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[–]__GG 949 ポイント950 ポイント  (102子コメント)

Go ahead, gobble up the PR pieces put out by this pedo doctor. Please ignore these excerpts from court documents.

The hard drive arrived at Best Buy’s Brooks, Kentucky facility on November 25, 2011, and an initial search was performed by a Best Buy employee at 9:00 p.m. on November 28, 2011, revealing that the “drive appears to have been restored, underlying data visible.” (Bates 853.) Best Buy called Rettenmaier less than thirty minutes later; he authorized “Level 2” repair and identified “[p]ictures, excel files, quicken files, text and word documents” as the most important files to recover. (Id.)

...

On or about December 20, 2011, Best Buy technician John “Trey” Westphal observed what he deemed to be inappropriate content on the hard drive. (Dkt. 152 at 4.) His discovery occurred after the data recovery repair for images—“to determine that the repair was successful [Westphal] must access the files to verify that the files were recovered intact.” (Bates 823.)

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During 2007 and 2008, I am aware of four employees of Best Buy Geek Squad in Brooks, Kentucky, who contacted us regarding child pornography on customers' devices. To best track the relationship with these individuals and document contacts the FBI had with them, we classified these individuals as confidential human sources ("CHS's"), though they were simply employees at the Best Buy Geek Squad who happened to be in a position to report child pornography that technicians had come across on devices during the course of repair. [3]

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The picture in question was “of a fully nude, white prepubescent female on her hands and knees on a bed, with a brown choker-type collar around her neck.” (Dkt. 152 at 7.) Presumably in the form of thumbnails, Agent Riley also saw “partial images of genitalia of young girls” and states that “[i]t appeared there was a lot of [child pornography] as the tech didn’t have to scroll, the window popped up with image after image of [child pornography] and child erotica/grooming images.”

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A later search of the iPhone revealed alleged child pornography that is charged in Count 2 of the Indictment.

From the LA Times:

Mark Rettenmaier, a gynecologic oncologist on staff at Hoag Hospital, had the pornography on three portable hard drives, a laptop and his iPhone, according to a federal grand jury indictment filed in November.

Fuck this guy. Do some research. Just a rich prick trying to get off on a technicality.

[–]RockFlagAndEagleGold 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I worked for GS for about 6years, we were always told that we aren't allowed to just look though someone computer. Like If you found Pedo stuff in a file , but you were just suppose to be installing some ram, then you're supposed to ignore it. But if we found Pedo stuff while working in areas of the computer that we were supposed to be in (like recovering data the customer requested), then we can call the cops etc.

[–]spndl1 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That may have been corporate policy, but I hope human decency policy would override that and it would still be reported.

Or just don't look in areas of the computer you're not supposed to and you're not faced with a moral dilemma.

[–]Strangeclouds420 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah but a corporation doesn't want to get involved with warrantless searching which is what it would be going through areas that were not part of maintenance or pre-approved. And if you go above their head to report it then there could be consequences

[–]TundraWolf_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A few years here. We had one case of it on a computer backup -- there was so much just glancing at thumbnails of recovered data was enough to make your hair stand on end.

So we let our manager handle it, who turns out was also a giant creepy pedo who got nabbed eventually by the po-po. Was apparently running a for-pay pedo site -_-

[–]msuvagabond 130 ポイント131 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You also forgot to add one piece of information, it's a crime to not report a child pornography if you happen to find it.

The FBI was later paying trip expenses for those that had to testify in court, that's the claimed 'finders fee' they talk about all the time.

[–]scottyxxx 117 ポイント118 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The thing is - just viewing, or being in possession of CP is illegal. So if these employees were trying to recover, say family photos for the customer, they would check files to verify. If these files were CP they have to go to the police. It's that simple.

It's awful that people who do this horrible horrible crime try to blame others for why they got caught.

[–]Feritix 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Except it's not that simple because the law operates under intent and circumstances. It was not the Best Buy employee's intent to view CP and the circumstances lead to the employee viewing and possessing the CP.

Edit: My bad. I misread the above comment. I thought by horrible crime he meant invasion of privacy when he really meant pedophilia.

[–]triksterx 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't think he was suggesting that the Best Buy employees did anything illegal. I think he was suggesting it was their legal obligation to report the CP they found, which they did. Meaning the search requested by the FBI was not illegal, contrary to the title of this post.

[–]fireinthesky7 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So literally the opposite of what the article claims: employees found child porn on customer's drive, contacted FBI to report an ACTUAL GODDAMN CHILD SEX CRIME, and /r/conspiracy jumps down their throats for it while upvoting anything with the word "pizzagate" to the moon.

[–]__GG 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A lot of sites have jumped on this. It's been on the front page of HN multiple times. All the articles that get shared leave out that child porn was found on 5 of his devices. Really feels like a hearts and minds campaign.

[–]ToucanPuncher 164 ポイント165 ポイント  (66子コメント)

Anyone involved in child abuse of any type should be sentenced to many many years in prison.

But only if the evidence was gained legally.

[–]amactuallycat 396 ポイント397 ポイント  (51子コメント)

When you drop your device off to be serviced at GeekSquad, you sign a contract which allows for the agents to do whatever necessary to perform the repair, as well as giving your permission for them to access your files. Of course, you'll need to approve the repair, which can be done upfront (company's preference), or later with a phone call. In this case, the client did approve data recovery, which in and of itself warrants checking over the data and ensuring everything worked. By both signing the contract and approving repair, you have made whatever they do legal and approved it.

Source: worked as a Geek Squad agent for 4 years

[–]Lurkerusually 195 ポイント196 ポイント  (39子コメント)

There's also a clause on the contract that the client signs that specifies that if child pornography is found then it will be reported to the police.

[–]amactuallycat 125 ポイント126 ポイント  (24子コメント)

We unfortunately had several instances where this happened, and police were definitely called. These particular clients were very antsy, and would repeatedly ask why their computer wasn't ready. They'd be sweating and nervous. I would give them excuse after excuse until police arrived, when they were taken away. As sick as I felt in those interactions and afterward, I'm glad they came in. Justice was served.

[–]Throwaway-tan 96 ポイント97 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I just don't understand how these people could be so naive as to think they could hand over a laptop full of incriminating evidence and get away with it?

For example, if I'm smuggling drugs and my car breaks down in the middle of nowhere. I'm not going to call up a tow service with all the drugs still in my car.

[–]Seakawn 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (3子コメント)

But if you believe you hid those drugs really well in an ingenious secret compartment, you might.

So these guys may just believe they secured their self incriminating files well enough that they won't be found, yet can't help themselves from getting nervous after the repair takes longer than anticipated.

It's difficult sometimes to have complete confidence, but partial confidence is normal.

[–]Cyberblood 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The folder "C:\Users\{username}\AppData\Roaming\kiddypron" Wasnt as hidden as they thought.

[–]FuzzGod666 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Honestly in that situation I'd just roll a joint for me and the tow guy.

[–]ctrlaltlama 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

yeah your present to bribe off the tow guy,

These guys fucked up by leaving evidence with a bi-stander on its own.

[–]FuzzGod666 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a tow truck driver bruh. I don't know if you've known many but they pretty much all enjoy a good J.

I'm saying I'd bribe the guy but hey, might as well light one up if you're taking my car away lol

[–]AssistedSuicideSquad 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Why not? Are you just gonna ditch the car?

[–]THEJAZZMUSIC 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes obviously those are the two options.

I'm no criminal mastermind, but obviously you should only let someone who's in on it pop the hood, or even tow it, preferably. A tow from a stranger if you stalled out sideways across 5th Ave, sure, I mean sometimes you have to choose the least worst option. But leaving it in a mechanics shop with strangers for a few days while it's loaded with drugs? That's just stupid.

[–]logicescapesme 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Same when I worked one hour photo. Remember those?

[–]thiscontradiction 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

We had a guy that we reported and he ended up killing himself as a result. Pretty morbid but I think in the future when more of these people get outed it will be a pretty common occurrence. High profile suicides are coming.

[–]r4nd0md0od 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

this is most likely some legalese CYA.

can you imagine the headline if best buy didn't report it to the police?? it would be a matter of time before some "undercover" work was done with a baited laptop.

"Best Buy Geek Squad needs to get hard on child porn"

or

"Best Buy Geek Squad soft on child porn"

[–]fireinthesky7 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not reporting child abuse, almost regardless of how it's discovered, is typically a crime in and of itself.

[–]battles 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even if there was no contract, everyone has a moral responsibility to help prevent the exploitation of children.

[–]Not_A_PedophiIe 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Thanks for the heads up

[–]lee61 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wait a second....

[–]lR3ptarr 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We're good, his username definitely checks out.

[–]ChaoticWeg 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

This. Currently doing time as a CA, nothing bothers me more than people who don't know what they're talking about.

[–]Legally_Accurate 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

What is a CA?

[–]ChaoticWeg 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

CA is one of the in-store positions at Geek Squad. "Doing time" was a dumb joke.

[–]Dqueezy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nooooo he meant California obviously!

[–]ChaoticWeg 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm a state!

[–]SikorskyUH60 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

AMA Request: Why do you want to ban literally everything?

[–]ChaoticWeg 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I didn't say I was a good state

[–]kevoizjawesome 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How is this not gained legally? He authorized the repair

[–]hymntastic 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The evidence was... he dropped it off to be restored they dscovered the images while verifying that everything on the drive was in working order. What do you just want them to run their program without confirming that it was successful?

[–]billyjohn 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So if a geek squad employee finds child porn on a PC? They are to just give it back and live their lives? Yeah...ok

[–]fireinthesky7 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Failing to report something like that is a crime in most states regardless of what a customer service agreement or any signed contract like that says.

[–]burgerfat 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm actually in favor of smashing every pedophile's head like a watermelon upon discovery that they have child pornography on their computer, and the legality of how the evidence was gained can go fuck itself. But I admit that's just my emotions talking, I of course don't want that kind of society. Pedo's can all fucking die, though, just so I'm clear.

[–]invisi1407 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree - I actually don't care how evidence was obtained - the fact is, THEY ARE GUILTY - whether the evidence was obtained legally shouldn't matter - but as you said that's not a society we want to live in cause it's a slippery slope.

[–]ax255 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, and just to be clear- this was...

[–]threetoast 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Best Buy isn't the police, though.

[–]SirFoxx 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think the big fear is , having someone plant CP on a computer. There is a thing called "chain of custody". It's broken once it enters BB's shop or anywhere else.

[–]SlyTendieses 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I work at Geek Squad City. Without getting into specifics, I work with data recovery, but not for them. I do know a lot about our process regarding that. You're completely correct.

The way our data is handled is hdds are kept in a locked cage and are held for a period of time. When data recovery is requested, the repair tech does need to look at the images, and of course the fbi will be called if CP is found.

Any questions anyone has I can answer, but we have gotten mass emails about not talking about this.

[–]NoGoodVeryBadDay 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah he paid for data recovery and got reported when something showed up. I've found child porn on someone's computer before and called the police. If you are dumb enough to send you computer for data recovery and get caught with something you shouldn't have, you're a deserving fool.

[–]rlednet 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

so he has cp and doesn't even bother encrypting his shit so people won't find out about it? fucking amateur

[–]Cozmo85 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I actually had a guy have me find a hidden folder for transfer and turned out to be cp. Gave the PC to the police.

[–]Put_It_All_On_Blck[🍰] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. I used to repair computers at a popular retail store that isn't known for being atrocious (not BB, staples, etc).

We were never told to search a persons computer. The only time we would access personal data is if it was blatantly obvious that they were doing something illegal or we needed to verify a data transfer.

We simply did not even have the free time to look for stuff even if we wanted to. Also it would've been grounds for termination if we browsed without cause through someone's data.

We were also never trained or asked by any government entity to report anything. Our training only said to report illegal activity to our manager (as not reporting it is a crime, and accidentally storing the data on a temporary drive is also a crime).

TLDR; The article and accusations are bs.

[–]Martaway 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Im still terrified tbh. If i got this right, the fbi is paying geek squad members for finding evidence? What is preventing these geek squads from planting evidence for a payday? What is preventing the fbi from offering an extra bounty to "find" evidence on a certain individual?

Kinda surprised to see /r/conspiracy of all places taking the FBIs side

[–]__GG 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The law. Is it worth it to go to jail for numerous charges over a 500 dollar reward?

I don't think /r/conspiracy should be pro or against anything on principle. It's about seeing through bullshit and this article is bullshit.

[–]Sysiphuslove 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This isn't really trustworthy considering that if they were working with the CIA, it's already been proven that the CIA is willing to release patently false statements to cover its ass. Character assassination is also a tactic they have no problem stooping to, having little real defense for themselves

[–]fnordfnordfnordfnord 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The factual guilt of a single defendant is much less important than the precedent set by allowing the FBI to enlist people/companies to spy on citizens. Don't use emotion to justify the FBI taking illegal shortcuts that they shouldn't have, and thus jeopardizing their case(s) against a pedo(s). If they lose, the fault lies on them. They knew the rules and got too aggressive trying to shortcut them. The rules are there for reasons other than giving cover for abhorrent crimes.

[–]KilgoreTheFish 140 ポイント141 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'm not sure if it's a good idea to trust a news source run entirely by one person.

[–]Tychonaut 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (3子コメント)

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[–]SheCutOffHerToe 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

...Vessel news is not the source of the story. It is summarizing a story published by Scott Moxley of OC Weekly.

The vesselnews blurb links directly to the original story. I don't see how you could have read it and not known that.

[–]Tychonaut 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I was just pointing out the funny "About Section" of Vessel News in response to the guy who was questioning trusting news sites run by a single person.

I don't see how you could have read my post and come to any other conclusion.

[–]SheCutOffHerToe 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You must not read this sub very often then. The line between ridiculous and ridiculous satire couldn't be thinner here.

But if you like absurd bios, here's the bio for the actual source, Scott Moxley:

R. Scott Moxley’s award-winning investigative journalism has touched nerves for two decades. An angry congressman threatened to break Moxley’s knee caps. A dirty sheriff promised his critical reporting was irrelevant and then landed in prison. Corporate crooks won’t take his calls. Murderous gangsters mad-dogged him in court. The U.S. House of Representatives debated his work. Pusillanimous cops have left hostile messages using fake names. Federal prosecutors credited his stories for the arrest of a doctor who sold fake medicine to dying patients. And a frantic state legislator literally caught sleeping with lobbyists sprinted down state capital hallways to evade his questions in Sacramento

[–]justinmchase 224 ポイント225 ポイント  (14子コメント)

I used to work there. We found CP on someone's computer and called the cops once. We never gave them any information about customers or their data otherwise.

[–]chinagreenelvis 214 ポイント215 ポイント  (11子コメント)

YOU MEAN THE FBI DOESN'T CARE ABOUT MY FOLDER OF ANTI-GOVERNMENT MANIFESTOS HRUGHGLRLGUUGH

[–]justinmchase 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (9子コメント)

A better story was the time a guy brought in a VCR to repair and we plugged it in on the floor to test it and it had home made porn... of him. Lol

[–]BornToSmoosh 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

What do you do with porn of yourself? I don't know if watching me jamin my own bits would do.

[–]The_Mighty_Onion 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Narcissism at its highest point.

[–]DanPHunt 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You've never heard of a couple making a video of them making love? It happens a lot actually. Even with famous couples. In fact quite a few of these tapes have leaked and been distributed online.

[–]motherfuckingjesusfu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

i like the idea that i could fuck myself. at least for me thats the hot part

[–]skantea 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you have a relative who carried out an anti-gov act, then you actually might have a file.

[–]BassBeerNBabes 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One of my best friends worked for Geek Squad for a while, I trust his word. When I asked him if he ever found anything incriminating on customer computers he said that they don't ever have the time to do any snooping around. They get tickets too fast to do anything other than troubleshoot, solve, and send it back to the customer.

[–]Hydlide 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I worked there (unfortunately) but I want to add my two cents. They explicitly tell employees NOT to search client computers, but if you happen upon it, turn off the computer and immediately call the police. So this isn't something every precinct is doing, but I don't doubt there are some that do. Terrible company.

[–]djmarcone 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (4子コメント)

From my personal experience all computer repair techs are supposed to call local law enforcement if they come across cp on someones pc. It isn't a matter of corporate policy it's just the right thing to do.

[–]Yxun9Mi7x 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This. Even at cable companies they tell us if we come across child pornography or terroristic content at a customers home to leave and call the police

[–]djmarcone 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When I did IT work full time we did a fair amount of work for local government and a Judge came over to make sure we were clear on this. Also he said if we came across pr0n of any kind on computers used by government employees to tell him and he would "deal with it."

[–]fnordfnordfnordfnord 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you'd read the news about this, you'd know that the GS employees in question had been trained by the FBI on how to "accidentally" discover things the FBI were interested in.

[–]Khuddle2310 92 ポイント93 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Everytime I see this article I have a nice laugh.

No we aren't going through your files to dig info on you. But if we notice child porn thumbnails while repairing your shit box computer - you bet your ass we'll report it to the authorities.

As for some of the comments above

It fucking sucks working this job, and it doesn't help when someone comes in thinking they know more than you. So I just wanna say, yes GeekSquad sucks. But not nearly as much as putting up with the assholes that come in and treat the employees like human garbage - even though we're trying to help you after you fucked your computer up by watching a little too much BBW Porn.

Honestly though 90% of our clients are elderly and can't figure out how to log into Facebook. So think of this rant next time you go to Geeksquad, put yourself in our shoes and make an agents day by being polite. If they're not polite back - they're probably jaded by their previous customers because it's a taxing job being human toilet that takes more shit than a port-o-potty at a phish concert.

All I ask is that you be a decent human being. And if you don't get what you want (cause what you want is not feasible i.e recovering data off a failed hard drive costing $800-1200 is not that "$12 dollar an hour" employees fault) don't whine and throw a fit. You're a grown person. Think logically before your computer gets the best of you and you feel like wrecking someone else's day.

God fucking damn it. Rant over. I hate my job.

[–]I_know_left 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Keep your eyes off my BBW porn.

Besides, who need the GS anyway when you can google 99% of your computers problems.

Sorry about you luck and I don't blame you. I'm sure it came down from above your pay grade and people were just trying to do their job.

[–]Make_E_U_Great_Again 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But what do I do if my default search engine has been set to bing?

[–]Soundimus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yah. Being a CA sucks.

[–]1-800-GOFUCKYOURSELF 285 ポイント286 ポイント  (109子コメント)

Fuck every corporation.

[–]tyme 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (88子コメント)

Yeah, let's get rid of all corporations and see how that works out.

[–]my_gott 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (37子コメント)

i mean...

[–]vbnm__ 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (36子コメント)

I drive firetrucks pretty good

[–]Zandrick 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (35子コメント)

Firefighters aren't part of a corporation, they are a government service.

[–]vbnm__ 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (23子コメント)

Yeah whatever. Garbage trucks then.

[–]autistinaut 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Garbage trucks aren't part of a corporation, they are a government service.

[–]audible_dog_fart 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

uh, no? according to ten seconds of googling 40% of trash pickup is done by private companies

[–]RegularJerk 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

60% of trash pickup isn't done by private companies

[–]Husker_Nation_93 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So that still invalidates the previous posters claim.

[–]charitablepancetta 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (16子コメント)

Not in my town, you hire your own. There's three different companies rolling down the street five or six times a week. All the trash cans have different colors and logos. Competition keeps prices low and service reliable.

[–]Serenaded 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Here it's free, and the service is reliable lol.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_XBOX_KEYS 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Ours costs $2.50 per bag, they have to be tagged, in a clear plastic bag, limit 2 bags per house even though we have to pay for them.

[–]Willie_Main 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's horse shit! In my city trash and recycling are government services and you can put whatever on the curb. My girlfriend and I never have more than a trash bag, some empties and a few cardboard boxes. However, I'd be pretty pissed if the service I paid for with my taxes limited me like that! Some of my neighbors seemingly dump their whole houses on the curb each week.

Edit: I can definitely see how a program that charges you by the bag and limits capacity is a good idea from an environmental standpoint.

[–]BenReese 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We used to have different private contractors take trash where I live and the service was great. Then the city voted to have it become government run and forced us to pay for it by rolling the cost into our taxes, now its more expensive and we get worse service

[–]Damn-hell-ass-king 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

THEN, TONKA TRUCKS! You're missing the point!

[–]SushiGato 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who makes their gear?

[–]keylogthis 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Where do you think the firetruck comes from? And all their other gear?

[–]audible_dog_fart 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

the vast majority of firefighters are volunteers, something like 70% of all firefighters

[–]KapteeniJ 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Like 95% of all statistics are made up on the spot to make baseless claims seem more convincing

[–]Brexit-the-thread 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I know you're likely being a sarcastic corporate bootlicker, but this is actually something that needs to be done.

Small/Medium business only. the rest can burn. especially the global megacorps.

[–]andthendirksaid 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Small and medium businesses are mostly incorporated too. All that does is make it so that someone can't take your personal assets over a business dispute. I feel like you don't actually know how this stuff works past kkkorporations r evel!

[–]89LSC 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Small and medium businesses are typically corporations also. Limits the owners personal liability when shit goes sideways

[–]xfortune 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Annnnnnd there's inflation rocketing up :)

[–]tyme 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Small/Medium business only.

Those can still be corporations...

The point of my comment was that I don't think people who are going around saying "kill all corporations!" have any fucking clue what a corporation actually is.

[–]heterosapian 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There's no businesses that start large you fuckwit. By eliminating only large businesses you're saying you only want unsuccessful businesses. Who with a great product is going to want to start their business in a country where they can't grow it past x revenue or y employees? You haven't thought about this very hard clearly.

[–]reconditecache 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can I ask what about it is the problem? I personally have issues with any company of any size that incorporates since the legal responsibility shifts from the owner/owners to a board of directors and shareholders who are insulated from any repercussions from illegal activities that they can claim they had no knowledge of. Which makes sense if they only ever have meetings with execs. So my beef is with the legal status. If the laws were rewritten so that CEOs were legally culpable for things the corp did, I'd be cool with it.

For you the issue seems to be the size and I'm curious why that would be where you draw the line?

[–]CodyCus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yea god forbid large companies like best buy that started from nothing and worked their ass off to get where they are. Screw those guys an I right? Lol get rid of large companies because they are large, thats stupid as fuck.

[–]Chavezz13 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (31子コメント)

Well the r/conspiracy cancer train has arrived so I'm leaving lol

[–]RPrevolution 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (30子コメント)

Prices world skyrocket without economies of scale

Edit: /u/Chavezz13' initial comment was something like "I'm glad all companies will be mom and pop shops" but he's being a coward by changing his comment.

[–]Landiesaw 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck the bad thing we don't like! I'm contributing by swearing!

[–]buymymeth 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Our population is a little too high to be able to strictly rely on "mom and pop" shops these days.

Either way, if wal mart closed down and "mom and pop" shops took all of their business, then those small shops would just become corporations in order to deal with all of the demand.

[–]JapaneseStudentHaru 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

A news website run by one man with an extremely right wing agenda who may or may not be trying to revive pizzagate. Great. But on a serious note, what do you expect them to do if they see a thumbnail of child porn on someone's computer? Look away? They're not snooping around in your computer looking for CP day in and day out. No one has time for that shit.

[–]Ninjakick666 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pushed to the front page in an hour by your friends at Amazon dot com... Remember folks... Fuck Best Buy! Purchase all of your electronics at Amazon dot com... Amazon! We make you smile or some other lame slogan the CIA thought up for us to garner empathy.

[–]Ninjakick666 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (1子コメント)

PS - We won't tell on you for having a treasure trove of child porn... unlike those squares at Best Buy and the FBI... make sure to grab an Amazon Echo! Amazon Echo... buy 2 get one free! Just use promocode ILOVECIA at checkcout!

[–]JapaneseStudentHaru 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Order CP directly from Amazon! Alexa's voice now adjustable to sound like a small child!

[–]UnderWhatRainbow 121 ポイント122 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Yes they claim it's too keep us safe, or root out pedophiles.

As if they FBI gave a shit about that. They want the ability to access all knowledge on your personal storage. "To protect the children" (my ass)

[–]weed-bot 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I'm fairly confident that the FBI, who posess the largest library of pedophilia on the planet, are the ones responsible for the majority of clearnet CP posting.

Because it primarily happens on free speech platforms.

If they were the ones running 21 out of 28 known darknet CP websites, then it stands to reason that they would be the ones doing something similar on places like imageboards.

[–]dfu3568ete6 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (12子コメント)

The idea of turning popular dark web CP sites into honeypots seams like a decent approach at trying to catch these people. Its akin to an undercover narc posing as a dealer or an intel agent acting like some sort of black market dealer. How well it works in reality and what they're actually up to I couldn't say. Just saying in theory it seams like a solid attempt.

[–]Makinjo 65 ポイント66 ポイント  (6子コメント)

When its 21/28; it becomes more of an actual market rather than a honeypot...

[–]modernbenoni 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah maybe, but how are you meant to get people to eat your honey when there's so much else on the market?

[–]Makinjo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

eat your honey when there's so much else on the market?

Except there isn't; If FBI cuts out then 3/4th of the said market is gone...

[–]DecoyKid 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

A small handful of sites is one thing, but they ran the majority in this case. Also undercover drug stings tend to work in the opposite direction. They use small level addicts to trap dealers and seize large shipments of narcotics. The FBI on the other hand distributed child porn in mass amounts, content which was in turn undoubtly shared on the other non-FBI operated sites.

Bottom line is the FBI broke the very law they were claiming to uphold, and in a much worse manner than any of the people they arrested. I don't doubt this sting led to some kids being saved. That doesnt excuse the fact that the FBI contributed to these crimes by maintaing such a large virtual dragnet. What's the point of stopping these crimes when they're the ones posting the majority of the CP currently available on the darkweb? It makes absolutely no sense.

EDIT: It just hit me how similar this scenario is to the cocaine/crack epidemic. Drugs were knowingly and purposefully released in poor areas, people were arrested in mass, and the private prison industry has thrived ever since. It wouldn't surprise me if this were the same kind of thing going on here. I don't have sympathy for pedos, but the prison machine must be refuelled regularly. Anything to get people behind bars. Thats really the only reason I could see them pulling such an idiotic stunt.

[–]reconditecache 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The difference is massive. I'm not gonna pretend it's being executed well or ethically, but the intent is obviously not cracking down on pedos. CP is not like drugs in that manufacturing drugs is a relatively victimless crime. It's what the drugs do and the illicit market that is the problem. With CP, the crime is the creation. Passing a picture from one person to another doesn't cause too much trouble on a cosmic scale, but the making of it involves child slavery, trauma and sometimes a network of victims being trafficked around until they age out and are often killed.

Those sting operations exist to infect pedo computers with Spyware or extort pedos into naming others who might actually be producing CP in order to possibly rescue the kids involved or at least prevent other children from being trafficked through them.

Drugs and CP are complete fucking opposites.

[–]HuggyBear_ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're in r/conspiracy just give it up lol

[–]weed-bot 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Naturally, plausibility is fundamental. Having the capacity to plant contraband on the computers of political enemies would become useless if they actually eliminated this kind of trade, wouldn't it?

[–]znk 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Did you read the actual story posted in an other reply? GS was recovering a hard drive for a client, when they checked if they were successful they found child porn and called law enforcement. I dont see how your response applies to this.

[–]mellowmonk 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People weren't buying the "fighting terror" bullshit, so they had to play the CP card.

Then consider that the average voter doesn't know shit about computers and privacy, and you realize we're doomed.

[–]KingJonathan 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You fucking idiot, it was child porn.

[–]multitoucher 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The FBI doesn't need geek squad agents to illegally search civilian pcs. The FBI is capable of doing this themselves.

[–]13_Bloodlines 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I would rather smash my computer with a sledgehammer than let the Geeksquad anywhere near it.

[–]MexicanIntellectual 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

why?

[–]13_Bloodlines 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't want some 12 dollar an hour schmuck fucking around with my personal info and files.

[–]avohec 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You'll always have a few rogue elements in companies like Best Buy, that doesn't mean the entire company is employing $14/hr people to be informants for the feds.

Yes, Best Buy sucks. Yes Geek Squad overcharges. Yes it's fair because all of their services can be done with 5 minutes of Google searches and 5 minutes of actual labor yourself, therefore if you're going there it's because you have no other alternative, or you're being lazy. Yes there are knowledgeable people stuck at Geek Squad due to circumstances beyond their control. Yes there are fucktarded morons that make a careers out of running FACE, AJU, and CCleaner all day.

It's not as simple as "fuck Best Buy / Geek Squad". It's very dependent on what location you go to.

[–]tacticalpotato 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What is FACE/AJU? Genuinely curious

[–]Soundimus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

ELI5: Face is a program used to auto-remove viruses. AJU is someone remotes in to run face at your house/if the precinct is extremely busy.

[–]Demty 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Who in their right mind goes to best buy for tech support? They hire kids at 12 per hour that don't have a clue. They try selling you a new pc for adware issue. Horrible tech support choice. A good mom and pop shop wI'll charge you 50 and get it done right. Best buy will charge 280 and not even fix what's wrong. Amazing people still go there.

[–]Soundimus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not everybody is good with computers or knows what google even is. Not every GS employee will charge you full price to fix a your PC. They usually stack on fees the company requires if you are being rude. If not, you can pay as little as 30-40$. Did you know people also go back to the Car dealership they got their car at to get it fixed? Weird.

[–]ed20999 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

mom and pop around my way charge my mom's friend $150 for a reformat and $60.00 to move a 5 gigs of pics . needless to say i lost my fn mind when i found out . My mom yelled at her friend and said from now on call her before she does anything and let my son fix it .

[–]arnoldpalmerlemonade 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Worked for Geek Squad for eight years. Hate Best Buy with a passion, and hope they fail. I was told, directed, and guided to never search through customer information. If I had no purpose specific to a repair or fix, I never intruded into any personal folder. If it was a backup, you backup the whole folder, no need to go through customers files.

They later added Mule pc's for backup purposes to specifically give a platform for backing up customer data that did not give access to client data.

So when I read an article like this, I believe it was in a direct and limited case, and know personally it wasn't company policy on any level to do such.

[–]xRehab 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Jesus this shit again? There is no conspiracy here folks, just ordinary people doing their ordinary jobs.

> Dude takes dead HDD to BBY for recovery

> Drive gets shipped out to standard repair facility where they have all the tools to fix these things

> Tech fixing drive finished stage 1 recovery (general data restoration, no integrity checking yet) and updates the customer. Customer authorizes integrity check (stage 2 recovery)

> Integrity check requires techs to actually open files and verify they can be read by the OS

> Pizza pops up; tech reports it to authorities

Where is this conspiracy again? How is BBY illegally searching drives when the drive was brought in by the customer AND they authorized BBY to go through it to recover data? Please learn to at least post reasonable conspiracy links.

[–]Dusk_Lite 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Having previously worked at Best buy and watched the Geek Squad work on occasion, I doubt this is common. I'm sure it's done in some places but I doubt it's a very common thing.

[–]ThatDamnedImp 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

ITT: a shitload of very obvious shills.

[–]MBKUltra 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't Snopes debunk this? ;-)

[–]Probatus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Contracting out to the m05t 31337 h4X0rz.

[–]themooster32 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But I thought the CIA had the "dankest trojans".

[–]NinthReich 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

"are you suuuure you're gonna be able to install a hard drive into your laptop all by yourself? Alright dude, good luck with that"

-Asshole who wanted to charge me $60 to plug a hard drive into its port and install drivers

[–]themooster32 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They probably get commissions.

[–]NinthReich 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course, it was their condescending tone that surprised me. You're the one who's working at best buy dude.

[–]Por_Zing_Is 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chuck confirmed

[–]kanad3 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not like it's their fault. I'd assume every company is doing it.

[–]RAGEagnst_Machine 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why are Americans so easily persuaded to fuck each other over?

[–]coolshifts 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Best buy was just being a good citizen. Fuck the feds. They're the ones that pushed it. The technicians were just doing what they thought they should do. And it's not like they were doing things like the prison guards in wwii.

[–]fluxelegy 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Geek Squid is so fucked up. I have a friend that works there and they actually have a policy in place that allows them to run a program (probably given to them by the FBI) that scans your computer for pictures of anime. Too many anime pictures? They are legally able to fry your computer on the spot, if you're lucky. If you're unlucky it's straight to prison for you. My local pastor was taken to Guantanamo Bay for taking his family computer to best buy after his son watched Naruto on it.

[–]lee61 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not....

[–]Soundimus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's joking. It just made my day too.

[–]H3MP79 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love the Geek squad they always do great work for me. Glad you stupid fucks think that pedos deserve anything less than dismemberment.

[–]cuntpuncher_69 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Really? We're more mad at best buy than the fbi for forcing this?

[–]Jamer508 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When you arr certified as a computer repair specialisy you are obligated by law to report child porn. Under the gies of that im sure the fbi was wanting to know morr about us. Because we are soooo interesting.

[–]Enverex 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To sidestep the U.S. Constitution’s prohibition against warrantless invasions of private property, federal prosecutors and FBI officials have argued that Geek Squad employees accidentally find and report, for example, potential child pornography on customers’ computers without any prodding by the government.

Is this author retarded? By dropping it off and asking for GS to fix it, they would have had to agree with terms that basically say GS can view what's on there (otherwise they can't tell if anything's actually really been recovered or not, obviously).

If they find anything massively illegal, e.g. child porn then unsurprisingly they're going to report it.

Where/what is the conspiracy here?

[–]blamowhammo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm certainly done with them.

[–]qwertyegg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't even get why people would even pay to get scammed at that place, as well as tech support at staples, office depot, blah blah.

[–]TeenFitnessss 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But not chuck

[–]Sapperskrall 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As someone who has done computer repair for a living, I can say we all go through your files because curiosity is a hell of a thing. I never went as far as recovering deleted files though. Seriously though no one should need geek squad when you can find fixes by typing in your problem on a search engine most of the time.

[–]supershitposting 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

send computer to Geek Squad

Or

Set PC on fire

Choose one. Your hard drive gets wiped either way.

[–]serosis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be perfectly fair a hard drive has a chance of surviving a fire intact enough to read from.

[–]Schootingstarr 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"we were only following orders!"

[–]caffeineme 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I dunno....if you're dumb enough to DL and store CP on a hard drive, with NO actual encryption...and THEN hand it to someone else to fix, well, if you're that dumb, I got no pity.

[–]Gmk2006 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What is this, like the third posting of this over the last 6 months or so? Someone must be shorting Best Buy Stock n

[–]Cannot_go_back_now 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Support your local break/fix shops fuck geek squad. Also find another electronics distributor, HH Gregg is on fucking life support at this point, although I think there was something negative about them as well concerning warranties, other than them I have nothing else local but Walmart.

[–]MightyBooshs2e5 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anytime a computer is brought in for repair they are giving the tech the right to search their computer. If the tech finds something they deem illegal they are able to report it and be safe of any back lash from their client.

[–]Lukripar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I happen to work as a geek squad agent, and holy hell do they take customer privacy seriously. For every repair, there are terms and conditions that are signed by the client. These start out with "I authorize best buy/geek squad to..." And basically goes though allowing us to work on the computer.

There is also a second section on EVERY service order that I have to go over with every client that states if we discover anything that we believe to be illegal while performing our scope of work pertaining to this computer and specifically States child pornography and that we are required by law to report it.

Now my assumption as to why Kentucky seemed to get so many of these agents informing the FBI on certain situations is because that is where Geek squad City is. That is our main service center. That means if any data has been deleted or removed from the hard drive, the client can have us mail it out to Louisville. Those 4 or 5 agent's jobs are to sit in a room all day, no other agents are allowed into the DRD room, and recover lost or corrupted data from hard drives. And in compliance to our own policy and the law, those agent's will -as they should - report any child pornography they may find during their level 2 data recovery.

They make it sound like we go into every computer looking for things to get our clients in trouble which is really offensive. Every agent I've met from my store and the stores around me all want to help the client find the best solution with accuracy and speed.

I just wanted to provide some context into this particular case. I'm very proud to be an agent, and I have regulars that come in for help that I've built relationships with and I don't want their trust in me to be put into question because media is taking something out of context and throwing it in our face when all we want to do is our job and do it excellently.

I can provide my badge number if necessary for verification purposes.

[–]jkess04 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Old ass news but if you are dumb enough to use geek squad, I'm sorry but you deserve it

[–]Anonymous_ARA 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

First off, I doubt this was the norm. I was an ARA and we didn't have that kind of time to care about that. If for some reason a level 1 was performed (always at the request of the client), we would basically follow sop and just report it found whatever type files and recovered them.

Just snooping around??? Nope, not with 20 to 30 computers on the bench. No way.

That said, I turned on many computers with the full nude wallpaper, or screen saver. Yes, kind of embarrassing to have happen in front of that mom and her children (when the front agent triaged the pc). And yes, if it appeared to be porn, we'd follow procedure and notify management, police. That's the same anywhere (In 4 years it never happened to anyone at the store I worked at).

The other issue here is IF it were child porn, wouldn't you WANT to turn in the person? Really? I cannot imagine anyone arguing privacy here.....

Relax folks, this was at worst an isolated incident and we are not snooping through your files.

[–]Dystopiq 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Relax folks, this was at worst an isolated incident and we are not snooping through your files.

It's not GS they're worried about. It's the FBI.

[–]PortOfDenver 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (18子コメント)

/r/FBI2, the "New FBI" fighting for "justice" (except for 9/11 + Anthrax). Vampire fistbump

[–]S1de8urnz 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just hate best buy. So upvote for this

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    [–]mi3agent 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not like it's not like drugs in that beauty pageant... another Federal Bureau Of Investigation deception!

    [–]Epsonality 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Me: Hey, George, are you connected to the Internet?

    Best buy employee: Uhh, our computers have an ethernet connection, yeah

    Me: Hey, George, do you know what the CIA is?

    BBE: Uhh, yeah, why what's up

    Me: Hey, George, are you connected to the CIA?

    BBE: ..........

    Edit: formatting

    [–]PissingOnTrump 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Yup, yet another thing that gets ripped apart in the comments. At this point, do you think the sun is a government cover up.

    [–]80cartoonyall 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Worked for Apple and did date transfers, we never looked through customers private data unless they were with us and gave consent. But if we did see anything that was breaking the law we were required to call the police.