post retarded threads on this sub.
Most threads on this sub deals with the fallout of demonetisation. You can always cherrypick one which is easy to attack, but the vast majority deal with the negative fallout. That can't be unspun, even if you're obviously not liking to be reminded of how much of a shitshow the policy has been.
I am saying it today that BJP is going to sweep UP elections.
How is this revelatory? Most of us have been saying since forever that Modi has no real political rival. You're acting as if everyone in this sub has been acting as if this is the end of Modi. In reality, what we've been saying is that A) he has no rivals and B) demonetisation is an epic failure.
Both can be true at the same time. And both are true.
[–]santouryuu244 4 points5 points6 points  (2 children)
but the last part about "blaming Modi" is something you just made up on the fly. Nobody has claimed that the poor are blaming Modi
Actually,the person he replied to did say that,so there's that.and while that may not include you or others,it does include some people.So i don't know how you can claim that the OP made this up "on the fly"
Actually it can.
How?we don't have any proper numbers yet.everyone claims this is a negatively drastic step,but then they also say it's results are known immediately.even if you assume it's in MMS's words,"monumental mismanagement",it's still monumental and the full effects can't be depicted in a short period
You can always cherrypick one which is easy to attack
It was at the top.and many others like tthat have been
[–]Chutiyapaconnoisseur 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
we don't have any proper numbers yet
[–]santouryuu244 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Not really.you are trying to portray one month's economic activities as being the case for 2 quarters,or even a year.a drop of 10% points in one month seems far less worse than the estimate of the halving of growth that some people claimed.And November was supposed to be the worst month,i doubt this drop will remain constant through december and january.
and the Tax collections,which will be the primary indicator of any gain from this,still have a long way to go before being declared.
[–]torvoraptor 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
I think demonetization is a failure and still think Modi will sweep UP.
Can't say if it's a good thing or not, there's no good option. A little failure would be good to reign in his ego, but UP under SP/BSP is going to mean another half decade of bullshit.
[–]Chutiyapaconnoisseur 9 points10 points11 points  (3 children)
I have no idea why he mixed the UP elections. It's nonsense. He's creating a strawman where he is trying to portray a fake consensus on this sub where supposedly everyone thinks Modi would lose.
While in reality, almost all of us have been in agreement that Modi has no real rival. He's mostly angry that demonetisation has been a daily reminder that Modi's shine as a skilled leader is seriously, if not permanently, dented. He is still a skilled politician, but that is a different thing from being a good leader.
[–]kalmuah 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
In one month you declared that demonetization is a failure, and then when someone doesn't go with your narrative, he is creating a fake consensus? This is why donald trump won, leftist liberals think only their criticism matters, others wont
[–]Chutiyapaconnoisseur 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
You're mixing politics and economics. I've said on this sub for a long time that I expect Modi to dominate Indian politics until at least 2024. UP elections is no aberration from that.
But just because he does well politically doesn't mean that demonetisation has been a success economically. To me, the world isn't political. Something which may be good politically(like bloating the budget for freebies) may not be good economically.
Demonetisation is a disaster economically. Whether it pays off politically or not is irrelevant to me. I care about the facts on the ground.
[–]kalmuah 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Like I said in one month without any proper Data you came to the conclusion that demonetization is a failure, because few people died in ATM queues? With all the cash circulation now that it is accounted, a ton of possibilities can happen. GDP may grow slow this quater, but it will rapidly pace up in the second quater specially when GST is going to roll. A lot of various other factors can come into play. So unless we have a long period of time, I dont see how people started criticising something this huge within a month of its implementation. Ek mahine mein toh bc main yeh decide ni kar pata kaunsa mobile kharidu, but in month arm-chair economists decided its a failure
[–]TemptNotTheBladeModi making India grate again with his speeches[S] 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I agree with a lot of what you are saying. I think as of now, there isn't really enough of a backlash to affect the elections. However, I don't think that means people haven't been adversely affected.
Also, if you go through the profile of the AMA guy he was a huge supporter of the demonetisation for the first 15-20 days. I am not sure what changed for him.
[–]coolirisme 15 points16 points17 points  (1 child)
This is what is actually happening. Poor people are suffering but they are sleeping better at night thinking that at least the corrupt got fucked in the arse and someone is at least trying. The entitled folks of /r/india in no way represent the average people of the country.
[–]dlawoff -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
The people on this sub don't know shit. Competely ivory tower folk.
[–]santouryuu244 5 points6 points7 points  (2 children)
Thanks.i thought i was a deluded fanboy just because everyone here told me that.
By now,i can list a ton of things that were done badly with this move.But the problem is the opposition,especially here in this sub over exaggerate it and remove any balance from the narrative.
But your post has regained my confidence that this move isn't "nazism"
[–]vivek2396 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Exactly. I feel exactly like you. This place is becoming an echo chamber.
[–]neoCasio 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
PR is one thing, doing something sincere with no regards to PR is entirely different. If majority wants a whatsapp govt so be it.
[–]RohanMenon 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I am from Western UP and my family owns sugarcane fields. I am saying it today that BJP is going to sweep UP elections.
If this is true (and I believe you) Indians are truly fucked. A set back in UP is the only thing that might stay Modi's hand when he (and his inner circle) think up more of these crazy ideas. A massive win in UP will see him bring many more such "short term pain" schemes and it is a long way to 2019.
A check in UP might make Modi do more planning on any more "initiatives" he has planned for the next two years. The real problem though is not Modi, it is that the Opposition is in complete disarray. In a country with a capable opposition, Modi's arrogance would have been exposed and exploited for electoral gain. Here the opposition chutiyas can do nothing but crack feeble jokes (and will probably keep losing elections).
[–]hsnk42 -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
RemindMe! 2020 "Did Modi get routed?"
[–]spaceman2121 6 points7 points8 points  (1 child)
Bhai UP elections are in 2017.
[–]themaxviwePatel > Nehru 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
He's talking about General elections in 2019
[–]dlawoff -1 points0 points1 point  (0 children)
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