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More Trump connections to Russian Oligarch (self.conspiracy)

krom_bom が 投稿

About a month ago, I made a post about Trump possibly meeting with a Russian oligarch before the election.

Now, a month later, it appears the MSM has picked up this same story, and has uncovered further ties to this oligarch here.

Most interestingly is the revelation that Trump sold a beach side mansion to this oligarch for over double the assessed value, and then turned around and bulldozed the mansion and is just selling the property. This is a classic money laundering scheme.

So despite a lack of hard evidence, the circumstantial evidence continues to pile up that Trump has unethical business dealings with high level Russia elites, and may use his powers as POTUS to further these relationships.

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[–]FuckWork79587 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What I don't understand about r/conspiracy recently is that for every other conspiracy on here, circumstantial evidence is more than enough to discuss possible conspiracies and shady business. Why is it that with Trump, circumstantial is suddenly not enough?

[–]krom_bom[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why is it that with Trump, circumstantial is suddenly not enough?

We both know the answer to that question.

[–]xdyev 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This is getting just so tedious.

Every day about 8AM eastern time US, the Trump-did-this-with-the-Russians posts start rolling in. It's like clockwork.

What's next? Trump eats dinner with Russian next door neighbor! World ending! Hide the children!

[–]LowFructose 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And, like clockwork, the Trump fellators flood the comments with DDDD - deflect, deny, discredit, distract.

[–]krom_bom[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thanks for reading my post and giving a thoughtful response... Oh wait, you just dismissed it out of hand, clearly without reading any of the sources or my previous post.

gtfo with your partisanship. open your eyes. Trump is corrupt as fuck, almost certainly.

[–]rocktogether 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even without Russian ties he is corrupt as fuck.

[–]krom_bom[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I'd just like to note that this post was downvoted literally within seconds of being posted.

Is that a coincidence? Maybe. But I think people around here may agree with me that voting patterns like this seem pretty suspect.

[–]Rocksolid1111 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

It looks like everything in new is being immediately downvoted. Not just posts like this that are pushing the CTR/blue share narrative.

[–]krom_bom[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

pushing the CTR/blue share narrative.

Are you joking? If you actually read my post, there is strong evidence that Trump and this oligarch are colluding together.

I thought this sub was for conspiracies, not just cheerleading for the POTUS.

[–]Rocksolid1111 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not joking, I read it and not buying it.

[–]krom_bom[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not buying what? I provided significant evidence, and you just sit there and say, "nope, not buying it." I don't even believe you that you read through all of it.

Also, in your opinion, is being suspicious of Trump automatically make someone CTR/share blue?

[–]Rocksolid1111 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It's evidence but doesn't look significant to me. He sold a property 8 years ago, their jets were at the same airport at the same time.. Am I missing something?

I never said you were share blue/CTR but your posts fit in with the same narrative that they are blitzing everywhere.

[–]krom_bom[S] 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So in your opinion, anyone who criticizes Trump is suspect of being CTR/share blue?

[–]Rocksolid1111 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Not necessarily. I welcome criticism if it's objective. Most of it isn't. It's the boy(share blue/CTR) crying wolf scenario. They have made it incredibly hard to believe anyone.

[–]krom_bom[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So in what way is my post no tobjective? I laid out a set of facts, and speculate about (what I would consider reasonable) conclusions that can be drawn from those facts.

[–]LowFructose 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Consider perhaps you are the one who isn't objective.

[–]doucheeebag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one here is really cheering for POTUS lol he's just as bad as the rest of them

[–]xdyev 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your're the suspect, flappy pants.

[–]krom_bom[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your're the suspect, flappy pants.

What does that mean?

[–]redditctrsux 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

yawn

[–]LowFructose 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Suddenly Skeptical™

^ This subs motto when it comes to any Trump conspiracy

[–]redditctrsux 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This connection is literally the most boring fucking bull shit conspiracy. You people are grasping for fucking straws.

[–]krom_bom[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's pretty sad that you don't care that Trump is possibly the most corrupt POTUS in history.

[–]Mike_McDermott 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

OP, I remain very skeptical of Trump. I do not share the idea that he is some kind of savior that some of the users here have. Its certainly possible he has sympathies for Russia's elite.

Its similar to how Obama grew up Muslim. How could he not be sympathetic to muslims and the religion of Islam you know?

All presidents are bad people. They desire power and control over other humans and I think its just a huge mistake to trust any of them.

However, Trump has done one positive thing so far that I like: He defeated the Cunt. So there is that, wouldnt you agree?

[–]krom_bom[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't know. To be honest, I have never been a fan of HRC, but I have remained very skeptical of the idea that she would have been worse than Trump. We'll never know for sure, though, since she's out of the game now.

What I do believe, is that the time for talking about HRC is gone. Trump is POTUS now, let's try to hold him accountable, and remain skeptical of his intentions.

[–]Mike_McDermott 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Trump is POTUS now, let's try to hold him accountable, and remain skeptical of his intentions.

100% agree. I hope the users here will do the same. Its very dangerous to give any politicians, especially the ones we tend to agree with, a pass.

Thats how we got into this mess: by not holding our elected officials accountable when they lie, break promises and do evil things. What I mean by that is, democrats do not hold democrats accountable and neither do republicans. They circle the wagons when someone in their group fucks up and that hurts us all.

[–]whyd_you_kill_doakes 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What I do believe, is that the time for talking about HRC is gone. Trump is POTUS now, let's try to hold him accountable, and remain skeptical of his intentions.

I just use the pedes' phrase against them "get over it, she lost." It's amazing they're still all "lock her up!" and ignore everything trump does

This post is at 0 because why? Because it goes against the narrative of this sub that changed when t_d took it over

[–]Popular_Prescription 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Have an up vote, friend.

[–]krom_bom[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This post is at 0 because why? Because it goes against the narrative of this sub that changed when t_d took it over

Yup.

[–]whyd_you_kill_doakes 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know what's hilarious is the pedes telling me what this sub is about...a regular contributor for the past 5 years. I've been here 5 years but obviously am just talking out of my ass when I say t_d and pizzagate ruined the sub.

[–]Rocksolid1111 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's out of office but not out of the game. If she isn't held accountable for her long, long list of corruption then how can we expect the next corrupt politician to be held accountable?

[–]western_red 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (26子コメント)

I know a lot of people on this sub want to dismiss the Trump-Russia connections, but I don't think three Trump officials would have resigned so readily if there is nothing there. It doesn't seem like a great leap to me to think that Trump - a lifelong businessman - would use his position in the US government to further his own business interests.

[–]rocktogether 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He already used his campaign for his own interests. He was using donations to pay inflated rent on his own property, to himself. Hell isn't he making a shitload of money renting a floor of Trump tower to the secret service?

[–]krom_bom[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I agree completely.

His supporters are so quick to say, "oh he's already a billionaire, he doesn't NEED anymore money, why would he be corrupt?"

Well, no one on this planet became a billionaire by not caring about making more money. In fact, I'd venture to say that it's nearly impossible to attain that much wealth without being a greedy son of a bitch.

[–]doucheeebag 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Idk man. As much as I really don't give a fuck about trump he DID give up his presidential salary so idk how greedy he really is

[–]LowFructose 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You think greedy people want to be President for the salary?

[–]doucheeebag -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Literally never said that. But if I was greedy I wouldn't be turning down a steady stream of income

[–]LowFructose 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If I was greedy I'd want a token gesture to distract rubes from the fact that my cronies and I are robbing the country blind.

[–]doucheeebag 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I was greedy I would just rob people fuck what they think

[–]krom_bom[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Greedy enough to make a big PR stunt by giving up his salary, only to turn around and use his resort Mar-a-lago as a "winter whitehouse" where the fed government has to foot the bill to the tune of millions of dollars, which goes right into his pockets.

[–]western_red 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The downvotes are already coming - it's funny to me that the conspiracy sub is ignoring the biggest conspiracy of our time because of their own political affiliations.

[–]krom_bom[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup, they sit around crying about share blue, while literally any anti-trump is AUTOMATICALLY downvoted to shit.

hmmmmm....

[–]passenger_pidgin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (15子コメント)

The "insider" narrative is that Flynn resignation and Sessions' recusal were work of either Pence or Priebus (who are supposedly pro-Deep State elements within the administration).

Whether the Bushes, Clintons, and Obama enriched themselves through "pay to play" or shifting American interests in favor of their own isn't even a question. Under their administrations, the US wealth gap has grown to record proportions. Further, real economic indicators have been consistently rigged to fit the narrative of the "Great Recovery."

The bottom line is that the US government has grown, its power has increased, and most Americans are worse off for it. If you don't understand why your countrymen don't care about the Russian scare, perhaps it indicates your favored status. If, by some chance, you didn't profit from the looting of the American middle class, then it begs the question of why you are so concerned with Russia.

We are all in this together, whether you believe it or not.

[–]western_red 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Why would Pence be in on it? Is there any evidence of this at all?

There is actual evidence that there were contacts, perhaps inappropriate, between the Trump campaign and Russia. This is ignored. Really step back and look at it - you are making a claim with no proof, solely because it fits with your narrative.

I do believe that we are all in this together, that is why I'm baffled by the hero worship of Trump. He's out for himself like any other politician for all I've seen.

[–]passenger_pidgin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Pence's own words

Trump worship is just the reincarnation of "Hope and change" from 2008. You really don't get it, do you? I'm not saying that that is what he represents IRL, but (at present, even with your attempted Russia smear) the folks in r/conspiracy still hope that he destroys the Deep State, which has destroyed American democracy (and done the same countless other countries as well). Hindsight might be much different for r/conspiracy, but that is what you are up against.

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask - If Russia is so dangerous and bad, why did Obama administration green light Frank Giustra to sell them so much Uranium?

[–]western_red 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Nothing in the linked article is proof of a "deep state" or nefarious goals from Pence.

I get that you want Trump to represent some huge change, but that doesn't make it true. Russia can be good or bad, my point is Trump is using the presidency for his own personal and financial gain, and if that involves Russia (good or bad) Trump is fine with it. Pay to Play killed the Clintons, Trump is open about it and somehow that makes him the savior of the common man.

[–]passenger_pidgin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Anyone who idolizes HGW Bush (as a veep) is either an idiot or a psychopath. Bipartisan globalism and looting of US was the real issue of the (s)election. The identical nature of Bush and Obama administrations (minus ACA) has been apparent to most readers on these types of threads for at least 5 years. People are suspicious of folks like you who can't see it. There are legitimate ways to attack Trump and gain traction on this thread. Don't be mad at me that you can't figure it out. no answer on Giustra?

[–]western_red 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

So your evidence on Pence is just because he idolizes Bush?

I'm saying Trump is just more of the same, I don't know why you can't see it. I don't see what point you are trying to make with Giustra. Are you saying that the uranium deal shouldn't have happened at all because Russia is bad?

[–]passenger_pidgin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

if you don't know about HGW Bush (CIA, Iran Contra, Saudi Aramco, and Franklin scandal) WTF are you doing in r/conspiracy, ffs???

Yes, that is exactly my point. I'm saying that as a rule, states don't give nuclear materials (for bombs or energy) to their enemies.

Your message fails to reach because you are attacking Trump in the wrong areas, using a flawed narrative. I'm telling you this as a person who did not vote for the guy. I really thought you were a bot after your first few responses (checked your comments and see you are a human karma whore). Your inability to understand the failure of your arguments reminds me of Upton Sinclair...

[–]western_red 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Of course I do. So, the entire government is the "deep state"? And everyone who disagrees with you is a shareblue bot? For all your complaining, you still aren't giving and specific evidence.

[–]passenger_pidgin 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

If you are being sincere, then you have some of the worst reading comprehension I have ever encountered in all of my days on the internet. My goal is to help people like you learn to read better, but this cannot be accomplished through an online conversation.

If you are trolling, I salute your successful efforts to make me question your sanity.

Use a search engine to test my "claims."

[–]anthrolooksee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I personally don't subscribe to the idea that Trump is in cahoots with Russia.

But this business dealing here definitely looks like money laundering to me. But a business man involved in illegal or shady business practices I don't think is surprising here. Its disgusting behavior.

I think I would be more alarmed about Russian control over him if he had literally 0 ties to Russia that were visible, because a mover and shaker such as himself would have ties in Russia like he would the rest of the developed world.

[–]Fat_Scott_Steiner -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Fucking shills. No more wars for Israel, if you satanic fucks want war go fight them yourselves.

[–]krom_bom[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Literally have no idea wtf you are talking about.

[–]Edogawa1983 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

basically Trump supporters want us to ally with Russia and have this Christian unification and they hate US dealing with Saudis and Israel cuz Muslims and Jews.

[–]WTCMolybdenum4753 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (16子コメント)

and has uncovered further ties to this oligarch here.

Jeezus christ! Long read with little revelations. What spurred you to post this link?

[–]krom_bom[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I made a post about this over a month ago, and then I saw that the media had picked up the story, and done some further research uncovering real estate dealings between the two.

[–]WTCMolybdenum4753 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Not the post but the article.

[–]krom_bom[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (13子コメント)

then I saw that the media had picked up the story, and done some further research uncovering real estate dealings between the two.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question, but I feel like the above quoted text is the answer?

I just saw this article pop up in one of my news feeds this morning, and thought, "oh shit, the MSM finally picked up this story, maybe I should make a new post about it."

And then I read the article, and it contained further information that I thought was relevant.

Does this answer your question?

[–]WTCMolybdenum4753 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I always look for some relevant quote. I expected you'd done the same and went looking for it. Not finding anything shady or untoward I pondered if you had. Was a well researched bs article. A big nothingburger.

[–]krom_bom[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Was a well researched bs article. A big nothingburger.

I disagree 100%. But I'm happy that we can have a civil discussion about it.

[–]WTCMolybdenum4753 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Your disagreement would be better served with a quote. Planes on the tarmac and selling houses does not a conspiracy make. Where's the beef?

[–]krom_bom[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

A quote? From whom? Are you seriously saying that you require a quote from Trump, saying something about how he's doing illegal shit with russians?

[–]WTCMolybdenum4753 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

From the article you felt important enough to link too.

[–]krom_bom[S] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Oh I'm sorry, I apologize, I didn't realize that you couldn't be bothered to spend 5 minutes reading a few page article. I guess I forgot that nowadays some people can only consume information that is packaged into nice little <140 character chunks, so they don't have to think too hard.

Anyway, I'd say the juiciest part was that Rybolovlev bought a mansion from Trump for nearly 4 timse what Trump paid for it, right in the midst of the housing collapse. This is evidence of classic money laundering. Oh, he also bulldozed the house and is now selling the property at a loss.

Rybolovlev famously purchased Trump’s Palm Beach mansion for almost $95 million in 2008. The transaction made headlines because he paid almost $60 million more than Trump had, and Rybolovlev bought it amid the U.S. financial crisis, which imperiled real estate values.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article136940273.html#storylink=cpy