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5 Afghan teens who raped boy to be expelled from Sweden (washingtonpost.com)

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[–]United Kingdom2a95 237 ポイント238 ポイント  (94子コメント)

They need to do this with all refugees who break the law - or at least commit very serious crimes.

[–]Germanylangeunterhose 95 ポイント96 ポイント  (33子コメント)

Agreed. Something like stealing I can oversee but raping a child... What's the punishment for that in Afghanistan? I suspect death by the boy's family before the police even bothers to lift a finger.

[–]iponi 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'll just leave this here.

[–]Cuen 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The Taliban in Afghanistan were actually hardline against this. It was outlawed under their regime. When the US came in and drove off the Taliban from large parts of the country this practice was once again returned. Several reports say that the US forces were ordered to ignore these practices because their allies(and only local opponents to the Taliban) were involved.

So in order to drive the Taliban away it was acceptable to have people in power that propagated these morally objectionable practices.

[–]iponi 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If only we could find a middle ground somewhere between raping little boys and throwing battery acid in the faces of girls who go to school.

[–]Partisanal 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the Afghani government forces will get owned by the Taliban eventually. Why? They're drug addled and the Taliban are not.

[–]DenmarkEmRoPetersen 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've heard the claim before, but do you have any credible citation for this claim that Bacha Bazi were less widespread under the Taliban?

[–]Stringer_b3ll 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Source? Edit: Oh there's something on the wiki page nvm.

[–]givemethefubuEllthan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

morally objectionable

I think these actions are long pased the point of "objectionable".

[–]FinlandRIMdude 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That news blew my mind!

Never though this could exist , and in Afghanistan. Very hard to imagine!

[–]The Netherlandsjimba22 118 ポイント119 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Probably a pat on the back.

And if the child is female, she will be stoned to death for shaming her family.

[–]Northern SerbiaSandpaperThoughts 70 ポイント71 ポイント  (13子コメント)

In Muslim countries homosexuality is illegal, but only those who are on the receiving end are considered homosexuals. So technically it's illegal to get raped. But raping others is perfectly fine. And yes, Europe welcomed a million of people with this kind of mindset.

[–]Europos Sąjunga, Lietuvos RespublikaPM_Me_Your_Ladyboys 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Some parts of Europe*

[–]JHalliley 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

With a username like that, you must be sad about that...

[–]New JerseySampo 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't think gay people want to be raped any more than straight people do.

[–]ItalyStoicismus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

TIL: all muslims are hidden rapists.

[–]Gothmog26 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Congratulations on getting "woke"

[–]FinlandRIMdude 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now that was a statement.

[–]A nation among nationsMrBrickBreak 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Every point in those three sentences is a branching generalization.

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    [–]User019283 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What's the punishment for that in Afghanistan?

    before the police even bothers to lift a finger.

    You seriously do not know? I mean, you really do not know?

    [–]Maus_Sveti 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You mean "overlook" :)

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      [–]Nordrhein-Westfalen, DeutschlandDeutschbag_ 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (22子コメント)

      Agreed. Any violent crimes, sexual crimes, or property crimes of a value higher than a thousand or two thousand euro should be grounds for immediate summary deportation.

      And for those who might argue that that is inhumane because of the places they came from: Tough titties. They should have thought of that before committing a crime.

      [–]DenmarkDnarg 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      I think it should be about intent. I don't really want to import thieves either. If they actively choose to become criminals, they choose to go home. I don't care about the situation in their homeland at that point. Not at all. We didn't choose going back there for them, they did that themselves.

      But of course no one should be deported over a parking ticket, a slight case of speeding etc.

      [–]Nordrhein-Westfalen, DeutschlandDeutschbag_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Agreed. Violence, sex crimes, and large theft should be the criteria.

      [–]User019283 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (17子コメント)

      As an immigrant myself, I think the law should be simple: commit any crimes at all of any kind and off you go.

      [–]GreeceMithrantir 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (13子コメント)

      That is way too harsh. There should be a logical barrier where a second opportunity is given.

      [–]User019283 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      I'm sorry but why? If you're given everything - handed everything for free while many locals themselves are in a worse situation than you, why would you get a second chance?

      It's a serious question :)

      [–]VigilantMike 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I imagine to protect them from some racist officers from finding some old bogus thing that most people don't know is illegal and using it as an excuse to deport somebody.

      [–]European UnionI_like_spiders 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      A zero-tolerance policy has the negative effect that the migrant will not try to integrate to the society, if he believes that interactions with groups other than his own could send him back to his coutry of origin, if he does a minor crime or something wrong. Also if you do a wrongful conviction you will expel someone that is innocent, something that might repel migrants that want to integrate and make them feel discriminated.

      [–]User019283 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Thanks for explaining. I'm still not convinced, though. And again, I'm an immigrant myself.

      [–]SwedenSlurpolo 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      With this line of thinking you could argue for having a death sentence as punishment for all crimes. It's simple to avoid, just don't commit any crimes. And if you do, well you knew the consequences.

      [–]FranceEpeic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      So what would happen if a policeman would accuse you of a crime you didn't commit? Tough luck for you?

      [–]Lithuanialietuvis10LTU [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      A simple driving ticket is far from a valid reason for deportation.

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        [–]SerbiaJurgen44 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        If they can't appreciate that they have been given a new life, then they can fuck off.

        [–]CozyTime 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They were already given a second opportunity when they got into the country. I don't think its harsh enough, rape or murder should be execution rest expelling.

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          [–]A nation among nationsMrBrickBreak 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I agree with the sentiment but I believe it should be subject to trial, not summary enactment. Burden of proof and attenuating circumstances should be considered insofar as they are to natives, as the possibility of deportation already places natives and immigrants on different stances before justice - which should be blind.

          They're on our soil, they follow our laws. But we enact them equally, because that's the very basis of our rule of law.

          [–]Nordrhein-Westfalen, DeutschlandDeutschbag_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Oh, I meant after conviction of course.

          [–]julian_remo 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (34子コメント)

          Even better: deport them all. Europe should not pay for America's and Russia's fuck-ups and pissing contests.

          [–]United Kingdom2a95 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (21子コメント)

          Nah. If they're not causing trouble I don't really care to be honest.

          [–]Franceiscreamcoke 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          If they make efforts to integrate in our culture, learn the language and love their new homeland like I do, I don't care neither

          [–]CroatiaTodalooo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Then they are not refugees?

          [–]Germanymoakim 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          Pardon?

          [–]CroatiaTodalooo 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Refugees flee from war right? That means they are going back at point when its safe? So why waste everyone's time if they are going back anyways?

          [–]FinlandRIMdude 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Because there is no discriminatory system readily made for them: as to only put then into a safe place and treat them continually like foreigners. They become parts of the community after a while because of the non-descriminatory aspects of the law.

          [–]Catalonia (Indep.)untipoquenojuega 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          HAHAHAHA

          You think they are willingly going to return?!

          [–]IrelandTropoMJ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Just because refugees leave their country as a result of war doesn't mean they're going to go back when the war is over. If you leave your country for a war that goes on for a few years and manage to build a life in your new country during that then you're not going to go back. You'll only go back if you fail to integrate.

          I really don't know why you have so many upvotes. Who gave you the idea that refugees always go back home?

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            [–]PolandSzudar 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            Mass immigration always causing some problems so you technically agree with him.

            [–]United Kingdom2a95 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I judge people on an individual basis. If they're working and obeying the law, I'm not fussed.

            [–]A nation among nationsMrBrickBreak 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

            Seems to me he's speaking of individuals, rather than a collective - a perspective we ought to take more often.

            [–]PolandSzudar 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

            If we are going to look too much from "individual" perspective and starts to more often ignore broader perspective where society looks more like organism and not like lonely isles we will be in trouble. There is too much multilateral influence in society so reducing this perspective even more can be catastrophic in long-term. Too much immigration with not enough economic opportunities create radicalization in poor, immigrant areas. Radicalization of immigrants creates growth of support from "native" Europeans for dangerous political groups. There is just too much social and economic problems with mass immigration and defending it is extremely irresponsible.

            [–]mkvgtired 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            What about France and UK fuck ups?

            [–]United States of AmericaEccentric-Centrist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Weren't France and the UK primary participants in destabilizing Libya?

            [–]neon_blowtorch 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            And Jewish refugees were Hitler's fuck up. History tends to repeat itself but its important we learn from it. We are able to help these people and we should.

            [–]BootyWarrior420 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            But the Jews didn't commit crimes, well besides Palestine...

            [–]Lithuanialietuvis10LTU [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

            Take a look at stories back during interwar. You'll hear how the fleeing Jews were going to scam everyone, how they supposedly used Christian blood for cooking maxas escetra.

            [–]julian_remo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Jews were in Europe for centuries, and were secular. They contributed to the economy, art and sciences. In WWI many Jews on many fronts enlisted in order to prove their patriotism and their commitment towards assimilation. Muslims on the other hand are a met drain, especially MENA ones.

            [–]iponi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            France would like a word.

            [–]User019283 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I'm with you on that.

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              [–]Timberwolf_88 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              In order to risk deportation the crime must be of such a nature that at least 1 year in prison is a possible punishment accordingly to Swedish law. In Sweden certain crimes have both a minimum and a maximum penalty preset.

              [–]United Kingdomblackjacksandhookers 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (22子コメント)

              I think the influx of unaccompanied Afghan and Moroccan migrants has been the most negative part of the refugee surge Sweden faced over the last 2-3 years. These thousands of undocumented, unemployed single males struggling with drug addiction and poverty have caused disproportionate problems. And their victims range from Swedish girls at concerts to, as in the OP's link, the migrants themselves.

              [–]fatzkatz 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (17子コメント)

              At least in Austria the very large majority of victims of refugee crime are refugees themselves. (Not that that makes the crimes any more OK...)

              [–]Polandharakem 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Moroccan refugees

              How is this even allowed? I vacationed in Marrakech two years ago and their country is fine.

              [–]SwedenSvampnils 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              It isnt. Many unaccompanied teens from Morrocco lives here illegaly. Some are roaming around in Stockholm for example, causing unrest in different ways. The Swedish government is trying to (or have reached) an agreement with Morocco to accept them back into the country, but they resist ofc.

              [–]Swedenlebron181 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              EU needs to put pressure on Morocco, otherwise what's the point in EU?

              [–]The Netherlandsjimba22 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (56子コメント)

              The unaccompanied, asylum-seeking minors had been sentenced to youth custody of up to 15 months for dragging another Afghan boy into a forest in October, threatening him with a knife and raping him.

              Really, 15 months for rape?

              I'm glad this court overturned the lower courts ruling

              Break the rules? Back you go!

              [–]Wewkz 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (55子コメント)

              15 months for rape when you are young is a harsh sentence in Sweden.

              In 2015, an 18 year old got 22 days of community service for raping a 12 year old girl.

              [–]Swedenkaptenhefty 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Source please, even if it could be true there must be something behind this.

              [–]Portugalreticulated_splines 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Was it this one?

              [–]CroatiaTodalooo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Hes t_d poster what did you expect?

              [–]Wewkz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              check out my answer to the guy above you.

              [–]YurpJCutter 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Any sources? Rape as in what the rest of the world understand to be rape or Swedish very wide definition of rape (e.g he smacked her on the ass or something)? Because if thats an actual rape then that is beyond fucked up.

              [–]GreeceMithrantir 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Sadly similar cases have happened in Greece too more than once. And we are talking about the strict definition of rape. It really doesn't helps the immigrants as a whole, when this kind of news come out.

              [–]YurpJCutter 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              The rape itself is terrible news for them, the weak slap on the wrist, I can't imagine how that would make me feel if that happened to a loved one or someone i knew.

              [–]Wewkz 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I cannot find any reports of it in English from regular media so you will have to do with a far right-alternative.

              http://www.friatider.se/muhameds-comment-while-raping-twelve-year-old-ida-black-dck-expensive-gets-away-22-days-community

              Here it is in Swedish on our Swedish public service television company.

              http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasternorrland/valdtog-12-arig-flicka-2

              [–]EuropeJanDis42 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              tl;dr of the Swedish article:

              Yep, full on rape. Combined with forced oral Sex and physical violence.

              The boy claimed that they were together and that the girl claimed to be 16. The court did not believe that and sentenced him.

              Edit: Btw both are swedes and not immigrants, if anyone thought otherwise

              [–]EnglandIrishLuigi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Btw both are swedes and not immigrants, if anyone thought other

              One isn't a native Swede, though.

              [–]Franceiscreamcoke 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              We often talk about the too conservative countries (hello Poland), but not enough about the too liberal countries

              [–]Todie 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              What? Have you seen the comments in this thread? The comments in any thread like it on reddit? Its the same every time - lots of critical voices toward the "too liberal" sweden. (IMO most voices are very shallow / missinformed and circlejerky, but still)

              [–]Hesse (Germany)piersimlaplace 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I am very glad you said that. You made my day. Really.

              Some People Need to understand, that too much liberalism makes too much conservatism. Not only in global scale, but kids like Brevik. I cannot really see him doing things, if there was some kind of balance.

              Look at this this way. There was a thread about politician from Austria, bitching about Poland not wanting to get any refugees- can you really blame Polish for that? Heh, nobody wants a tumer. So, the dicussion, Hungary, Poland should be expelled from EU, no EU founds blah blah blah. Not to mention, that EU is not about that and it has nothing to do really about EU economy and money flow, but imagine, what would be if instead of "Hungary, Poland, take refugees. Now" something like "Guys, we need your help to get them out of Europe, ASAP" - now, I cannot really see them refusing.

              If you look at comments here, there are many People form liberal countries here, who want that as well, not to reduce their population and reduce rape frequency by 50%, they want 0% or 1%, for heaven's sakes.

              And, also, I think we can take some refugees, all of us, to our campacities. But... they are very, very limited. For example, in Poland there is not much, since there are many Ukrainians already. It makes sense to help, yeah, but if you have the possibilities to. I can make a part for 5, maybe 10 People at my house, but if 200 drunks come over my house, I am not sure what I am going to do the next day. I guess 5 litres of gasoline will only solve the problem.

              [–]Mazovia (Poland)SlyScorpion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Hi,

              It's our government that's conservative. People are actually rather liberal in the big cities of Poland.

              [–]buckingbronco1 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Sweden seems to have its head up its ass trying to reform people who knowingly and willingly commit malicious violent acts that it forgets that the victims have to live with the terror of knowing that their attackers got an extended tour of prison for their heinous crimes.

              [–]Todie 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Sweden has been accepting assylum seekers in accordance with international law. (As it turned out, a lot of them, because many other countries have been actively unwelcoming. But thats another topic)

              ... now, swedish law applies to them, there arnt sepparate laws for different people. That would be apartheid. The judiciary system does adapt to changing circumstances, but not quickly, and not based on personal opinions or political decisions, but primarily on judiciary precedence.

              [–]Swedenoprex 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              He was 17 when he committed the crime..

              [–]Mazovia (Poland)SlyScorpion 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Do an adult crime, serve adult time. Seriously, 17 is damned old enough to know what the hell one is doing.

              [–]Swedenperkutalle 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Oh kay then it's fine

              [–]United Kingdomdemostravius [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

              He isn't saying it's fine, he is saying he was tried as a junior.

              [–]SerbiaJurgen44 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              That'll teach 'em.

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                [–]RichardHeart 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                How many weeks till they can come back with new identities? Perhaps they'll "be" a few years younger next time around.

                [–]SwitzerlandPfluftl 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                There's a Europe-wide fingerprint database all refugees have to register in, so I doubt it.

                [–]RichardHeart 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3593895.stm "Sweden refugees mutilate fingers" and it's only if your 14 or older (which they often claim to be younger than) https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/Private-individuals/Protection-and-asylum-in-Sweden/Children-seeking-asylum/With-parent-/Application-for-asylum/Fingerprints.html This 14+ rule is for unaccompanied as well: https://www.migrationsverket.se/download/18.5e83388f141c129ba631364b/1485556231529/safungerardetensam_en.pdf

                How old would you say you were, if being too old meant you were sent to Afghanistan instead of Sweden?

                I predict X-ray / teeth comments.

                [–]United Kingdomthinktwink69 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Or just not let in anyone from Africa or Asia?

                [–]RichardHeart 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Meritocracies seem nice.

                [–]ScotlandGnostifox 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Toodle-oo ya fuckin' rapey ingrates.

                [–]SwedenSnowstrider 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Finally someone gets deported like they deserve. If you Come here and commit crimes you have nothing to do here

                [–]sagerusta 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I really wouldn't count on it, it's not like they can't appeal on the decision or just come back with another persona. I mean, they raped children, I really don't see them honoring rule of law. Fingerprint database? Well they can just have accident if their motivation is great enough.

                [–]YUROPbandwag0n 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Then you just need biometric IDs for the refugees which include not only fingerprints but iris scan and a photo for facial recognition. Good luck trying to mutilate your fingers, face and replace your eyes. And of course better border control at the external European border.

                [–]BelgiumMillenniumbug 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                These fuckers aren't going anywhere. Next step will be an visit to the ECHR which will overturn the expulsion. Refugees/migrants know our laws better than we do

                [–]United Kingdomthinktwink69 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Laws are not written by God we can change them, the entire refugee convention should be done away with, it was written when there were only 250 million Africans now the African population is over a billion and will be well over 4 billion by 2100.

                [–]VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVE ISLAMIC COMMUNISMDoldenberg 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                Refugees/migrants know our laws better than we do

                Which is really embarassing for Europeans, to be honest.

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                  [–]Franceiscreamcoke 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                  The Uppsala District Court had ruled in December that the teens couldn’t be expelled because they are under 18 and because of the security situation in Afghanistan.

                  This is the perfect example of putting foreign people before your own people

                  [–]SwedenROBANN_88 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  should be expelled from the country.

                  yeah, right. i'll belive that when i see them get on the plane.
                  don't forget that 3/4 people sentenced to expulsion get released in Sweden

                  [–]throwawayssss1111sss 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  "This is fine"

                                  —house on fire dog.

                  [–]SolitudeInTurmoil 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Good

                  [–]PostIslam 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                  I am going to come out and say it... Do you think if the victim was a Swedish boy what would the court have ruled. Rape of swedish girl live of fb, what will happen to those?

                  Some time, we can't just handle tough questions..We fight back

                  [–]Swedenkaptenhefty 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                  So you are one of those that actually think that the juridical system in sweden would give a lesser sentence if the victim was white/swedish ?

                  Commes the fuck on

                  [–]EnglandIrishLuigi 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                  As posted elsewhere in this thread,

                  In 2015, an 18 year old got 22 days of community service for raping a 12 year old girl.

                  [–]Swedenoprex 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  And if you would have researched he was 17 when he committed the crime which means he was judged as a minor... If he was 18 he would be in jail.

                  [–]Kidkidkid12 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Oh he was 17, so I guess 22 days are enough for rape at the age. Im sure he learned his lesson /s

                  Quote from the article:

                  "But Muhamed did not give Ida any pictures. After having lured her to his home, he simply raped her. The ruling from the district court states that he repeatedly punched her in the face and held his hand over her mouth during the rape. According to the court he also kept repeating the words "black d*ck is expensive" over and over while raping the girl."

                  [–]United States of AmericaEccentric-Centrist 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  He deserves decades in jail either way. 17, 18, it doesn't matter. Using an arbitrary number to let a child rapist free?

                  I mean for fucks sake, age of consent is 15 in your nation, but a 17 year old commiting rape can't be held responsible?

                  Nah, fuck that.

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                      [–]Connachtyammon 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                      If you'd seen the photos, they are clearly men pretending to be teens. I hightly doubt they will be deported. If they are, they will just waltz right back in again because of weak borders.

                      [–]User019283 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      weak borders.

                      I must correct you: no borders.

                      [–]bbog [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      You know this already, but you're just being a cunt.

                      Still, I'll write it here in case you don't know.

                      There are no internal borders within Schengen area of the EU. External borders with non-EU countries still exist.

                      [–]EuropeShedcape [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                      I guess checking everyone's passports upon entry constitutes a weak border nowadays. It's really darn inconvenient when returning back from Kastrup as well. What should we do, build a fence towards Denmark? A wall perhaps?

                      [–]CroatiaTodalooo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      I must correct you: there are borders but they aren't trying to stop them

                      [–]SomaliaIblis_Is_My_Friend 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      where did you see their pictures?

                      [–]GermanyXifji 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (22子コメント)

                      ITT: I haven't been in Sweden in the last x years but let me tell you how awful it is.

                      [–]United Kingdom2a95 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (21子コメント)

                      Sweden could deport all refugees tomorrow and people on reddit would be like 'Oh but they won't actually go they'll just go to the ECHR/go straight back because there are no borders' blah blah blah.

                      You can't win with these people. They want to see the worst in everythting.

                      [–]SerbiaJurgen44 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (20子コメント)

                      It's called realism.

                      [–]United Kingdom2a95 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (18子コメント)

                      I call it cynicism. Some people revel in it.

                      [–]SerbiaJurgen44 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (17子コメント)

                      Do you really think that immigrants don't just go back to the ECHR? Do you think that Sweden made a good choice by letting all these immigrants into their country? You can't just cover your eyes and pretend that these issues don't exist.

                      [–]VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVE ISLAMIC COMMUNISMDoldenberg -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                      Do you think that Sweden made a good choice by letting all these immigrants into their country?

                      I actually do.

                      [–]SerbiaJurgen44 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                      What benefit do they serve to society?

                      [–]VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVE ISLAMIC COMMUNISMDoldenberg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                      I don't know, it's a strange question. What benefit do you or me serve to society?

                      [–]SerbiaJurgen44 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                      Taxes. Providing essential services or products. Nothing influential really.

                      [–]SwedenEff5850528 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      We didn't take them in to benefit us, we took them in because they were refugees and needed help.

                      Just like we have taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees before the latest wave.

                      Just like we took in Danish Jews during WW2. It's not a new thing.

                      Of course you could argue how much help they really needed, but that's another discussion.

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                        [–]ItalyStoicismus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        so how come this realism comes from people that couldn't even point sweden on the map if asked?

                        [–]Bulgaria100100145 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                        Why are there even asylum-seekers from Afghanistan? Is Ashraf Ghani that evil? Are there major population centers in the country that aren't under his control?

                        [–]VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVE ISLAMIC COMMUNISMDoldenberg 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                        Why are there even asylum-seekers from Afghanistan?

                        Why are there European troops in Afghanistan?

                        [–]Bulgaria100100145 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                        Right now? Because the Afghani army needs training and equipment. It's a dangerous world out there, especially for governments that were founded less than 20 years ago.

                        [–]ButtMayBee [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                        • Why are there even asylum-seekers from Afghanistan?

                        • It's a dangerous world out there

                        There you got the answer you were looking for

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                          [–]CaptainVallo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          To help them build a stable government.

                          [–]Germanymoakim 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          People are still running from Taliban. There are secure but also dangerous zones. I think, the Afghan government should be able to provide the necessary shelters themselves, but obviously they can't stop the people from leaving the country.

                          [–]Rich Greekfrequenttimetraveler 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Back to their natural habitat.

                          [–]IRLANDE DOUZE POINTSItsTyrrellYo 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                          I find myself more and more in favour of capital punishment

                          [–]Transylvaniafifthflag 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                          For the migrants who rape or for rapists? And what do you do if in some years you find out the girl/guy was not a rapist and you killed an innocent?

                          [–]VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVE ISLAMIC COMMUNISMDoldenberg 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                          Nobody here cares, they just want to see blood.

                          [–]Kidkidkid12 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          After reading this, i wont care if he dies

                          "On November 10 last year the 18-year-old Somali immigrant, Muhamed, lured 12-year-old Ida to his home in the city of Sundsvall, central Sweden. Muhamed had claimed to be in possession of intimate pictures of the young child and promised he would give them back – if she followed him to his apartment."

                          [–]VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVE ISLAMIC COMMUNISMDoldenberg 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                          After reading this, i wont care if he dies

                          I guess some people are just fine with being total assholes.

                          [–]Kidkidkid12 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          Im the asshole? Ok read this and call me an asshole again

                          From the article:

                          "But Muhamed did not give Ida any pictures. After having lured her to his home, he simply raped her. The ruling from the district court states that he repeatedly punched her in the face and held his hand over her mouth during the rape. According to the court he also kept repeating the words "black d*ck is expensive" over and over while raping the girl"

                          [–]VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVE ISLAMIC COMMUNISMDoldenberg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          Ok read this and call me an asshole again

                          Still an asshole dude. With the whole insistence on not being one, maybe even more so.

                          [–]Kidkidkid12 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          "According to the court he also kept repeating the words "black d*ck is expensive" over and over while raping the girl""

                          [–]VOTE FOR CONSERVATIVE ISLAMIC COMMUNISMDoldenberg 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          Oh, okay, ah, yes, now, I see. I'm sorry. Paragon of Virtue here.

                          ...

                          Ha, no, joking. Still an asshole. But it's funny how you assume that I only think so because you haven't posted enough quotes yet.

                          [–]Yosiema 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          You're disgrace. Tfu.

                          [–]Kinnasty 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          You care more for your own virtue signaling than the fate of this young girl

                          [–]ferrogaro 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Sweden seems pretty awesome country, rape children, get paid for it - get deported for short while and you can just re-enter under another persona and continue doing your hobby, lmao. And Swedes must enjoy getting to pay for it all, haha. Must be fun place to raise your kid in 50 years when there's at least double the immigrant population and quarter less of ethnic Swedes due to birth rates.

                          [–]NEDERLAND GROOT_The_Pi_ 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          GET THESE PEOPLE THE FUCK OUT OF EUROPE YOU IDIOTIC PIECES OF SHIT. For fuck's sake. What the actual fuck is wrong with our policy? This is pissing me the fuck off and I'm not even alt-right, Europe-hating scum.

                          [–]keklord91 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                          They should be executed.

                          [–]PortugalSperrel 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Nothing says more love for "european values" than going for Taliban justice.

                          [–]Swedenbiffsteken 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                          Could you explain why they should be executed?

                          [–]Gothmog26 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          Prisons are expensive.

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                            [–]ZackTheJester25 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I didn't even know about this and Im living in Sweden. Wow. I'm seriously getting my news sources from Reddit. What have I've become?

                            [–]Swedenjankhatare 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Fake news. We've been through this reddit. There are no integration problems in Sweden. Getting tired of saying this.

                            [–]Redditorsarecringy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Hopefully the ECHR and the human rights crooks won't stop this.

                            [–]🌹 Transylvanian Girl 🌹verylateish 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Life imprisonment is way too small of a punishment for rape!

                            E: I'm biased since I was almost a victim.

                            [–]Romaniadvenom999 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

                            The fact that such a headline is news shows how fucked Sweden is with it's treatment of refugees who break the law.

                            [–]GibraltarianTheWeekdn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            I have no words

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