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[–]Australiachubbyurma 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (3子コメント)

James Sutherland says Smith is innocent.

Steve Smith is from Illawong/Menai (which is in Sutherland).

Coincidence?????

Yeah probably.

[–]UAE Cricket BoardFoothill_r34 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I did not know Smith was a Shireling

[–]AustraliaLordWalderFrey1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To be fair Illawong and Menai is the least "Shirey" of the Shire.

[–]Australiachubbyurma 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

With Cronulla being the most Shirey?

[–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (40子コメント)

Well, someone is going to look like an idiot one way or the other..

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    [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (38子コメント)

    No doubt, but either Sutherland and Smith or Kohli will have egg on their face depending on this outcome.

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      [–]AustraliaMisterMarcus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      Lehmann is simply being diplomatic, playing a straight bat.

      To come out publicly and say something like 'Kohli is a lying little shit' would only turn the issue into an even bigger circus.

      [–]AustraliaEskimoJesus 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      SA did do a great job of showing everyone how not to do PR on unsporting behaviour on the field. That's what they get for spending to much time focusing on being good at cricket.

      [–]IndiaSuggsRs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      To be fair though, Australia's done better than SA in India. And somehow Australia actually got worse pitches.

      [–]rollebullah 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      If you go by the looks of it, the Aussies have more to lose if there is some kind of an enquiry or investigation, the Indians definitely have a better case, no wonder Lehmann said this. I would hate it if there was some disciplinary action against Smith or the team but just the fact that theyre rattled gives some sort of an advantage to India.

      [–]AustraliaGoonred 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

      Which is exactly why the lehman isn't lying. Too much to lose if he's lying.

      [–]Board of Control for Cricket in IndiaR_TTER 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      He isn't lying till he's caught red handed, just like the Anderson/Jadeja case. Therefore my suspicion is that there'd be an understanding between the boards, like the other poster stated, & this will be pushed under the rug. Unless BCCI.TV releases footage, from all the cams operating at the time Kohli was batting, there's be no conclusive evidence to prove VK's allegations.

      In other words, the only way to know whether Kohli lied (or not) is to get (all) videos of the time he was at the crease, failing which we should interrogate the Australian cricketers. None seem like remotely plausible atm, certainly wrt BCCI releasing footage that (dis)prove Kohli's claims.

      [–]AustraliaGoonred 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Whatever happened to burden of proof?

      [–]adengappa11paer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's more of a case of too hard to prove unless you put all of them under through investigation with polygraph 'nd all.

      [–]UAE Cricket BoardFoothill_r34 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      They're easy to pass, just clench your ass cheeks when you tell the truth and tell lies normally, and you'll be fine. There's a reason polygraphs are inadmissible in court, it's because they're bullshit

      [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      That's just how Lehman talks though, Clarke picked up on his mannerisms too. They never commit to anything.

      But yeah, we will have to wait until it all comes out in the wash.

      This is like a hand in poker and all of a sudden the two chip leaders have gone all in. Someone is walking home.

      [–]Cricket AustraliaAweios 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      The whole Aussie setup also moved on from Faf's shenanigans back then as well.

      CA's seems to have turned into the stereotypical Facebook girl that hates drama yet always seems to end up in the middle of it.

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            [–]2nd Best Commenter 2016dessy_22 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (12子コメント)

            No problems

            Link

            That was some months before the Harbajhan incident.

            [–]Chennai Super Kingsrunrage 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (10子コメント)

            Ah this again, the go to link for Aussie complainers. That's a one off crowd incident. Aussie crowds do it till today - Bay 13 of the MCG.

            Citation still needed for the allegation that Harbhajan was a racist.

            [–]Victoria BushrangersAzza_ 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

            Aussie crowds do it till today - Bay 13 of the MCG.

            Citation needed.

            [–]Chennai Super Kingsrunrage 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Sports a Victorian flag, claims ignorance of Bay 13.

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              [–]Chennai Super Kingsrunrage 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Wonder how their judicial system works.

              [–]2nd Best Commenter 2016dessy_22 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              That's a one off crowd incident.

              Or you could read the link and see that it wasn't a one off.

              As far as Harb is concerned, I don't particularly care, When all that blew up most here actually thought it was action being finally taken about the crowds rather than just the one guy.

              [–]Chennai Super Kingsrunrage 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              So, no citation then? Thought so.

              [–]Eastern_citizen 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Here it is:

              On 28 January, after the appeal hearing at Adelaide by ICC appeals commissioner Judge John Hansen, the racism charge on Harbhajan Singh was found to be "not proved". Harbhajan's three-Test ban was therefore lifted. However, the lesser charge (Level 2.8 offense) of using abusive language was applied and Harbhajan was fined 50% of his match fee.[64]

              Hansen ruled a lack of sufficient evidence.[65] He was particularly perturbed by the fact the altercation stemmed from Symonds reacting angrily to Harbhajan patting Lee on the backside in recognition of a good delivery.[66] Symonds' inability to conclusively say whether Harbhajan Singh had used the word monkey or a Hindi abuse, and his admission that the language did not fall under the requirements of a level 3.3 offence played a crucial part. Symonds was unable to state if he had heard Harbhajan use a term in his native tongue "teri maa ki" (an offensive Hindi term) which appears to be pronounced with an "n" and accepted that it was a possibility.

              Michael Clarke's account was critical, considering that it did not coincide favourably with the rest of the Australians.

              It is not without significance that the Australian players maintain other than Mr Symonds that they did not hear any other words spoken, only the ones that are said to be of significance to this hearing. This is a little surprising in the context where there was a reasonably prolonged heated exchange. Indeed Mr Clarke went so far as to say that he did not hear Mr Symonds say anything. Given Mr Symonds' own acceptance that he initiated the exchange and was abusive towards Mr Singh, that is surprising. This failure to identify any other words could be because some of what they were hearing was not in English.

              — John Hansen[65]

              Of Symonds' provocation of Harbhajan, Hansen said

              If that is his view I hope it is not one shared by all international cricketers.

              — John Hansen[66]

              Unlike Mike Procter, who thought Tendulkar was not in a position to hear what was uttered, Hansen said "extensive video footage" establishes that Tendulkar "was within earshot and could have heard the words". According to Hansen, video replays from various camera angles showed that Tendulkar was the closest player to the conversation and was likely to have heard it. Tendulkar admitted words were spoken in both English and Hindi.[34] Hansen also rejected the suggestion that the BCCI and Cricket Australia reached an agreement which he simply rubber-stamped.

              It is incorrect to suggest that there was some sort of an agreement reached between Australian and Indian cricket authorities that I simply rubber-stamped, I also wish to add that while I was aware of the media furore surrounding this matter, no-one has attempted to apply direct pressure to obtain an outcome.

              — John Hansen[67] He was also critical of all parties involved in the confrontation in Sydney, saying "their actions do not reflect well on them or the game".

              International reaction

              We did not behave like cry babies and drag it to the officials ... They do it constantly and much more than anyone else, so how they can go out and complain about other teams, I don't know.

              — Wasim Akram, former Pakistani cricket player

              John Morrison, former New Zealand spin-bowler accused Australians of "running off to the teacher", while his former team-mate Dipak Patel, of Indian descent, said that he had been called "a lot worse than a monkey".

              "Millions of Indians want to know if it was a 'white man' taking the 'white man's' word against that of the 'brown man'. Quite simply if there was no audio evidence nor did the officials hear anything then the charge did not stand. This is what has incensed the millions of Indians who are flabbergasted that the word of one of the greatest players in the history of the game, Sachin Tendulkar, was not accepted. In effect, Tendulkar has been branded a liar by the match referee.

              The off spinner has denied having used the word which has caused offence and in the absence of any audio recording and most crucially with both umpires not having heard it, the charge should have been dropped straight away for lack of corroborating evidence. He wrote, "By accepting the word of the Australian players and not the Indian players, the match referee has exposed himself to the charge of taking a decision based not on facts, but on emotion."

              — Gavaskar

              Christopher Martin-Jenkins, chief cricket correspondent for The Times in the United Kingdom defended the "righteous indignation of India's players" and suggested that the BCCI's adamance to give the issue the necessary publicity has been better for the game. Martin-Jenkins also described Australia as the "nonpareils of world sledging"

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Test,_2007%E2%80%9308_Border%E2%80%93Gavaskar_Trophy

              [–]Chennai Super Kingsrunrage 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              None of which proves anything against Harbhajan.

              [–]Eastern_citizen 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Yeah, it doesn't.

              Sorry for the misunderstanding, my comment is actually directed at those ignorant fools in this sub who wrongly keep accusing Harbhajan of being a racist even though the ICC appeals commissioner himself said the charge wasn't proved and that Symonds himself accepted that there was a possibility of Harbhajan using the Hindi swear word.

              [–]Tasmania TigersNoUseForALagwagon 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Look at who stepped in when shit hit the fan. Kohli, Pujara and Rahane. Pujara and Rahane are two of the quietest and laid back players on the team and they were jumping in. That is a GIANT red flag to me, and tells me this was not just a heat of the moment thing.

              Either way though, this whole series/storyline is epic and Vince McMahon himself could not have made it more dramatic. All we need now is a disgruntled player or ex-player like Maddog, Nevill or Gorgeous George to leak info about the Aussies or Kohli and Smith to collide when one is running between the wickets and end with a runout.

              [–]AustraliaEskimoJesus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Another explanation about why Pujara and Rahane where so upset could be the same reason so many people here are going off. Kohli told them it was happening when it wasn't. But the chances of: Kohli coming to the belief they were checking upstairs when they weren't, telling other players on the team and match officials it was happening and then it ACTUALLY happening when Smith gets out, the coincidence would be astronomically unlikely. The only thing that could explain Kohli being delusional and thinking this DRS checking is occurring when it isn't would be based on how bad he is with his reviews, he loses them early in an innings when he 100% thinks he's got one right and, oh, wrong again. Could you convince yourself someone was looking up at the change room before suggesting something to Smith or that Smith is looking at the dressing room? It could be the reason why you suck at it and they seem to get it right a lot more.

              Probably slighthly unlikely but this would make a pretty good story arc involving a mad cricket captain. Would someone that's mad still be a heel?

              [–]Board of Control for Cricket in IndiaR_TTER 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Maxi doing a KP, nope never in a million years!

              [–]England_rickjames 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Well, this has all gone a bit mental eh?

              [–]adengappa11paer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              We just gave you ammo for Ashes banter eh!

              [–]AustraliaEskimoJesus 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              If an English bowler doesn't point to the dressing room of the Australians after getting one out LBW and say "should we ask them if you're out?", the Queen is going to get out her beheading sword.

              [–]Wingnut2125 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I can 100% see Broady doing this. And I will giggle with glee.

              [–]AustraliaEskimoJesus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Stokes would be the man for that moment I reckon.

              [–]Wingnut2125 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Probably, but I'd prefer he stay out of things like that, it means when he inevitably fucks up again you can't hold it against him.

              [–]2nd Best Commenter 2016dessy_22 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Sees a molehill. Claim there is a range of mountains.

              [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              For some people mole hills are mountains, depends on the size of the man.

              [–]Australiachubbyurma 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Sutherland confirmed garden gnome

              [–]Board of Control for Cricket in IndiaR_TTER -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Let's see if there's a regular pattern like this -

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afQvCaPd4t8

              [–]South AfricaUysVentura 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (96子コメント)

              Smith admitted it and there's video evidence - hardly outrageous.

              [–]jp255 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (95子コメント)

              He's obviously talking about Kohli's allegation that the Aussies were doing it repeatedly - of which there is no video evidence so far.

              [–]South AfricaUysVentura 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (93子コメント)

              Sure, but the fact that there is evidence of this happening at least once means that it's not an outrageous accusation and deserves proper and serious investigation.

              [–]Cricket Australiabohemian_wombat 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              Sure, but the fact that there is evidence of this happening at least once means that it's not an outrageous accusation and deserves proper and serious investigation.

              And you would hold the same position with the entire South African cricket team being investigated every game for ball tampering?

              I mean there is evidence of it happening repeatedly over an extended period of time, so there is no reason to consider them to be isolated incidents, more just the occasions they were caught.

              [–]South AfricaUysVentura 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (7子コメント)

              And you would hold the same position with the entire South African cricket team being investigated every game for ball tampering?

              Yes. I want all teams to follow the same rules, and I don't believe the protestations of innocence by teams that have already been caught out.

              [–]Cricket Australiabohemian_wombat 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              Yes. I want all teams to follow the same rules, and I don't believe the protestations of innocence by teams that have already been caught out.

              So you think of the entire South African team as cheats because of the ball tampering?

              [–]South AfricaUysVentura 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Sorry, I misread your post - didn't see that you'd said "every game".

              If, after Faf's incident, there'd been an accusation from the Australian team that this was a team-wide practise, then I'd certainly support a deeper investigation.

              [–]Cricket Australiabohemian_wombat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              There doesn't need to be accusations, they have been repeatedly found to be ball tampering.

              If you are willing to believe that the Australian team out right cheated based on a single event and the unsupported accusations from one player, what do you do in the face of three clear cases of ball tampering?

              Surely you would have to agree that by your standard, they are tainted beyond belief.

              [–]South AfricaUysVentura 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              If you are willing to believe that the Australian team out right cheated based on a single event and the unsupported accusations from one player, what do you do in the face of three clear cases of ball tampering?

              But that's not what I said, is it? I said there should be an investigation. The allegations are hardly unsupported - your captain owned up to his brainfade, and there's video evidence.

              As for SA, three times in four years is three times too many.

              Anyway, enough deflecting. Do you think there should be an investigation, or are you happy to go on the word of Smith who has already been caught out?

              [–]Cricket Australiabohemian_wombat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              I think that there should be an investigation into the accusations, and unless there is anything to support them, there should be an assessment of VKs comments by the match referee. I would expect footage already out and about, given that the time specified for the event is so small.

              But I think that it is ridiculous to claim that this is a repeated action based on one person's say so. Especially when that person is far from an impartial and level headed person.

              You don't take David Warner as telling God's truth on the ball tampering, you need actual video footage.

              [–]AustraliaZaphod48 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (83子コメント)

              While I don't think we should take any one person's word in this, I'll preface by assuming Sutherland is correct. Also there's only evidence of it happening once at the moment, not "at least once."

              Talking about the Smith incident for Kohli is one thing, and would be fine, all the parties have addressed that. Kohli saying it was bad, Smith saying it was a mistake, Handscomb also saying it was a mistake.

              To go further and say the whole team was doing it, if not true, is bad form and shouldn't be done, I would say you can't just go around accusing people of stuff they haven't done.

              [–]South AfricaUysVentura 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (82子コメント)

              Your starting point is to assume the Australian version. I'm not assuming anything - we've all seen the video, and I'm saying this deserves to be investigated properly.

              I would say you can't just go around accusing people of stuff they haven't done.

              At least 2 Australians have done this, so let's investigate before crying about the possibility of false accusations.

              [–]AustraliaZaphod48 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (72子コメント)

              Just pointing out that the "outrageous" part he's referring to is the accusation against the whole team.

              [–]South AfricaUysVentura 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (70子コメント)

              I get that. But some of the team (including the captain) have already been implicated, I don't think it's "outrageous" to suggest that there might be more.

              [–]Queensland Bullsdunce_confederacy 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (30子コメント)

              You rob a liquor store. The police, when charging you, say that you probably have been involved in every liquor store robbery for the last 5 years. I'd say that's pretty outrageous, without any evidence. Same principle here. If Kohli is correct, it shouldn't be that hard to prove - he wasn't out there for long and he said it happened twice while he was batting. Let's look at the footage for the 10 mins he was out there...

              [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              So what you're saying is Steve Smith robbed a liquor store?

              [–]Indiaa_random_individual 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I just hope that it wasn't for Foster's.

              [–]Australiadylang01 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Robbed a liquor store and only stole Vodka Cruisers.

              [–]IRONic__MAN 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              That's a horrible analogy. It's more like; you rob a liquor store, someone who was there when you robbed it claims to have seen you rob 2 other liquor stores and so the police investigate the claims.

              Unless you think Kohli has the power to punish the Aussie's himself? He's just explained what he's seen or thinks he's seen to the umpires.

              [–]Queensland Bullsdunce_confederacy 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              That guy who snitched has been to way too many liquor stores. Unreliable witness.

              [–]AustraliaGoonred 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              That's the same damn analogy. They don't have to be perfect, just the point across which is you shouldn't be judged on crimes that you did or did not do just cos you got caught for one that seems similar.

              [–]Royal Challengers BangaloreViratKolhi -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Make it 'the owner of the store'. Kohli and his team had something to lose if it continued.

              [–]Indiaimdungrowinup 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Not but if you rob a liquor store and are caught, the police could investigate you for the couple of other liquor store robbery in the area in past week.

              [–]Queensland Bullsdunce_confederacy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Except there's no evidence of other liquor store robberies.

              [–]Board of Control for Cricket in IndiaR_TTER 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's hard to prove if it's very subtle, some other redditor mentioned things like blinking. You also have to look at every (Aussie) player & virtually every angle panning on them, hardly 10 mins of footage.

              [–]clumplings2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

              say that you probably have been involved in every liquor store robbery for the last 5 years

              More like the locals are accusing that you are responsible for the recent liquor store robberies in the neighborhood. Do not make dishonest analogies.

              The umpires jumped in immediately because they were watching/looking for it. Atleast that tells that the Indians complained about it before.

              [–]Queensland Bullsdunce_confederacy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              Why would you believe the locals? They're all alcoholics - that's why they're always in the liquor store.

              [–]Australiadylang01 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (36子コメント)

              If there's no evidence, which there isn't, then it is outrageous to accuse the whole team of cheating.

              [–]South AfricaUysVentura 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (35子コメント)

              Is the captain admitting it and video evidence not enough to at least warrant further investigation into the rest of the team? Or we should just accept Smith's innocent brainfade excuse?

              [–]AustraliaCommander_Wario 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Definitely. Clarke, of all people, called a spade a spade.

              I'm not sure why some people are trying to obscure the situation.

              [–]Australiadylang01 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (33子コメント)

              I want this to be investigated because I honestly believe there's no substance to the accusations and the investigation will prove Smith and Australia innocent.

              I find it ridiculous that there even needs to be an investigation though. Smith did something he shouldn't have done and was punished for it. That should be the end of it. But it's not because Virat decides to come out and accuse the entire Australian team of cheating, despite not producing any evidence of cheating.

              So because of that accusation there now has to be an investigation into the entire team and regardless of the outcome people are always going to point to this as evidence that Australia constantly cheat. Even if there's no evidence, the accusation is enough for some people.

              [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I think he's actually basing it on the specific claim that Virat made regarding it happening twice whilst he was at the crease. A much smaller sample size so easier to believe in my view

              [–]AustraliaZaphod48 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              To suggest, sure, not that outrageous, it was more than a suggestion though, he outright said it happened more.

              [–]Indiaimdungrowinup 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              If the captain wasn't involved directly, it wouldn't have looked so bad.

              [–]AustraliaAnothergen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              Your starting point is to assume the Australian version.

              No, they've made the point that "outrageous" is referring to the claims that Kohli has made afterward, which is exactly what Sutherland said. It is outrageous as well, and not the sort of thing you'd air in the media. You report it to the match referee, and when an investigation has been conducted, then it gets announced (e.g. the various South African ball tampering controversies).

              [–]South AfricaUysVentura 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (7子コメント)

              e.g. the various South African ball tampering controversies

              Ah right. You realise #mintgate was driven completely by Channel Nine, without any intervention by the on-field umpires or match referee. (The charge was laid after the game by the ICC).

              So please Australia, tell us more about how these things should be handled.

              [–]2nd Best Commenter 2016dessy_22 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Richardson brought it to the Match Referee's attention during the game. He more than Nein drove it.

              [–]AustraliaAnothergen 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Ah right. You realise #mintgate was driven completely by Channel Nine, without any intervention by the on-field umpires or match referee. (The charge was laid after the game by the ICC).

              I wasn't talking about mintgate, but you bring up a good point, it's not the kind of thing that should be a trial by TV. That said, Faf was convicted of that charge, and it was reported independently by the match referee.

              [–]South AfricaUysVentura 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              it's not the kind of thing that should be a trial by TV.

              But it was.

              The match referee was not involved. The charge was laid after the game by Dave Richardson.

              [–]2nd Best Commenter 2016dessy_22 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              While you are here can you answer this that I asked you yesterday?

              [–]Royal Challengers BangaloreViratKolhi -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              But he was convicted, so whatever happened before that doesn't count. - Aussie logic

              [–]Indiaimdungrowinup -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Does it really matter how many times they cheated?

              [–]Cricket AustraliaShadormy 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              That is a strong message. So either Kohli is lying or CA is.

              [–]Royal Challengers BangaloreViratKolhi 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Nothing strong about it. It looks like every defense statement almost every guilty person has made in the past. If they are indeed guilty we'll find out soon.

              [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              I highly doubt the CEO of CA would just double down on this if he was not sure. This is not someone who took the last donut, this is serious shit.

              If the CEO just doubled down for no reason then he is an idiot, and I highly doubt that is the case.

              That being said I am a North Melbourne fan and our head coach did this exact bloody thing this year. So nothing will surprise me anymore.

              [–]Flamey12 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Funny you should mention that. From memory Scott made that comment in a presser straight after the game. Citing the players as his source. The AFL issued a statement similar to CA's defending the umps integrity. NM retracted.

              I think we should not trust any player straight after a heated game.

              [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              It was an official that told Scott who misheard a player. Fucking idiots, all of them.

              [–]Flamey12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Chinese bloody whispers

              [–]Cricket AustraliaAweios 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Surely, they'd triple check the footage to make sure he's correct. This went from Smith, to Lehman to Sutherland. It'll be one mighty effort to be so stupid to deny something that is caught on camera.

              [–]Chennai Super Kingsrunrage 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Get caught with the smoking gun. Claim it was a toy pistol.

              [–]vijaydhinanathC 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Who is the idiot running BCCI nowadays?

              Hopefully he is not snoozing somewhere and has the balls to back VK. It would be very difficult for a future Indian captain to speak his mind if the board leaves VK hanging.

              [–]Dunkaegon 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              who is the idiot running BCCI these days?

              The Supreme Court of India.

              [–]silent_guy1 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Contempt of court notice is coming to OP.

              [–]vijaydhinanathC 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It is okay. Some 70 year old liberal arts teacher would be made responsible for enforcing it.

              [–]Kópavogur Cricket ClubhobabaObama 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              For the next match Indians should cover Aussie dressing room with Black glasses. It would be fun...

              [–]sept2209 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              The confusing part is that match referee staying silent. He should issue an official statement:

              1. Did Kohli complained about it earlier

              2. If he did, then what is going on

              I see only indirect quote in one Australian paper but no direct quote or nothing in any official media. Why the fuck are they sleeping on it

              [–]South AfricaHeadToToes 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Match referee has come out saying that Kohli still hasn't approached him about his incident.

              So maybe it's just what Kohli thinks has happened but doesn't have evidence apart from "my homeboi rahane saw smith looking at dressing room & I believe rahane" line of reasoning.

              Neither has umpires approached Match Ref to complain Smith/AUS is a repeat offender, it happened once & we all saw that Ump/Commentators/IND players all picked up the hints.

              Overall, after every appeal camera/umpires are all looking at skipper, keeper & bowler so if any shenanigans happened it will be caught in camera & would have been exposed.

              Overall, I think Kohli isn't lying but just "gossiping loudly" with media to play with Captain Smith's head. So far Smith is a thorn for IND with his batting & IND had to conjure a shitty bengalooru pitch to avoid him getting another hundred.

              Dhoni tried it against Jimmy pushing jaddu, even without evidence & we all know how it backfired.

              Kohli is probably trying same without evidence to get under Smith's bonnet & hopefully it backfires in a similar manner.

              Credits to AUS & team to play it straight.

              All we know is Smith & petey had a brainfade & looked at dressing room as a last hope. Got reprimanded by everyone & took it on chin in media too.

              Kohli is running his mouth with serious allegations but has no proof to back it or him still not going to authorities mean only one thing. He is counting on BCCI's clout to get him safe.

              [–]sept2209 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              No official comment from ICC yet. There is only an indirect quote about umpires not informed about this in Australian media. I will wait for official communication before jumping on the bandwagon to call anyone cheater

              [–]adengappa11paer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              Probably going through the videos and hoping the storm dies down. They've to look at 7 days worth of footage form all the 32 available cameras. Gonna take a while.

              [–]sept2209 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              He should have at least answered the first question then said " we are investigating". It's not his job to care about the storm

              [–]adengappa11paer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Isn't that a given?? The investigation part of this?

              [–]sept2209 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's his silence which bothers me

              [–]AustraliaAbhi_714 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Did Kohli talk to the umpires/match referee about this or not? If not, then he's lying through his teeth. If yes, then its too big a coincidence and the "brain fade" excuse goes out of the window. This will take literally 5 minutes to solve without going through all the footage.

              [–]adengappa11paer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              And we'll only find that out after investigation!

              [–]armball 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              "The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) after due deliberation and seeing the video replays of the episode steadfastly stands with the Indian Cricket Team and its Captain Mr. Virat Kohli."

              "Mr. Kohli’s action was supported by ICC Elite Panel Umpire Mr. Nigel Llong who rushed in to dissuade Mr. Steve Smith from taking recourse to inappropriate assistance." Ouch

              [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (28子コメント)

              Well this is interesting.

              Let's assume the accusations aren't true for a second, what happens to Virat?

              [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              Mitch Marsh is forced to play for India

              [–]Queensland Bullsdunce_confederacy 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Come on, that's too harsh. They haven't murdered anyone.

              [–]South AfricaUysVentura 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Can he not opt to be just banned, sacked, tarred and feathered rather?

              [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Is forced to face Dale Steyn just after he has watched his Mother have improper relations with another man.

              [–]Indiaa_random_individual 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              That's taking it too far.

              [–]2nd Best Commenter 2016dessy_22 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Could come under a code of conduct breach if the officials decided to go down that route.

              Personally, I hope they just say, 'stop fighting kids, get on with the game'.

              [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Just let the boys play

              [–]AustraliaEskimoJesus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Bring back the biff statements regarding misconduct during games.

              [–]Indiaphtark 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I'd hope at the very least a very very stern warning and a long chat on proper conduct as the captain of our cricket team. I'd hate for Indian players to randomly go and level grave accusations against others.

              [–]Australiadylang01 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

              If it's not true then I doubt Virat pulled it out of his arse. I assume he saw something to make him think they were checking with the dressing room. If that's the case then it's simply an error in judgement by him in taking this to the media without solid proof.

              If that is what has happened then the BCCI can just tell him not to do it again and we can all be done with this.

              [–]AustraliaAbhi_714 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

              Bullshit. You can't openly throws allegations like this in a press con and get away with it. Kohli basically called Smith and the Australian team a bunch of cheaters. If Australians don't pursue this then they are softcocks who don't deserve to represent the country.

              [–]Indiaa_random_individual 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              Kohli didn't call them "cheaters". He explicitly made that clear in the press conference when a reporter asked him.

              [–]boatswain1025 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

              lol come on now he knew exactly what he was implying when he made the comments.

              [–]Indiaa_random_individual 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              He explicitly said that he wasn't calling them cheaters. Have a look at the press conference.

              [–]AustraliaAbhi_714 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              That's called plausible deniability. If he's taking that route then he's a big coward. He has to own up to what he said.

              [–]Indiaa_random_individual 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              ? He said that he saw the Australian team doing that earlier as well on two more instances and said that he has informed the umpires earlier as well.

              That's it. What are you even on about?

              [–]AustraliaAbhi_714 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Oh come on. What did he mean when he said it falls into the bracket of a word he doesn't want to say out loud?

              [–]Indiaa_random_individual 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              We both know that the charges are about "cheating". Just saying that he didn't say it outright.

              [–]boatswain1025 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              You should be in the olympics for mental gymnastics. He accused them of doing it repeatedly and heavily insinuated that the Aussies cheated. When a reporter immediately asked for clarification and if he is calling them cheaters, he grinned and said 'those are your words, not mine'.

              [–]Indiaa_random_individual 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Man, we are fighting over semantics. We both know what the charges are about.

              I'm just saying that he didn't call them cheaters outright.

              [–]AustraliaMisterMarcus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              what happens to Virat?

              Nothing. He will just claim it was a misunderstood Punjabi slang word meaning "Steve Smith is a top bloke and I really think he's batting well".

              Case closed.

              [–]Indiaa_random_individual 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Australians still believe that Harbhajan said that "monkey" thing?

              [–]Indiaa_random_individual 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I doubt it'll lead to any actual ban. Can someone familiar with the actual rules give his two cents here?

              [–]India5upersub 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              Well, he can say he saw a fielder looking towards the dressing room when there was an appeal. There are limited cameras, they can't cover all possible angles. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

              [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              I don't think Virat would make something up so this could even be likely if Australia isn't actively cheating.

              [–]India5upersub 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              My point is that it's hard to prove that Virat might be lying.

              [–]punkjazz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Let's assume the accusations are true for a second, what happens to Smith and Cricket Australia?

              [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Harshest punishment in the scope of the ICC rules basically if it's systematic.

              [–]darkmoney99 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              What I fail to understand is why was Handscomb gesturing to Smith to look at the dressing room at the first place if this was a one-off incident? I mean why would anyone suddenly turn to the dressing room to ask for their decision if they didn't already know that there was someone who instructed them to do so in the case of a tight decision?

              I mean, I wouldn't suddenly go to a shop if I know that there are no products there, would I? Handscomb, as well as the rest of the Australians, did know that there was someone willing to help them out from the dressing room in such crucial DRS decisions and that is why they looked. It's just that they got caught this time.

              Just my two cents.

              [–]AustraliaAbhi_714 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You're speculating about something which is never going to be established one or way or the other. Tha easiest thing by far would be to ask the umpires and match referee if Kohli had already talked to them about this before the Smith incident. If yes, then Smith is lying, if no then Kolhi is lying. As simple as that.

              [–]New ZealandwatsonXI 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              works both ways, if it wasn't a one of why did they not do it when shaun Marsh went out to a poor call, why did Smith wait for Handscomb to tell him?

              [–]blacksnake03 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              And why so damn blatantly.

              [–]punkjazz 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You know what's outrageous ... looking towards the dressing room for DRS and then claiming it was an innocent "brain fade". That is outrageous.

              [–]Board of Control for Cricket in IndiaR_TTER 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I wonder if CA had a chat with BCCI, calling in that favor? I hope there's no repeat of the Anderson sage & we get real footage out in the open.

              It has to be said though that the defense Smith & Peter initially used was that they weren't aware of the rules, Smith also said - "I think" it's the only time this happened, which suggests to me that Virat was right all along.

              Of course the naysayers will want hard evidence but there's too many holes in the Australian defense already.

              [–]armball 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              How can he deny something which was recorded and pointed out on the field?

              [–]2nd Best Commenter 2016dessy_22 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              They aren't denying that single incident.

              [–]readingAddict777 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Let's report on Sutherland's statement "Straaalian" media style:

              Cricket Australia Chief has come out with a strong statement in an attempt to defend his team and players, Steve Smith in particular after he was caught cheating on Day 4 of the Bangalore test. Embattled Captain Steve Smith has already admitted to the blatant rule violation, while attempting to shift the responsibility to his team-mate who was at the non-striker's end at the time. He also attempted to justify his violation by claiming his brain was not functioning properly at the time. CA Chief Sutherland vehemently countered the implication in India Captain Virat Kohli's statement that the Australian team had been repeatedly violating the DRS rules during the test match. He attempted to defend his team and players as role models while not denying the fact that the team captain was caught by the umpires in a flagrant violation of ICC rules during the Bangalore test. It appears that at least for now, he is taking the word of his players that the cheating was strictly limited to this single incident and not an indication of a systemic violation of ICC rules. Its relevant to point out that even conceding the possibility of such a scenario would be exceedingly costly for Cricket Australia, since they would stand to be at the receiving end of massive penalties and censure from the ICC and the Cricket fraternity. His position is likely to change depending on how the ICC investigation into the Australian handling of DRS continues, and especially if any incriminating video evidence is found and released.

              [–]Zenrogulus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Looking up at the dressing room three times for DRS is outrageous...

              [–]AustraliaAbhi_714 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

              Either Kohli or Smith will come out of this with their credibility thoroughly destroyed. I would even go as far as to say that both of them can't continue to be captains after the dust settles. You can't just go on and lie about things like this while representing your country as a captain.

              [–]Indiaimdungrowinup 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Kohli is going to continue as the captain and so will Smith. Australians captains are not new to pushing the boundaries and Kohli is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

              [–]AustraliaAbhi_714 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I guess that's what will happen. But that's not what should happen.

              [–]adengappa11paer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

              Sorry to point this to ya but Smith's credibility is already destroyed. It's Kohli vs CA now.

              You can't just go on and lie about things like this while representing your country as a captain.

              How would it be a lie. Smith got caught. Handscomb said he was the one who suggested Smith to do it. Doesn't that mean Handscomb had tried to do this before? That's two already. (See, I can play with words too).

              [–]AustraliaAbhi_714 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

              You have comprehension issues. We're all talking about the allegation that this is a pre-planned well thought out event instead of a one-off incident which Smith has already apologized for.

              Handscomb said he was the one who suggested Smith to do it. Doesn't that mean Handscomb had tried to do this before?

              What? How you can jump to the conclusion mentioned in your second line from the premise set your first line I would never know. If jumping to conclusion was an olympic sport, your comment would be strong favorite for the Gold medal.

              [–]adengappa11paer -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              Trying to cheat in desperation is still cheating. From what we know so far, he did act in desperation and chose to cheat and that has pretty much dragged his reputation down the dirt.

              So, tell me why I shouldn't assume Handscomb hasn't done this before. You're assuming this is a one off, why shouldn't I assume this isn't??

              [–]New South Wales BluesJonvoightlebaron 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              To be honest mate it hasnt in australia really and thats all that really matters for smith.

              Australians dont really see pushing the rules in a sporting contest as that big a deal when they do it. No doubt an Australian will be along to say well actually im australian and i hate cheats but in general its not that big a deal here. On another forum i post at (with only australian posters) nobody cares. Its not even being talked about lol

              That's just the way it is

              [–]adengappa11paer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Ah, so similar to Bhajji, then. Just like Bhajji he's gonna have to cope a lotta cheat Sledges and shouts from crowds when he's playing away from home though. I'm pretty sure The English and Saffers are already drawing up their battle plans in advance.

              [–]AustraliaAbhi_714 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Dude what the fuck. You can't just assume stuff out of thin air. Assumptions should be backed up by logic and rationale. There's no reason for you to infer what you did from the data at hand.

              [–]adengappa11paer -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Well yeah true, but it isn't baseless though. Smith has been caught and Kohli says he has seen it twice.

              [–]blacksnake03 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              It was pretty damn blatant. If he had ever done this before you would have seen it. If anything, because it was so blatant it more likely means it was a once off and not a thought out strategy.

              [–]adengappa11paer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Not true. The cameras didn't capture it. Perhaps they got caught this time because they tried it whilst batting. Handscomb was under the helmet for most of the match and was fielding at forward short leg and silly point. The opposition batsman/team management might have seen something that the rest of us have missed. It's all ifs and could be for now.

              [–]avatharam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              You can't just go on and lie about things like this while representing your country as a captain.

              heh, when sledging was officially declared as the new banter, it quickly escalated to the point where racial and other stereotypes were used across the board by all teams.

              No one stepped down or was hounded out, media hustle notwithstanding.

              Fire In Babylon captures a bit of the racism and all the racist copping but no one paid a price other than broken faces of batsmen by West Indies bowlers

              [–]South Africathenoddingone 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              Are these allegations even serious, so yeh he looked at the box to try see if he should make a call to check if the Umpire was correct. There was no 'unfair' advantage given, he was just checking something specifically unfair had occured

              [–]blacksnake03 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              People consider it unfair because if he didn't look to the dressing room there is a chance he could waste a review.

              [–]South Africathenoddingone 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              So? DRS is about giving a method of redress for shitty umpire desicions. A wasted review is bad for all because it means less capacity to get the results closest to the true version of events. If you want true sportmanship this really isnt an issue

              [–]blacksnake03 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              It's usually Indians who are probably upset because of the disparity between success of drs calls between the two teams.

              [–]trtryt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

              Anyone know if Star are going through their video footage to verify this. Because the camera used when the ball delivered will not be able to capture it, you will need the footage from side on or behind the keeper to see if players are looking at the dressing room for guidance.

              [–]readingAddict777 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              Reminds me of the comments Inzamam and PCB made when they were penalized for ball tampering.