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[–]imaprince 642 ポイント643 ポイント  (59子コメント)

OP you turned this into a r/gamingcirclejerk post real fast.

[–]lilJamieEllsworth 250 ポイント251 ポイント  (32子コメント)

This is a controversial opinion, but DAE hate microtransactions?!

/Bracing for downvotes

[–]deepsoulfunk 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Honestly, if other forms of media like movies had microtrasactions people would flip. Like you want me to pay for a ticket AND popcorn AND a soda?

[–]MonsieurAuContraire 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Better yet here's the studio edit of the film (which has been watered down for peak mass appeal), but if you want the director's edition (the way the movie was intended to be seen) pay an extra $6.99.

...oh wait, studios actually do pull such bullshit.

[–]GOpencyprep 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (3子コメント)

yeah he went from zero to retarded shockingly fast

[–]neoaoshineo_aoshi 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (1子コメント)

yeah he went from zero dawn to retarded shockingly fast

ftfy

[–]jdsrockin 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (17子コメント)

I feel like this is like The Witcher 3's "Thank you for the free DLC" posts, which I never understood why people thought that was so revolutionary. If those 16 pieces of DLC were even $1 each, people would be livid. Why are they being thanked for essentially updating their game? While the new quests were good, they could have just been quests they didn't finish on time, and just decided to add later. Now if they had the two DLC expansions be free, then I'd be kissing their feet.

[–]superfudge73 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah but those DLC expansions were so fucking worth every penny.

[–]thegreattober 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I didn't even do all the side missions or 100% them and I still agree

[–]superfudge73 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I did all of them and it took about as long to do the dlc as the main game

[–]Gorakka 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Because those free DLC are what many companies are usually charging for. Squenix is an example of this shitty practice, releasing an hour long side quest for around $15. In W3, they gave it for free, to give people stuff to do until REAL content was completed for them.

And their paid expansion were actually expansions, not just content that was cut from the game at release (practically every big studio is guilty of this). The expansions were completely separate from the main story, and added so much extra gameplay time (for me personally, HoS = 30 extra hours, B&W = 50+ extra hours).

The reason they got so much praise just for doing the right thing, is the vast majority of companies simply don't. It would be great if the gaming industry as a whole did the right thing, but they just don't. So yes, it is sad that we have to praise them, but the fact is their practice is so rare that it should be praised and looked up to, until it is the norm again.

[–]flipdark95 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So as a counter to this you have to admit that CDPR pretty much championing these pieces of DLC as 'free content' is the only reason why they're being praised so much. People were even praising them just for adding a New Game Plus mode into their game... as free DLC.

And that's a weird thing to be praising when Bethesda has done things like add Horse Combat, Re-Speccing skills, expanded killcams, legendary levelling and a few more to Skyrim just through updates. Fallout 4 has had Survival Mode added through updates as well. Would people seriously praise Bethesda for claiming that these were 'free DLC'?

So it seems to me that there is a weird kind of bias towards CDPR here just because they decided to include their 'free DLC' content in a campaign aimed at showing that they apparently weren't like other developers.

[–]Sputniki 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Erm, Squenix did also release the Chocobo Carnival for FFXV which was for free and provided a couple hours of entertainment

[–]Yunzlez [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Why we thank them? Because, unfortunately, it is uncommon to see a little decency from a developer / publisher.

Commending them for their actions is the least you can do, even if what they did should be common practice.

[–]nbagamer 398 ポイント399 ポイント  (22子コメント)

"2017 actually has some hope now..."

Lol. A bit over dramatic don't you think

[–]xCosmit 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of course. Only someone overdramatic like OP would make a post like this.

[–]Freeballa [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When your industry is based around providing entertainment for children and immature adults. Expect high school level drama and criticism.

Even some adult gamers never grow out of their juvenile tendencies and thoughts. You just learn to ignore it and do what you want with your money.

[–]Demundo 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right? I've played a ton of Nioh already and just started Nier Automata today. Both of which I was much more excited for over HZD. Zelda and Yakuza 0 have both just come out also. 5 great games in just over two months is pretty excellent.

[–]Phlash_ 961 ポイント962 ポイント  (224子コメント)

I'm not comfortable moving the goal posts where threads like these are going to be made when a Dev doesn't do shitty things in games, fuck that.

[–]kodran 261 ポイント262 ポイント  (175子コメント)

Well, microtransactions and DLC are not shitty things to do themselves. The shitty thing to do is the implementation. Overwatch is the current most common example of MT done right: they don't change the game experience beyond aesthetical items and even those you can get just by playing.

SWBF is an example of DLC gone plain wrong and isolating the player base: they punish you for not buying it and they punish you for buying it.

So I think congratulating a dev team to make the business call of NOT getting more money is not as bad as you make it sound.

[–]mee0003 108 ポイント109 ポイント  (36子コメント)

IMO, the elder scrolls and fallout games are some of the best examples of DLC done right. New pieces of story unrelated to the main plot, and totally unnecessary to the main game.

[–]Bloodmark3 122 ポイント123 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Witcher 3. Dlc of brand new exciting stories with 15-30+ hours of content.

[–]rake16 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

It has to be longer than that. I just got the game and am 60 hours in and haven't even finished the content in Velen.

[–]truemelioristtruemeliorist 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yup, between Witcher 3 and all of the Dlc I spent bout 250-300 hours on that game.

[–]VSGNotice 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He was saying that each dlc is 15+ hours of content alone.

[–]SeeTreePOgrammerschool 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I would have to agree with you there with the exception if Fallout 4. I'm not saying the game or the dlc was bad. In fact I loved all the story ones. But the other DLC could have basically been mods. In fact some where before the dlc themselves came out.

[–]mee0003 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Ah, have not played Fallout 4, just all elder scrolls and 3/NV.

[–]SeeTreePOgrammerschool 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Yeah there was only 3 story dlc.

1 was short and it involved the Mechanist.

The second was Far Harbour brought some things back like SPECIAL checks.

And the Third being Nuka World it let the people who wanted to be evil a chance.

The rest were all settlement workshops. No story elements except for the vault one which was the best of these.

It felt like just one day your character decided hey let's build cages or something.

[–]paleobeard 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

At least they saw some of the problems with the base game and addressed them. Give me hope for the elder scrolls 6.

[–]its-my-1st-day 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But the other DLC could have basically been mods

If I may use reddit as a source

A significant majority of the sales were on consoles - with no-to-limited mod support.

While I fully accept that playing a bethesda game modded to the hilt on a good PC is the ideal way to go, it's not the way a majority of people are gonna experience it, so IMO the "This DLC should have been a mod" argument is basically irrelevant for a majority of owners of the game...

[–]flipdark95 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

But the other DLC could have basically been mods. In fact some where before the dlc themselves came out.

I'm going to stop you here because this is just nonsense. A modder on their own seriously could not do the work required to make something like Automatron or Vault-Tec Workshop as a mod. Automatron expands the crafting system to include robotic companions, while Vault-Tec Workshop has you actively building a entire vault as a settlement.

Yes, there are mods from earlier games that added robotic companions, but you couldn't modify their parts or upgrade like you could in Automatron. Because all these mods did was basically turn a NPC into a craftable blueprint that you could spawn. Automatron shares only a basic idea.

Same with Vault Tec workshop. I really doubt that a modder could implement all of the features it has without some serious stability or playability issues, simply because they do not have the resources Bethesda has. Maybe bits and pieces, but not to the same level.

The other two workshop DLCs definitely can be achieved through modding, but again it's unlikely that there would be a similar stability or quality to the work.

[–]gibsonsg87gibsonsg87 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

SWBF punishes everyone unless everyone gets the premium version :(

[–]GOpencyprep 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Well, microtransactions and DLC is not a shitty thing to do.

Exactly - MC are not an immediate problem, how their implemented is the (potential) problem

[–]cptspoofy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Like, for instance, in Overwatch and (debatably) R6: Siege, they're totally fine and help fund ongoing development of two games that I will continue to play for free over the next few years.

[–]Defences 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hit the nail on the head.

[–]GamerStance 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (89子コメント)

True, but overwatch is also rng based micro transactions, which is shitty in its own right.

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (84子コメント)

No, not really. It's literally just cosmetics.

[–]fourthlionfourthlion 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (60子コメント)

But if you really want one of those cosmetics you can't just go buy it. You have to buy silly RNG packs (and yeah I know you can craft if you sell stuff). It's very much exploiting a certain type of addictive personality. Just because they've gone cosmetic only doesn't really take away that gambling hook for people weak to that stuff.

[–]FLFisherman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You actually can just buy cosmetics. Gold is found in loot boxes, which can be used to outright buy skins and other things.

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (56子コメント)

Learn some self control. It's a video game.

[–]fourthlionfourthlion 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (30子コメント)

Just because you and I have self control doesn't make it any less shitty a business practice for the people it exploits.

[–]cptspoofy 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (8子コメント)

and how are you enjoying paying $0 for all future maps, characters, game modes, and QOL improvements to an already great game?

[–]Alexwolf117 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Uh I already paid 60 dollars for a game that had no where near 60 dollars worth of content. The bigguest issue is not being able to get specific skins you want though and there is tons of ways to fix it, like allowing players to sell and trade on a market place like steam with cs:go and dota, or allowing people to buy currency to purchase skins, of even allowing you to break down skins into coins that you get out of boxes

[–]cptspoofy [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Players can buy skins with gold that they get out of boxes. Dupes are converted to gold. It remains to be seen if event skins from last year will show up during events this year, but I think there's a good shot.

Overwatch is good because it's fun competitive multiplayer shooter. You didn't spend $40-60 on a random cosmetic drop simulator.

[–]CuntBooger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You seem like the type of guy to spend his living wage on crates and keys so I don't doubt you're upset with their damn near flawless FREE crate system.

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (20子コメント)

It's not video game developers responsibilities to teach you basic human behaviors. It's parents'.

[–]Brickshit 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (19子コメント)

He is not implying it is... he is saying that micro transactions like that are specifically designed to be addictive. Like gambling. And the discussion about the addictive qualities and morality of gambling isn't going to be sorted out in a comment chain on reddit lol.

[–]ubern00by 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yes. Kids play that shit. Are you actually telling a bunch of irresponsible kids "just learn some self control"

[–]kivatbatV 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (14子コメント)

The system is in place specifically for people who they can either groom or who are already in a state where they will buy.

These systems should not be in these games. The more we accept them, ultimately, the worse it will be.

[–]X-Myrlz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yeah, it's gambling. Worse than that it's gambling that is accessible to children who don't know any better. You should expect an adult to stop themselves from spending more money than they should on RNG microtransactions but you can't expect the same from a 14 year old who doesn't understand the consequences.

[–]Bo_Rebel 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

At 14 I knew not to gamble. Or mess with my moms credit card. If 14 is now an excusable age.... then damn Idk what to think.

[–]EpsilonXEpsilonX2008 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you need to give more credit to 14 year olds.

[–]DaniSenpai 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

And this is the biggest point, unlike other RNG-based micro transactions, these are completely optional and do not influence the experience in any way.

To take another Blizzard game as an example (but any TCG could apply), in Heartstone the micro transactions not only are RNG based, but they also determine, to a certain degree, your performance and enjoyment of the game, since you're never going to be able to experience a certain deck or a certain play style unless you put down the money to get those packs and hope to get the correct cards.

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The game is free to play. Doesn't really make any sense to compare it.

[–]PolygonMan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So is DOTA 2 and Path of Exile. It's a perfectly fair comparison.

[–]Shadow_XGsiren_shadows 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And those games mostly aren't criticized for it.... Most people wouldn't be able to play it if it wasn't free.

[–]PolygonMan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The point is that both DOTA 2 and PoE allow you to have a full experience of the game without paying money, something Hearthstone does not do.

[–]EpsilonXEpsilonX2008 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's literally a digital version of a card game. Are Yu-Gi-Oh packs supposed to be free now too?

[–]hexsketch 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

makes perfect sense to compare it really, its a competitive experience of person vs person, because the cards have impact on the actual experience, it can be argued that unless you spend more money you wont be able to experience winning consistently.

Both are free to play, but everyone in overwatch are simply seperated by skill/experience, where in Hearthstone its a combination of skill, and content, that separates players.

often leading to thoughts of unfairness and what not.

[–]LordofWhalez 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Almost like a real card game! Imagine that

[–]Von_Zeppelin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

But you still have a chance at those items through the same RNG just from playing the game. Let's take one of my favorite games that was ruined by absolute shitty money hungry micro-transactions....Destiny. There is literally items that you can only get from spending real money for...oh and these items are behind the most insulting RNG odds I've ever seen. You can literally open up one the RNG boxes and only get consumables and/or a duplicate(possibly with a shittier stat roll) of an item you already have.

[–]imariaprime 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But it's the unfortunate reality. So if we can't reasonably punish the transgressors (there's clearly always many who will buy their games and pay for their DLC), we need to do the second best thing: praise those who don't. Ensure they succeed enough that their investors don't have the leverage to demand that they fill their games with microtransaction garbage.

[–]Von_Zeppelin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sad, but true. It won't stop until they are forced to stop. Unfortunately that won't happen until legislature comes down on them hard. And given how these companies are not only practicing proven tactics to prey on gambling habits, they sometimes hire professionals to be more effective at it. I'd imagine it will happen in time.

[–]Santana_in_left 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (20子コメント)

I don't like the implication that DLC and microtransactions are inherently shitty things to do. I'd love to see a little more nuance in these kinds of discussions.

Most people who hate microtransactions seem to hate the "pay-to-win" model which, honestly, where does that show up outside of mobile games these days? I feel like it's a bit of a straw man at this point.

[–]Phlash_ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

THey aren't all bad, you are right, but it's rare to see them done right, you'll see a thread on this sub everytime it happens because that's how far gone the implementation of them has come. Selling better weapons in DLC crates in Cod, that you can earn and I give credit to that, but are much easier acquired via real money. Or games which already cost a lot of money to purchase locking things behind crates, even if you can earn them in game( Overwatch, MWR, etc) .

I agree it doesn't creep up in too many games( pay-to-win that is) but a lot of games don't let you earn unlocks anymore they let you pay for them or grind ad nauseum.

[–]jon_snow_jones 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Sports games and their fantasy team modes.

Ever played 2K?

[–]Santana_in_left 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, and MLB does this too. I don't love it, but it's also an optional mode I don't have to play.

I'm not really into sports games though, so I guess I can see how it would get frustrating for hardorce fans.

[–]jon_snow_jones 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Optional modes have a fine line. My main problem with the implementation of microtransactions is when regular gameplay is designed to be a bigger grind in order for you to be tempted to buy virtual money.

[–]heinous_anus- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fuuuuck VC. Where the fuck is 2k even spending the money they get from that shit? The servers are still ass.

[–]jon_snow_jones 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Where the fuck is 2k even spending the money they get from that shit

If I had to guess? They spend heavy on marketing.

Servers this year were worse. 2k16 had a better online experience if you ask me.

[–]heinous_anus- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Which sucks cause I had never really bothered with the myPark stuff until this year, usually just played offline with friends. But there is so much potential there, when you can get a good game going it's a ton of fun.

[–]jon_snow_jones 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm a MyTeam player, and while I enjoyed last year's RTTP and collecting cards, this year was a disappointment. The lag online is too much for me. Too bad though, this year's RTTP looks good.

[–]jdm0 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've played Madden, NBA2k, and The Show 'fantasy modes' and they do end up working out a little different though even though their implementation is similar. I didn't play these ultimate team modes more than franchise modes or anything but I put enough time into them to have decent teams.

From my experience, 2K and Madden have a much bigger gap between top teams and lesser teams. If you had silver or even gold cards it put you at a gigantic disadvantage (especially in Madden). This made it much more difficult to compete in PVP if you weren't willing to buy packs.

In The Show I was much more confident going up an obviously paid-for team when I had lesser players because having better players didn't translate as directly into wins.

I don't know that we should necessarily applaud The Show for this since the implementation was basically the same (other than no contracts), but it did make the game mode a lot more fun and worthwhile to play if you weren't going to buy packs at all.

It also seemed like it was easier to get better players without paying, but that could just be because I played it more. I paid for a few packs in The Show 15 and ended up with all diamonds, but I didn't pay for any in 16 and still had an all diamond team by the end, it just took a little longer and honestly I was just as happy and almost as good when I was playing with golds.

I'm not sure what my point is other than sometimes the gameplay can make a pay-to-win game a lot more fun for people that don't want to pay even when the implementation is the same as games that feel worse.

[–]Santana_in_left 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Huh, that's interesting. Makes sense to me that it can be a fine line depending on how "grindy" the game or mode is. Thanks for writing that up!

[–]oryes 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yea exactly this should be standard, this is like congratulating someone for not being an asshole

[–]chidoSer 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (6子コメント)

is microtransactions the new preorder meme?

[–]CoryFromBHMS [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

When being an asshole is the standard you kinda have to prop up the non assholes for doing what should be standard. It's the only way to change the standard

[–]Lovlace_Valentino 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The gamer mantra: ignore the good and rage at the bad

[–]uniquecannon 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I blame y'all for buying all that crap and bolstering the market.

[–]1000Horatio 111 ポイント112 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I wouldn't go as far as congratulations. . .imo these things should be the standard. But given today's gaming industry. . .a token of appreciation I suppose.

[–]ChappellShow96 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Half-sun!

[–]hellteacherloki 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You gave him half-sun on his first try?!

[–]Pro_Olaf 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What IS, and what SHOULD be is nowhere near the same thing. So its a congratulations :)

[–]GunzGoPew 270 ポイント271 ポイント  (136子コメント)

I think big games with Microtransactions aren't that common.

I recently got the platinum in Watch Dogs 2. For all the shit people give Ubisoft (you even mention them in this thread lol), there was nothing like that in the game. I guess some DLC for it came out a couple of weeks ago, but that's fine, it's just DLC.

[–]wohlstandPlzSPAMme 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Also dont forget their games usually have online modes to play with your friends and/or randoms, that costs a lot of money to develop those too so I am not sure it would be better if they ditched all online modes and worked harder on "fixing all bugs", its completely blown out of proportion I cant remember ever having an unplayable game. Tons of unfun games tho by all kinds of developers.

[–]WolfofST 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I think the biggest Ubisoft complaint is that they release formulaic shells of games. The concepts and surface features are usually really cool but UBisoft games get boring so fucking fast because they have no depth. Obviously there are a couple exceptions but Assassins Creed, Far Cry, the division, watch dogs, prince of Persia, and the Tom Clancy games all have that problem.

[–]ubern00by 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They seem to re-use previous games and re-skin them. Tom Clancy's Wasteland is extreme levels of bugged right now, and every Ubi game is plagued with bugs on release.

Ubisoft games are made to draw people in with a nice looking beginning, and then they just re-use the same mobs a few hundred times over again, and re-using the same type of base a bunch of times over te make the player grind their ways through the "storyline" and get them their "playtime".

Pretty much every cool thing is done in the beginning of the game, so it looks nice in trailers and people's early playthroughs.

[–]Xcaliburknight7 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Couldn't have said it better

[–]MadKingArty 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're just churning games out of the woodwork just to keep their market entertained that they're Ubisoft is what I feel during the previous years.

[–]Gorakka 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm so interested in that new space/sci-fi ip they teased in WD2, as I would love to play that kind of game from them.

But I'm equally interested to see how they will Britta it by once again sticking to the Ubi formula.

[–]Off-ice 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ah yes, Micro transactions are now to DLC as what DLC is to expansions. They all have a place in gaming but where they are used is the key.

[–]Lekti 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I like ubisofts current method of just releasing mostly cosmetic non game breaking "dlc" and then a storey add-on here and there. In fact I think Activision did the same thing with destiny and I thought that was fine too.

[–]ARandomFakeName 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree Ubisoft has a mostly good DLC model but I have to disagree with Destiny. It was an incomplete game at launch and needed DLC to fix that. I stopped playing once I started to have to buy $40 expansions. If you don't continue to buy the DLC in Destiny you're completely left behind and in some cases locked out of previously open content. Now I completely understand the need for funds for development but I don't think their model is particularly consumer friendly. Now if they made the story content DLC free (or substantially cheaper) and made money from cosmetic micro transactions, I think they could maintain a larger player base. Just my thoughts

[–]Idiotology101 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know what, FUCK DESTINY. I absolutely wanted to love that game. I followed it for years, beginning at the first logo release. I bought it day one and bought the $35 expansion pass. Only to find out that later I would be expected to drop another $40 or they would fuck me out of the game I already bought. Then they want another $40. I am $95 into this game and I don't even own half of it. I will never pay for another bungie game after this.

[–]sasstomouth 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I first experienced Bungie locking players out of previously available content back in Halo 3 when I didn't buy the dlc for that game 10 years ago. Swore I would never buy another Bungie product because of it. Good to know they're still up to the same old tricks.

[–]Xcaliburknight7 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (72子コメント)

Have you played For Honor, Syndicate or steep aren't these big games made by ubisoft... come on wd2 has a tonne of add-ons from clothing to skins(which to me are really overpriced) that should've been free in game but they want to milk every single dollar or euro from their games. I personally dislike ubisoft but that's MO ... HzD is really good but let's give it a while and see how the devs will handle their dlcs and pricing

[–]the_nutless_squirrel 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Steep has a season pass but that's it. Nothing is hidden behind a paywall and they just added a full mountain as free dlc. You can give Ubisoft crap, but Steep is an exceptional game and doesn't fit the story here.

[–]Vilens40Vilens 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This is trash post. We are not judging Watch Dogs 2 here and I played Syndicate and WD2 at length. In no way were the micro-transactions game-breaking, immersion-breaking, or intrusive. Additionally, the DLC for Syndicate is fun. Stop with these Witch Hunts towards Ubisoft, they've fixeed a lot since Unity came out and in no way is WD2 what you're describing.

[–]GunzGoPew 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (42子コメント)

I haven't played For Honor. I downloaded the beta then forgot about it. I haven't played Syndicate because I dislike AC and I forgot that Steep even came out to be honest.

Watch Dogs 2 only has 1 DLC pack as far as I know and that contains 4 or 5 missions.

If they sell a pack of skins or clothing, it's not something you need. It doesn't count towards any trophies and it has no impact on the story. So who cares?

[–]Admiral_Sjo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You can buy anything in for honor with in game currency that really isn't that hard to get.

[–]MagisterHaseo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do micro transactions matter that much if it's purely cosmetic? Like the stuff in syndicate is wild, and for honor with the steel pack isn't the finest way to do it, but skins? Unless they offer a gameplay advantage than I don't see a problem with them. It something cosmetic is overpriced, then so be it. It's not n Cesar for the core experience of the game.

[–]bongo1138boardbrtn 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I saw an interview with Adam Boyes today and he talked about microtransactions and compared it to going to a concert. You pay to get into a concert, maybe $50 or so and then when you're there you can buy a t shirt or a CD or both. I think that's a fair analogy, and I've never heard someone complain about having to pay for a t shirt at a concert...

[–]Delta-Sniperdelta-sniper- 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

but you do hear people complaining about buying beer because it's $14 a cup.

[–]danudeydanudey 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't see any problem with charging for cosmetics. If they weren't making money off them they wouldn't make nearly as many of them in the first place. If you don't want to pay the cash you don't have to but you're not missing out on anything if you do.

People have been complaining that the DLC in The Division doesn't expand the story, too, but imagine the uproar if they did. "Pay $30 for the season pass to get the rest of the story!" There would be a revolt, and rightly so, but if they did it people would pay and they'd make a bunch of money.

[–]iwearadiaper 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Though in for honor everything can be unlocked by playing it.

[–]fasehed 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I personally feel watch dogs 2 was ubis best game.

[–]tawndy 127 ポイント128 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Let's all suck each other's dicks

[–]Jon76 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

WHAT?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU, OP IS JERKING ME OFF TOO FAST!

[–]SUPERKTAT5 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (3子コメント)

2017 actually has some hope now...

You can't base one company's actions on the entire industry

[–]ThaNorth 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (36子コメント)

Plenty of games come out finished with no micro transactions needed. Stop focusing on the ones that do.

[–]TorontoGameDevs 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (20子コメント)

TBH I wish there was DLC - I want more content.

[–]RockGottiRockGotti 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

There will be, I just hope we get details soon

In the past I have loved Fallout 4 & Titanfall 2.. I got bored of both before any DLC was released and never went back to them. Hope this isnt the case with HZD

[–]TorontoGameDevs 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Where did they say dlc is coming? No season pass available for the game.

[–]plerpy_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Doesn't mean there's no expansions coming.

Mass Effect Andromeda (or any mass effect for that matter) doesn't have a season pass and there'll be post release content for that.

[–]TorontoGameDevs 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yea but they've announced it, I didn't see anything for Horizon

[–]plerpy_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe because there's nothing to announce yet. Maybe now that the game is out to rave reviews they might get something together. Who knows.

If they're in a maybe/maybe not mindset it would be stupid to make a season pass yes?

[–]-GWM- 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also maybe there's not gonna be DLC?

I'd be perfectly fine with that. I've gotten my enjoyment out of the game, still am, and completely a-okay with just how it is.

[–]mcdrew88 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't think of a single game that I wasn't bored of before the DLC came out. That didn't stop me from going back to them when the DLC came out and reviving my interest.

[–]indeepth0ught 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

TBH I wish the company just worked on the next game and making it better instead of drip-feeding content for the old game, engine, assets, etc.

[–]TorontoGameDevs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I would feel that way if it didn't take 3-4 years to make a new game.

[–]indeepth0ught 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well it's a good thing we live at a time with a tremendous variety of games out there...

Seriously, I don't have the time to play all the games I want, and I'm super picky too.

[–]HColossus 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Microtransactions usually happen in a MP focused game, and most of the times they are meh...

Just look at the microtransactions on RE7, they don't make a goddamn diffrence

[–]LiddleJmanLiddleJman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

and in Overwatch. Literally makes no difference in your ability to win or lose a game.

[–]dazzlerJJDDazzler619 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (15子コメント)

A developer releasing a PS4 game with no micro transactions is something to be praised? I played Gravity Rush 2, no micro transactions to be seen. Same for Last Guardian. I guess Uncharted 4 has them in the multiplayer but if you played it purely as a single player game, there are none. Are there really more games with micro transactions than don't have them? I haven't encountered any.

DLC on the other hand, I don't mind. Left Behind was DLC for The Last of Us and it was amazing. It wasn't neccessary either. You could still enjoy the main story without it. If I don't think it enhances the game, like a skin or something else cosmetic, I don't buy it.

[–]jdsrockin 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

With The Last of Us's multiplayer, it technically had microtransactions with the overpowered weapons that you can only buy. It's one of my favorite games of all time, but that rubbed me the wrong way.

[–]ChokingzombieDoctoR__ZombiE 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I totally agree. I hopped on factions a few days ago and was getting molested by guns I had never even seen (it's been a few years) and when I went to go look I noticed I could only get them with real money. It kinda turned me away from the MP (that, and the fact that almost everyone is level 300+, with the majority of late night players being 700+)

I think they learned though, because IMO the UC4 guns being unlockable through boxes you can buy with in-game currency seems much more fair. On a side note- I think the boxes in UC4 were done well, sure I would rather they just give everything to me for free, but they need to earn money too! If you don't want to pay the cash, save up points and buy the boxes and pray to the RNG gods! And no duplicates is also something that I loved about the UC4 boxes.

[–]OutFromUndrTMIB311 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't see the difference between offering armor/weapons in a "Special Edition" or "Pre Order Bonus" compared to offering straight micro-transactions.

I guess it's nice that they aren't doing both.

[–]indrionGoldlyons 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

With that mentioned and appreciated, how do you feel about Witcher's DLC? If something like that was announced for Horizon I really wouldn't be upset at all.

[–]CaptainSharpe 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Hitman 2016 also gives you a full complete experience.

So does Uncharted 4.

Also as far as I know so does Zelda.

So did Doom 2016.

There were heaps of games that don't have necessary DLC and microtransactions.

Fuck off with the Zero Dawn circle jerk.

[–]DeadAmongUsX 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

We're congratulating companies for not including microtransactions in a single-player game? Pathetic

[–]Esham 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My thoughts exactly. Not really pathetic per say but in SP games it's more common.

Then again gaming today is about multiplayer so in a sea of turds a fart bubble sticks out.

[–]darkultima 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This post seems douchey, is every game now going to be praised whether or not they use microtransactions?

[–]pulseout 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can we all just commend the developer of Big Rigs Over the Road Racing on not having any microtransactions or day-1 dlc.

Those things would have absolutely ruined and taken away from the amazing storyline

[–]swipe_ 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like they have all the money, resources and free marketing that other studios would kill for or something.

[–]GOpencyprep 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Wow, other than OP being arguably retarded based on his posts in this thread – lets not do that dumb thing where we start shitting on microtransactions (MC) and DLC because it’s the cool thing to do. As gamers we need to realize that MC and DLC are not an inherently bad thing (it’s literally MORE stuff for a game you already enjoy), but that their IMPLEMENTATION can be a bad thing. If a company cuts content to resale piecemeal later, or makes pay-to-win stuff available, etc – THAT is bad.

But lets look at Titanfall 2 for example, all of the extra content in that game that actually AFFECTS the game (new maps, new weapons, etc) is free. You know how they pay for that (because companies still have to keep the lights on and pay their employees)? It's not off the $60 bucks you spent on the game initially - it's via microtransactions and paid DLC, it just so happens that in TF everything you can buy is purely cosmetic (new skins for weapons, new models for titans, etc) and THAT is how a company can afford to pay for the stuff that affects the game – and there’s nothing wrong with that. We need to realize that MC and DLC, when implemented correctly, is a good thing – it pays for more stuff we enjoy. Same with Rocket League – Psyonix drops awesome and substantial content for that game regularly and it’s all totally free. They charge for cars and for loot box keys – all of which is totally cosmetic.

As gamers it’s THAT kind of behavior we should be rewarding and voting for with our wallets. I don’t normally buy cosmetic stuff for games, I consider it a waste. But you better believe that I paid for some for TF2 and Rocket League because those companies are doing it right, and the industry should be encouraged to follow in their example – I wish DICE would catch that memo, and quit sub-dividing and compartmentalizing their playerbase with each subsequent DLC.

[–]NerdSkullz 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (9子コメント)

what's the point of micro-transactions in a single player game?

[–]HColossus 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That's like buying a car but having to pay for someone else to drive it for ya

[–]vslifecanmig 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You mean like a chauffeur?

[–]HColossus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but I imagined that as a driving addict, so apologize

[–]SrsSteel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Someone make a site where we give tokens of appreciation to developers and tokens of meanness to them as well

[–]Doomgrin75 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And when you get to the end of the game, you will either cry when its over, or you will cry when they charge for an expansion.

[–]FizjigFizjig [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Just some minor observations about the comments in this thread.

I'm reading a lot of shit talking from people who don't even own a PS4... In the PS4 sub. WTF.

If you don't like Horizon: ZD don't play it. That seems like a perfectly good solution instead of talking shit about the people who do enjoy it.

Why the fuck are people suddenly defending micro transactions? All I heard from gamers for years is how much they hate micro transactions. Now all of the sudden they are popular? Give me a fucking break.

A lot of people in this thread seem super sensitive and pissed off that OP made this thread. Jesus Christ. First world problems.

[–]Soarinace 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I mean theres still plenty of time for them to add some...

[–]JudgeJBSjibs5869 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't think this really warrants a congrats

[–]docwoj 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

You might as well commend someone for drinking a glass of water. This is supposed to be the standard.

[–]MojoPinnacle 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

DAE EA ubishit

[–]indeepth0ught 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah I'm one of those. Fuck them, I haven't played a good game by either of those shitty developers for a long time and if you just look at all the top games for PS4 this year you'll see that a lot of people would agree.

Go ahead and make fun of the "circlejerk". I'm just happy I made my point.

[–]caretotry_theseagain 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What the fuck, since when do you congratulate someone for a finished product. It's like congratulating home depot for selling screwdrivers with a handle

[–]Cormick 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know the bar is low for modern games when not being a pile of shit is something to be praised.

[–]klima111 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

do they really need congratulations for that? Just shun all the shitty developers who do otherwhise and we're good.

[–]wohlstandPlzSPAMme 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I dont understand why this gets upvoted so much. Do you want to see more single player only games that lack all online modes and perfectionism that kills all creativity? And as long as people pay for online things as PS+ and GTA Online shark cards, you will see content for it. Its mostly perfectly optional, I never purchased any "Points" and dont plan to, yet I do prefer a game with tons of gameplay options for friends & me (so online modes) even if there is some bugs, so what?

[–]crazy4finalfantasyjigsawsapprentic 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Do you want to see more single player only games that lack all online modes.

Yup sure do! Fuck multiplayer.

[–]losturtle1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's unbelievable the stupid filters people put games through to find things to commend or criticise. People are so generalised and simplified in their attitude and understanding towards everything that it's almost laughable how dramatic people are over stupid shit like this. I guarantee with the way this is going, we aren't going to even bother distinguishing between main story dlc and just plain old dlc or expansions. I remember Asura's Wrath held main story content behind dlc and it's how mmos expand their experiences, what other big games have held main story behind dlc? Not new character stuff or alternate perspectives on events but actually hiding the main story behind dlc.

How do people think they can even determine what should be in the main game? Some people in this thread throw out the "it should have been in the main game" but much less eloquently and with no reasoning or implication of even understanding the issue besides wanting more. I'm convinced that this can be a conversation when the people arguing about it actually have a basic and considered grasp of the issue. It seems most people see that others don't like it and just arbitrarily shit on all dlc without prejudice spouting consistent inaccuracies. This is where the "awareness" approach to issues fails. Simplify a message and you'll get an ignorant response.

[–]Ikea_Man 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I like how we have to commend developers for doing this.

We've fallen so far

[–]DrMantisTaboggn 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Congratulations on a crappy circlejerk post that adds literally nothing of value to this sub. Are some of you capable of having an original thought? Or do you guys just hate whatever the internet tells you to?

[–]Esham 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

meh, its a single player game. Fairly common in the end.

[–]fenixicon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think its funny people take themselves seriously on the internet.

[–]Kawaii_Deshou 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Killzone weapon pack DLC and skins coming soon!

[–]fapping_smurf 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This post in itself is completely useless, idk why you people are getting mad at OP when you upvoted this garbage

[–]Subliminal19 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's a really sad state of affairs when we as consumers have to congratulate studios and publishers for not having anti-consumer practices. People talk about how much they hate DLC and paywalls but then pre-order EA or Ubisoft's next big game. Vote with your wallets.

[–]drummerjc5drummerjc5 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

You know there was a time where you bought a game and thats what you got. If you wanted extra content, you had to pay for it. What happened that now everybody just expects these developers to make stuff and give it away for free? Believe it or not but they arent just making these games for the love of games. It's their job. It's great when a developer makes something and makes the decision to give it away for free but we need to get away from this idea that anybody that ever charges for anything are evil and greedy. If somebody makes something, they have every right to decide to charge for it or not just like the consumer has every right to decide on whether or not what they're selling is worth the money or not.

[–]CilantroAssassin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is great and we need to stop and appreciate it. Oh and buy the shit out of this game.

[–]AeneaGamesAeneaZiggo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Next week they will announce multiplayer DLC filled to the brim with microtransactions! :D

Seriously tho I do hope they make some excellent DLC for it! Want to explore more after I finished it!

[–]Eggyhead 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not looking forward to buying all future DLC individually, though. I'd have rather had a bundled pass up front, to be honest. I don't like revisiting my credit card.

[–]Why_the_hate_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know what though? I really want dlc. Witcher like dlc. Otherwise no, of course. I hope they make a second game to expand on the ending at least.

[–]CrossBones3129I_CrossBones_I 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are main missions different each time? Or similar structure? I have it bought and on the way.

Coming from Xbox I made a vow to try any Playstation exclusive games. So far they've been always good. Just singleplayer only games usually get shelved after I beat the story.

[–]novusprime28 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (24子コメント)

what micro transactions could even be made for a game like this?

[–]baseball2224 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well this game doesn't even have online right? It shouldn't have microtransactions anyways.

[–]UpSiize 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do single player games ever have microtransactions?

[–]NoBulletNoBullet 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What's to say they can't release some later? Rocket league didn't think they'd be making a shit ton of dlc until it became popular.

[–]slaur[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the entire industry is proud of them and is currently praising them. Let's hope it doesn't get to their heads!

[–]YellowGameboyColor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just noticed that as well. This really is the first game that didn't have announced DLC right after launch! Amazing! AND it's a great game

[–]ilazul 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not even Nintendo is safe

[–]CosmicDriftwood 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This should be the standard!

[–]rockstang 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

God this alone makes me want to buy the game.

[–]mickyter__12 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Microtransactions normally happen in a state where they aren't movies though.