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Michael Clarke says Virat Kohli's allegations on DRS may have merit (theage.com.au)

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[–]readingAddict777[S] 170 ポイント171 ポイント  (31子コメント)

"My concern and my worry is that when you look at the footage of what happened with Steve Smith, Peter Handscomb ... actually suggests to Steve Smith to turn around and have a look at the support staff.

"If it is only a one-off, I don't think that would have happened.

"The fact that Peter Handscomb is even thinking about telling the Australian captain to turn around and look to the support staff, I've got my concerns."

[–]Melbourne Renegadescayal3 79 ポイント80 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Handscomb indicating the Dressing Room is the most telling part of it all.

[–]Royal Challengers Bangalorebnffn 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (9子コメント)

The other thing that adds even more credence to this theory are the reactions of Umpire Llong, Kohli, and Pujara. All three jumped onto the situation instantaneously and knew exactly what was happening. Obviously, it's possible that they just happened to notice it and processed everything very quickly. But their reactions suggest to me that they were already looking for this ahead of time. Kohli even mentioned this exact point in his post-game presser, and I felt it was quite convincing after reviewing the video.

[–]Indiaanpk 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm surprised that Pujara got involved, thats really unlike him.

[–]JetsFanInDenver 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Pujara has been out there in this match for a long time batting. If Kohli saw it happen twice in the short time he was out there batting than Pujara may have been sick and tired of seeing it for the long time he was at the crease.

[–]Cricket KenyaAimtoSucceed 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's quite funny lol

[–]Indiaimdungrowinup 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was also a very animated Rahane.

[–]geekgawd 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention that when Umpire Llong came in nodding, Smith knew exactly what he was pissed off about, and immediately walked off. That looked guilty as fuck.

[–]inspectorkido 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The fact Llong was immediately in Smith's face frantically waving his hands, tells me he was forewarned.

[–]Victoria BushrangersAzza_ 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Or that he's just a good umpire who knows the rules.

[–]DelTrotter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If true, begs the question how long the Aussies have been doing it for. The cliche statements from Sutherford and Lehmann reak of guilt, speaking bollocks about being role models and playing in the right way. Why didn't they just call it a stupid accident and leave it at that, instead of this huge defence of Smith's character. I think it made them look worse.

[–]inspectorkido 162 ポイント163 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Clarke is spot on. Do you think Handscomb who just made it into the test side, would be like hey skipper lets try looking in the dressing room. he's been directed to do that. The fact clarke is telling it like it is, just increased my respect for him immensely

[–]Indiaghanteshwar 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am very surprised to hear this from Clarke as well - good on him for saying it as is

[–]AustraliaTM431shredda 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Credit where credits due

[–]l1ll111lllll11111111 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I definitely agree it's pretty fishy, but to play devils advocate, Hanscomb might not have known you can't look at the dressing room. Domestic cricket doesn't have DRS does it? If you're young and inexperienced at anything you're going to want to ask your superiors for help.

That being said the fact that India had complained about it earlier and the umps jumped on it straight away suggests they've been doing it for a while. But on the other hand if you're knowingly breaking the rules surely you'd be more discrete about it.

[–]Board of Control for Cricket in Indiamotasticosaurus 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Hanscomb might not have known you can't look at the dressing room.

Even if that's the cae, Smitty should be going "Nah mate, can't do that in Test Cricket" immediately.

[–]Indiatardis_hum 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And that's where Smith says he had a brain fade.

[–]cric2bball 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That brain stay faded for 72 hours?

[–]West Indiesnew1sh_old1sh 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Handscomb is the real captain

[–]IndiaDance_Solo 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was me.. it was me all along.

[–]dogsnose 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

My respect for Clarke has increased. He probably won't get picked for the ch.9 commentary now though.

[–]Indiaroyalfreshness8 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Surely Ian healys lost respect for him now

[–]BangladeshXenoZodiac 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Out of the loop about Healy's respect. Care to enlighten me?

[–]New Zealandteese741 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ian Healy is the definition of one eyed biased cockhead of a commentator.

[–]sanbomgator 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The real brain fade from Steve Smith may have been forgetting to do this more subtly :P
While there may be merit to Kohli's claims I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions till there is incontrovertible evidence.

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    [–]Chennai Super Kingsvivek1086 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What?

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      [–]Indiaatred3 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Can you post the links please?

      [–]IndiaOne_more_username 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Kohli insta-reviews everything. If Kohli had the self control to wait as long as it takes to look at the dressing room and get advice, we'd save a lot of reviews even without cheating and getting advice from the dressing room.

      [–]Indiaanonbutler 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (11子コメント)

      I for one respect Clarke for stating his views regardless of the backlash and shitstorm it would cause.

      [–]Cricket Association of Nepalderajydac 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (9子コメント)

      One that that differentiates Clarke from the old boys club like Mark Taylor, Ian Healy, Matt Hayden, Brett Lee.

      Clarke probs doesnt care as he knows he isnt like in those circles anyway

      [–]Perth Scorchersfearofthesky 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (7子コメント)

      Yeah I have to concur, I'm impressed with him here. It's a shame his commentary is still trash.

      [–]Royal Challengers Bangaloregenti_watchman 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Actually, it's quite refreshing to listen to him when he sits with those BCCI stooges.

      [–]Indiaanonbutler 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

      We need to give him sometime. Most of these guys never practiced to be commentators and its a tough profession. I remember Ganguly being atrocious initially but then he gradually improved.

      [–]shaneson582 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      dravid was a natural right from the first match.. kinda miss him as a commentator as well.

      [–]Indiaanonbutler 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Dravid would have perfected it a million times, got professional coaching and take night classes on journalism. The dude is a perfectionist

      [–]Indiamani_tapori 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Should I be hopeful for Sanju Manju?

      [–]USAxzp99 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Its not that bad. He just dumbs down stuff. Atleast it's not blind or too homer stuff.

      [–]bak3n3ko 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Don't forget Slater.

      [–]Indiawhiplash_14 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      You mean someone saying, "get ready for a broken fucken arm mate" to him?

      [–]Rising Pune SupergiantsReturn-of_the-mack 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Steve Smith has thrown Petey under the bus a bit here hasn't he. Thats trash

      [–]Indiarockstar283 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Just like he threw Marsh under the bus about DRS fiasco

      [–]Tasmania TigersNoUseForALagwagon 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      Handscomb is the one that signals, and I would not be surprised if he picked up a match ban and they took away's Smith's entire match fee so the ICC can show they have zero tolerance for it.

      Funniest thing about it is that if that happens, MMarsh is almost guaranteed another test match!

      [–]inspectorkido 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Oooh then we can see if Maxwell bats above Wade

      [–]South Australia Redbacksdexter311 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Pretty sure you can't get a match ban without first being given an official warning, unless it's specifically mentioned in the rules that such acts would result in a match ban?

      [–]adengappa11paer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      This doesn't come across as something against the spirit of the game??

      [–]South Australia Redbacksdexter311 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      It's a grey area, because the "spirit of the game" rule is essentially there to cover anything that isn't specifically covered in the rulebook. There are already parts of the DRS rules that address this transgression, but the only punishment provided for in the rules is simply that the umpire can deny the request to review.

      In any outcome, this rule will no doubt be amended in the near future given the uproar this has produced.

      [–]Indiaanpk 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      If both get suspended then the middle order would be Khawaja, Mitch Marsh and Glen Maxwell. Pretty strong middle order IMO.

      [–]ICCcricketfan27488 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

      Alright guys, proof time. Started watching replay of day1 when Virat came to bat.

      Edit: Just saw both innings when Virat was batting. As the other user pointed out, there were really only two balls that there were appeals and in neither of them from the camera angles that were available to viewers it seemed like anyone looked up towards the dressing room.
      Frankly, neither of those appeals were that big so it was decided fairly easily by the fielders to not review.
      So either Virat saw one of the fielders not in the tv view looking towards the dressing room or he meant it happened when Aus were batting(which means he did not quite say it right in the PC).

      [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

      Please check the Nathan Lyon ball in at 33.1. That's a big one in the first innings where an appeal half happened.

      [–]ICCcricketfan27488 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Nothing there from the tv cameras. Updated my original post now.

      [–]dogsnose 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Good job on doing the work here. I wonder what Virat was referring to then? Maybe handscombe is the dedicated "dressing room checker" thus why when he was batting he regressed to his fielding role of looking to the sheds?

      [–]Kópavogur Cricket ClubhobabaObama 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Regardless of the outcome, kohli made sure that Aussies will not try this shit again in this series at least...

      [–]Indiafreshsalsadip 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      Wait Clarke makes sense?

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        [–]AustraliaSickchops 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        This isnt nessessarily true. When fielding they no doubt look up to the dressing room, to see if they made the right call, after a decision to review or not has passed. Its only one step further to look up before you decide to review or not, and its possible Smith and Handscomb did that instinctively because they are so use to doing that after deciding to review or not in the field.

        [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It is like in Tennis, 100% coaching happens for DRS. The issue is whether they are getting the information before reviewing

        [–]IndiaIndianSupporter12 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        One thing is certain, based on this proof by contradiction:

        1) Steve Smith is a god.

        2) A god cannot have a brain fade.

        3) Steve Smith had a brain fade.

        Contradiction

        The first premise is wrong to begin with. Thus, Steve Smith is not a god.

        Wrap it up boys, this is done and dusted.

        [–]Sydney Thunderkazcovic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        He had a brain fade to save us from our sins.

        [–]Victoria BushrangersAzza_ 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (26子コメント)

        If Kohli's claims are true why have we not seen any additional footage showing this practice to be occurring? Surely if the Indian media had something to confirm that it happened multiple times they'd be all over it?

        [–]IndiaShriman_Ripley 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Surely if the Indian media had something to confirm that it happened multiple times they'd be all over it?

        Do you really think Indian media has time to look at the actual footage and come up with instances of something like that happening. I would trust the Australian media or cricinfo to come up with the footage, if that exists, before Indian media comes up with something. They are just sensationalist, nothing else.

        [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        All they have to do is focus on Kohli's innings. It would talk 30 minutes if they had access to the footage.

        [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (23子コメント)

        100% this. Said it last night. Virat was only out on the field for 42 balls and there were only 2 appeals during that time. If there was anything to Virats claim that he had seen it happen twice when he was batting surely the media would have found it by now?

        I think people are treating is a foregone conclusion that Australia is systematically cheating when there's no match report from the match officials and no footage has come out at all to corroborate Kohli's claims.

        Edit: For clarity regarding the appeals.

        Virat only faced 42 balls this test match.

        First Innings:

        Half shout for a catch at over 33.1

        Over 33.4 he is out.

        No review taken.

        Second Innings:

        No review was taken by Australia during his tenure at the crease according to cricinfo.

        Over 28.5, an appeal from O'keefe happened, not given. Aussies could have looked up at this point.

        This was the only appeal during Kohli's second innings. No review was taken at all.

        So all in all, 2 Australian appeals during Kohli's time at the crease, and no Australian reviews.

        So ball 33.1 1st innings and over 28.5 in the second innings must have been when it happened if Virat isn't exaggerating

        [–]adengappa11paer 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        I wanna know what Virat meant when he said 'he' was batting. He as in just him or he as in the the Indian team? I wanna know this because Virat also said the Australian team have been doing this for the 'past 3 days' . Surely Virat didn't bat for 3 days.

        [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (7子コメント)

        He said "I saw that two times when I was batting out there"

        I think that's pretty explicit, and means he was referring to himself.

        [–]IndiaParanoid__Android 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Agree. There was no ambiguity about it. The only thing I was thinking was did he mean necessarily in this test or this series? In either case, it helps that all of his deliveries put together are less than 100. So someone should be able to compile all the reviews with multiple cameras.

        He was not being coy about the allegation, but very deliberate and methodical. He even repeated it goading someone to go and check for the cheating. He did not leave any room for ambiguity.

        Now someone needs to go and either prove Smith to be a cheat or Virat to be a liar. This is ugly and I don't like it one bit.

        [–]Cricket Australiashinkshank 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I mean, smith'a already proven to be a cheat.

        [–]IndiaSuggsRs -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        What you're saying isn't true at all. It means it happened while he was out there, could've been against him or Pujara. Your extrapolation is not valid.

        [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        I'm really sorry if I worded the above incorrectly.

        There were only 2 appeals against him or his partner that occurred whilst virat was batting

        That's just based on cricinfo commentary. You can verify it yourself too.

        [–]IndiaSuggsRs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Oops, you're right. I just checked Cricinfo and I actually only see one appeal. Anyway, my bad.

        [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        All good matey, I didn't exactly word it perfectly either.

        I genuinely don't think virat would lie about it so it's really interesting.

        [–]Sunrisers Hyderabadgoodguy1994 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Yeah but he grew up in north India, those cunts have a conspiracy theory for everything.

        [–]Hampshireharamroaded 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        They could have looked at the dressing room and decided not to use the review?

        [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        That's very possible on the appeals at 33.1 and 28.5 and that's what I'd be looking at if I had full match footage.

        I'm arguing that there's only a handful of incidents that could corroborate Virat's claims. So we should know soon hopefully.

        [–]witnessthis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        Well he could also have been on the non strikers end watching other appeals as well no??

        [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        I obviously haven't made this clear. Those two appeals were the only ones that occurred during his time at the crease. To either batsmen.

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          [–]Cricket Australiadp575 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Everything there makes sense.

          Shouldn't there be some video to observe from the prior incidents? I'm surprised there hasn't been any floating about yet.

          Or is that something that could be held back if they are investigating?

          [–]Cricket Australiapokemaniacaus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Kohli's claim was very specific and is exceedingly easy to verify.

          If there's precedent for holding things back then that might be an explanation because I'm just completely at loss to explain how Kohli can make such a explicit accusation, put a time frame to it and we still not have footage of the incidents in question. I can't see why Virat would lie about it?

          [–]Cricket Australiadp575 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yeah, that's where I'm at.

          Everything that happened on the pitch at the time of the incident seems to back up what he said except for the fact there is no footage of the prior incidents.

          If they are more subtle then it might not necessarily clear things up but I still expected to see them about by now

          [–]Queensland BullsItstigewhat 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (58子コメント)

          Would not be surprised if the ICC did something about it. That was up there with underarm as one of the worst things I've seen on field.

          [–]AustraliaAlaric4 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          The underarm was unsporting, but not illegal. This is both.

          If it happened like Smith said - on the spur of the moment - I don't think it's a huge deal. Although as I said in the live thread, I think there is a case that any team attempting to get help should not only be prevented from reviewing, but should lose a review. Because advice not to review is also helpful and should be punished.

          If it's proven that the Australians had a system in place - and it looks that way for the reasons suggested by Clarke - it is obviously more sinister, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were repercussions.

          [–]South AfricaSTOP_BEING_CANCEROUS 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          The thing is, how would he get help? I mean the guys in the dressing room who watch it on tv didn't see the full slow motion replay, as there is 15 (?) second time limit before review. How can they help him?

          [–]India5upersub 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Even if no slo-mo replays, dressing room is at advantage because live action on tv provides better vantage point than the wicketkeeper or a slip fielder.

          [–]justafleetingmoment 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The team analyst will have a DVR so can pause/replay and probably gets more feeds than just the one shown on TV.

          My question is: Why not allow it? Reviews are there to prevent howlers, if you can get information on whether to review inside the same 15/20 sec window, then more power to you. It's not going to change the outcome of the decision. Otherwise teams will just find other, less obvious, ways of relaying the information.

          [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I agree with the idea of losing reviewing rights. If we are found guilty we should lose our reviews for an appropriate amount of time.

          [–]AustraliaCanYouNotm8 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (12子コメント)

          Sorry, this is a bit irrelevant, genuine question. Why does everyone consider that underarm delivery to be so bad?

          [–]New Zealand Cricketthehairyjavelin 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          Because it eliminated any chance of New Zealand winning the game. There is a reason it's been outlawed ever since

          [–]AustraliaElm11 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The most shameful moment in our cricketing history. :(

          [–]Cricket Association of Nepalderajydac 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Plenty of things have been outlawed in the game vefore and bought back though.

          Mankad for example

          [–]New Zealand Cricketthehairyjavelin 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          A part of me thinks that the underarm will never be legalised again

          [–]Cricket Association of Nepalderajydac 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          100% agree

          [–]South Australia Redbacksdexter311 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Mainly because, even without the history, who the fuck wants to even watch a bowler bowl underarm...

          [–]ICCleftarmover 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Mankad was never outlawed

          [–]Cricket Australiathedoctorstig 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It was pretty damn poor sportsmanship

          [–]Indiafreshsalsadip 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          International Cricket is no place for these shenanigans

          [–]IndiaShriman_Ripley 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Why does everyone consider that underarm delivery to be so bad?

          I think it not being illegal at the time adds to it. Sure it isn't illegal but in the spirit of the game you were not supposed to do it. It was already illegal in some other competitions and hence everyone knew that it wasn't the right thing to do. Spirit vs law and cricket being gentleman's game and playing with a straight bat and all that kind of stuff.

          [–]sujayjaju 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Underarm deliveries don't bounce much - which makes it difficult to play / score off them.

          [–]Indiaboyohboyitsmytimeto 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I think it's because those who wrote the rules didn't think of this possibility. So what the Aussie captain did was use a loophole. It's kinda like how lawyers at times get their clients out of trouble using loopholes in the law. Sure, it's legal but it's legal only because no one had recognised the loophole to plug it on time. The underarm ball was like that. I can actually empathise with the Australian captain (it was one of the Chappel brothers I think). In the heat of the moment it would have seemed brilliant and he wasn't breaking any law anyway. I think the bottom line is that it's a loophole. The ICC made it illegal after that incident. I can think of two other incidents. That one time when Dennis Lillee used an aluminium bat and the other time when the Sri Lankans changed their captain midway through a T20 world cup to avoid the first captain getting a one match ban for slow over rates in 2 matches within the previous 6 months or something. The laws were changed to prevent those things from happening. I think the underarm was explosive cause not only was it a loophole but it also pretty much guaranteed that NZ can't win.

          [–]AustraliaMisterMarcus 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (21子コメント)

          According to the Australian media, referee Chris Broad says that Kohli hadn't spoken to the umpires about it before this incident. Apparently this incident was the first they'd heard about it.

          Match referee Chris Broad told News Corp after play that the only time umpires were aware of Australians looking up to the box during DRS was the Smith incident, effectively scuppering Kohli’s irate suggestion that he had previously made umpires aware.

          This of course directly contradicts Kohli's claims about 'systematic cheating' and 'telling the umpires and referee multiple times about it'.

          This just gets weirder and weirder...

          [–]sept2209 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You don't just look upto the dressing room until you have discussed it before. I am not sure if they have done it before like Kohli said but I am definitely sure that this was atleast discussed in the dressing room before. Why would both the batsmen look towards the dressing room? Is that a natural reaction before deciding for a review by both the batsmen?

          Wait a minute. I have yet to see any official comment from referee. One indirect quote from Australian media does not mean anything as of now

          [–]IndiaSuggsRs 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Your extrapolation of Chris Broads comments are incorrect as pointed out by other replies. Chris Broad said that this was the only time they saw the Australians do it. Chris Broad did not say that Kohli didn't bring it up with them. All this tells us is that the match referee has not yet seen the other times when the Australians have done it.

          [–]JetsFanInDenver 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Chris Broad told News Corp after play that the only time umpires were aware of Australians looking up to the box during DRS was the Smith incident

          That means this is the first time umpires caught the Australians red handed. Does not mean Kohli had not pre warned them about this happening.

          [–]Royal Challengers BangaloreViratKolhi 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Some news media is spinning this much more than what Ashwin did on the 4th day.

          [–]Royal Challengers Bangalorefakeplasticplant 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Australian media

          [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

          I don't know what to believe lol.

          [–]Cricket Australiainsty1 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          I'm inclined to believe the match officials.

          [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          There is some ambiguity in his comments, I will wait for the report.

          [–]AustraliaEskimoJesus 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Yeah, he is saying it is the only time the umpires saw it, essentially. Nothing about whether Kohli has mentioned it to them or the match referee.

          [–]Western Australia Warriorsyeahnahteambalance 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          That is how I read it, not sure why it was reported how it was.

          [–]AustraliaEskimoJesus 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          "TOP TEN MATCH REFEREE'S TO CONTRADICT KOHLI'S CLAIMS. NUMBER 5 WILL MAKE YOU GO WTF"

          [–]IndiaSuggsRs 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yes. but even the match officials statements aren't conclusive and are ambiguous. He did not directly say that Kohli hadn't talked to them about the issue. All he said is that he only saw Smith do it himself once.

          [–]DerKaiserTorte 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          "Australian media" lmfao

          [–]Australialaserframe 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (32子コメント)

          This is a valid point by Clarke but can I just give the counter point as to a possible explanation. Handscomb is new to the side, it's possible he is unaware of the rule. He is out there under extreme pressure, our best batsman and captain has just been given out LBW, it probably looked out to Handscomb but we have 1 review left and he probably would have been aware that Marsh made the incorrect call by not reviewing. He doesn't want to be the one to make the call at the risk of wasting the review on a plumb LBW or getting it wrong and Smith turns into another Marsh. He panics and looks for outside help.

          [–]adengappa11paer 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Yes, you make a good point but it still makes Kohli's narrative true. Handscomb not knowing the rules might have looked at the dressing room everytime there was an appeal and Kohli or Indian team management might have spotted it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

          [–]Australialaserframe 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I think it's either one or the other, because for Handscomb to be looking up at the dressing room earlier indicates that the dressing room is responding and that is must have been systematic. I guess it's possible that Handscomb and other rookies were looking up earlier but if they got a signal from the dressing room then they're fucked and the whole Australian team should be held over the coals.

          [–]AustraliaZaphod48 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Didn't Kohli say he noticed while he was batting though? Doesn't make the narrative true.

          [–]adengappa11paer 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Kohli also said 'for the past three days' . Dunno what he refers to as 'he' here. Indian team or himself? Pujara and Rahane were backing him I guess.

          [–]EnglandVulgarian 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          L'Etat, c'est moi.

          [–]AustraliaKissKiss999 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Yeah he said he reported it to the umpires which might explain why they reacted so quickly. Except the Match Referee has now said they weren't told about it. So unless there is further video evidence I have no idea what to believe

          [–]sept2209 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yeah he said he reported it to the umpires which might explain why they reacted so quickly. Except the Match Referee has now said they weren't told about it. So unless there is further video evidence I have no idea what to believe

          You are right, everything is just speculation as of now. However there is no official comment via any ICC channel from referee. One indirect quote in Australian telegraph means nothing

          [–]AustraliaZaphod48 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's easy to misinterpret things, happens all the time. I don't have all the facts either but just hypothetically, Kohli could have easy seen players asking for equipment or drinks and thought they were checking reviews.

          [–]South Australia Redbacksdexter311 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yes, you make a good point but it still makes Kohli's narrative true.

          It doesn't make it true, it makes it plausible.

          [–]readingAddict777[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (21子コメント)

          That maybe a plausible explanation, but it's also plausible that Handscomb forgot to be discreet about looking for cues from the pavilion in the pressure situation.

          Regardless, the captain can't use the ignorance card here. At best, he should be fined for his blatant mistake. And if there is conclusive evidence to prove what VK has alleged, then a suspension at a minimum, and not just the captain. The coach as well.

          [–]Australialaserframe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (20子コメント)

          If this turns out to be a once off then he won't be fined according the match referee because he was prevented from doing it

          [–]readingAddict777[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (18子コメント)

          Point is, he should be. Test match captain shouldn't be attempting to cheat and escape punishment just because he was caught and stopped from successfully cheating. Shouldn't be able to claim ignorance either.

          [–]Australialaserframe 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (17子コメント)

          Yeah I agree he should be fined but that would require a retrospective change of rules to do that. I think he should be suspended if the allegations are true and if they're not then I think Kohli should be.

          [–]readingAddict777[S] 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (16子コメント)

          Let's take this one step at a time. Under what existing regulation should VK be suspended, hypothetically if the allegations are not true?

          [–]Australialaserframe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (15子コメント)

          I would say it should be considered bringing the game into disrepute if it were true.

          [–]readingAddict777[S] 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (14子コメント)

          Ok, and why isn't getting caught redhanded while attempting to violate the DRS ruled by a test match captain, fall under the same category?. Why are you pleading lack of regulation in Smith's case, where there's nothing left to prove, except the possibility of an even bigger violation?

          Do you see the conflicting double standard there?

          [–]Australialaserframe 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (13子コメント)

          If this turns out to be systematic and the Aussies had benefited from it then I think it's the same deal, it's bringing the game into disrepute. But there are rules of the game for what Smith did and that is that he was denied the right to review, now if he didn't get caught and did review after getting direction from the dressing room then that is outside of the rules which would open him up to sanctions like bringing the game into disrepute. So if you think there is a double standard going on then it's only because there is a rule for this sole purpose of what Smith did but there aren't exact rules for what Kohli claims that I'm aware of.

          [–]readingAddict777[S] 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          So a knowing violation of a rule by Smith does not meet the standard for you re - "bringing the game into disrepute", even though he was caught while doing it, and there is no ambiguity.

          But VK answering a question at a press conference, given that there is one proven instance DRS violation (Smith), VK expressing his personal narrative that he saw other instances and reported his concerns to the umpires - as is proper - this somehow merits a suspension, even though there are no explicit rules regarding press conferences or allegations. Going strictly by how you approach the question of Smith's punishment, there is simply no basis for any action on VK - regardless whether his claims have merit or not.

          I hate that this turns into an Indians vs Australians thing. We are all cricket fans first , and what Smith did, is extremely unfortunate and bad for the game. You can't have teams and captains trying to knowingly cheat and then resort to legal defenses regarding whether the rules permit further punishment or not. And that's without even considering the possibility of a greater systematic effort at cheating.

          On top of that, Smith didn't even man up - he throws his junior teammate under the bus. And doesn't stop there - throws Marsh under the bus too for his non-review. Just an overall bad day for Steve Smith. And liable to get much worse, if the voracious Indian media manage to find further video evidence of dressing room signaling.

          [–]adengappa11paer 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          What if Smith was about to review it and if he had he would've lost the last review. Now that because he got caught, he couldn't review it and in the process Australia has benefitted in not losing the review. It can be interpreted this way aswell right? Can't this be cited as an advantage Australia had gained outta this?

          [–]South Australia Redbacksdexter311 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          What do you mean "prevented from doing it"? As in, denied by Nigel Llong the chance to review? Because that's exactly the "punishment" that is dealt out by the umpire, to the letter of the rules, when a batsman or fielding captain has been caught seeking outside help. He wasn't "prevented" from breaking the rules, he actually broke the rules, and the umpire intervened because of it.

          [–]inspectorkido 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          But wouldn't common sense tell you that this would be cheating?

          [–]IndiaSanjay_Manjrekar 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yearly reminder.

          [–]Board of Control for Cricket in Indialolyou22 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          If anyone would know what goes around in the dressing room, it'd be Clarke. Not looking good for Smith and co right now

          [–]Rising Pune SupergiantsReturn-of_the-mack 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You'd expect so but stories of Clarke don't show he was around all too often

          [–]AustraliaCommander_Wario 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It seems like Kohli is on the money in this scenario.

          [–]Kalyanibar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Mark ' Pup Clarke' Rubio - " Let's dispel once and for all with the fiction that Steve Smith doesn't know what he is doing, he knows exactly what he is doing "

          [–]Tasmania TigersNoUseForALagwagon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Regardless of your views on this, can't we all agree that if Gorgeous George and Gentleman Clive were leading the team that this would never happen? What this team lacks is a bit of Tasmanian Class and good looks, that certainly would not go amiss right now. It's time for great Tasmanians like George and Clive as well as Stuart Broad to get the call up for Australia.

          [–]West IndiesSirMehdi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          What stops the batsman from standing his ground and the non-striker looking up at the dressing room as he slowly makes his way down the crease..? Or vice-versa.

          [–]Indiaoffcutter 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The best way to avoid Dressing room controversies for DRS is, do not provide live stream, data to the folks out there in the dressing room. May be provide it with a 1 over delay. They are anyway watching the match Live out there. There was a time when ear piece ploy was banned in cricket, then why allow all possible live feeds to the coaching staff.

          [–]Australiadylang01 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Everyone needs to take a step back and wait for some evidence before continuing this flame war.

          [–]AustraliaElm11 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I mean honestly at least in this thread the discussion's been really level headed and polite. Everyone one agrees Smith did something shitty, everyone seems to agree there could be more to it but it could have been a one-off, and all of us are waiting to see what comes next.

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