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[–]fulufu115https://myanimelist.net/animelist/Fulufu?status=2 584 ポイント585 ポイント  (100子コメント)

Damn, the old video quality was already sub par to begin with (especially when compared to other services like netflix) and this is a pretty big downgrade on top of that, hopefully it will be reverted. Ive actually been hoping for a video quality improvement for a while as visual noise can get quite distracting, especially during dark scenes or big sakuga moments with lots of movement.

[–]NapClub 324 ポイント325 ポイント  (66子コメント)

this puts their quality below that of a lot of totally free pirated sites.

i feel bad for the people who subscribe to the service now that they just lost so much quality!

[–]Tittiez 187 ポイント188 ポイント  (43子コメント)

Most of those streaming sites are just reencoding HorribleSubs anyway, and since HS just straight rips CR video and subs, the video you see on them will be affected by this as well.

[–]eldarium 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (29子コメント)

Free of charge at least :^)

[–]sddsddcphttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/sddsdd 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Illegal streaming site user: "I can't fucking believe this downgrade in video quality! I didn't pay literally nothing each month for this kind of bullshit service!"

[–]0mnicioushttp://myanimelist.net/profile/Omnicious 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Some illegal streaming site users donate to said site.

[–]boisdeb 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (16子コメント)

That's worse.

[–]hyperblasterhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/naccenti 74 ポイント75 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sounds unfair, but that's how CR started too.

[–]boisdeb 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, actually I regret like my holier-than-thou comment.

[–]TheDerpedhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDerped 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Its always hilarious whenever the PR accounts here for CR try to deny their earlier activites. Well, not exactly denying that they hosted fansubs but the hilarious bit was claiming they always intended to go legit and they weren't trying to make money off of it in the beginning.

[–]the_orange_wizard 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's pretty lame that we get the short end of the stick for doing things legally

[–]herkz 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Legal streams were always worse quality than fansubs. Just CR used to be watchable so no one cared.

[–]NapClub 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (5子コメント)

yeah... i mean some of the better community based pirate sites have been around since way before there was ever a legal option...

but it does suck for the people who paid and now have inferior service. the subs are even worse sometimes.

[–]sumiyoshikai 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

you do realise that crunchyroll started off as a pirate site, and took with it a lot of the best fansubbers to work with ?

[–]Hatredammohttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/Hatredammo 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Vote with your wallet and cancel your sub if you think this is unacceptable. They'll just fuck you in the ass even further in the future if you don't

[–]TheCodingHuman 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Highjacking the top most reply to say that a Crunchyroll representative has replied to this thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/5yv8a7/crunchyroll_has_reduced_bitrate_by_4070_damaging/deta74o/

[–]TheDerpedhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDerped 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He hasn't been very helpful though. As another user summarised well, he's trying to sweep this all under the veil of "butthurt pirates". Paying subscribers are angry too m8

[–]paracelsus23 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Currently a paying subscriber. If they want to give low quality streams to free customers that's fine (or at least it doesn't concern me). But this is unacceptable for people who are paying.

[–]VincentBlack96http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Vincent 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just imagine watching Hand Shakers with less quality...

The horror!!

[–]Mage_of_Shadows 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

tbh it would probably be better if you don't know what is going on now

[–]Oxiboy 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (23子コメント)

They should just use the x265 HEVC format If theyre gonna do this. You cant even see that much quality drop when its an animation.

I have "rented" Cowboy Bebop in x265 and boy the quality was awesome and with only 130mb~ per episode.

[–]SENPAI_NOTICES_YOU 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (7子コメント)

H265 would mean sacrificing hardware acceleration for most users. Especially on older hardware/mobile where it is so desperately needed.

[–]herkz 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They'd have to pay a licensing fee then, and the quality would probably not even be any better since I doubt whoever is in charge of encoding at CR has any experience with H265.

[–]AlyoshaV[S] 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They'd have to pay a licensing fee then

and in addition to distribution fee, HEVC licensing is a clusterfuck right now; H.264 had one patent pool but HEVC has two + multiple companies that refuse to join a pool, and you need a license from all of them

[–]Daiz 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (3子コメント)

H.265/HEVC isn't a magic bullet here. For one, the compression improvements it brings aren't even that great right now for higher bitrates. It would improve the situation at these piss-poor bitrates that CR is now switching to, but chances are that if CR thinks this is fine they'd likely use HEVC as an excuse to cut them down even further, which would likely lead to the video not getting any notably better.

But it's quite unlikely that CR would start using H.265 in the first place because the patent licensing situation surrounding it is a huge, incredibly expensive mess.

Also, in case you're wondering why I'm saying H.265 wouldn't be that great "right now" - a video format is like a box of tools. Encoding a video is like being told to build a house with said tools. Something like x264 has had a really long time to get familiar and experienced with the tools that H.264 provides. In comparison, while H.265 brings in a lot of new advanced tools, it'll take quite some time for encoding software like x265 to get proficient at using these tools in an efficient manner. This is why for a good while x265 was actually producing worse results than x264 while taking longer initially. Things have improved since then but for high bitrate scenarios the difference is still pretty minimal, and encoding time wise might even be worse.

[–]Tittiez 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Realistically, when you compare HEVC to x264 with equal bitrates, and especially for animation, HEVC looks slightly worse. So yeah, they could reduce bitrates and then use HEVC, but that's still not as good as higher bitrate x264 videos.

It's worth mentioning that non-english simulcasting sites have supported bitrates MUCH higher than CR for a long time now. AnimeOnDemand, for example, has 25mbps+ encodes. Shows you how far behind CR is when their old settings for 1080p were only 3mbps.

[–]herkz 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

AoD has a max bitrate of 40mbps, which is what a Japanese BD has. So yeah, their quality is multiple times better than CR, and people will have no problem playing it on a toaster either (though the file will be pretty big, lol).

[–]powerplayer6https://www.myanimelist.net/animelist/powerplayer5 243 ポイント244 ポイント  (60子コメント)

I've noticed it too, Demi-chan episode 8 in 720p is 322 MB, while episode 10 in 1080p (!) is 239 MB. For comparison, 1080p used to be around 540 MB before, which is almost double (!) that of the current 1080p episodes!

EDIT: Fuck my math skills, the old used to be more than double the size of current ones.

[–]fordanguyenhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/fordanguyen 194 ポイント195 ポイント  (38子コメント)

should have seen this coming after they killed fansubs, clearly anime was next.

[–]herkz 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Actually this will probably bring fansubs back, since there's now an extremely good reason to put the subs on a TV encode (or an encode from other digital sources that no one really rips).

[–]notbob- 97 ポイント98 ポイント  (10子コメント)

[–]Chariotwheelhttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/Frontalbrise 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This actually a pretty good illustration how the world looks to me when I take my glasses off.

[–]cbagainststupidity 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey, that's actually a good way to describe myopia. Now I know what I should answer when people ask what being short sighted feel like.

I see the world in 144p.

[–]herkz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, that's from 21 and comparing it to 22.

[–]notbob- 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not sure that's correct, as this is a screenshot from [Asenshi-GJM] 21 and the credits are slightly different from the comparison photo.

[–]herkz 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, actually you're right. I forgot that someone else was able to rip the old video.

[–]BUT_MUH_HUMAN_RIGHTS 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I find it amazing that the letters stay just as sharp.

[–]notbob- 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (1子コメント)

In this cut, the wolf silhouette fades in and out, moves slightly, shakes sometimes, etc. But the text stays exactly still. Still images are easier for compressed video to display in high quality for obvious reasons (the video encoder can just copy what it rendered from the previous frame and display it again).

[–]PeekyChew 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The subs aren't part of the video, they're put on at the user end so you can have different languages or turn them off. They're the same quality regardless of what video settings you choose.

[–]Toa_of_Gallifreyhttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/Toa_of_Gallifrey 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Are HorribleSubs hardsubbed? If they're softsubbed, all that has to be done is cleave the mkv and mux the subs with a better video source.

[–]herkz 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's harder than you think since the timing might not line up. I imagine people will start doing this though, yes.

[–]Toa_of_Gallifreyhttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/Toa_of_Gallifrey 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah it'd require a bit of retiming. The source being a second or so off sync with the subs is easy to mend on Aegisubs or Subedit but if the TV source has the sponsor card after the OP/whenever they decide to put it, I can see it taking more work. It's not much of a problem for a single episode but when there's this many anime coming out at once, it'd be more time-consuming.

[–]herkz 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Exactly. It's not trivial, but it's not that hard either if the work is split up some.

[–]redicalus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah they are softsubbed, since that's how Crunchyroll offers them. (HorribleSubs just takes the videos and uploads them as is)

[–]Araneatrox 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Horriblesubs are softsubbed. It makes it difficult to use Chromecast with them unfortunately.

[–]JazzKatCritic 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (13子コメント)

should have seen this coming after they killed fansubs, clearly anime was next.

But, anime was a mistake?

Good-guy Crunchyroll?????

[–]anguishCAKEhttp://myanimelist.net/profile/anguishCAKE 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (12子コメント)

"So this is how weeberty dies... with thunderous applause."

[–]TheDerpedhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDerped 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (7子コメント)

It's treason, then.

[–]Chariotwheelhttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/Frontalbrise 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (6子コメント)

"From my point of view both pictures look the same."

[–]TheDerpedhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDerped 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (5子コメント)

WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST

[–]anguishCAKEhttp://myanimelist.net/profile/anguishCAKE 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's over Sasuke, I have the BD rips!

[–]Mage_of_Shadows 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't like memesubs, they are course and ruff and it gets everywear

[–]CallsignLancer 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll try reducing the quality. That's a good trick!

[–]blazerthedragon 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Demi-chan episode 9 in 720p was also 322MB, episode 10 in 720p is 141MB. I watched a bit of the new episode and I could tell straight away that it looked awful.

[–]Dragon_Fistinghttp://myanimelist.net/profile/gialight 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

For reference purpose you'll find good encodes of a 20 minute video at 1080p pushing 1 GB+

[–]asdgxcvdfw1 193 ポイント194 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Wow, thats pretty massive quality loss

[–]define_irony 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (6子コメント)

It's crazy how noticeable it is just on my computer screen. I usually watch CR on a 50' TV and this bitrate drop is going to absolutely kill my eyes.

[–]powerplayer6https://www.myanimelist.net/animelist/powerplayer5 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's noticeable even on my ~17 inch, 1366x768, dirty from cum stains dust, shitty monitor. I can't imagine watching it on a large TV.

[–]Fisionnhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/X-V 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have a generic 1080p 22' monitor. The new releases look like an upscaled 480p video from YouTube.

[–]Kaffarovhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Kaffarov 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

My poor 4k monitor really doesent like it q_q

[–]JazzKatCritic 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

QUALITY

Thy name is Crunchyroll.

[–]Mage_of_Shadows 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

C̨͟r͏̧u̴n̴c̡͜h͡y̶rǫl̴l̵

[–]Terrasq 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I see Crunchyroll is wasting no time in giving me more reasons to hate them this year. They took their already not great video service that people have been bitching about since CR went legal and made it worse.

How the fuck are they going to stop pirating if they offer such a shitty service? I'd rather wait for BD rips to come out and watch it then than pay for CR to shaft me like this.

[–]Daiz 200 ポイント201 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I made the comparison images linked by the OP - you can see a few more here. It's also easier to compare them here than with just plain imgur links.

Note that these new video encoding settings have been in the making for over a year already, and they've looked this bad from the get-go. It's been even pointed out to people in CR how terrible it looks, and they said they'd make sure people higher up would hear about it, but as we can see, nothing clearly came of it. Now we're at the point where CR seems to be rolling out the new and terrible video to all users in waves (so if you're lucky, you might not be getting it just yet - but it's just a matter of time).

Of course, it's not much of a surprise that CR is doing this - they've pretty obviously never cared much for quality. Before this, the last time they updated their video encoding settings was in December 2011, and they hadn't even updated their x264 builds until this new video encoding setup. This is on top of the fact that they have never even tried to do anything to fix flaws in the sources they get, nor have they tried to do anything to reduce the horrendous amounts of banding their encodes can have. Not to mention that even before this massive bitrate reduction they already had the lowest bitrates in the industry. Or the case with certain shows where they got both a high quality source and a bad quality source and chose to make their encodes for the site from the bad quality version. Why? God only knows.

Remember how over two years ago in a Reddit AMA Crunchyroll CEO Kun Gao said that CR is building a "world class video team" so that we can look forward to improvements in video? Yeah, funny how that turned out...

[–]herkz 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, best part is this is not even close to new yet they did nothing to change or correct it. It's clear that the people in charge at CR don't give a shit and are doing this to save money on bandwidth.

[–]AlyoshaV[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's also easier to compare them here than with just plain imgur links.

diffpics is missing a security header and I cannot load images from your link in FF or Chrome (though http://diff.pics/Tb0D8sX0IXXX/1 seems to work). Main reason I rehosted on imgur.

Thanks for working to save anime Daiz

[–]Shippoyasha 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Doing good work, Daiz.

Yeah, what's sad is that some CR feeds used to be pretty sharp looking in the past. The gradual downturn of quality was really noticeable sometime around March of last year from my personal experiences watching CR on the big screen.

Kind of crazy, but this might turn people back to the fansubbing scene again.

[–]JazzKatCritic 314 ポイント315 ポイント  (12子コメント)

1 million subscribers.

And they act like they're still some pirate site hosted in some dude's garage strung together with bean cans and fishing wire.

[–]Atronoxhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Atronox 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (2子コメント)

We should have known something like this was coming. Firing a bunch of their staff was only the beginning.

[–]Shippoyasha 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, the alarming accounts of outsourcing and cutting costs was a big indicator.

[–]IAmACentipedeAMA 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Wow I thought they had more... 1 million is too little actually

[–]yolo-yoshiAnidood 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anime is still pretty niche, alot of people still seem to forget that. The number is quite significant. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[–]enfrozt 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I mean, at $6 a month + ad revenue from who knows how many "free" users... they rake in 10s of millions, yet they can't offer a good service?

[–]TheDerpedhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDerped 190 ポイント191 ポイント  (90子コメント)

To think, this is what we pay 6 bucks a month for. You can get better quality from the TV rips than this. Guess CR firing a bunch of their tech guys is really paying off isn't it.

[–]Mayoi-chan 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Coming soon: our new $12/mo subscription, with higher quality video streams.

...perhaps?

[–]mrpenguinx 98 ポイント99 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Don't even fucking joke about that.

[–]_u_s_ER_ 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (8子コメント)

yea it might become president

[–]sddsddcphttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/sddsdd 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Was the "Make Anime Great Again" promise all a sham?

[–]willsolvithttp://myanimelist.net/profile/willsolvit 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They lied to us! They promised to make anime real and all we got are waifus in 144p

[–]MidgetPanda3031https://myanimelist.net/profile/Midget_Panda 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (39子コメント)

It doesn't matter, we pay for a service that they promise is of good quality. if they have no competition and just shit on customers people will go to illegal sites. Edit: replied to wrong comment, meant to reply to the guy who said it's only 6 dollars

[–]TheDerpedhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/TheDerped 88 ポイント89 ポイント  (30子コメント)

Daisuki, Amazon and AnimeLab need to step up their game to make CR put more effort in. Funimation used to be a competitor but they're partners now. Then again Funi was infamous for bad bit rates and weird-ass colour filter for their streaming anime. Maybe that's where this drop in quality came from

[–]Popingheads 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Unfortunately unless the practice of giving companies an exclusive broadcast license changes there won't be any true competition. Each different website having different anime series aren't really competing for consumers. If you are interested in certain shows then no matter what you have to buy a subscription from the one (and only) specific site that has licensed that series (and deal with shitty video quality), or pirate it. Or just not watch it at all but I'm not really considering that a viable option here.

Anime and production studios have no incentive to change this however. They make a lot of money from companies bidding to buy those exclusive licenses. This isn't new, television and movies work like all over the world, and have for a long time. It still isn't in the end consumers best interest though.

[–]herkz 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, this is exactly what leads to this problem and why it's so hard to fix. I doubt there's really anything we can do about it.

[–]sddsddcphttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/sddsdd 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Funimation used to be a competitor but they're partners now. Then again Funi was infamous for bad bit rates and weird-ass colour filter for their streaming anime. Maybe that's where this drop in quality came from

They say that for a happy relationship to persevere, one needs to embrace the other's flaws.

[–]herkz 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Daisuki is pretty mediocre in terms of quality but their video probably looks better than CR's now.

Amazon is great and I hope they grow.

Animelab just restreams stuff from CR, etc. in Australia and New Zealand. I don't think they have any exclusives. Also, it's hardsubbed anyway last I heard.

[–]chibi-oppai 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (12子コメント)

No, AnimeLab restreams things from Funimation, and now that CR gets all of Funi licenses due to their partnership, AnimeLab has barely any simulcasts.

[–]herkz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Wow. Why do they even still exist?

[–]chibi-oppai 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because it really only just happened at the end of last year, they still have lots of people subscribed, they won't just 'die' instantly.

I'd imagine they're going to get more aggressive with throwing their money at the licensing bids. They already announced they're getting Attack on Titan s2 next month, so that's already a big-name series to keep people.

[–]herkz 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's because Funi announced they're streaming season 2 too (presumably subbed).

[–]Toa_of_Gallifreyhttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/Toa_of_Gallifrey 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're procreating already!

[–]bringer_of_storms 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if they have no competition and just shit on customers people will go to illegal sites

And once again words "piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem" ring true.

[–]herkz 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Their new video is actually worse than the worst Japanese TV station that broadcasts anime regularly.

[–]Mystic8ballhttps://kitsu.io/users/Cone/library 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Of course streaming video is never going to be as clean and crisp as physical blurays, but Jesus Christ that is quite a big fucking drop in quality. Everyone needs to keep in mind that this will look FAR worse in motion, ESPECIALLY for scenes with lots of particle effects.

Hell 90's anime is going to suffer too with the loss of that delicious cell grain.

This really sucks, its an objective and significant drop in quality. No company should downgrade their service while charging customers the same fee they always have because they wanted to save money and hoped no one would notice.

[–]Atronoxhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Atronox 205 ポイント206 ポイント  (5子コメント)

CR please.

[–]JazzKatCritic 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do they, do they think we are masochists? I mean I am but that's not the issue.

Do they think we will just let them walk all over us, and give us some shitty product like some anime heroine making some horribly-burnt dinner for her crush, expecting us to eat it all with a smile???!

Crunchy-hime's first strike was being a tsundere.

The second strike was letting go the rights to Nichijou.

Making my waifu-of-the-month look horrible on my 4K TV?

THAT'S A BRIDGE TOO FAR, CRUNCHY.

[–]Nico9liveshttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Chitanda 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks CR.

[–]morzinbohttp://myanimelist.net/profile/morzinbo 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (38子コメント)

And you know who's not in this comment section? the crunchyroll dude who gets super pissed whenever someone pirates something.

[–]herkz 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Probably because he already got shit on about this on Twitter. He tried to say the images used for comparisons were from illegal rips instead of directly on CR's site so it was fake and the quality isn't worse.

[–]ClearingFlagshttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/ClearingFlags 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does he have proof of that, or is he just bullshitting to cover his ass?

[–]herkz 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not that I can tell. Besides, people have posted screenshots taken directly from CR's player on their site and the quality is obviously much lower.

[–]Thone137 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I mean when you have a near monopoly on the market you get to do these things. Hopefully amazon starts expanding their service because competition isn't coming from Funimation anymore.

[–]herkz 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Amazon already streams a ton of anime in Japan and the quality is great, so them expanding to other regions would be lovely.

[–]Kinaestheticsz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, to be fair, the quality is great... but only once their automatic bandwidth detection finally figures out that you can stream in something other than 240p. Although once it does, it looks fantastic. Still an annoyance though.

[–]Chariotwheelhttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/Frontalbrise 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Exactly why we can't let this slide. There is little incentive for Crunchyroll to improve it's service if we bow down and take this as it is. Progress should be forwards, not backwards.

[–]Pegguins 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Amazons streams of scums wish this season seem pretty good. They're high quality, subtitles seem to be on point and uploaded promptly. But even on the highest quality it still doesnt look quite as good as the versions I can find on various yarr sites for some reason.

[–]herkz 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Probably has to do with the fact that Amazon's adaptive bitrate selection is a bit wonky. Even if you can easily stream 1080p, they don't like to give it to you sometimes.

[–]Pegguins 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yea. I wish they had a thing like the iplayer does where you can download episodes and watch them for 30 days just so i could for sure get that 1080p goodness.

[–]herkz 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, you can do that, just not legally. But all their anime is out there.

[–]Popingheads 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unfortunately unless the practice of giving companies an exclusive broadcast license changes there won't be any true competition. Each different website having different anime series aren't really competing for consumers. If you are interested in certain shows then no matter what you have to buy a subscription from the one (and only) specific site that has licensed that series (and deal with shitty video quality), or pirate it. Or just not watch it at all but I'm not really considering that a viable option here.

Anime and production studios have no incentive to change this however. They make a lot of money from companies bidding to buy those exclusive licenses. This isn't new, television and movies work like all over the world, and have for a long time. It still isn't in the end consumers best interest though.

(copying my post from elsewhere for visibility)

[–]Cyathenehttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Cyathene 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well if this doesn't get reverted ill be canceling my sub and only using animelab, their already superior to crunchy

[–]Mrtheboyfull 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They don't even have an HTML5 player yet they doing this shit :/

[–]MPnoir 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of the main reasons i don't use CR.
I am not gonna install Flash just so i can use their site, and they expect me to pay for that. Get with the freaking times CR and maybe start using technology from this decade.

[–]chuckybegood 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I guess people should call out CR to find out what is happening. At the end of the day they are a business and if the customers are pissed enough to leave then surely they will do something about it.

[–]herkz 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I tried asking them about this a year ago and nothing happened.

Maybe more people will make them notice, but I doubt it. This isn't an "accident" or mistake or something. It was carefully planned for a really long time.

[–]PeekyChew 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every time I've ever had an issue with Crunchyroll and contacted support it's ended up with them blaming me for their problem.

[–]JexInfinitehttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/KeyboardJesus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I've unsubscribed and sent them a contact message. I can always resubscribe if the quality increases, but I doubt it will happen. AnimeLab exclusively it is.

[–]Frozenkex 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Its funny how Funimation did the opposite, they more than doubled their bitrate ( i even think its a tad too high ), while fucked up audio quality immensely (62kb/s).

How can these guys be so incompetent? An average ripper can do much better work.

Daisuki our saviour -_-?

[–]herkz 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah, Funimation's incompetency is impressive. Beyond just making the audio quality incredibly bad, they actually uploaded at least a few episodes with mono audio.

[–]ariolander 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They published entire BluRays with mono audio. The $100+ "Collectors Edition" of Code Geass had to be one off the worst things I ever bought. All of Season 2's English audio was mono and the artbox was the wrong size so they just shrink wrapped all the Collector Edition extras to the outside of it. It not only sounded bad, but it looked ugly. Which is the worst because half the reason I buy physical releases is to display them on my bookshelf.

[–]herkz 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh yeah, they've fucked up plenty of physical releases.

Also, this isn't from Funi, but this has to be one my all-time favorite fuck-ups for an American BD release.

[–]YamatoMark99 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Idgi

[–]herkz 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They somehow managed to move the picture up and to the right by about 6-8 pixels, making the top and right cropped off, and having the bottom and left have rows of black pixels, so the entire picture of off-center and cropped quite a bit.

[–]Shike 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I suggest anyone that is a premium sub comment on the official premium CR forums regarding this. There's currently a thread started here.

[–]Cousie_G 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I cancelled my subscription a while back because 1080p video would struggle to buffer on my 100mbps connection (wtf). Currently subbed to Animelab, it is so much nicer and i feel they actually care about your experience.

[–]JexInfinitehttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/KeyboardJesus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

AnimeLab lacks shows but they do provide quality video. They're nice people, too. I've had quite a few good chats with the customer relations team. Crunchyroll are bureaucrats behind a screen that don't care about me.

Guess where my money is going.

[–]Lunaristicshttp://myanimelist.net/profile/Tyrel 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I find it funny how people are only now noticing. They've been doing this for a long time. They just fucked up even more, and now it's extremely noticeable.

[–]Kaffarovhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Kaffarov 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow that looks like ass, you'd think with the amount of money they are getting this wouldn't be a stunt they needed to pull

[–]Chariotwheelhttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/Frontalbrise 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is really shitty practice from Crunchyroll. Good job looking deeper into it!

[–]MoeOverload 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (24子コメント)

So you're telling me that I now get better video quality when I pirate the stream than I do when I buy it? Seriously? It makes it harder for me to justify buying it from them. I know how bad the animation studios need it, too.

[–]LordGravewishhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/LordGravewish 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's always been the case, CR has always had bad bitrates and terrible typesetting when compared to most fansub releases...

Now its just gotten way worse, but that doesn't mean it was good before.

[–]Dalsuhttps://myanimelist.net/profile/reddire 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (12子コメント)

CR means nothing to studios. All that's happening is them buying licenses from a network. At best, your money gets them some Maruchan.

If you want to support your shows, buy BluRays or other merchandise.

[–]MilesExpress999 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Hey all, CR staff here - I'm in the mountains right now myself and have not been able to personally replicate this experience, but please send me any and all feedback you have and I'll make sure it's seen internally. We take community feedback very seriously.

[–]jonjonaug 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's pretty obvious if you directly compare content from new episode OPs/EDs to previous weeks'. http://diff.pics/Tb0D8sX0IXXX/4

[–]JoshxDarnxIt 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

In all seriousness, I take video quality very seriously. It's one of the main reasons why I'm subscribed to Crunchyroll. I've been waiting for you guys to INCREASE your quality, not decrease it. If this becomes a thing I'm going to have to seriously reevaluate my subscription. Please don't let this happen.

[–]MilesExpress999 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for the feedback - this kind of comment is very valuable.

[–]SPCGMR 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know that you're probably not involved in this change, but if its not fixed I'm unsubscribing. I use your service for convenience and for its decent quality, with this change I'll have to go back to sailing the seven seas and I'm sure a good chunk of people will do the same.

[–]Tension-Tenshi 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Figures the one CR staff member who regularly goes on here would be away while this happens.

[–]Toasterss 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Skiing at Breckenridge with them fat stacks of weeaboo money, obviously.

[–]TheCodingHuman 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The great /u/Daiz mentioned this change might be in waves, so not everyone in affected.

Hopefully, this will be resolved promptly.

[–]xDangeRxDavEx 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's just pretty disappointing considering some of us pay for this and to consider finding better quality for free could just have people cancel as soon as they find a decent source. There's a lot out there, (as I'm sure you know), and if the quality drops with the apps or the video nitrate or anything like that, the convenience just won't be enough.

Sometimes the apps can be pretty bad. I had an issue with mine on my Xbox One where my queue wouldn't load. I could wait for hours and it would just be a blank area with nothing in it except the words "My Queue." As it turns out, customer service told me that I might have too many shows in my queue for the app. In my personal opinion, that's really lame.

I've also had times where the anime was definitely already out and either the show wouldn't load of for the first 2 hours the audio and video quality made it unwatchable.

I'm not sure how many people dominantly use the apps on smart TVs, Xbox, PlayStations, or any other non-website source, but the apps all seem to run about the same way with the same interface and have been out for a long time with no upgrades and it's truthfully pretty disheartening that they have these problems. Combined with an intentional decrease in video quality, if something doesn't change, I may just find another source to watch my anime in the (possibly near) future. I really hope the service quality increases. I've enjoyed Crunchyroll for years and I'd hate to drop my subscription like that.

[–]KuroGW2 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Give us good quality videos or say good bye to our dollars, that simple.

[–]Leponyhttp://myanimelist.net/profile/dinglegrip 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Genuinely shocked by the people who can't tell the difference. Then again, I know a guy who still can't notice the difference between 240p anime and 720p.

Someone should get a video comparison up or something. Bitrate is a very seriously problem in anime, especially in action shows (see: one of the most popular anime to watch). I remember stalling the second season of K explicitly because the speed uploads at the time had horrible bitrates and couldn't keep up with all the particle effects and sakuga.

also mfw daiz is posting.

[–]wannalama 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (16子コメント)

This is why I sail the seas.

[–]hamptonwoosterhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/buzzardslicer 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This affects you too mate. Now all Horriblesub rips are half the quality.

[–]HellFireOmegahttp://myanimelist.net/profile/hellfiredape 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Time to start browsing a certain site that sounds like a japanese cat....

[–]pixelverted 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (4子コメント)

See now this is why so many people illegally download things. Might go back to that if these stupid companies are gonna pull this shit. I tried being legitimate.

[–]SaikoGekido 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is this the quality paid subs get or the quality freemercial users get?

[–]herkz 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Both now. It used to be free users only, though.

[–]blenderbenhttp://myanimelist.net/profile/blenderben 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Keep in mind CR did fire off like a huge part of their engineering? Didn't they end up outsourcing? It is possible in an effort to upgrade their video encoding pipeline, when they upgraded their x264 core they either forgot to apply old settings or didn't have time to tweak the new ones?

Even still, they should have a dev/qa test pipeline before they push to production.

I would apply Hanlon's razor in this instance, "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". Just my two cents, but it is very good you brought this to light.

[–]herkz 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I find this theory quite unlikely. This change has been in the pipeline for around a year now, but today it finally got pushed out to most people for new videos from day one.

[–]lastorderhttp://hummingbird.me/users/lastorder/watchlist#all 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anybody who actually looked at the results when implementing this new pipeline would see the issues with it.

[–]G-0ff 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The conspiracy theorist in me wants to say they did this to provide a compelling reason to buy blu rays from them and funi, but the guy who actually works with crunchyroll in me suspects it's probably just a case of bad decision-making. I'm still going to use crunchyroll for the convenience of the queue and to keep my anime viewing legal, but I hope they see the negative community response to this and make a change for the better, fast.

[–]kazcinco 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Too bad the fansub community is pretty dead now.

Crunchyroll started on shady grounds, but I decided to support them later on because it was convenient. This probably has to do with the staff changes internally.

Fuck what's worse is that Crunchyroll has a near monopoly on simulcast streaming. Funimation already teamed up with them, Netflix has a small library, and Amazon only has like 1 streaming show a season.

EDIT: Additionally, the video player on the site has been pretty terrible and it doesn't seem like they're going to fix it any time soon.

[–]DillDoughNuthttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/dilldoughnut 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People ask "Why don't you pay month to month for Crunchyroll", I used to, but shit like this is why I stopped. If you are paying for it, why get the shit end of the stick?

I want anime to thrive, not be ruined by selfish companies.

[–]Anferniihttp://myanimelist.net/profile/Anfernii 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Then you kids get mad at why people start pirating.

[–]gettingunstuck2 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I know right?

Crunchy Roll staff are high and mighty fucks getting into shitty petty arguments all the time on forums, here on reddit, and over on twitter, about piracy all the time.

Their service was worse than Netflix before this change, now it's basically halved in quality. And they're still going to be high and mighty about piracy.

I'm NOT paying for something that is less than half the quality of what pirates put out. Fuck you Crunchy Roll.

[–]ganattihttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/haragaheranai 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But I always hear people bitching why there isn't just one streaming service for all shows. If it has a monopoly, it will somehow remain good... right?

Competition is never bad for consumers.

[–]Shu-Mitsui 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why having a monopoly hurts the consumer so does having consumers buy multiple services with different providers.

You lose either way. And if CR had license to one show yet Funi had another and the shows do not overlap then it's still a monopoly.

[–]skeptic9916 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The quality was dog shit to begin with and now they are lowering it?

[–]Klesahttp://myanimelist.net/profile/Kalanoch 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anyone test this to see if this is being rolled out to all users? I could see CR feeding different size encodes to an account suspected of putting videos on torrent sites in order to definitively identify the account they are using.

[–]Zenthon127http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Zenthon 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Might be in response to the network issues I've seen with CR lately. New episodes of popular shows are virtually impossible for me to watch until 1 AM PST, while last season I could watch JoJo within minutes of it airing.

[–]herkz 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This has been in planning for over a year, so I doubt it. Besides, if you're getting more traffic, shouldn't you just buy more bandwidth rather than make the quality of your product worse? They should be able to afford it since more traffic means more subscribers.

[–]Bloodydemize 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yar har back to the 7 seas

[–]ProKarmahttp://myanimelist.net/profile/Astxrisk 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hopefully this will be seen, if you're paying for crunchyroll with a paypal account and you want to stop paying for their service, you have to go through your paypal to stop automatic subscriptions.

I cancelled 3 months ago and I was still getting automatically billed. I don't really care about the money, but I care about how scummy it was to keep billing people that didn't really check.

[–]Juvia-Lockserhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Juvia-is-life 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Read that as 'birthrate' lol was a bit confused for a moment.

[–]LuisN 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right now is also a pretty good time to remind people that Funimation recently improved their stream quality and it is excellent.

[–]Drwildyhttps://myanimelist.net/animelist/Drwildy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How's Funi's service? The UI doesn't look as clean as CR but since that partnership they share a lot of their shows.

[–]MojoJotaro 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

tfw you watch with a free account on shitty dsl so you're actually happy about this

[–]javitogomezzzzhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/Monguito 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was considering paying for the subscription. Guess I won't be paying shit now...

[–]CardBack 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So happy I don't use this. So sad for their paid subscribers

[–]PhilosopherJackhttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/philosopherjack 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

..do I smell boycott?

[–]Yu-sempaihttps://myanimelist.net/profile/Yu-sempai 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I honestly mainly pay for CR for the convenience of being able to hit R1 to get to the next episode and how easy the library is to navigate. As long as it's still watchable I won't care, and if this convinces more people to buy BDs that will be great.

That being said considering I have a paying subscription to their service why am I finding out about this from a source other than them. That's grimy af.

[–]ClearingFlagshttp://myanimelist.net/animelist/ClearingFlags 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody is going to buy BDs, they're just going to drop their CR subscription and pirate what they want instead. BDs are way too expensive unless it's a show you want to support and own a copy of, and it isn't exactly hard to find pirated copies of a show that is a better quality than what CR is now peddling.

[–]its_real_I_swear 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Incidentally, the mobile app has completely stopped working for me. Anyone else?

[–]Kmattmebro 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reminds me of the business anecdote where the restaurant owner is coming up short for the month, so to balance it out he reduces the portion sizes so to save on ingredients. Give you one guess how that story ends.

[–]badsplerhttps://kitsu.io/users/Badspler/library 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is an awful thing to do.

[–]Ddude1995 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What will they do when everyone says something to support about crappy video quality? or when they lose all their paying customers? Do we need to do a mass unsubscribe explaining why and see what that does?

[–]Bayart 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I get cutting down on bitrate, but cutting down on encoding is just plain weird to me. All things considered, CR has a very limited amount of video to encode. That should mean they're pushing all their horse-power on every one of them.

Anyway at this rate, why not just go with VP9 and Opus as default and x264 as fallback? That would pretty much take care of the problem, and it's easily supported.

[–]thetriplegee 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you don't like this then consider unsubscribing until they improve the video quality. You get a say in what's happening but only through the way you spend your money.

[–]KantaiWarrior 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, it doesn't seem to be happening with every show. I only watch the 1080p's and checked the shows I have and it only affected two of them, the others are normal file size and normal bitrate as you expect.

I'm going to put this down to a few possible reasons.

  1. It's a error on their part.
  2. They testing lowing the quality on some shows to test the waters for doing it to all of them.

Next season will really prove if they doing something or not when the new animes start airing.

[–]Trashcanbin13 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When streaming sites are all trying to make better services e.g Spotify wanna launch Hi-Fi plan, this site is making it worse. Great job Crunchy. /S

[–]Tension-Tenshi 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bastards. We're gonna have to complain as much as possible for them to even think about changing it back.

Practice like this just encourages piracy. Fucking stupid.

[–]Mozilla_Fennekinhttp://myanimelist.net/profile/MozillaFennekin 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (8子コメント)

This should be affecting all videos, right? I watched the new 3-gatsu and Demi-chan and they looked fine to me.