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Not that it comes as a surprise to anyone who’s been paying attention, but EPA administrator Scott Pruitt removed all doubt Thursday that he is a science-denying ninnyhammer. In an interview on CNBC this morning, Pruitt explained that the overwhelming scientific consensus on climate change is actually wrong, because he doesn’t believe it. So there.

Carbon dioxide? Are people still going on about that? Get over yourselves. Science didn’t win a massive landslide in the Electoral College, Donald Trump did, and now it’s time to face the alternative facts: CO2 is probably just a lie made up by liberals:

“I think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and there’s tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact, so no, I would not agree that it’s a primary contributor to the global warming that we see,” he told CNBC’s “Squawk Box.”

“But we don’t know that yet. … We need to continue the debate and continue the review and the analysis.”

Well golly, he’s the head of the EPA, so he must know his stuff, huh? We’re frankly astonished that he even allowed the phrase “global warming” to escape his lips, which may get him in trouble with the Heartland Institute unless he issues an immediate clarification that he meant it’s probably caused by volcanoes or sunspots or natural climate cycles, or whatever this week’s anti-science bullshit might be. We just can’t know? How can anyone know anything, after all? Isn’t the best option to say you never know anything, so you won’t hurt oil and gas profits?

For what it’s worth, CNBC at least offers this sort-of correction, though for fuckssakes it’s not an “opinion”:

Pruitt’s view is at odds with the opinion of NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

“The planet’s average surface temperature has risen about 2.0 degrees Fahrenheit (1.1 degrees Celsius) since the late 19th century, a change driven largely by increased carbon dioxide and other human-made emissions into the atmosphere,” NASA and NOAA said in January.

We hear most doctors also are of the opinion that germs play some role in the spread of disease, although that’s still being studied, so let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves and set policy based on that wild speculation.

The EPA’s own website on climate change, for now at least, explains quite clearly — in terms even a Trump cabinet member might be able to understand — how the release of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels works to trap the sun’s heat in the atmosphere. No doubt he’ll get right on removing that heresy fairly soon.

Incidentally, if anyone finds a genie in a bottle somewhere, could you maybe use one of your wishes to plunk Scott Pruitt down in a locked room that he can only leave after Neil deGrasse Tyson explains climate science to him, very carefully, perhaps with a copy of the climate episode of Cosmos? It’s a thought. They can have snacks and bathroom breaks, even.

Pruitt also insisted that it’s perfectly consistent to be both pro-environment and pro-energy, which is true enough until you get into the details of what kinds of energy you’re advocating. As for the EPA’s 2009 determination that CO2 poses a threat to public health, and is therefore within the agency’s regulatory purview — upheld by the Supreme Court in 2014 — Pruitt would like to see Congress reconsider that, because if anyone knows how science works, it’s Republicans in Congress.

Pruitt explained he thinks last year’s Paris Climate Agreement is “a bad deal” because it allows China and India to delay carbon reductions, although China has already committed to reaching its reduced emissions goals ahead of the 2030 goal in the Paris agreement. And again, he thinks it was awfully sneaky of President Obama to have set U.S. carbon reduction goals for the Paris accord without giving Congress a chance to gut the plan, because how is that even fair?

CNBC notes the Paris Agreement was negotiated by the State Department, which would be responsible for following up on the commitments made in Paris; Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said during his confirmation hearing that he thinks the U.S. should abide by the Paris Agreement, which is somewhat reassuring, at least if we decide to keep at least part of the State Department at all. In reality, Pruitt’s EPA will play a large role in setting (read: gutting) emissions standards in compliance with/defiance of the Paris goals.

Following the interview, the Sierra Club issued a statement saying it demonstrated that Pruitt’s denial of “the basic established facts of climate science” today contradicted his testimony in his Senate confirmation:

It now appears Pruitt misled Congress, as this anti-science position contradicts what he told the Senate in the questions for the record (Page 122) he submitted during his confirmation process.

The questions are quite detailed, and Pruitt’s answer sure sounds like he’s at least pretending to accept science is real and that the EPA should regulate CO2 emissions:

Oh, but look at the weasel words, too — “up to date and objective scientific data” from whom? Perhaps between January 18 and now, his “ever-evolving understanding” of greenhouse gases has evolved to the point that carbon dioxide isn’t one anymore. Sierra Club Executive Director Michael Brune said Pruitt should lose his job, for which he’s clearly not fit:

The arsonist is now in charge of the fire department, and he seems happy to let the climate crisis burn out of control. As Pruitt testified before Congress, it is the legal duty of the EPA to tackle the carbon pollution that fuels the climate crisis, but now he is spewing corporate polluter talking points rather than fulfilling the EPA’s mission of protecting our air, our water, and our communities.

Pruitt is endangering our families, and any sensible Senator should demand he is removed from his position immediately for misleading Congress and being unfit and unwilling to do the job he has been entrusted to do.

We’re certain they’ll get right on that, just as soon as the House Science Committee can reach an agreement on the shape of the Earth.

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  • memzilla Ω
    • Msgr_MΩment

      It’s a race to the bottom.

      • Gayer Than Thou

        I’ve been in a few races for the bottom in my day. They were all more fun than this.

        • Msgr_MΩment

          Top comment of the day, so far.

  • Nounverb911

    Scientists need to devise a new experiment to explain CO2 and global warming, I say call it Schrodinger’s Pruitt.

    • Msgr_MΩment

      Let’s send him to Venus for a fact-finding mission on greenhouse gases.

  • Nounverb911
  • Crystalclear12

    What did Neil deGrasse Tyson ever do to you?!

  • Resistance Fighter Callyson

    I think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and there’s tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact, so no, I would not agree that it’s a primary contributor to the global warming that we see

    So, climate change is a thing, but because we can’t be sure just how much our behavior is causing it, we shouldn’t do anything to stop it. OK then…

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d4e9c91e0a06ca2980348fe2816623f23f97dad15a624fa012a5cb2eaeb6b3de.jpg

    • SpideySenser
      • SpideySenser

        Hey folks, sorry about the extra clicky-click. I apparently screwed up my drag and drop. But it’s worth it!

    • Zonath

      Well of course not. I mean, if you can’t figure out exactly how fast your car is depleting the oxygen in your enclosed garage, you shouldn’t turn the car off or ventilate the garage until you can figure it out.

      Well not /you/, per se. Just Pruitt and people who think like him.

    • mailman27

      I’m only 97% sure that you’re pissing on my leg, so I must assume that it’s raining.

  • Nounverb911
    • Crystalclear12

      Just don’t breathe too deeply, it might kill you.

  • monoglot

    This used to be such a nice planet…

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance
    • georgiaburning

      Cockroaches outlasted the dinosaurs and they’ll outlast us

      • msanthropesmr

        They seem to have gotten prominent posts in this adminstration.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      If only we could arrange a field trip to Venus for all things folks who don’t see how CO2 in the atmosphere can warm things up.

      • Liberal Fascist Ron

        One way, SVP.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Yeah, and then those damn humans showed up and stunk up the place in a hurry.

  • boyblue122

    Environmental Pollution/Plundering Agency

    • Crystalclear12

      They decided to go with Pillage.

      • boyblue122

        That works too

        • Msgr_MΩment

          Rape, vandalism, plunder, and rape.

  • OrG

    GRRRRRRRR…… that is all

  • The wealthy better hope that their climate controlled biodomes are bulletproof and bomb proof, because I plan to lead my band of raiders to break in to them and butcher them first… with post-apocalyptic votes that only happen to resemble machetes.

    • georgiaburning

      If it’s like Steve Bannon’s Biosphere the residents might appreciate the merciful demise

      • Wild Cat

        I sorta like the “Soylent Green” euthanasia farewell. Plus I wouldn’t have the image of that demented drunk in my brain as I check out . . .

        • georgiaburning

          How about the booths in Futurama? There’s choice involved so Repubs would like them

          • Liberal Fascist Ron

            They’d charge way more than 25¢, though.

          • georgiaburning

            But there would be a tax credit. Save the receipt

  • Chadwells

    So. Fucking. Angry.

    I hate these fuckers so bad it hurts.

  • Darlene Underdahl

    Thank Goodness other countries are taking action. America has a fever, brought on by decades of easy living and little serious thought. They may have to avoid us while we sweat it out.

    • Yr. Gma

      We forget that this is not the only country on the planet sometimes.

      • Liberal Fascist Ron

        ‘Sometimes’?

  • Wild Cat

    I’m just happy I didn’t reproduce.
    I’m sure many other humans are happy I didn’t reproduce, either.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      I didn’t either. We are too many upon this world.

      • Wild Cat

        Those little things are expensive, you have to feed them, get them shrinks, buy special foods. Then you have to find a woman to have a child for you so your cat isn’t lonely . . .

        • MynameisBlarney

          And my goawd are they stupid!
          Ya gotta teach ’em EVERYTHING!

          I ain’t got time for that!

      • Serai 1

        For me, it was half that and half “I’m not going to inflict myself on a complete stranger”. I would suck at raising a kid and I know it.

    • MynameisBlarney

      I didn’t create any mini-me’s either.

      • Wild Cat

        Has Peter Dinklage?

  • Nounverb911
    • yyyaz

      Pretty much sums up the entire derpiverse.

    • MynameisBlarney

      Slack jawed idiots. The lot of ’em.

      • Wild Cat

        Can’t wait to watch them overdose and die.*

        *with votes

    • Kiri the Paid Protestor

      “Ice-Cold Kool-Aid For Sale”

    • Mr. Blobfish

      Grabber of pussy

    • Liberal Fascist Ron

      Keep believing it, Mr Signwriter. The rest of us prefer to be reality-based.

  • Anna Rompage

    This is the new argument against climate change….

    It used to be “humans have no impact what so ever”, now it’s “humans have an impact, but we can;t really say by how much, and it’s likely insignificant”

    It reminds me of the tobacco industry through the 20th century. First smoking was good for you, then it was not good for you but they couldn;t really say definitivly how bad it was for you so no worries. Then came the leaks of industry research that showed just how bad it was, and they knew it all along…

    FUCK THESE PEOPLE WITH VOTE WITH RUSTY CHAINSAWS!

  • Proud Liberal
  • Markuserektus

    The word ‘Science’ disappears from Environmental Protection Agency office’s mission statement the government will instead focus on work that is ‘economically and technologically achievable’ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/epa-science-mission-statement-disappearance-donald-trump-white-house-environmental-protection-agency-a7618131.html

  • Painter of Swedish Tragedies

    This new reality show “If Stupid People Ruled the Earth” is already getting tiresome.

    • Proud Liberal

      I hope it only lasts half a season.

  • memzilla Ω

    This planet isn’t gonna get any cooler from the heat of a thousand suns that our hatred for all things Rethuglican is cooking at, either.

  • Chadwells

    OT: WTFF?! Well…in a world of Alt-Facts and Fake News…why not.

    “Kristen Stewart Has Always Been a Great Actress”

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2017/03/09/from_twilight_to_personal_shopper_kristen_stewart_has_always_been_great.html

    • Thiazin red

      Yeah, she seems like a cool person, but she is not good at acting. (and yes I’ve seen Adventureland and other non-Twilight things, and she was just as vacant and terrible in them)

      • Chadwells

        Exactly! I have no problem with her as a human…I just doubt their assertion of her skill level.

        • Thiazin red

          Its weird, she doesn’t seem that way at all in interviews.

      • Serai 1

        She’s one of that crop of actors who think that mute staring is the greatest expression of profundity. Jennifer Lawrence is the epitome of this. I’ve never seen such a boring generation of actors in my life.

        • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

          And/or her directors.

          • Serai 1

            What the fuck ever happened to acting? You know, that thing where the audience gets to feel what the characters are feeling? It’s like they just can’t be bothered with us anymore.

          • yyyaz

            Post-factual “acting”: there is no wrong way to do it.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Listen, Ashley Greene and Anna Kendrick had way more skills and acting chops than Kristen will ever have.

      • PubOption

        I would add Laura Greenwood to the list: she did an amazing job in the last series of ‘Prime Suspect’.

    • Resistance Fighter Astraea

      No opinion on whether she’s great, but she gets way too much hate for having played a vacant, boring character in a vacant, boring way.

      • Chadwells

        She does seem to be type-cast into that roll.

    • chortlingdingo

      She did a beautiful job in Speak (2004) and I thought that Camp X-Ray looked interesting. That being said, the Twilight franchise and Snow White were pretty awful.

  • Serai 1

    So, more perjury charges?

    • Chadwells

      Yeah….right next to Flynn, Sessions, etc,etc,etc.

      • Serai 1

        You know, it occurs to me that when they oust Trump, Pence could start out looking really grand and presidential by declaring that the country is going to have a new start, and then firing everybody Trump appointed and replacing them. He’ll replace them with Republicans, sure, but he can put in people who aren’t as incompetent or insane, restoring functions that, frankly, the country absolutely needs, and he’ll come off looking like a hero.

        • Chadwells

          Hmmm…I would debate that. They would only seem less extreme by comparison to Dampnut morons. Anyone Pence would appoint would still be f-ing horrible. IMHO.

          • Serai 1

            Yeah, that’s kinda what I said.

          • Chadwells

            Oh…shit! I’m sorry. I kind of am stuck on stupid today! My apologies!

        • nightmoth

          ditto, ditto, ditto
          Right now, that’s my best case scenario.

  • YoBunnyBunny

    2018 y’all.. two thousand eight-mutherfucking-teen…

    I can’t wait to staple all the GOP’s balls to the wall WITH VOTES!!!! We need some folks in congress and state leges to roast the everloving fuck out these hacks.

    • Gayer Than Thou

      Ironically, I have been giving away all my booze and hooker money to Dem candidates like a drunken sailor!

      • Liberal Fascist Ron

        You only give it away to Dem candidates who are drunken sailors?

        • Gayer Than Thou

          We’ve all gotta do our part. The key is focusing on the form of political work each of us is good at or best situated to do, and not to try to take on the whole problem.

    • Little Lulu Ω

      More women in Congress!

  • Latverian Diplomat

    We hear most doctors also are of the opinion that germs play some role in the spread of disease

    “Evil spirit theory or GTFO.”
    — A faith healer

  • azeyote

    probably a Chinese mole

  • memzilla Ω

    New York City, 1966, before the EPA. Make America Asphyxiate Again!
    . https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/61d29faf7d10d469de51951a435dd132b25312b49728b4b97f41969c2eee49d5.jpg

    • SpideySenser

      We can stick with the MAGA meme, Make America Gag Again!

      • yyyaz

        Maggots And Gnats Approve.

    • OneYieldRegular
    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Most people under 35 today just don’t know how bad it was. I can still smell the acrid air driving from KC to Chicago. And even in the mid 70s, Denver’s brown cloud was omnipresent.

      • Jamoche

        Next time that “tweet something that shows your age” meme comes around: “LA Smog jokes”

      • chortlingdingo

        And the sad thing is that the people who keep trying to do away with the EPA are old enough to remember that sort of thing. They just care about their own profit more than breathable air.

  • OneYieldRegular

    “We need to continue the debate”

    If it means keeping the actual science at a distance, I’m sure Pruitt is happy to do that as long as he possibly can.

  • bookish

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/03/americans_trust_trump_less_than_those_he_attacks.html?google_editors_picks=true

    Scientists, doctors, judges, former presidents. CIA, NSA, DNI, FBI. Trump picks fights with everyone. He stakes his credibility against theirs: Either they’re all lying or he is. This isn’t he-said-she-said between Trump and the Washington Post, or between Trump and the New York Times. It’s he-said-everyone-said: Trump’s version of reality on one side, and everybody else’s version on the other. With his nutty claims about crowd size and illegal votes, Trump has even drawn rebuttals from the Federal Election Commission and the National Park Service.

    And that carries a price. Since his second week in office, Trump’s net approval rating has been negative, far below that of any recorded president. One reason is that together, the press, the scientists, the courts, and the intelligence agencies are more credible than he is.

    • Proud Liberal

      I hope it is a war too big for tRump to win.

  • Undocumented Skwerl!

    Hey guys, I found it. The solution to global warming, pollution, health, wealth, and strong active prostrate. Recommended by the EPA. Your welcome.

    https://youtu.be/sZNPYtXEIbs

    • Undocumented Skwerl!

      Oh and who could forget the new Trumpcare Cancer Treatment Cure!

      It’s SCIANCE you morans!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_hQhALpknY

      • Liberal Fascist Ron

        I’m not going to accept medical treatment from someone with a life line like THAT.

    • yyyaz

      Medicare/Medicaid approved (soon)!

  • WotsAllThisThen

    We should continue the debate, but must cut all funding to the actual science, is what he’s trying to say.

    • Liberal Fascist Ron

      Manufacture, not continue, the debate, as there hasn’t been a ‘debate’ on the subject in decades.

  • Niblet58

    Thing is, science doesn’t care if you believe in it or not. Science is gonna do what Science does. You can work with it, get out of the way or get run over. Pruitt is scheduling us for the latter option.

    • Latverian Diplomat

      science doesn’t care if you believe in it or not

      Almost, but not quite, completely unlike Jeebus

  • mancityRed6
    • yyyaz

      Batten down the hatches, mate. It’s going to be a rough one there today.

      • mancityRed6

        it’ll be a short one.
        I’m just glad I’m off work so I can watch it roll in

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “It’s possible to care about both energy and the environment. Personally, I want to destroy them both. Scientists say energy can be neither created nor destroyed, but that’s just another conservation law I don’t support.”
    — Scott Pruitt

  • yyyaz

    Now they’re cooking with gas. Why kill off just a few million when you can aim for billions.

    • Darlene Underdahl

      While they build their private ranches in New Zealand? I’ve heard that, but don’t know the truth of it.

      • yyyaz

        There are lots of links to Peter Thiel and his ilk doing exactly that.

  • bookish
  • TheGrandWazoo2

    All this debate about carbon emissions is exhausting.

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      It blows.

    • snark-lurker

      : )

  • Gosala

    In case anyone cares, this site debunks all the common crap about climate — and a lot of the more obscure stuff also, too.

    https://skepticalscience.com/

    They also have a pretty good ap if, like me, you so your intrrtube thing phonewise

    • Scrofula

      Do they have pointers for arguing with the folks who just think driving a Prius is “GAY”?

      • Gosala

        They stick to the science. What’s wrong with being gay?

        • Scrofula

          Yeah, not me, I mean I think a lot of climate “skeptics” out there are just trolls who know it pisses off Prius owners.

          • shoeflyin

            Ha, I’m a Leaf owner, we consider Prius owners to be environmental slackers. :/

          • Gosala

            I just leave that alone. I figure it’s between the Prius owners and the trolls and not my concern

      • mancityRed6

        the prius drivers around here just drive angry

  • Reddishrabbit

    We are governed by people who don’t understand science and how basic insurance operates. This is not fine.

    • Scrofula

      People who don’t care, so long as they get their tax cuts.

      • mancityRed6

        “Screw the kids, where’s my tax breaks?”

        • Liberal Fascist Ron

          This is the part that really boggles my mind. They seem not to care that their own kids will have a worse life because of their actions.

          • mancityRed6

            for a lot of these people, their kids will be getting whatever they leave in the inheritance, so money wise they’ll be fine.
            they don’t think of the damage that’s actually been done and being done as something bad since they don’t see it from their gated communities.
            and they don’t remember how bad it had to get for Nixon to start the EPA.
            and even if they don’t acknowledge it, they’ll fight tooth and nail over NIMBY

    • boyblue122

      Some probably understand but choose to ignore it to get a bigger raise from their corporate masters

  • Maybe if we cooked a meatball on the sidewalk Pruitt would understand.

    • Chadwells

      Nope.

      • mancityRed6

        Can we chuck it at him when it’s done?

    • yyyaz

      Put Pruitt and a side of meatballs on a sidewalk in Phoenix in July and see which explodes first.

  • Lefty Frizzell

    We’re fucked. There is no way to argue with that level of entrenched denial.

    Well – humans have had a pretty fair go. I mean it’s mostly been squalor, rape, torture and exploitation, but there have been a few isolated moments of such exquisite beauty that perhaps they have made the experiment worthwhile.

    • Darlene Underdahl

      Rose windows were nice.

      • Lefty Frizzell

        And Gazza’s goal against Scotland in Euro 96

    • yyyaz

      And not one of traitors now in charge would have the slightest idea of what you mean, let alone a sense of esthetics.

    • SpideySenser

      From Lascaux to Leonardo DaVinci. Unfortunately it seems the horrid wins.

      • shoeflyin

        Hey, we’re down but we are a long way from beaten.

  • Jamoche

    https://twitter.com/emorwee/status/839842380262096897
    “The founder of EPA’s environmental justice office quit yesterday after 24 years at the agency. Here’s his resignation letter.”

    At least, if you can read blur. Still don’t know how to get to the full size version of a tweet pic.

  • Latverian Diplomat

    “People are all upset about CO2 in the atmosphere, but honestly it’s not so bad. I mean, what the fuck did argon ever do for us?”
    — Scott Pruitt

    • Cousin Itt de La Résistance

      Isn’t that between Washington and California?

    • Scrofula

      Well, it does make your voice sound like Satan.
      And welding.

  • Chadwells

    Version 1.0 of humankind is a disaster. Hopefully version 2.0 will do better than these fucking imbeciles. Let’s hope Darwin was right.

    • nightmoth

      Did you ever see the Bruce Willis version of “The Twelve Monkeys”? At this point I’m kinda hoping for a deep ecology mad scientist and a virus release.

  • bookish

    http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/ben-carson-donald-trump-and-the-misuse-of-american-history?mbid=gnep&intcid=gnep&google_editors_picks=true

    The American capacity for tragedy is much broader and far more robust than Americans—most of us, anyway—recognize. Our sense of ourselves as exceptional, of our country as a place where we habitually avert the worst-case scenario, is therefore a profound liability in times like the present. The result is a failure to recognize the parameters of human behavior and, consequently, the signs of danger as they become apparent to others who are not crippled by such optimism. A belief that we are exempt from the true horrors of human behavior and the accompanying false sense of security have led to nearly risible responses to Trumpism.

    It has become a cliché of each February to present the argument that “black history is American history,” yet that shopworn ideal has new relevance. A society with a fuller sense of history and its own capacity for tragedy would have spotted Trump’s zero-sum hustle from many miles in the distance. Without it, though, it’s easy to mistake the overblown tribulations he sold his followers for candor, not a con. The sense of history as a chart of increasing bounties enabled tremendous progress but has left Americans—most of us, anyway—uniquely unsuited to look at ourselves as we truly are and at history for what it is. Our failure to reckon with this past and the centrality of race within it has led us to broadly mistake the clichés of history for novelties of current events.

    • yyyaz

      If even 51% of the country had the capacity to comprehend this statement, we wouldn’t be in our death throes right now.

  • Longstreet63

    The Republicans do have a plan to deal with global warming. It involves a tax deduction for buying a yacht.

    • mancityRed6

      maybe they should have checked with an engineer before they gave all those tax breaks to that ark thingamajig

      • Longstreet63

        Pfft. Those guys are elitists. If I believe hard enough, my ship’s metacentric height simply doesn’t exist.

  • andyshelt

    And meanwhile in unrelated news the tobacco companies are now kicking themselves for their premature concession that cigarettes cause lung cancer.

    A spokesman said:
    “If we had known then that the American people were gullible enough to give power to anti-science simpletons like Pruitt we would have continued with our previous claims that the jury was still out on the scientific research linking tobacco and cancer and that more analysis and debate was still needed”

  • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

    The idea that we can release billions of tonnes of carbon into the atmosphere in a few decades – carbon that has been sequestered in the earth’s crust as fossil fuel deposits for hundreds of millions of years – without affecting the global climate is breathtakingly stupid. Making Scott Pruitt head of the EPA is on a par with making a devout Christian Scientist Surgeon General, for fuck’s sake.

    • Courser_Resistance

      That’s up next, undoubtedly. Once there’s no more healthcare, praying over an illness is about all that’s left.

  • Markuserektus
    • Rachel Book Harlot

      Because of course they do. If you guys hear someone screaming, that would be me.

  • nightmoth

    I’m wondering if Scott Pruitt is an evangelical who thinks Jesus will be back in a few weeks, or if he’s a hedonist who wants to use everything up and make lots of money while he can. Remember James Watt, secretary of the interior under Reagan? I can’t find the quote but he was a pro-oil & coal guy who said something like “doesn’t matter if we cut down all the trees ’cause Jeebus is gonna give us a new earth.” Unfortunately the remark that forced his resignation was not that one, but a racist/sexist quip which angered the moderate Republicans, of which there are none any longer, apparently.
    http://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/23/us/watt-asks-that-reagan-forgive-offensive-remark-about-panel.html

    • Thaumaturgist

      Today’s management is worried about today’s stock price, not what it’s going to be at some amorphous time in the future when someone else is in management. Scott’s future, in turn, depends upon today’s management.

      • yyyaz

        And the fucker has way more of a future than us oldz do. He was born in 1968, that vintage year of RFK and MLK, Jr. being gunned down, Nixon elected, Chicago riots, Weathermen.

        • Bill Slider

          And, 500,000 American troops in Vietnam.

          • SpideySenser

            Looks like you got carried away with the zeroes. I believe the number is 58,220.

          • Bill Slider

            500,000 was the number of warm American bodies fighting the war. 58,220 sounds like it might represent the number of American troops who died fighting that war.

    • OrG

      Six of one,half a dozen of the other.Same result.

    • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

      They are all short term thinkers. Like the business “geniuses” behind Enron, the dot.com bubble, the housing crash, etc, etc. All they care about is the next days stock price, the quarterly report, the year end numbers. The fact that they are guaranteeing a disastrous outcome in the long term means nothing to them, because they expect to be long gone before the shit hits the fan, after selling millions of stock options at peak market price. It’s the same mindset.

      • Rachel Book Harlot

        This right here.

    • cmd resistor

      I remember that guy.

    • formerChild
      • nightmoth

        Thank you!

  • pgjack

    We’ve been destroying this biosphere for centuries. If you doubt that show me the millions of bison that roamed the American midwest, show me the aurochs that roamed the forests of Europe, show me the dodo, show me the seas full of whales and large predatory fish, show me the rivers, lakes and streams free of pharmaceutical and plastic pollution, the primeval forests, the big population of chimps, gorillas and bonobos, the native birds of Hawaii, the list could go on for pages. Scientists can clearly identify the carbon from the burning of fossil fuels, they can measure the ice caps and glaciers, they can measure the increasing acidification of the oceans and the temperature of their surface waters. There is no doubt that warming is occurring. If you have a balance scale with 10 tons on each side and you place a one pound weight on one side the balance will tip. The CO2 we add to the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels is the weight that is upsetting the balance of the biosphere that we have been enjoying for thousands of years. Any one who doesn’t see that we are negatively impacting our planet either doesn’t want to see it or is making money by ignoring it. Anyway, our descendants will think very poorly of us if we don’t take action to keep the Earth livable.

    • Longstreet63

      Well, maybe not our descendants, but the alien archeologists will be brutal. If the robot probes can keep from melting.

    • wide_stance_hubby

      Basically, we, as a species (not individuals), are not worthy of this planet.

  • Mr. Blobfish

    This is all Bannon’s doing. Trump isn’t smart enough to come up with a plan this evil.

  • Longstreet63

    So, forging ahead on heating the planet while banning abortion and birth control.
    These guys saw “Soylent Green” and said “Yeah! I want some of that!”

  • bookish

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/congress-bank-of-america_us_58c07932e4b0ed718269a50c?google_editors_picks=true

    House and Senate committees will consider an obscure bill called the “Fair Access to Investment Research Act” on Thursday. It will not be a major media event. The bill, which will likely sail through Congress, will not cause a new financial crisis, bar millions from accessing health insurance or undermine any foreign policy alliances. But it will help one company — Bank of America — make money by avoiding lawsuits.

    Bank of America is the only corporation that has lobbied on the bill, according to the federal lobbying disclosure database.

    “It’s all Bank of America,” notes one Democratic aide. “Nobody else has come in to talk about this.”

    Rest assured, distressed citizens: Even in an era of legislative chaos and political mayhem, Congress is still finding time to deliver detailed, targeted favors to corporate interests. Things are basically back to normal.

    • Liberal Fascist Ron

      It was easy to tell that ordinary people were going to get screwed over by it – it has the word ‘fair’ right in the title.

    • mailman27

      Tort Reform!!

  • Ricky Gay

    “Pruitt would like to see Congress reconsider that,” — HA, not a snowball’s chance in… oh wait.

  • orygoon

    “…and anyway, if carbon dioxide kills liberals, and POC around the planet, it’s all good!”

    • yyyaz

      I hear Mercedes has started work on CO2 scrubbers for cabin ventilation in its 2022 models.

      • Markuserektus

        That’s only for when the driver gets too close to a VW diesel…

        • Weevie

          those things stink!

  • Markuserektus
  • Courser_Resistance

    The joy with which they’re destroying our democracy and institutions is deranged and sadistic. They want to inflict as much pain and chaos as fast as possible to repudiate Obama’s legacy and demoralize liberals. Anyone who claims it’s not pathological must be living under a rock.

    • Bub the Hoohah! loving Zombie

      It’s all about the money to these people. They don’t care what sort of pain and suffering they inflict as long as they can profit from it.

      • therblig

        they think that their money will buy them safety from climate change. i guess “2012” is their playbook.

      • Courser_Resistance

        No, I beg to differ. Sure, money is part of it, but they specifically want to destroy anything that people enjoy.

        “The wilderness, who needs it? You thought your lover-boy Obama saved your beloved ‘monuments’? Ha! Fuck you, first we’re going to rape them and then destroy ’em? Are you crying bitter tears, yet? Lessee, what can we do with the Grand Canyon? Sure as hell outta be something worth selling under all that, right?”

    • pd1648

      I will never understand their obvious spiteful, mean-spirited, and nihilistic approach to governance.

      How can these people love their country when they harbor obvious animus toward half the people in it?

      • Courser_Resistance

        Those people aren’t ‘real Americans’.

  • Rachel Book Harlot

    Never forget that CNBC sucks Trump’s knob all day ever day. I have the misfortune of having that network forced upon me at work. Used to be CNN, which is also terrible, then someone had the brilliant idea to switch to one that’s even worse. CNBC is basically Trump Network.

    • Weevie

      NBC is owned by Comcast, who now can sell subscriber data because Idiot Pai hates net neutrality.
      Linux, VPN and private DNS here I come.

      • Weevie

        Oh yeah, CNBC should be a good window into how Comcast thinks.

  • SadDemInTex

    #RESIST

  • Bitter Scribe

    Gravity is only a theory. Maybe we should “continue the debate and continue the review and analysis” on that, too. For starters, just to see if the predictions of pro-gravity scientists can be consistently replicated, Pruitt could repeatedly drop a brick on his skull.

  • Mormos

    Yes, lets continue the debate, preferably until we boil alive – which should bring said debate to a nice conclusion dont you think?

  • Mormos

    I often wonder if venus once had “intelligent” life like earth does, & if they poisoned themselves death as we are about to. Making the planet the lovely hotspot of acid rain & sulfurous air it is today

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      Mars also too, (although there’s also the problem of no rotating molten core with Mars.)

  • Lance Thrustwell

    Is it too thought-police-y of me to believe that there ought to be a legal obligation – not just a moral imperative – for legislators and government agency heads of all kinds to base policy on the preponderance of evidence?

    That is to say, if someone like Pruitt can’t actually prove the existence of, say, “tremendous disagreement” on the subject of human-caused climate change, he should be legally required to follow the best available science.

    Does that make me some sort of empirical Stalinist? Help me out here – maybe I’m a liberal thought-control agenda guy and I don’t even realize it?

    • Weevie

      Yeah of course. These are the same guys who don’t consider it a moral obligation to their people to provide health care. They couldn’t care less if we’re all dead, money is what counts!

    • House0fTheBlueLights

      The Derp State (i.e. the republican network of think tanks and independent research outfits) can be used to “prove” anything they want it to prove.

      • Weevie

        Sure and that is in no way science. I can correlate red hair with climate change if I pick the right criteria. Bunch of dipshits!

    • nightmoth

      Fine by me! I’m beginning a lot of statements these days with “If I were Queen—” followed by environmental sanctions, the transgression of which would be serious physical consequences.

  • proudgrampa

    I kinda makes me shake with rage when I realize that my 11-year-old and 8-year-old grandkids are smarter than fuckweasels like this guy.

    • Weevie

      I’ve been pounding correlation vs. causation into our kids heads forever and they can see through the latest Trump BS in a flash!

      • pd1648

        Mine, too. We did a good job there.

  • DainBramage

    The rest of the world must think the US is fucking bugnuts. And they’re right.

    • nightmoth

      When the latest celebration of the theocratic revolution in Iran features the usual “Death to America” chants, but ALSO has Iranians carrying signs offering us individual sanctuary, you know we’re in deep doo-doo.

    • Delu

      This person from out of America, and part of the rest of the world certainly does.

  • DensityDestiny

    So if 97% of doctors told you that you had cancer, I guess you would put your life in the hands of the 3%?

  • Goposaur

    Why do they go out of their way to be on the wrong side of history about everything?

  • whitroth

    No, I can think of three wishes if I find that genie (and will she be that pretty?) – and one would have President Sanders taking all this in hand, so we wouldn’t have to worry about A. Idiot like the Pruidiot.

  • JackLinks

    Here’s a photo of Manhattan Nov 24, 1966! That’s what’s going to happen across the country if the republicans have anything to say about!

    http://www.businessinsider.com/manhattan-smog-photos-1966-2013-1

    • whitroth

      When I was little, a popular thing in Philly was to take a boat ride down the Delaware to an amusement park on the river. I still remember, being about five, coming back to Philly, and smelling human shit in the river.

      Then the EPA came in with teeth and claws… and by the eighties, they were making the riverside a place to go.

      We ought to find out where this ee-jit lives, and pee on his lawn.

  • DainBramage

    Things like climate change and evolution have nothing to do with belief. I’ve had my share of chemistry, physics and biology, but that doesn’t mean I can even understand half of what the professionals who dedicate their lives to studying these topics go on about. My beliefs have no bearing on the acquisition of knowledge through the scientific method.

    • Jack Tenhet

      Very true. Historically, science has been at opposition to “belief” to the point that scientists were considered heretics. Looks like that idea is making a comeback.

      • doktorzoom

        Except the anti-science propagandists are now more likely to present science as the oppressive orthodoxy, and pseudoscience as the bold freethinkers who are being crushed by the Powers That Be.

        • Jack Tenhet

          I did watch that drivel because I wanted to debunk it. I fear you’re right, dok. I mean, there are enough pseudoscience nuts of all political stripes to make this more possible than in the past.

        • DainBramage

          Unfortunately, my sister-in-law has fallen deep into the naturopathic cult. She wants to believe things. A few years ago she got breast cancer, which was fortunately caught early. Also fortunately, she did go to an actual doctor of “western medicine” and had a very successful surgery. She was doing very well after the surgery, but what really irked me was that all she could do was lavish praise on some reiki practitioner who she’d claimed had helped out. No good words for the surgical team that has dedicated their lives to tangibly helping people.
          When I asked her how she could believe in something like reiki as there is no evidence whatsoever for how it might work, she just went on about how there are lots of things scientists haven’t discovered yet. I wish I’d thought to just interject that extraordinary claims need extraordinary evidence, but I’m sure she’d have ignored that or tried to turn it around.

  • lowenufc

    Pruitt is the frog in the pot of water as it comes to boil, saying that the heat is relaxing.

    • WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot

      The crab in the bucket that pulls down any of the other crabs trying to get out.

  • pd1648

    This is the one issue that, if ignored, will bring on such globally catastrophic results as to render any other issue trivial.

    We are already past the tipping point on climate change. Extinctions have already begun; the food web is already being torn apart. The icecaps and glaciers all over the planet are shrinking at an ever-increasing pace.

    It is horrific to realize that a relatively few individuals’ (as a percentage of the world’s population) greed, hubris and willful ignorance should be able to bring this deadly disaster down on the entire planet.

  • Robert James Nugent

    This is the new industry talking point. Sure it contributes, but how much?

  • whitroth

    Y’know, I was just looking at google news, and one story above the other: Pruitt denying CO2 effects the climate… and the one below it, about a defense lawyer at an arson trial in Florida having his pants literally catch on fire in court… and thought the wrong person’s pants caught fire.

  • Jack Tenhet

    On a possibly related note, I’m noticing a lot of ads for the petro industry in just the last few weeks on odd channels at odd time. Saw one at about two this morning on the friggin’ cartoon network. It’s just strange.

  • Flashman

    So, he lied in his testimony. Is that even wrong any more?

  • Poly_Ester

    He has apparently never spoken to anyone with a whit of knowledge (PERIOD) let alone anyone with an understanding of atomic physics.

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