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Iron Fist Reviews Megathread (self.marvelstudios)

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  • Iron Fist isn't just racially uncomfortable, it's also a boring show - Verge

  • Gamespot liked it: 5 Reasons You Should Watch Marvel's Iron Fist

  • Iron Fist: a second-rate Daredevil that matches the low expectations - Radio Times

  • It’s safe to say that, based on the first six episodes of “Iron Fist”, the series delivers a knock-out punch of chi-powered action, (and music) scoring another hit for the Marvel Cinematic Universe. - Kung Fu Kingdom

  • When you pour water into a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water into a toilet bowl, it becomes the toilet, and you need to flush. 6/10 Geekculture

  • “Marvel’s Iron Fist” is deadly — in all the wrong ways. - Variety

  • Instead of badass martial arts, ‘Iron Fist’ is mostly about corporate drama - Dailydot

  • Marvel's Iron Fist is a show that starts somewhat on the rough side. It has trouble finding its vision and footing. The show definitely picks up later on in the first half for the first season and does appear to be getting quite stronger. - 411mania

  • Iron Fist doesn't pack as much of a punch as comics fans might like. - IGN

  • Limp ‘Iron Fist’ Is The First Complete Misfire Of Netflix’s Marvel Shows - Uproxx

  • Marvel’s ‘Iron Fist’ puts up a fight, but may be ‘The Defenders’ weakest link - DigitalTrends

  • Marvel fanatics will relish another addition to the growing Netflix canon but should be forewarned of the diminishing returns inherent in the fun but subpar Iron Fist. - WeGotThisCovered

  • Marvel breaks winning Netflix streak with Iron Fist - Polygon

  • After the successes of 'Daredevil,' 'Jessica Jones' and 'Luke Cage,' Marvel and Netflix have their first big misstep. - HollywoodReporter

  • A Hero And Show In An Identity Crisis - HeroicHollywood

  • Too grounded to punch out of the Marvel mold - Cnet

  • Marvel's final piece to the Defenders puzzle falls into place, even if it takes some time to find its inner chi. 3,5/5 - TheReelBits

  • The Final Defender Arrives - MarvelReport

  • 'Iron Fist' is a fine addition to the Marvel universe but suffers from its white lead - BusinessInsider

  • Come for the Fights, Stay…for the Corporate Litigation? - Collider

  • Where’s the Action? - Koalition

  • ‘Iron Fist’ Is Marvel First Real Netflix Misfire - CutPrintFilm

  • Iron Fist is not actually very good. - Hypeable

  • Marvel's Iron Fist Netflix series takes longer to get going than its predecessors. Maybe a little too long. - DenofGeek

  • A Solid Entry Into Marvel's Line-Up Of DEFENDERS - ComicBookMovie

  • Iron Fist is waiting for the spark to ignite. 3/5 - Nerdist

  • Jessica Henwick & Rosario Dawson Are Real Muscle In Marvel Series - Deadline

  • Superhero Fiction Needs to Change or Die - Vulture

  • He's no Daredevil, but there's nothing wrong with him being 'white' Digit

  • Marvel’s latest Netflix show puts up a fight - Yahoo

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[–]The_Asian_HamsterDoctor Strange[M] [スコア非表示] stickied comment (1子コメント)

Since more and more reviews are coming out I'm sticking this now.

Please do not post any seperate reviews or threads outside of this one, they will be removed.

[–]ethicalhamjimmiesDaredevil 128 ポイント129 ポイント  (14子コメント)

The one thing that confuses me is that if this show is as much of a dud as these reviews are implying, why did marvel rehire Scott Buck for the inhumans?

[–]farzadviperHawkeye (Ultron) 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think it confused people that they let him do this show too and look what happened

[–]your_mind_achesAida 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I've said it again and again. Jeph Loeb's name not being on the first press release for Inhumans is very very fishy. He's clearly still an executive producer and he comments on it all the time now, but still. It makes me think that the Inhumans series came from... higher up. You know. Someone who was trying to get Inhumans made for years...

That's scary.

[–]SandieSandwicheadmanJessica Jones 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because they hired him before the reviews went out~

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    [–]potrap 259 ポイント260 ポイント  (30子コメント)

    Reading some of these headlines, I now understand why the embargo went on so late.

    [–]jooohLuis 158 ポイント159 ポイント  (29子コメント)

    I felt the lack of confidence for this series since there were little marketing compared to the other Netflix series. There seemed to be no anticipation/hype from MCU or Defenders fans, except the Iron Fist fanbase.

    [–]potrap 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    It's a real shame, since Iron Fist has a very interesting backstory and mythos and the chance to explore interesting social themes, but it was clear from the delay in production (the press release listed the as third of four, not fourth of fourth) they had some trouble nailing it.

    [–]your_mind_achesAida 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    inb4 fanboys claim the show isn't good because of the race backlash

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      [–]jordanrhysWinter Soldier 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      With the same guy who show ran Ironfist now doing Inhumans, you'd think that would mean Marvel was confident in his ability. But now with these reviews, I'm curious as to why he got the job.

      [–]AbidNagaSpider-Man 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Iron Fist is my favourite Marvel character, right next to Spider-Man so all these reviews are bumming me out, but some reviewers I normally follow are praising it which gives me hope!

      https://twitter.com/Josh_Wilding

      https://twitter.com/RorMachine

      [–]Worthyness 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      I'm just disappointed mostly because crazy people on twitter will now use it as a reason to support their respective narratives. With all the controversey with the show, marvel had to knock it out of the park to save face, which this appears to not have done.

      [–]ReGalePWR 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      On the bright side, Marvel's probably gonna look at this the same way they did with Strange and go "right, let's not pull an Ancient One/this again"

      [–]Worthyness 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Well they basically ran out of popular potentially racist asian characters. Shang chi is the only one left that might stand a chance..

      [–]ishipbrutasha 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Respective narratives? lol. Going back at least 200 years, white men going east to comprehend their western selves has produced flat characters. Someone brought up how Big Trouble in Little China was making fun of these tropes 30 years ago. This was totally expected.

      Perhaps there were more committed fans with a superior narrative who simply weren't listened to, many of whom had the particular experience of living in their own skin all their lives and seeing how they had been portrayed. Sad, really. We could have had it all.

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        [–]UnrealLuigiDaredevil 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        Anyone know which outlets got the entire season to review already, or if Netflix has only released the first six episodes? I saw on Twitter someone talking about episode 7 or 8 so I wasn't sure if only a few outlets were granted the full first season.

        Regardless, this is very disappointing but the trailers were all pretty lacking imo, so this isn't a huge surprise. Shame they didnt seem to go as crazy as Legion went. Goes to show that Scott Buck was not a good choice for this show

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          [–]sdeezy1987 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I'm most disappointed by the fact that the action scenes suck. I was hoping the Colleen Wing scene wasnt indicative of the entire show. If there was one thing Iron Fist needed to have, It was insane hand to hand combat. This is the same world as Daredevil, you gotta come correct or GTFO

          [–]ReGalePWR 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Should've gotten Sakamoto, I'm sure Disney's still got his number somewhere

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            [–]The_Iceman2288Thanos 253 ポイント254 ポイント  (33子コメント)

            Not just bad news for Iron Fist - bad news for Inhumans, they have the same showrunner.

            [–]tony1grendelFitz 117 ポイント118 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            This is my biggest fear.

            [–]Dr_MidniteDoctor Strange 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            What about the cuttlefish?

            [–]sonic10158Rocket 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            I saw a documentary, it was terrifying

            [–]ReGalePWR 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            It's comin' out muh asshole with the asparagus. Hold on Kylu, I barive in you

            [–]IDGAFWMNI 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            I had fairly low expectations for this show precisely because of Buck's involvement. People tried to downplay it when he was first announced as the showrunner, but he did an absolutely terrible job with the last few seasons of Dexter, and there was really no reason (other than general confidence in Marvel's track record) to have any faith in his ability to deliver here, either.

            If you really want to squint and look for reasons for optimism, I suppose you can say that Inhumans will likely be a completely tonally different show, and maybe there's a chance that Buck will be better suited for that. But it's probably best not to expect much from it. Marvel may deserve the benefit of the doubt in most hiring decisions, but Buck really is a complete hack of a writer.

            [–]victorxxiJessica Jones 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (5子コメント)

            I do think it's a character thing, as Colleen is being praised by every review I read.

            I'm praying it's the characters.

            [–]ReGalePWR 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            I saw one review where they basically said "it's Batman Begins but if Bruce was a man child"

            [–]Sentry459War Machine 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Yikes.

            [–]kickshawDarcy 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            That would be hilarious if portrayed by Lego Batman. Iron Fist, maybe not so much.

            [–]flim-flam13 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            Can someone clear this up for me? How much does Scott Buck control. For instance, if the dialogue or writing is poor.. is that Buck's fault?

            [–]victorxxiJessica Jones 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (4子コメント)

            If his job as showrunner is done right, he's the head writer - as in he probably did the first and last episodes (and some in the middle) then gave direction to his writers on how to handle the show and the characters, probably reviewing the script and asking for rewrites as they went. He probably had a few notes for the directors of the episodes as well.

            That's my understanding of how showrunning works, at least.

            [–]caesar_primus 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Scott Buck is the guy who fucked up Dexter. If that show is anything to go off of, Inhumans is screwed.

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              [–]barimanlhs 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              But Inhumans only has 8 episodes so the overall story will be shorter and may benefit from being a smaller, but quicker moving arc

              [–]Worthyness 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              That's always been my thing about the netflix series. They need to cut the amount down to like 8 or 10 episodes. 13 episodes is too long for what they want to do.

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                [–]Ailite 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                Scott Buck as the showrunner has had me kind of skeptical because of his work on Dexter, which was mostly really bad. I'll still watch it and probably enjoy a lot of it, but these reviews aren't very promising.

                [–]SpiderdawgSpider-Man 194 ポイント195 ポイント  (40子コメント)

                All they had to do was embrace Danny's character along with his story of mysticism and flat out weirdness. Not fucking hint at it and then focus on the more boring parts of Danny's life, what the fuck.

                Marvel TV have boxed themselves into this corner of completely adhering to this street level, gritty, realistic tone on Netflix. These shows have begun to feel like the same cake with different icing and toppings. Seriously disappointed with how it seems they've handled Danny's mythology, smh.

                [–]Chinchill-allfather 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Oh my god this. Not every character has to be Luke Cage/Jessica jones. Iron Fist pulls out the heart of a fucking DRAGON.

                Let's get weird.

                [–]BrogenerYellowjacket 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                My biggest fear was that they'd shy away from the things that really make Iron Fist unique. If I'm being honest I thought the trailers made it look way too similar to Daredevil.

                [–]SpiderdawgSpider-Man 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                Exactly what I thought. And as soon as I heard IF didn't get his costume (or even his bloody mask), I knew we were in for some bullshit.

                If Daredevil could get a full red and black devil battle suit, why the fuck couldn't Danny get green pants and a yellow mask? It's honestly ridiculous.

                [–]pkblitzTony Stark 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                This. Doctor Strange proved you can be crazy, wild and magical without going into comicbook cheesiness or leaving the grounded aspect of it all. I hate to say this but I'm getting the "cyclops" vibes from this ("what were you expecting to wear, yellow spandex?"/Fant4stic/some DC movies/etcetera where they don't embrace the comic and make it serious while being faithful, they just fucking dodge and "hint" at stuff and I fucking hate that).

                I hope I'm terribly wrong and I get to apologize.

                [–]HWB33Star-Lord 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Unfortunately that's the exact attitude that it seems like we've been getting in interviews from Scott Buck in regards to his origin and costume, and it really bums me out. If there's anything that I would hope that these directors/show runners would have learned by now about comic book properties, it's that both fans and general audiences appreciate it more when the work embraces the source material rather than "hinting at it" or acting ashamed of it. For the same reason I am very concerned that Inhumans is just going to be this boring, watered-down version of the source material, which the look at Black Bolt may support unfortunately.

                [–]FJSK999 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                I hate to say this but I'm getting the "cyclops" vibes from this ("what were you expecting to wear, yellow spandex?

                Exactly. All of the MCU films have shown you can go fulltilt comicbook with stuff and people will eat it up. Even in the realm of TV the CW is nothing but comicbook stuff right now. And those shows do actually embrace the crazy comicbook aspect of their respective properties. Hell Flash was fighting Gorilla Grodd in Gorilla City of an alternate Earth last week, tell me that isn't just fully embracing the craziness of the comicbooks and yet still making it work and a popular show. IMO Daredevil season 2 is the only one of the Netflix shows to actually feel like a comicbook TV show, and that's because it did some of the crazier stuff. But yet it got lesser reviews for it. To me I want to see DD fight zombie ninjas on the roof of a hospital. I don't want to see BS Law and Order police Drama in a show called Nick Cage. And I don't really want a show called Iron Fist to focus on Corporate Drama.

                [–]pkblitzTony Stark 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I will have to disagree on that last bit, I think we can have a balance of hardcore comicbook crazyness and well written, thrilling drama because that can be really enjoyable. The real problem is when there is no such balance and they only go with the corporate stuff. And the REAL real problem comes when they don't do that one thing well, which is what these reviews are saying. If that happens and you don't even have cool comicbook fights to back you up, we end up with Jurassic World without any dinosaurs (I LOVE Jurassic World, but it'd be the worst if someone forced me to watch a human-only cut of the movie, because that part was flawed).

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                  [–]KholdieSpider-Man 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Marvel TV have boxed themselves into this corner of completely adhering to this street level, gritty, realistic tone on Netflix. These shows have begun to feel like the same cake with different icing and toppings.

                  THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I feel like it worked for Daredevil and JJ and now they want to do that with every show. So, every show became almost the same instead of creating their own identity.

                  [–]alordoftimeDaredevil 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  I'm going to be honest, Luke Cage didn't pique my interest as much as Daredevil or Jessica Jones, I was super excited for both IF and LC but now I'm beginning to think they're just rehashing Daredevil S1 (S2 being superior for me) DD S1 was fresh and new for Marvel, Jessica kept the pace going because it was a much different narrative than DD, but ultimately had the same roots in tone. DD S2 took a different road from both by having both Punisher, Elektra and The Hand. Jessica went after a man who had personally affected her to prevent others from the same thing. DD stopped Kingpin because he was pulling strings; now LC has repeated this, twice, and Iron Fist will continue. I love The Defenders but I'll be expecting the miniseries to be much better than what the past two have been.

                  [–]your_mind_achesAida 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Disagree with the "same cake" thing. Every season of Netflix Marvel so far has been unique and interesting. Iron Fist seems like it's the first dud. Hopefully the last as well.

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                    [–]ToggleFaceOn 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                    So not off to the best start by the looks of things.

                    The Netflix shows have been really frustrating for me - they've had flashes of real brilliance, but always with pacing issues and running out of steam towards the finale. But they always started out strong enough to carry my attention through to the end. Think I might wait for some reviews of the second half of IF before deciding whether to watch it.

                    Also didn't realise that the showrunner for Iron Fist is helming the Inhumans, so now that's got me a little concerned.

                    [–]StrngBrew 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                    I think this is the one big risk with doing shows for Netflix vs regular TV.

                    Because regular TV shows are being filmed and written while the season is airing, they have a chance to course correct. If things aren't quite working on a Netflix show... It's not likely to get any better. The show is done, wrapped.

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                      [–]Dr_MidniteDoctor Strange 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      My main concern is that the fight scenes are not wowing the reviewers. I could live with the show being a bit slow at times. I can live with it being more grounded, gritty and less mystical and what not. But this is Iron Fist, how do you hire any director for this show that doesn't know how to direct the fights well?

                      Why weren't the DD stunt people brought on board to help? Why didn't they look at movies like John Wick and try to emulate that. DD looked at Oldboy and The Raid for their fight inspirations. Look at old kung-fu movies and try and do things like that.

                      I still hope it's not as bad as these reviews are making it out to be. But I'd be lying if I said I'm still as hyped for this as I was a week or so ago.

                      [–]Ruhail_56Iron Man (Mark V) 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      its because they got a showrunner who wasnt interested in the best parts of Iron Fist.

                      [–]Dr_MidniteDoctor Strange 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      Which I find odd. Loeb has been very good at picking show runners for the other Netflix shows, so I'm curious why he thought Scott's pitch was better than the others.

                      [–]Ruhail_56Iron Man (Mark V) 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      imo I think he was literally the first guy who came along.

                      [–]PepperBeef2Spicy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Pretty much this, I could forgive if everything besides the fighting was bad. I mean for Christ's sake, it's a show about a Martial Arts Prodigy with Magic Kung Fu he also just happens to be the heir to a multibillionare corporation. How can a show so emphasized on Martial Arts not even do it's fight scenes well? I pray these reviews are just looking ati t funny.

                      [–]MCUfeldBlack Panther 57 ポイント58 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      Sounds like they turned IRON FIST into a corporate drama instead of the mystical martial arts spectacle it should be. What a shame.

                      Marvel/Netflix had the perfect blueprint with Fraction/Brubaker's IMMORTAL IRON FIST run, but I guess they felt the need to keep it "grounded" for some reason.

                      [–]SpiderdawgSpider-Man 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Spot on. Because the super realistic tone worked for the other 3 shows, they decided to also tack it onto the character who needed the opposite...

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                        [–]ethicalhamjimmiesDaredevil 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        This is a real bummer.

                        [–]Mobireddit 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Why the hell does Scott Buck keep getting showrunners jobs after what he did to Dexter ?! He shouldn't have been allowed to put his dirty hands on Iron Fist and Inhumans !

                        [–]faapf 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        So, if there's any Brazilian or Portuguese people reading this here is my first impression (which is my non-spoiler review) for the first six episodes of Iron Fist: http://www.estantenerd.com/2017/03/primeiras-impressoes-i-punho-de-ferro.html?m=1

                        For non Brazilians readers what can I say is that I actually loved the show, but at the same time it doesn't have any specific aspect where it shined and in the end the mix of everything its what made it work well.

                        [–]MMX2 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        Comics Alliance has their review up. "Like ‘Batman Begins,’ If Bruce Wayne Was an Idiot Man-Child."

                        http://comicsalliance.com/netflix-iron-fist-season-1-review/?trackback=tsmclip

                        [–]VHalliewell 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I am now scared because Scott Buck is also doing Inhumans and not just Iron Fist.

                        [–]Ruhail_56Iron Man (Mark V) 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        What a disappointment. So we barely get any mysticism and the intetesting background of Dannys character? These shows having a universal tone for content and pacing really hampers them.

                        So its not surprising after Luke Cage and the weakness of the Netflix shows having so much empty space. Also mix that in with the fact that they handed off the show to Scott Buck who did the most depised seasons of Dexter and you have a great recipe for disaster.

                        So honestly I am not excited for Inhumans at all and have no hope for the future marvel netflix shows.

                        [–]kuslap 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                        Wow. Some of these reviews are brutal.

                        [–]BayerWhite 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Sounds like giving Danny a mask would have solved a lot of the fight problems. They needed a great stunt double to mask what the actor couldn't do.

                        No masks work for JJ who has no fight training and for Luke Cage who only needs to slap people, but Iron Fist and Daredevil are too good to lean on a lightly trained actor to pull off.

                        [–]CountScarlioniMalcolm 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                        Well, I can't say I'm very surprised. Between the unfortunate racial implications and picking Scott Buck as showrunner (best of luck, Inhumans), it always felt like they were asking for trouble. The trailers, in my opinion at least, haven't really done a good job of making the show look exciting either.

                        Sure, there's the chance that the back half could see some kind of major upswing, but given Marvflix's track record, that doesn't seem terribly likely (while I don't hate the back halves of Daredevil or Luke Cage, there's still some noticeable lag in the pace), and I definitely don't foresee that fixing the stereotyping problems (what the first review says about the Mandarin-speaking bit is just... ouch). I'd say to hope for the best, but this isn't even a show I've been particularly convinced to care about. I'll still watch it, but I have low expectations. And even if it does switch gears in the back half, I think we'd ultimately just end up with the "AOS Effect" redux.

                        At the risk of sounding like I'm fixating on doom, I am honestly curious as to whether they have a "worst-case scenario" plan in case this show doesn't pan out and doesn't get a second season. In fairness though, I wondered the same thing about Jessica Jones, since it was so obscure at the time.

                        [–]thevahid010Hulk 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Probably a good way to fix this would be team up luke and iron fist from now on

                        [–]ashtonknapp 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        I think that Luke Cage and Iron Fist will just be combined for a Heroes for Hire show.

                        [–]CountScarlioniMalcolm 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        I can see the comic-faithful logic of that, but if this show flops and Jones really is as uncharismatic as these reviews say, wouldn't that just be tainting a better property? Luke Cage has its flaws, but I don't see how a dull holdover from a show with numerous problems of its own would help.

                        [–]Meeraskan 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Depends what his chemistry with Colter is like. If they get on like a house on fire and they tone down what seems to be a too-serious-for-its-boots characterisation of Iron Fist, then I could see it working. Part of the joy of HfH or PM&IF is their banter, especially their recent series.

                        That's what I hope for anyway.

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                            [–]_ValiskPhil Coulson 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (32子コメント)

                            I think everyone should keep in mind that this is only the first six episodes at the most. It doesn't necessarily mean that the show as a whole is bad.

                            [–]kuslap 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                            Six episodes is half the season. I'm not sure I want to sit through 6 hours of bad show on the hope it gets better in back half.

                            [–]decross20Spider-Man 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                            This is a good point, the reviews for the first 7 episodes of Luke Cage were not indicative of the show as a whole.

                            [–]StrngBrew 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                            Yeah but for Luke Cage it was the opposite! The first 7 were really good and it arguably tailed off at the end

                            [–]ElxJ1991Star-Lord 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                            I'd be totally fine if it ends strong after a slow start. Weak endings (Luke Cage and DD s2) leave a worse taste in my mouth than a slow start.

                            [–]chriskrispyDaredevil 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Honestly that was the most heartbreaking part of those two. Being entirely hooked on a show and then suddenly having to force myself to finish a season is not something I want to do again

                            [–]Worthyness 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                            Weak starts are an issue though because it prevents people from actually giving it a chance. It's why a ton of people dropped off of Agents of SHIELD.

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                              [–]LucasOIntoxicado 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Having to go through 6 bad episodes to get to the good stuff would still be terrible, though.

                              [–]Sibbo94 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                              It's certainly a possibility, but considering Netflix has proved willing to give critics a full season of screeners in the past, why wouldn't they give out the second half if it did improve and would result in better press?

                              EDIT: Thought I'd added an example in, but critics got all of Bojack S3 and Love S2. I'm aware that Marvel shows are generally 6/7, but it's not like Netflix themselves are averse to doing no more than that.

                              [–]Haley_Ross 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I don't remember any Marvel shows on Netflix where the early reviewers were given an entire season.

                              [–]DemirFist[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              nah, all marvel/netflix shows reviews were 6/7 episodes.

                              [–]Lord_ArachnusVision 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              It's always the first 6 episodes for Marvel Netflix shows. Been like that since Daredevil.

                              [–]chriskrispyDaredevil 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              I remember with Bojack, season 1 got mixed reviews but a lot of reviewers went back after the whole season dropped and bumped their scores up tremendously, and even had a few sites change their review policies for Netflix. But when it comes to extremely hyped shows like the Marvel ones, I assume they don't want to give out any more than they have to to prevent leaks.

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                                  [–]DjangoZeroDaredevil 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Man that sucks.

                                  [–]blackbutterfreePeggy Carter 75 ポイント76 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                                  Hopefully this show does well. Poor Finn Jones deserves it.

                                  [–]decross20Spider-Man 69 ポイント70 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                  I'm still pissed at how they mishandled his character on Game of Thrones. That character in the books was much more fleshed out but they turned him into a one-note character. (No fault of Finn's of course, just how they wrote the character). So yeah, I think he deserves a win.

                                  [–]your_mind_achesAida 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                  Oh shoot I didn't even think of that. Two roles in a row that don't live up to the source material.

                                  [–]Worthyness 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                  Just gonna wait for him to appear in Luke Cage 2 so we can have the Heroes for Hire. Danny officially becomes The Hulk of the Defenders.

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                                      [–]adrian_4891 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                      Whatever few reviews shows that first six episodes are average to good. I am hoping for more mystical element in this show but looking at reviews it doesn't seem like it in first few episodes. I expect the pacing to be off because of 13 one hour serialized episodes , its difficult to maintain the momentum . Anyways if its better than luke cage , i will be happy.

                                      [–]BeerusOfDestruction 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      Fuck Iron Fist was the defender I was most excited about :(

                                      [–]leopald16 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      me too, they decided to ruin him, "oh hess too comicbooky, better get rid of all his mythology, AND his costume!" fucken scott buck is doing the same with inhumans as well. I have no idea why the hell people like that black bolt look, its fucken shit just like danny rands "costume" here, its not a fucking costume. its just black leather jacket and jeans, no fucking mask. I feel so vindicated having these shitty reviews, maybe marvel can now wake the fuck up.

                                      [–]farzadviperHawkeye (Ultron) 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (31子コメント)

                                      Shame, but not surprising really. The quality has been going down since DD season 1. DD 2 was great until the Punisher arc ended and Luke Cage was good until Cottonmouth..you know. Jessica Jones was good too. I just wish there was less than 13 episodes, maybe that could help.

                                      [–]kuslap 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                                      13 hour long eps is absolutely the problem. There just hasnt been enough story to justify it. Maybe if they abandoned the heavy serialized approach and did more episodic plots? Something needs to change.

                                      [–]StrngBrew 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                      Yeah almost all of these shows have bogged down in the middle.

                                      JJ and Daredevil S1 both picked back up and ended strong. Luke Cage I think tailed off a bit. DD S2 got worse.

                                      You could flat out delete the entire episode in JJ S1 where she's trying to get herself into prison and the season would be better off.

                                      [–]connorjquinn 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      You could flat out delete the entire episode in JJ S1 where she's trying to get herself into prison and the season would be better off.

                                      Seems like my brain already did that because I have no idea what you're talking about...

                                      [–]Worthyness 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      It's the one where she gets in jail with the severed head of a kilgrave victim and then kilgrave jumps into the police station to talk it out. He holds the entire police station hostage. Fantastic scene that was.

                                      [–]Paperchampion23 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                      The police station episode? But that episode was... good lol.

                                      [–]your_mind_achesAida 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                      Exactly. That was a fantastic episode and has some of the best Kilgrave in the season.

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                                          [–]potrap 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                          The first seasons of Daredevil and Jessica Jones were excellent. I'm worried that the increased workload on the top-level production staff of Daredevil S2 and The Punisher unexpectedly being added had a slightly negative effect on all the shows.

                                          [–]hahaurfukt 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                          i thought the Punisher stuff was awesome for my part

                                          [–]potrap 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                          I actually liked the whole second season of Daredevil, but it seemed to be an unexpected addition to the schedule and that might have stretched Jeph Loeb et al thin across more productions than expected.

                                          [–]chriskrispyDaredevil 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                          It definitely seemed like it was incredibly rushed. Like Daredevil S1 was a much bigger hit than anyone was anticipating so they immediately announced S2 and it generally just didn't seem as well planned out as the first season, not even counting the way the Punisher and Elektra storylines just didn't mesh at all. Hopefully the delay on S3 will help them iron out all the kinks

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                                            [–]ToiletTubFalcon 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                            Maybe this one will be the reverse, and will go up in quality post-episode 6!

                                            I like to be optimistic.

                                            [–]silvershadow881Star-Lord 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                            Some non spoiler reviews I've seen do mention the last episodes they saw were getting better.

                                            I really hope it pulls of a reverse Daredevil.

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                                              [–]connorjquinn 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                              I agree with the amount of episodes. It seems like every Marvel Netflix show seems to lose steam around the 7-8th episode where they usually take a sharp turn that changes the whole arc of the season to some secondary threat. I would prefer a shorter season that told a really tight story than something that's drawn out.

                                              [–]ElxJ1991Star-Lord 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                              JJ was better than DD s1. The Punisher arc was possibly the greatest thing to come from the MCU and the only reason the Electra stuff felt "bad" was because it was average after following pure 10/10 greatness. Luke Cage was solid, not having a proper villain after Cottonmouth hurt a lot. Reducing the series to 10-12 episodes would probably be fine. I can live having 1 or 2 unnecessary episodes, better than the ~12-15 filler episodes in the big network superhero shows.

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                                                [–]The_Asian_HamsterDoctor Strange 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Ouch. This doesn't seem too great. Obvs I'm still gonna watch it, but this looks like it might be rated the worst out of the netflix shows

                                                [–]BeanHeaded 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                Very disheartening to hear.

                                                Is it too late to for Scott Buck to be replaced on inhumans?

                                                [–]UKIPcampaignteam 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                Yes.

                                                The Inhumans show is only happening because of Ike's obsession with replacing the X-Men. Chances of it being good with a TV budget was never high.

                                                [–]TheMagnificentBeckerDoctor Strange 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                Perlmutter did to the X-men the same Quesada did to Spider-Man.

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                                                    [–]EmeraldNeroBlack Panther 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                    It looks like so far there hasn't been any outright bad reviews. I'm slightly disappointed, but not enough not to watch it. Heck, it probably won't slow the MCU hype train much even if it were bad.

                                                    [–]CDL99Daredevil 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (24子コメント)

                                                    Whelp, now I'm bummed, I was really excited for the show, but it seems like the netflix shows in general, just keep going down hill.

                                                    [–]Swackhammer_Nebula 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                    I think people are really overreacting here by saying they're 'going downhill'. JJ and both seasons of DD are overall excellent shows. Luke Cage was middle of the road, and this seems to be as well. That doesn't mean the ship is sinking.

                                                    [–]DoNotWasteYourTime 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                                                    I'm afraid for Punisher. Please, Netflix, get your shit together. Get a bigger budget or better writers, please.

                                                    [–]WakandanPrideBlack Panther 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                    They have a guy from Hannibal, Steve Lightfoot to showrun Punisher. Im confident on that one.

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                                                      [–]Roblyer 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      seemed like they rushed this to get to defenders. Iron Fist S1 = the Iron Man 2 of the netflix shows

                                                      [–]veksone 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      I don't get why they only let critics review half the season.

                                                      [–]neutinamuDaredevil 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                      Based on the headlines it seems the biggest problems of the show are, apart from the race problem (I wish they would let go of this tbh, Danny is WHITE in the comics), that it's bland, boring, slow, and doesn't embrace the outlandish-ness of its source material.

                                                      That's a shame because one of Iron Fist's main appeal is its mysticism—it's the thing that should set it apart from the other series. When you remove it, there is barely anything to it. You can't shape Iron Fist as a corporate drama, there are other properties more suited for that. From what I remember in the comics, Danny doesn't even run the company a lot, that was left mainly to Hogarth. Danny is usually off being a hero for hire with Luke.

                                                      They also removed one of the things people are most excited for in the series. They also let go of a chance to make the series different compared to the other series, which is arguably getting repetitive.

                                                      I’ll give them this, though: the Netflix-Marvel shows, while great, have had pacing problems. The only series that I feel escapes this and uses the 13-hour format the best is Daredevil Season 1. The rest struggles to keep their footings after their strong starts. I hope Iron Fist will be the reverse, weak first half but strong second half (with more focus on its mythology).

                                                      I really want this to do well...

                                                      [–]varsasCaptain America (Cap 2) 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                      Given the reviews are for the first 6 episodes I wonder if the mysticism, weirder and more action packed aspects are in the 2nd half of the series?

                                                      [–]Maple_Syrup_Mogul 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                      It seems like there are problems even beyond that, though. They mention none of the characters (other than Colleen) have clear goals, desires, or motivations even after six episode. It seems like Danny suddenly becomes adamant that he wants to run Rand Enterprises out of the blue, but the show never even tells viewers what kind of company it is or why he feels so strongly about it.

                                                      [–]neutinamuDaredevil 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                      I wonder if that has something to do with the slow burn they are going for or if it really is bad writing.

                                                      If it's the latter, then they have to shake things up a bit during Defenders or season 2 (if they do get one) and try to inject more motivation to Danny.

                                                      Even if it's the former, six episodes is a bit too long to get to the main point of the series. I heard the 2nd and 3rd episode adds nothing to the plot—if that's true it's a testament of how the Netflix series struggles with their 13 episodes.

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                                                        [–]TheLlamaSnifferGhost Rider 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                                                        I really hope the second half of the season improves, because as it stands, Iron Fist is the only MCU property with overall negative reviews.

                                                        [–]BAKRO2000Black Panther 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        it finally happened

                                                        [–]Einchy 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Sad but not surprising.

                                                        They really rushed this series and if that wasn't bad enough, they get Scott Buck. It was a disaster waiting to happen.

                                                        [–]SuperCoenBrosThe Mandarin 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                        TBH, a lot of the criticisms I'm seeing are flaws I've noticed in almost all of the other Netflix series. Maybe the racial component of this series lost a lot of potential goodwill, or maybe critics are just wiser to Marvel's narrative tics. (Or maybe Iron Fist just has a really weak first half.)

                                                        Marvel TV needs to be careful. When Favreau's improvisational bent grew unwieldy, Marvel Studios brought in Whedon. When Whedon's formula grew stale, they elevated the Russos. You need to be aware of your flaws, and seek out artists who can address them. After these reviews, I'm way less optimistic about Inhumans, since Scott Buck is behind both that show and Iron Fist.

                                                        [–]chriskrispyDaredevil 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Well. I don't wanna base everything on early reviews, since there's been a lot of times I've disagreed with critics. But this is troubling when it's this many reviews about a show I was super hyped for :( Strange that so many people are freaking out about the racial aspect when Danny Rand has always been white??? Seems some of these reviews are based on that assumption so Idk if all of these are entirely unbiased

                                                        [–]js_the_beast 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Instead of watching IF, catch up on season 3 and 4 of the best superhero tv show, AoS ;)

                                                        [–]rollingincrumbsNebula 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        Interesting seeing all self-styled 'progressive' sites hating on it but the more 'geeky' sites like it. At least for the latter, it seems it might be pretty slow but they already know where it's going which general audiences don't.

                                                        If it is a slow burn that may have been a mistake. We've had enough slow build up with the other shows. I was hoping Iron Fist would hit the ground running with magic and mayhem. God knows Netflix have the money now, and Doctor Strange gave them the green light.

                                                        [–]TheAuth0r 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        Exactly. I'm not saying there aren't fair criticisms but if I'm honest, I know for a fact that before even watching the show, going into it, a lot of these reviewers were already biased against it because of the whole "white savior" racial "controversy". In like EVERY review, I saw it.

                                                        [–]civilchibicinephileBlack Panther 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        So apparently the sins of the show are:

                                                        • Not addressing the whitewashing (and making it worse with certain scenes)

                                                        • Lack of compelling writing (Danny and Colleen are both flat characters)

                                                        • Lack of good fight scenes (poor choreography and direction)

                                                        But some say it's good, but a very slow burn. :/ Well, I may still watch, but with significantly lowered expectations. Biggest sin looks to be the writing, so it'd be a problem with or without the whitewashing.

                                                        People also mention showrunner Scott Buck who is apparently the reason Dexter went to shit? (Dexter fans, help me out)

                                                        [–]SandieSandwicheadmanJessica Jones 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        The problem with Iron Fist isn't a whitewashed show - that's the term for an adaptation that makes characters white. IF was always white in the source comics~ IF is a racist character though, the "Mighty Whitey" trope of "white guy goes to forign land and immediately becomes their greatest champion"

                                                        [–]BAKRO2000Black Panther 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                        what is it with these netflix shows, one half being great and the other shit

                                                        [–]DHC2099 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                        Damn I hope this isn't a bore

                                                        [–]kirakazumi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                        On par with what I expected. The Netflix series always seems to have this downwards slope on their quality. DD was fantastic with JJ following closely behind. DD S2 is where you can see the signs of quality start to drop.

                                                        Personally, I think its because they know they're going to have sequels so the showrunners get lenient on the story. The MCU TV side suffers from this in spades. DD S2, Luke Cage and Agent Carter S2 being prime examples.

                                                        Its also why DD and JJ were soo good. The showrunners brought out their A-game, said fuck all consequences and just wrote a complete, compelling story. They even killed off key characters that would've totally survived if there was a S2.

                                                        Hopefully the back-end of IF is good, but I won't be surprised if it isn't. Still gonna watch it to the end anyway.

                                                        [–]starks1586 91 ポイント92 ポイント  (48子コメント)

                                                        They're all saying that this is Marvel Netflix's first misstep, I thought Luke Cage was absolutely terrible.... I'm just waiting for DD s3 if I'm being honest.

                                                        [–]helloclyde 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                        Critically people loved Luke Cage for the most part, and it was called Marvel's best Netflix show on multiple occasions by critics. It did lose some momentum after Cottonmouth died, but the general consensus among the public at large (which outnumbers reddit) is that it was a good show.

                                                        [–]07jonesj 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                                                        Reddit seems to forget that most of the interesting Shades material is in the second half. Where Diamondback lacked, Mariah and Shades made up for it IMO.

                                                        [–]barimanlhs 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                                                        They made Mariah one of the most hated characters that fucking got away with everything. Diamondback was a bit too over the top for me but you are correct in that shades and Mariah really stepped up after cottonmouth

                                                        [–]Worthyness 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                        It helps that alfrie Woodard is a fucking fantastic actress. She carried the show at some points as the crazy woman who runs harlem.

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                                                          [–]helloclyde 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Agreed. That, plus Luke beating the shit out of Diamondback in the theater while half-dead from the Judas bullets was a good action scene too.

                                                          [–]CountScarlioniMalcolm 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          Yeah, Diamondback was a weak link, and that one episode that was devoted purely to technobabbling the bullet out of Luke was fundamentally misconceived (actually, the whole concept of Judas bullets was really a mistake), but I'd hardly call the second half of the show garbage. It may not have been as good as the first seven episodes, but there was good stuff in the back half, too. I'd say the same of Daredevil Season 2.

                                                          [–]js_the_beast 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                          True

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                                                            [–]secondoflyPeggy Carter 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                                                            "Absolutely terrible" seems unfair. First half was almost undeniably superior, second half was a bit lacking.

                                                            [–]StrngBrew 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            I thought DD season 2 was their first misstep honestly. That season was just a mess.

                                                            Luke Cage had it's problems for sure, but overall I thought it was very good.

                                                            [–]Vaxis7 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                            Luke Cage is a great show overall, though it dropped off in the second half. Critics loved the first half so much that they called it the best show yet.

                                                            [–]sdeezy1987 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                            I thought the first 5-6 eps of Luke Cage were pretty compelling. The episodes after the Cottonmouth arc was some of the sharpest downturns i had ever seen from a promising tv show. I could barely finish the last 2 eps. Shame about Iron Fist

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                                                              [–]OhEightFour 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              I just find it strange that a lot of these reviews are really negative in tone, and calling it a misfire and a flop, but then almost all give it a rating of 65-75%. While not ideal, that's not really a shameful score.

                                                              [–]Rman823 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                              So chances of this being the first rotten MCU property on RT ?

                                                              [–]07jonesj 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                              I had to check. How the hell does Thor: The Dark World have a fresh rating?

                                                              [–]flim-flam13 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                              Because it was an entertaining movie.

                                                              [–]tonystankisajerkSpider-Man 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                              I do like the main theme that Brian Tyler composed. Plus the fight between Thor and Malekith where they kept transporting to different worlds was pretty cool.

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                                                                  [–]murdockmanilaDareDevil[M] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                  It might be better to put the reviews on top with the description so everyone can see it without having to scroll down. There might be spoilers in the comments. Maybe split the positives and the negatives.

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                                                                    [–]AHMillingSpider-Man 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Well damn. Iron fist is one of my favorite marvel heroes. (we into 70s and 80s kung-fu films when I grew up) I knew they were probably going to shy away from all the mystic stuff, because they need to keep it griddy and street level.... A shame.

                                                                    [–]ribblesquat 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Guess I'm not taking the day off work as has been my tradition with most Marvel Netflix show premieres. I'm maybe a bit more willing than some to go along with something a bit more subpar given I grew up in the days of Captain America's Eastern European Cannon Films Adventure. Still, these reviews are not promising.

                                                                    [–]your_mind_achesAida 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Someone find Clark Gregg. Make sure he's okay.

                                                                    [–]MondayAssasinSpider-Man 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    fuck.

                                                                    [–]LRedditor15Spider-Man 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                    Remember the rumours that they were going to make this into a Netflix movie instead?

                                                                    Yeah, they probably should have gone with that.

                                                                    [–]KingEuronIIIGreyjoyCaptain America (Ultron) 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    Let's just keep an open mind, everybody. If you're reading this thread, you're probably a Marvel fan, and that means you'll probably find something to like in this show. I'm still very excited, and I hope it turns out well.

                                                                    [–]Srichakar45 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    Seems pretty mixed to me

                                                                    [–]mcrookedy 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                                                                    Should I be worried?

                                                                    [–]DjangoZeroDaredevil 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    Well I mean for all the praise Daredevil got, there are people who didn't think the show was that good.

                                                                    [–]mcrookedy 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                    Perhaps the second half could blow this first half out of the water.

                                                                    [–]DirtiimartiniWard 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                    that would be a first for these Netflix shows

                                                                    [–]ron_cpt89 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                    Nope, I'm not. The first half of Luke was great, the second half was dog shit. These critiques has only seen 6 episodes, and not all 13, after most of the public has been through all 13 episodes as a whole, only then should be we disappointed, or praise the first season. I'm still going to Binge the fuck out the first season when it drops next week Friday, and hope it's worth my time.

                                                                    [–]helloclyde 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                    There are plenty of reviews of the entire season of Luke Cage that say as a whole it was good, even with the dropoff in writing/consistency in the second half. And if in the second half of Iron Fist everyone somehow got their shit together and the show became better, it would be the polar opposite of how reddit perceives Luke Cage- shitty first half, good last half. Which would mean that even if the second half of Iron Fist is good (which I really hope it is, I want to see some Heroes for Hire type stuff in the second season of Iron Fist if it gets one), the season as a whole would be mediocre.

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                                                                        [–]marcohtxBlack Panther 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        I was skeptical of reviews from the more mainstream publications, because they may not have a connection to the character, and they may be affected by the social aspects of the character, but when comic book sites are crapping on it, then thats something to be worried about. Im a big fan of iron fist, and i want this show to be good, and hopefully the second half picks up. Im still in the camp that these shows hurt in the 13 episode format. I had worries about Finn Jones, who doesnt seem that much like a badass in my opinion, but I can only hope he proves me wrong.

                                                                        [–]King_Chronos 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                        I'm hoping the second half is better. From what I have heard from more focused reviews; the show is interesting but has pacing issues. The focus on the business and such could be done just to get it out of the way early. With him having powers I'm sure they spent a lot of money on cgi, plus Shou- Lao is supposed to appear as well.

                                                                        Then again I am an Iron Fist fan and I'm just trying to stay optimistic. Going to reread Immortal Iron Fist and Living Weapon this week in anticipation.

                                                                        [–]zambi76 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                                                                        Re: pacing issues

                                                                        Well, three epsiodes of "But I'm Dany Rand... no, really!" is a bit much. I was afraid they would do a whole introduction episode and the ADD kids would already get bored and they actually go and do three?

                                                                        While I personally would watch 100 epsiodes of introduction (because of my embarrassing crush on Finn Jones) I'm painfully aware that I'm not exactly the target audinece for this.

                                                                        Then again I still think/hope this series may go nuts in the latter half. (The 13 episode thing really was never that much of a good idea.)

                                                                        [–]King_Chronos 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                                                                        Someone from a site I trust who saw the first 6, noted it in short as pacing issues and said that despite that and some flaws he was still interested in the latter half of the season. Not much to go by I know, but a lot of reviewers seem to be thrashing it. I enjoyed all the Netflix Marvel stuff, but they all had pacing problems to an extent. Jessica Jones' second half for an example.

                                                                        [–]CsantanaGroot 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Welp I'm sure I'll enjoy it at least once

                                                                        [–]DirtiimartiniWard 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        but what does Armond White say

                                                                        [–]valkyria_knight881Star-Lord 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        Is this the first bad Marvel production? At least the movies still have a great streak.

                                                                        [–]Chuck006Ghost Rider 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                        Not unexpected given how hard a time they had finding a show runner. I think if this isn't an instant hit it gets merged with Luke Cage.

                                                                        [–]OliviaElevenDunham 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        I'm still going to watch it.

                                                                        [–]js_the_beast 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                                                                        Just want to point out that critically speaking Luke Cage was a hit with critics and most general audiences. Even though some fans were disappointed, most people were satisfied.

                                                                        [–]sandiskplayer34Captain America 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                                                                        THIS IS ALL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CAST AN ASIAN-AMERICAN!!!!! /s

                                                                        [–]Foolsgil 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        Funny how all the comments here devolve this being about race, but the articles are saying the show is just boring.

                                                                        [–]jarrys88 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                                                                        I'm going to try to go into it positively.

                                                                        Sometimes critics just jump on a bandwagon. They put huge expectations on something and if its not as good as they believe, they all follow each others lead and say its horrible when in reality, it may be good, just not as good as expectations.

                                                                        They frothed on about luke cage being the best yet but imo i thought DD and JJ were better.

                                                                        sometimes critics just flat out get it wrong and the masses may think the absolute opposite.

                                                                        There was negative stigma going into this show because of scott bucks involvement and high expectations.

                                                                        Most the reviews seem to be comparing it to the other marvel netflix series rather than reviewing it as its own show.

                                                                        is it a cheap imitation of DD or is it something different? How often have we seen reviewers compare EVERYTHING to game of thrones when a show may be nothing like it?

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