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CENSORSHIP[censorship]It should be possible to criticize moderators. (self.KotakuInAction)

Kinbaku_enthusiast が 投稿

I posted a simple topic to see if many people still agree that the posting guidelines are less than ideal ("shit"). It was more upvoted than downvoted.

I'm posting this to use my voice to protest the censorship. I think it needs to be possible to criticize moderators, just as we can criticize other subscribers and contributors on kia.

I think something has gone wrong with the self-reflection of moderators when they use their moderation tools to censor these opinions.

I want to support the moderators. It's harder to do so when they're squelching when you want to criticize something.

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/5ystnq/meta_this_topic_is_a_reminder_for_the_moderators/

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[–]Spokker 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I have no idea what's going on but never listen to moderators and never follow their rules. They are scum and mostly failures who snatched a modicum of power on an Internet forum.

They are also either really fat or really skinny most of the time.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well I disagree with that. I don't care what they look like and I don't think they're scum by definition.

[–]C4Cypher"Privilege" is just a code word for "Willingness to work hard" 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

kay

[–]mnemosyne-0002chibi mnemosyne 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archives for links in this post:

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[–]mnemosyne-0001archive bot 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Archive links for this discussion:

I am Mnemosyne reborn. I'm sorry david-me, I'm afraid I can't do that. /r/botsrights

[–]baconatedwaffle [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I don't suppose we have any replacements in mind?

Is Kia about to experience a totally organic and not in the least downvote bot supported user revolt?

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I'm not asking all mods to be replaced, just that criticism should not be a bannable offense.

I don't think assumptions of bot use are helpful.

[–]baconatedwaffle [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

'we need more transparency wrt mod decisions' be different than 'person X needs to be demodded'

I think this is the difference between criticism and head hunting.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Honestly I just wanted to talk about the point system. But since that topic was removed, fine, I'll talk about moderators and their actions.

In regards to your comparison, I don't think that's the difference between the two at all.

To be frank, if I served a community and there was this amount displeasure about my actions, if I listen to them and I believe their displeasure to have merit, I'd make a public statement apologizing and stating my intent to do better.

And if I listened and I believe their displeasure to be unmerited, I'd step down as obviously I'd not be a good representative of the community.

I get the impression that a moderator is being protected from criticism and that maybe other moderators aren't willing to criticize said moderator.

So it's not about transparency, it's about many people having bad experiences either directly or indirectly with the same moderator. People really don't readily agree to get a moderator demodded on the basis of nothing. I have more faith in the community than that I would believe that.

[–]CountVonVague [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Ok. I understand the sentiment of not wanting ur posts to be removed but at the same time compared to other "subject" subs KIA tends to be remarkably loose with posting guidelines imo. As the sub approaches 80k we're also going to see more and more ppl curious about whats going on here and as many also reporting posts for one thing or another. Just fyi all removed posts are archived as well as accessible via the KIAdeletedlinks twitter account

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The posting guidelines may or may not be loose (I'd call them complex and oblique rather than loose or strict), but in practice it tends to not be that loose at all. Most frequent posters would agree with that, I believe.

[–]MilkaC0w [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I upvoted it even though I did not agree with you at all. Upvoting does not necessarily mean agreeing with someone (at least not to me), but that you consider this valuable. I upvoted because several people nicely summarized it in the comments.

You are behaving like a little child having a tantrum, seriously. Your topic got removed because it did not follow the rules, but you got told what to do - repost it with reasoning according to rule 3. Instead of doing it you created another topic and ranted. That topic was left open for a while and then the mods posted that there will be another discussion on rule 3 tomorrow. That wasn't good enough for you, you made another topic and ranted. That got closed. Still not satisfied and wanting to create even more of a fucking annoyance you now made this topic. You're truly triggered, aren't you? D:

[–]porygonzguy@ThatPoryGuy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It's a good thing they aren't censoring criticism of themselves then.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I gave an example of that.

[–]porygonzguy@ThatPoryGuy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Really? I don't see any examples of censorship.

I see you whining that your thread was removed for being a repost of the "delete Pinkerbell" thread from earlier.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I didn't ask for pinkerbell to be deleted. Thus it isn't a repost.

[–]porygonzguy@ThatPoryGuy -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Semantics. It's a rehash of the same topic.

[–]kyed13 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is that the sound of goal posts moving way?

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It only seems that way to you because you're painting with too broad a brush. If I were to guess I'd say cognitive dissonance about something you don't want to hear.

I'll keep saying it until I can say it without being squelched.

[–]porygonzguy@ThatPoryGuy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's a cute ad hom, care to try again in a way that doesn't immediately discredit yourself?

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If ad homs discredited people your use of the word whining would have done so earlier in this thread.

[–]porygonzguy@ThatPoryGuy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course.

Let me put it in a non ad hom way then.

I see you posting unsubstantiated fear mongering over your thread being removed for being a repost of the "delete Pinkerbell" thread from earlier.

Better for you?

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're not really trying to go anywhere with this, are you?