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Red Pill TheoryVideo Lesson - Psychologist Drops some RP Truths backed up with scientific theory and Data (self.TheRedPill)

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Hi TRP,

My first ever post here, dont really use reddit much, too busy with real life. Been lurking on here for about 6 months. Was Mauve-Pill before I heard about this community, working my way to full Blood-Red Pill as I type. I knew there was something deeply wrong with western society in the way it TELLS men/women how they should behave towards each another just never had the explicit terminology for things I understood innately. I guess I have always been good at smelling bullshit. Thanks to the side bar I now do have the explicit understanding. Thanks chaps.

My first post is to share a GOLDMINE with you. I just listened to this lecture by Jordan B Peterson a clinical Psychologist in Canada that is pure distilled reality. Listened to it while crunching out some deadlifts and a leg day work out so no down time either.

In this lecture he drops the following RP truths and backs them up with psych theory and data: -

1) Current female unhapppiness due to changing society cuz extra responsibilities 2) why gender as a spectrum is HORSESHIT 3) Problems with Identity Politics in general 4) Mating preferences of men and women, the pareto principle and why the mating game in the west is all screwed up. How men vs women view status vis-a-vis selecting a mate etc. 5) Indirectly refers to what you guys call CHAD, when warning the women in the room about the future that awaits them after they bust their guts in their career, hit the wall and decide they want billy beta with high social status to pay for their mistakes. They marry billy, divorce and take the kids and then get "predated" by chads further making them depressed.

Its bang on the money. Best thing I have listened to for months.

Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABa4RdNPxU

T-P-P

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[–]throw17453 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I saw his interview with Joe Rogan recently, exceptionally interesting.

One of the things that struck me most about it was the clear sense that he had suffered from taking the positions he has. There was an almost incredulous frustration in his tone, and you could tell he had faced difficulty simply for disagreeing with the prevailing SJW narrative, and taking a stance for free expression, critical thought and scientific rigor.

You can tell there is no malice in his views. He is not looking to undermine, discriminate or diminish people. The usual SJW lines of criticism absolutely do not apply. And yet in spite of that he's faced difficulty for it, professionally and personally.

One of the most interesting views he put forward was an emphasis that "morality" or goodness may largely come down to personality traits, and genetic tendencies that people have a limited degree of control over.

Really he has my complete respect, more people should be speaking out in the way he is, and doing so in a considered, rational way. Especially in academia, where the situation is dire when it comes to free speech and expression.

[–]InternetHateDevice 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Link to the podcast? I'm definitely interesting in hearing what he has to say.

[–]throw17453 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04wyGK6k6HE

[–]Luckyluke23 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's really good, you should watch it all.

[–]Endorsed Contributorstonepimpletilists 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

his rebel media interview is good as well.

He's accidenatlly a great manosphere writer. Even he was taken aback how 95% of his audience are male.

[–]The-Peter-Principle[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Yeah I fully agree with you that more people especially in academia should think like him BUT they shouldn't do what he advocates - which is just out and out declare what they think. This is throwing yourself to the wolves and the political landscape in university and broader society will mince you up for wringthink. He needs to play it smarter, play the long game. Establishing a community of like minds from which rational arguments can be made with the understanding that an attack on one member is an attack on all. I admire his spirit but disagree with his confrontational approach as the authoritarian compassionates (Read SJWs) don't fight in this way.

[–]Hitleresque 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I think he's gone about it in the right way. At the climax of his spotlight he debated a law professor and a gender studies professor, and even had to fight the biased moderator, and was generally seen as the victor even in the cucked U of T community. If the whole debacle showed me anything it's that the silent majority mostly agrees with his line of thought. He's redpilled a ton of people in terms of ridiculing the bullshit SJW narrative that swept campuses mostly unchallenged in the past few years.

[–]Lo-G 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The spotlight hasn't gone out. But it has shifted. I've almost completely stopped consuming "red pill" content because this guy's thoughts are quite truly the next level.

[–]Hitleresque 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, having talked with him personally he's one of the most intelligent people I've ever met, and I have a comp-sci roommate with an IQ of 145 so that's a high bar. There's something about his field, being a clinical personality psychologist, where he just understands human thought processes down to their finest details. I should really watch more of his youtube lectures.

[–]TheSelfGoverned 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He is definitely a talented speaker with well-reasoned views.

[–]throw17453 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (7子コメント)

By should I mean from an idealistic standpoint, not a strategic one. It does not benefit him, and he has become a potential target, for advocating the positions he does. But for someone to stand on principle and conviction, in a situation where it benefits them to NOT do so, takes courage. Courage that I can respect.

I don't agree though that his approach is not how it should be played though. Society REQUIRES people like him willing to stand out and speak against the status quo, in order for the narrative to change. Otherwise you end up in a situation with oppositional views - red pill // blue pill.... republican // democrat.... liberal // conservative... etc. etc.

Polarized views of people with little respect or understanding for the other side - it becomes emotional, angry... people feel they are not able to freely speak their mind. You get in group out group thinking taking effect. Truth and understanding is no longer what is fought for, but power and influence. Anger, shouting, a demonising of the other side..... it creates societal rifts.

Ultimately in my view open dialogue benefits society - and if everyone engaged in 48 laws - machiavellian scheming on these issues then it would not be open dialogue, but war.

There is a recent shift of late that is more critical and challenging of SJW style attitudes. You see it politically, culturally, on the internet among young people especially. This will enable people - hopefully - to be more able to openly take positions publically and not risk their personal life and career.

It's not something I would be willing to engage in, for the reasons you state, but I admire those who do.

[–]The-Peter-Principle[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you're very noble in intention and I agree with what you say. BUT there is a BIG difference between the Machiavellian employment of the 48 laws of power and merely preparing your defenses against those who you know, by bitter experience, will not hesitate to lie, cheat, manipulate, gaslight. Two very different operationalised strategies. My version allows you to retain your sense of morality I think. Essentially be aware of and prepare against your enemy while maintaining logic and reasoned debate to the target population. Basic war fighting - solid logistics. In this environment, logistics =lines of communication= people who you can rely on and who will influence others.

[–]stawek 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The whole world is talking about him, half of it treating him as a hero and you're saying it doesn't benefit him?

You are excusing your own lack of courage as strategy.

[–]throw17453 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The whole world is talking about him, half of it treating him as a hero and you're saying it doesn't benefit him?

True, he has benefitted. My reading on him is that he has not taken the positions he has for self aggrandisement and attention, at least initially. That has been a byproduct. In that way he is different to Milo Yiannapoulos say - where you can tell narcissism and attention is a primary drive in him doing and saying what he does.

You are excusing your own lack of courage as strategy.

Expand on what you mean by this. I disagree, but want to hear your thought process behind the statement before making a judgement.

[–]stawek 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You are staying quiet yourself, never speaking up, just like this sub tells you to. You call it "strategy", but it is in fact lack of courage. You "strategically" condemn yourself to living in lies, resenting the people who police your language and waiting for somebody like Peterson to save us all.

Then, when somebody actually does it you call him an idealist without a strategy, after he turned celebrity overnight. Pure hamstering to excuse your own lack of moral courage.

[–]throw17453 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There is some truth to your position. By strategy, I was in part meaning strategic self-interest. Speaking up about these kind of things makes you a target, and you risk your social and professional life. This is not something I would be willing to do, I'm not going to pretend its for any reason other than strategic self-interest the bold bit being the most important.

I'll do what I can, whilst maintaining my wellbeing, and in situations that speaking out can be done with minimal self risk then sure. Beyond that I've got a life to lead.

[–]stawek 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What value is your social life if you can't speak truth even amongst friends? What value is your job when it makes you miserable and will destroy your soul over decades to come? Isn't it better to risk it? Maybe you lose the job, fine, there's always more, but maybe you will be the hero for everyone else who thinks like yourself but is to scared to speak up? Maybe most of your friends abandon you, but the few that remain will be proven to be worth it?

The whole point of Peterson is that free speech is not just about some ideals and abstract theories. It is very much in self interest of everyone involved to speak truth. In grand scale acquiescing leads to totalitarian society and hell, in small scale it's unhappiness, resentment and personal hell.
These ideas are so strong that they are the core of Christian religion, which was the basis of all modern world. How is it that almost all inventions are made in Christian countries (plus Israel and Japan, which have adopted Christian values)? It's because our culture accepts that a janitor can tell the CEO he is wrong, if he can prove his case.

[–]throw17453 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can easily be truthful and open with friends, and have a job I thoroughly enjoy. Not sure where this soul destroying aspect is coming from but it seems like projection on your part.

I agree with you on the second part - hence why I said this:

Ultimately in my view open dialogue benefits society

[–]stawek 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Peterson has hugely influential series of lectures, Personality and Maps of meaning. They are mostly audio, can be listened to in a car and are guaranteed to change your life.
If you ever wondered why people do the things they do, and more importantly, why YOU do the things you do, listen to this man.

[–]marclegil1 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I knew it was going to be Jordan Peterson before I even opened the link, he's been dropping some serious RP science recently. In another lecture he mentions how women are more attracted to masculine men when they are ovulating but the birth control pill stopped them from doing that so the masculine men didnt command the same power they used to.

[–]The-Peter-Principle[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep fucking gold. Makes people feel bad but they know it's true so cue the rage....

[–]jm51 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That would explain the rise of the skinny rock star at about the same time the pill became widespread.

[–]TryhardPantiesON 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Any link or the name of the lecture to look it up on youtube?

[–]marclegil1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the one in the OP, can't remember whereabouts in the video it is though.

[–]CardioPumps 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Expected Peterson, got Peterson.

[–]Luce_Bree 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jordan Peterson is amazing. It's already been mentioned, but I have to second that if anyone hasn't seen his interview with Joe Rogan, I highly recommend it. They cover a lot of ground, and it opened my mind in ways that I was genuinely not expecting.

On a side note I think the man deserves all the support from us that he can get, he is one of the people putting himself right on the front lines of the culture war, fearlessly and passionately.

[–]Endorsed ContributorMattyAnon 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

1) Current female unhapppiness due to changing society cuz extra responsibilities

Actually they have far less responsibilities or consequences than ever. The only new thing is "get a job". What's been removed is "raise 12 children to adulthood without a microwave oven, and keep your man happy".

why the mating game in the west is all screwed up

The mating game in the West is devolving and going back to our animalistic nature. Without the necessity for women to be virgins nor married by age 23, they're free to choose whoever they want in the here and now. And that means Chad.

In other words: thankyou betas for agreeing to support her later in life even though I'm banging her now... good job guys! :)

and then get "predated" by chads further making them depressed

I don't think women fully understand their options or dating reality. It's hard to work out what is lies and what is misunderstanding, but it seems they really believe the Disney lies just as much as the betas do. They seem to think that Hot Chad Who Can Have Any Girl He Likes will magically decide to settle down with her because she's A Super Special Snowflake.

Do they think that Chad-Shaming ("omg don't sleep around! don't be a fuckboy! provide for me instead") will work?

[–]Anayalata 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do they think that Chad-Shaming ("omg don't sleep around! don't be a fuckboy! provide for me instead") will work?

Many do. Hence the regret-filled stories coming from women in their late 30s/early 40s.

[–]PavleKreator 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually they have far less responsibilities or consequences than ever. The only new thing is "get a job". What's been removed is "raise 12 children to adulthood without a microwave oven, and keep your man happy".

Responsibilities that fulfill us cause much less unhappiness and much more happiness than boring chores.

[–]Hillarysdilddo_2016 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They marry billy, divorce and take the kids and then get "predated" by chads further making them depressed.

I keep reading predated as pre-dated? Bias or truth???

[–]ArkAngelEV 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Predated? ha, woman WANT to get used up and spit out by Chad. Predation my ass, they play posseum. Jokes aside, I suspect any serious and respected Dr. who drops real bio truths with data and experiments to back it up meet a Vladimir Kara-Murza fate by the Putin-esque, mass herd of women and their acolytes

[–]Lo-G 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This guy was about 2 inches away from losing his job and going to jail for a month or two, because of his statements. https://youtu.be/WQ-M5MgqVOo

[–]The-Peter-Principle[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

U don't make any sense. Message not understood

[–]CuriousBeacon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not relevant but mauve pill sounds like an interior decorator who thinks his gf is not being completely honest with him.

[–]The-Peter-Principle[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

lol how did you know I wear shirts with lace cuffs!? In honesty it was intended to declare I'm probably slightly more blue than red in the SRGB colour wheel of reality

[–]CuriousBeacon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I get it; personally I'm more burgundy-pill myself.

[–]iamanenemy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not big on science these days. I prefer my own approach, but I'll skim the video just to see what's up. See what I can learn.