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[–]contraryview 39 points40 points41 points  (17 children)
I've said this before and I'll say it again. If AAP has to survive, it has to move away from AK as it's supreme leader. They need to go back to what won them the Delhi elections in the first place - ground organisation and volunteer work. They need to publicize what they are doing in schools and healthcare, and move away from AK's stupid outbursts.
[–]Dunkaegon 13 points14 points15 points  (5 children)
AAP came to power boasting about being an anti-establishment, people's party open for the masses. Kejriwal destroyed that image almost instantly by kicking out anyone who was a dissenter or a threat to his position.
AAP also took the moral high ground on every single issue and consequently expectations of them are much higher. They have come nowhere close to matching those.
Delhi is 2017 is a much more polluted, crowded and expensive place to live in than the Delhi of 2012. This is not necessarily Kejriwal's fault, but it will still reflect on him to most people.
If AAP wants to stay relevant, AK needs to shut up with the dramabaazi, catfights and focus on performance.
[–]redweddingsareawesomUniverse 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
AAP also took the moral high ground on every single issue and consequently expectations of them are much higher. They have come nowhere close to matching those.
I think this is the biggest problem. The expectations set of them are too high such that even if they are significantly better than Congress, AAP etc they will still fall short of people's expectations.
Delhi is 2017 is a much more polluted, crowded and expensive place to live in than the Delhi of 2012. This is not necessarily Kejriwal's fault, but it will still reflect on him to most people.
You can replace 2012 and 2017 with any two random subsequent years (even ones into the future) and this statement will hold. Same if you replace Delhi with any other place in India. Don't see what this has to do with anything.
[–]Dunkaegon [score hidden]  (0 children)
The thing is Delhi's pollution issues get far more coverage and there is an element of truth in that. The standard of living and clean air has declined far more in Delhi and UP than in the south (including MH and Orissa) and people tend to blame the existing governments for that inaction.
[–]SouthieSaar -2 points-1 points0 points  (2 children)
Because that's what the media has been feeding you and everyone else. No mention of the projects undertaken by him/his government? Do you think they are really killing mosquitos in their offices?
Afaik, Dear Leader lives in the same city/country. But India 2017 is much more polluted and expensive compared to India 2014. Yet people are voting in droves for him.
[–]Dunkaegon [score hidden]  (1 child)
Don't blame the media for Kejriwal's antics. If he didn't give them munition by constantly getting into public tiffs or throwing tantrums about the BJP, they would have been focussing on his performance instead.
There is only one person to be blamed for why Kejriwal's image has come to be associated with drama and histrionics and that's AK himself.
Hope this serves as a wake up call for him. Unfortunately I think he is going to do the opposition and double down on his antics instead of focussing on getting the work done.
[–]SouthieSaar [score hidden]  (0 children)
What has he done in the past 6 months?
[–]Froogler 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
AK is the face of the party. There is no change there. AAP will now know to their PR strategy. Opposing Modi and everything and sundry is not a strategy. They were expected to bring a non corrupt government and that is what they should be their PR on.
[–]redweddingsareawesomUniverse 6 points7 points8 points  (8 children)
Hijacking the top comment - but is it really a "defeat"? Less than 3 years ago, they were wildly celebrating being the second largest party in the small city-state of Delhi. Since then, they have Delhi, they are the main opposition now in Punjab, they have a good chance of winning the MCD polls and the inevitable alt-NDA/UPA alliance includes TMC/West Bengal and possibly Nitish Kumar/Lalu Prasad Yadav in Bihar.
Not bad progress for 3 years from a strictly political perspective (obviously when you align with fellows such as TMC and Yadav and give tickets to ex-SAD candidates in Punjab you're just another political party and not a "movement against corruption").
It took BJP almost two decades to establish themselves as a national force. AAP will be a force by 2024 if they continue at this pace. As dislikable Kejriwal is (as a Delhi resident, I was hoping for a Punjab victory so that he could fuck off there and let Sisodia or Mishra take over Delhi CM) .... he is delivering results politically even if the idealism is in massive short supply.
[–]blackhawk82 6 points7 points8 points  (5 children)
There is a point that you are missing. You have to work a lot to make your foundations. BJP AND RSS did that for last 50 years. They are getting the results. It's not about how fast you get it, it's about how strong your foundations are, how you sustain your momentum and how you come back from defeats. I think AAP has no foundation and will not bounce back from defeats. They have already started going negative and can even lose Delhi next time. You see how BJP manages to retain its states for longer time.
[–]redweddingsareawesomUniverse 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Obviously they are not going to build anything close to RSS/BJP foundations in 3 years time. There is a FB post by Varun Gupta, an AAP volunteer which describes the systematic way they went about campaigning in Punjab and its quite impressive which shows they are working on it (can't link to it here as FB links are banned). They are systemically recruiting experienced politicians from Congress and other Left leaning parties who are finished rather than going for greenhorn candidates.
Obviously, they can lose Delhi in next elections, lose Punjab etc but right now, their current status is not bad. 63 seats in Delhi, 22 or so seats in Punjab. I think Congress and BJP are the only other political parties with a significant electoral presence in more than 1 state.
[–]SouthieSaar -2 points-1 points0 points  (0 children)
What are BJP and RSS' foundations of the last 50 years?
[–]TemptNotTheBladeModi making India grate again with his speeches -4 points-3 points-2 points  (2 children)
You see how BJP manages to retain its states for longer time.
They lost UP after they won it earlier. They lost Karnataka after they won it earlier.
[–]redweddingsareawesomUniverse 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Expect for some really strong regional parties - neither BJP nor Congress can survive more than 2 terms. The anti-incumbency factor is just too strong in Indian politics.
[–]Puddlesofsweat [score hidden]  (0 children)
BJP ,
  • Gujarat - 5 successive terms, on their 5th,
  • MP - on their 3rd successive term,
  • Chatisgsgarh - on their 3rd successive term,
Congress has pulled this feat off in many states as well.
Which regional parties have done this? BJD, Communists and?
[–]Puddlesofsweat [score hidden]  (1 child)
The BJP in its year of formation won 60 seats in a state like MP, it won 15 seats in UP when it fought it's first elections in UP. It's first LS elections aww it winning a 8% vote share, AAP'a first outing in the LS saw a 2.5% vote share.
They always had a strong base in Delhi...They won their 2 parliamentary seats in 2014 in Delhi when a place like UP rejected Kejriwal himself. Right from 2014, people were predicting an AAP win in Punjab.
There is no indication of any support for AAP outside of Delhi and Punjab. A lot of noise was made about how they will sweep Goa...They have won zero seats in Goa as of now.
They will be a regional party, restricted to Delhi and Punjab, there is zero appeal or anything different they offer for voters to switch allegiances from the Congress, BJP or other regional parties.
They initially took the urban electorate by storm in 2013 and 14, they did such new, unheard of things...fielding genuine Aam Admi's, staying clear of political games and we very unique...if they can get back to those roots, yes, they have a huge opportunity, but in their current form, under Kejriwal?
[–]redweddingsareawesomUniverse [score hidden]  (0 children)
The BJP in its year of formation won 60 seats in a state like MP, it won 15 seats in UP when it fought it's first elections in UP.
Sound similar to AAP's performance in their first two states - 63 in Delhi and 22 something in Punjab.
It's first LS elections aww it winning a 8% vote share, AAP'a first outing in the LS saw a 2.5% vote share.
Weird that you switched over to vote share from seats - AAP won 3 seats in their first LS elections and BJP won 2.
They will be a regional party, restricted to Delhi and Punjab, there is zero appeal or anything different they offer for voters to switch allegiances from the Congress, BJP or other regional parties.
Maybe, maybe not. I wouldn't write off AAP just yet. Anti incumbency is the strongest political factor and by 2024 - no matter how well Modi does - it'll be pretty strong. Will it be Congress who rides this wave or AAP or some other party? 7 years is a long time...
[–]minigunmaniac [score hidden]  (0 children)
AAP is over. Kejriwal strangled it to death.
[–]rindiaa 26 points27 points28 points  (17 children)
deja vu... i remember the 2014 defeat :(
Modi has to start delivering and people need to support AAP instead of congress.
[–]FauladiSingh 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
AAP is going to lose all Delhi seats to the BJP in the 2019 LS elections too. The people who voted for them want to see Modi at the centre and Kejriwal managing Delhi. And tbh if Kejri doesn't concentrate on Delhi and keeps spending time in other states they might struggle to win the next assembly elections as well. A LOT of Delhiites have started missing the Shiela Dikshit days and if the Congress were to prop up a half decent face, they are going to seriously dent AAP's prospects. Still, at the vidhan sabha level, they are still ahead of BJP and Congress if elections were to take place today.
[–]pvntr 25 points26 points27 points  (14 children)
people need to support AAP instead of congress
AAP is congress' b-team IMO
[–]serial_up 11 points12 points13 points  (12 children)
I'd actually think that they split votes away from Congress. So, BJP's B team IMO.
[–]JamieNoble03Telangana 3 points4 points5 points  (10 children)
AAP is noone's B-Team, it is a voice for the fringe Left and marginalized unorganized sector elements (hawkers, autorickshaw drivers, small traders etc. who feel threatened by foreign investment/FDI and mass industrialization/globalization).
[–]anuragsins1991 6 points7 points8 points  (3 children)
Salaried class voted for him in Delhi.
[–]JamieNoble03Telangana -5 points-4 points-3 points  (2 children)
Salaried class in Delhi are complete opposite of AAP core votebank. AAP takes taxes from salaried class and distributes as freebies to hawker/slumdog class.
[–]redweddingsareawesomUniverse 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
slumdog
Lol, casaul elitism.
[–]anuragsins1991 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
takes taxes from salaried class and distributes as freebies to hawker/slumdog class.
Every government does that. Center does that. You can say X does that.
Heck this budget was Freebies for poor as is every budget.
Now AAP takes taxes and gives people cheap electricity and water, which was not there before. And benefactors include salaried class, Hawkers and slumdog are not the demographic of Electricity/Water subsidy. When electricity bills go from 4-5k to 2k, it helps for salaried class, when Water bill comes 0 for months at a time, it helps.
These are not for Slumdogs.
Anyway that was not my point, when AAP won 67-3, whole/majority of salaried class went and voted for AAP. New Delhi constituency which is full of Bureaucrats and Govt service(no slums/no Business), Kejriwal enjoyed salaried class votes there.
[–]contraryview 9 points10 points11 points  (4 children)
Hawkers and auto wallahs now overwhelmingly support Modi.
[–]JamieNoble03Telangana -3 points-2 points-1 points  (3 children)
I get the exact opposite sense from interacting with them.
[–]contraryview 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
Really? That's strange.
I've stay in Delhi and all I see is disgruntled auto wallahs who feel that AAP has betrayed them by not banning Uber and Ola. Go to jantar mantar and their associations have perpetual protests against AAP and these companies.
The hawkers all seem to be caught up in demonization hoopla.
I think AAP is losing badly in the municipal elections.
[–]jeerabiscuit -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
BJP has done shit (pun intended) through Delhi MCD. I am going to try out AAP for once with Delhi MCD.
[–]blackhawk82 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I think you are part of team that does surveys for AAP.
[–]GrowlGandhiOffice Bearer, Virat Hindu Club, Utt. Pades 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
AHAHAHAHAHA, priceless!
[–]MonsultantAndher Nagri Chaupat Raja 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
They have missed a big chance in Punjab. There may not be any coming back from this for AAP.
[–]KhesariLal 13 points14 points15 points  (22 children)
They atleast got respectable seats in Punjab.
AAP = Heart of Congress + Body of BJP. Pta nhi logo ko alag kya lagta he inme
[–]ShoonyaFucksGiven 40 points41 points42 points  (6 children)
If you want the mainstream junta to join you then dont accuse them of being *kts and all and dont act all smug.
AAP followers act too smug and that alienates the normal voter. To create a mass movement you have to stop alienating people.
[–]KhesariLal 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
They can't dent the main stream junta and they don't have any resources/competent people to even go into Bharat. That leaves India where its either Congress or Bjp. So you go for Congress votes as BJP voters are currently satisfied with them. Pretty solid planning. If only they could take Modi factor in account. I'm not going to lie, I thought his popularity will decrease overtime, but never thought it will increase. If you go to UP he's even more popular than he was in 2014.
[–]ShoonyaFucksGiven 18 points19 points20 points  (3 children)
No you are wrong. During Delhi election AAP was very mainstream and we had junta here that were very candid about supporting AAP. Then the powers that be here started going very power hungry and it has created a divide even here that a normal person who could have been on fence is now very rabidly anti AAP.
[–]JamieNoble03Telangana -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
I doubt AAP has lost a huge chunk of support in Delhi to be in a position to actually lose a Delhi Vidhan Sabha election were it to be held now. I keep on hearing praise for Sisodia among the usual autorickshaw driver-hawker-migrant-small trader crowd. IMO Sisodia still is highly regarded as opposed to Kejriwal (similar to how Amarinder Singh helped Congress to win in PB, as opposed to Pappu).
[–]rant7 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
MCD elections in Delhi coming up in April. Let me be the first one to say that Manoj Tiwari will end up with less seats for BJP than AAP will get. I may not like AAP and its leaders, but as of now, they are more competent in Delhi than the corrupt BJP politicians in MCD
[–]thegodofbigthings 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
You overestimate how much the average person cares about your Twitter wars.
[–]pvntr 21 points22 points23 points  (5 children)
Heart of Congress = corruption
[–]KhesariLal 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
I was implying how Congress revolves around Gandhis and AAP around Kejriwal. Both of them are part of secular brigade, same target, same organisation structure. While there cadres and fans are as irrational and amnesiac as that of BJP and same we will change the whole world crowd.
I say pretty good combination for a party only if Kejriwal was some what rational and competent leader. Well you can't get everything in this world can you?
[–]The-MitrI am not saying that, you did. 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
soon bjp will revolve round modi, or it is right now ?
[–]KhesariLal 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
I don't think BJP revolves around Modi, in Govt of India Yes(he seems to ward off RSS pretty easily) but not in BJP matters. Take Maharashtra, where Fadnavis was backed by RSS and now is fairly popular state wise. Same for Assam, Chattisgarh and other state. Only fuck up I can think of is Haryana and Rajasthan currently.
[–]JamieNoble03Telangana 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Kejriwal is no less competent than the average leader from other parties. All parties have won and lost elections over the last 15 years, why should Kejri be singled out as a failure for this one single loss in Punjab ?
[–]khich-khich 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Whats the criteria to be in a "secular" brigade ?
[–]funkibludawg 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
AAP = Heart of Congress + Body of Communists.
FTFY
[–]logout20 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
kuchh bhi
[–]KhesariLal 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Kuch galat keh diya kya aapke Ishwar ke baare me?
[–]viksiJivey Jivey Kejriwal -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
25 odd seats in an election where BJP only gets 3 is a win in my books. The other murmurs are that bjp ordered cadre to vote congress in seats that were swinging . Look at north punjab for example.
[–]The-MitrI am not saying that, you did. -1 points0 points1 point  (1 child)
Cow? Where is the bloddy cow in this?
[–]KhesariLal 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
Modiji Cow se kam he kya , Uniting Opposition and Voters from 2014.
[–]-crossword- 13 points14 points15 points  (17 children)
Punjabis prove they're smarter than Delhiites.
[–]danielmachadoGoa 25 points26 points27 points  (11 children)
Seriously Congress better than AAP?
[–]_HariSeldon_ 32 points33 points34 points  (2 children)
Maybe. Maybe not. Captain better than kejriwal definitely.
[–]JamieNoble03Telangana 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
In Punjab not even Kejriwal, rather Pegwant Mann.
[–]-crossword- 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
AAP is running on Khalistani funding from Canada. No low is enough for Kejriwal. People voted against corrupt Akalis, and terrorist-sympathising AAP. My hardcore BJP-supporter dad (we had the BJP flag on our fence in 2014) says he hopes to see the day that Akalis are completely wiped out of Punjab. Congress is the better of evils.
[–]redweddingsareawesomUniverse comment score below threshold-7 points-6 points-5 points  (0 children)
When did Ford Foundation become Khalistani?
[–]the_infinite_jest 10 points11 points12 points  (1 child)
Seriously, I would pick AAP over Congress any day. Congress needs to die. Like, yesterday.
[–]hksjHila ke so ja 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
not when you see his work in Delhi.
[–]JamieNoble03Telangana 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I'm tired of ascribing a quality to a whole ethnicity based on which Party wins in that State. No party ever gets more than 35% of the total voteshare to win a State. So a Majority of people of that State actually vote against the wining Party.
[–]redweddingsareawesomUniverse -3 points-2 points-1 points  (0 children)
If the amount of Volvo buses arriving at IGIA arriving from Punjab every day is any indication, then yes - they are clearly smarter.
[–]-shaktiman- 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
Aap should give up center dream for 2019 and focus on haryana instead.
In haryana last gormint was a fuck up and current gormint is no better, people might vote for aap.
[–]JamieNoble03Telangana 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Aap should concentrate on the '35 communities' and occupy the vacuum that Bansi Lal and Janhit Congress' had.
[–]clanlordMaharashtra 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
they need strong advisors
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