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[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 186 ポイント187 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Billboards that even hint at criticizing the church are notoriously hard to procure in Utah (big shock). However, there are ways to tojan horse your way in - at least for a few weeks. Maybe a fake missing person ad is the way to do it? ...... pessimist time: Not that it changes anything (when was the last time you actually paid attention to a billboard?).

EDIT: wow this blew up! If you are interested in helping the thousands of modern day Helen Kimballs living right under our noses, please consider donating to Holding Out Help

[–]sexmormon-throwaway 120 ポイント121 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This would not only get individual attention, it would get social media attention and then main stream media attention. Like when GOD LOVES GAYS billboards hit Salt Lake.

[–]fdamama 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I passed the one just south of UVU every morning for work. Those two weeks were absolutely awesome, and I started those days with a huge smile!!!

[–]Nevermo_JralphieNEVERMO 🌀 {Bender is 30% tithing} 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It doesn't have to be in Utah, what are the chances that an LDS news source isn't going to cover this "anti-Mormon persecution"

[–]Sage0wl 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem with doing this in reality is that it would be crying wolf about real abductions

[–]buzzboy7 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Visiting last winter we sure noticed the 9th President billboards along I-15. Turns out it was a test to show that people actually do look at billboards.

[–]skeemo 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I don't know a lot about Mormonism. But one of my biggest unresolved questions is, how can basically all of the founders of your faith be polygamists, and that not be something the mainstream Mormons believe?

Just asking. Not sure if this is the right place.

[–]Charles88888 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They do believe it. If they don't, they are dishonest with themselves.

It is still in the mormon scriptures. Mormonism still practices a version of it where if a man's wife dies, he can marry another one. He gets both wives in heaven. Current Mormon leaders have done this.

Note that women can't do the same thing.

[–]skeemo 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

much the same in all religions really. that women can't do something afforded to men.

[–]JustJess02I was young, and they deceived me 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The wife doesn't even have to be dead. My brother in law is sealed to two living women, but divorced from the first.

A woman however can not be sealed to two men unless everyone is dead( and even then the woman would have to "choose" which man she will be with in the eternities.

[–]chiguayante 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They do believe it, they just don't practice it. Relevant scripture:

"Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise." First Official Declaration, by Wilford Woodruff. October 6, 1890.

Theoretically if it became legal again, God would declare the doctrine necessary again.

[–]skeemo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thanks. This guy I'll need to learn more about cause I read about.

Edit: It amazes me that something written in 1890 can be considered "scripture."

[–]chiguayante 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It does seem weird, doesn't it? I was taught growing up that anything said during General Conference is scripture as well, but I don't know if that is still something taught.

[–]skeemo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It is to me cause logically it doesn't make sense. Like removing books from the Bible. No longer following certain "rules." You can't say our religion is the word of an immortal god, but we don't follow these parts of this infallible perfect being.

[–]chiguayante 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Mormons think of the words of the prophets differently. They think that a prophet's words are mainly for the people of their time. This is why you'll see much higher emphasis put on the modern prophet if you go to an LDS church. The words of the modern prophet are supposed to be specifically for our time, our people. This makes it easier to compartmentalize inconsistent doctrine, commandments, etc.

[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Most 'mainstream' Mormons in their guts hate the idea and are terrified of it ever coming back. It looms like a sword of Damocles. The general idea is if you don't talk about it maybe it will just go away - but there are literally thousands of underage girls in the US being peddled as sexual slaves in Mormon fundamentalist sects (aka Mormons who actually practice what their doctrine actually teaches). It's vile and the current mainstream LDS church is 100% culpable and yet does nothing. Not a finger is lifted.

[–]chiguayante 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In the case of my great-great-grandfather, he was told to leave his 1st wife with his sons in SLC and take a new wife, move to Mesa and start a new family. He stayed these most of the time and only came back to visit. That's the kind of thing that weirds me out, TBH. "Oh, that wife of yours? She'll be fine- just get a new one!"

[–]mofriend 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do you say the mainstream LDS Church is culpable?

[–]cloistered_around 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I doubt this is going to trick anyone. That's very obviously Smith up there, and the ad would be pulled in a day or two tops even if it did somehow manage to slide by.

[–]s-l-k 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

CESLETTER.COM for a billboard would do the trick more than any other alternative for a sign. Short and right to the point. I probably wouldn't waste my money on anything else

[–]pamelanatsume 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Google Oba Chandler. Billboards reach a huge captive audience.

[–]BobZebart 103 ポイント104 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Can we add Joseph Smith's age in there too? Up the creep factor.

[–]Lucifer_16_13 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Last seem with 38 year old man

[–]CaptainMacaroni 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last seem with 38 year old man

Last seem with man several months before his 39th birthday.

[–]C_EberhardFlute tooter 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Last seem with 38 year old man

Last seen with 38 year old male polygamist leader

FTFY

[–]deirdresm 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

38-year-old abductor.

[–]vin1616 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Wish I could upvote multiple times.

[–]ClayChristensen 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Me too, it should at least make it to the top of reddit.

[–]NearlyHeadlessLabanHow can you be nearly headless? 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Leave out the (At Time of Abduction), just put Age 14 for emphasis.

Also drop the words "Last Seen."

Those phrases only add reading time when flying by at 80mph and don't enhance the message. You need the readers to see the last part.

[–]Word2daWise 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree. I also agree with the issues related to the word "Missing." Maybe use the word "VICTIM!" And emphasize the sexual predator elements.

[–]Word2daWise 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (11子コメント)

YES! How about changing it to, "Forced to become the 28th wife of the founder of the LDS Church." Get rid of the date - it takes needless space.

[–]_JimmyJazz_ 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (10子コメント)

It looks like he put Smith on a Warren Jeffs pic, so without the date a casual glance might lead one to think it has something to do with Jeffs

[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (7子コメント)

can i just say having that image for even 5 minutes on my hard drive made me feel queasy.

[–]ShrimpCrackers 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Is that a... ugh. Is he making out with a child? Ugh. Yuck. WTF. Why wasn't he stopped? Why did the photographer do nothing?

[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Google 'warren jeffs child bride' if you wanna have a bad time. Also, the photographer was was a high ranking member of his (still going strong) sect of Mormonism. Who is also a polygamist.

[–]ShrimpCrackers 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sorry, but I can't. This is terrible. I can't, I'm already filled with disgust. Poor child. Someone should have stopped this.

[–]tonusbonusI'd kick Joe's ass at the stick pull. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Someone did stop this. It's the reason Jeffs is in prison today.

Edit: I don't mean to imply that this practice has been stopped at all. I'm sure this is a problem that will continue as long as religions are protected.

Jeffs was stopped, and a large dent put in the leadership of this particular sect.

[–]ShrimpCrackers 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I meant at the time while he was apparently freely making out with children in public. To me it's no different than watching some poor child get raped while everyone witnessing just shrugs.

[–]tonusbonusI'd kick Joe's ass at the stick pull. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh i see. Yeah. You're right. The fucks in that room are about as culpable as Jeffs himself.

[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah it's sick. And it's been going on systematically for well over 100 years.

[–]BobZebart 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And for TBMs when Warren Jeffs marries children it is gross, when Joseph Smith marries children it is the dispensation of the fullness of times.

[–]MitchypooHold to my Iron Rod. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That picture creeps me the fuck out every time I see it.

[–]zando95Confirmed Bisexual 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not sure it's a good idea to make a fake missing person poster. And she was definitely seen after her "abduction" smh

[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If there was a single solid reason NOT to do it, it'd be this. There's currently a 0% chance of actually making it but if there WERE a chance, the thought of making light of real missing person's would keep me from doing it.

[–]chocolate-labiaalmost completely gay 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

that's why i came here to comment. it would be pretty upsetting to see this billboard and try to scan it as quick as possible, then find out it's just some religious or anti-religious propaganda.

but like you said, there's no way anyone would let you put this up.

[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I appreciate your comments and your username Chocolate Labia.

[–]chocolate-labiaalmost completely gay 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

cheers buddy ol pal

[–]fishear 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So make it a "Mormon Facts" series of informative postcards. It looks like you have some design know how. It may be more powerful to post on social media (and cheaper). This is why the internet was invented after-all, to spread the good news!

[–]LouLoomis 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This was my thought, too. I love the poster but even if only causes a handful of people to avert their eyes from real missing posts in the future, it would be bad for the currently missing children.

[–]1point21Gigawatts 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Does anyone here own land next to the freeway in Utah? Let's get an r/exmormon billboard up!

[–]EkriirkEBrotha from Anotha Motha 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You'd get your fields lovingly burnt down by the tolerant followers of Jesus.

[–]ProphetOnandagus 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

How come she looks like she is anamorphing into a cat?

[–]hawkssb04 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would personally donate money to make this possible.

[–]truthRealized 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now, that's truth in advertising.

[–]TheNewNameIsGideon 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

awesome BillBoard. Should do this in a state like Colorado or Nevada.

[–]Word2daWise 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or Idaho & Arizona. (I know the FLDS is concentrated in CO and NV, but we need current members to know the history).

[–]Thanks_Joe 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Free beer for anyone who pulls this shit off

[–]iamsith 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes!!!!!! Make it happen

[–]DervishHaydar 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Out of the Loop: what is this about

[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

a dark parody ad inspired by one of the most damning pieces of evidence against Mormon prophet Joseph Smith. Helen Mar Kimball was the youngest of The Prophet's 33 plural wives (one of 11 underage girls - another 11 consisted of current married women). For nearly a century the Mormon church buried all references or information about her, stridently claiming that any reference to Smith's polygamy was nothing but baseless slander. Only recently - say in the last 5 years or so - has the Church admitted to her existence while continuing to completely deflect the fact that she was (as they put it) 'a few months shy of 15'.

Her story, and her journals documenting the ordeal, are harrowing.

[–]YellowDogWagging 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well you can always print your own and post them in Post Offices, Stores other common areas around Utah.

[–]protectedbybarney 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a hoot. However, a little too much text. I would worry that people might crash their cars looking at it. I'm not sure you could get an advertising company to go along with this, but it's a cool idea. Also, cosmetically speaking, the two sides of her face are different tones. I'd say, pick one.

[–]iambookus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes, I want to do a billlboooooaaaardddd!!!!

My sincerest apologies. Had to.

[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Doesn't have to be a billboard

[–]AnotherClosetAtheist✯✯✯✯ General in the War in Heaven ✯✯✯✯ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

okay driiiiiive

[–]ARREST_HILLARY_NOW 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

just do it

you can always print your own and post them in Post Offices, Stores other common areas around Utah.

stickers work great for this, i know, i did smth similar

[–]secondsniglet 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think it would be more powerful to do without the details. Just say that Helen Mar Kimball is missing. Leave it a mystery that makes people want to find out more.

Maybe you could say last seen May 1843, but that would be it.

[–]Word2daWise 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yes, but she was never missing. The "from history" part is so small I almost missed it in the meme.

[–]secondsniglet 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But it gets people thinking and wondering what the fuss is about.

[–]TrippinNW 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a nevermo but I'd pitch in a few bucks anyway. I see comments here about how billboard companies wouldn't post these around Utah. I've never used billboard advertising, but if a billboard company was offeree enough over the standard price, what's the likelihood one would bite and put it up?

[–]stopthemadness2015 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck how I wish this was fucking real!

[–]utmatt20 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

u/SageTurk, may I use this on a FB page I've got?

[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure man no problem :)

[–]Bjv8 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm a nevermo but I'd pitch in a state like Colorado or Nevada.

[–]Freeatlast112015 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, she didn't go missing, she was GIVEN to JS by her father. So the message needs to be changed, but in fact her childhood/girlhood was tragically interrupted. As happened to so many young girls from then, right up to Warren Jeffs and beyond. My heart bleeds for these victims. We do need to support the work of those who are involved with bringing this kind of violence to light.

[–]Juggler_Vain 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Ugh. I made THIS years ago. Nobody liked it. I don't like it.

[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would be concerned about someone who DID like it - seriously I hadn't seen these pics in a while, I felt gross all day afterwards as any decent person should

[–]Juggler_Vain 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's interesting to see what a little visual context will do to awful rationalizations.

[–]_-CrookedArrow-_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would love, LOVE to see this. But only if would go one step further: legal action is taken by the church for slander or something. Then every single move after that is brought to light through social media and news. "Breaking News: Court Rejects Cease and Desist Order Based on Sealing Records Found in Family.org"

[–]Word2daWise 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even without that, there would be backpedaling and other efforts to draw attention to the church narrative - which means people would become even more curious.

[–]DystopianFutureGuy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Praise to the man!

[–]houston_oilers 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That, uh, that's pretty good.

[–]Dramatological 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

So. I googled her. It keeps saying that after he died she married some guy "for time" all in quotes exactly like that, but no where does it explain what that is.

[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll do an ELI5 - Mormons believe any marriage not performed in one of their temples is treated as null and void in the afterlife. Temple marriages (or sealings) are considered 'for time and eternity'. To add to the craziness, in the 1840's Joseph Smith, the Mormon founder, 'sealed' himself - aka took as a plural wife - roughly 33 women. What's worse, a third of them were underage, a third of them were currently married to other men. Often he used threats of damnation to coerce them into it. So Helen Mar Kimball, the youngest of his wives, was taken from her parents and sealed to Joseph. Her marriage after Joseph was considered a temporary earth-only arrangement where in the afterlife she'd be given back to Smith.

hope that helps!

[–]kajwksjhenb 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"for time" instead of "for time and all eternity" meaning according to the church she is married in this life to some guy and Joe gets her again in the after life.

[–]protectedbybarney 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I already posted but I have another idea. Instead of saying MISSING from history, How about MISSING her childhood? It would be a little more accurate.

[–]HitSend 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ick.

[–]fluteitup 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why does Joseph look like Nicholas cafe

[–]SageTurkit's ok, you are loved, you can go[S] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nicholas cage would make an amazing Joseph smith

[–]that_snarky_one 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd contribute to this. No question.